tommie harris is going pro [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

HornedFrog Purple

01-09-2004, 02:45 PM

I am going to guess he will put up some outstanding numbers at the combine and go somewhere in the first 8 picks.

I don't know where Brandon Kennedy is projected, but whoever gets him is getting a pure stud. Unblockable in college. He is listed at 5'11 but that is being generous. I would take him over Tommie Harris in a heartbeat as a DT for my team.

Huckleberry

01-09-2004, 02:47 PM

Brandon Kennedy was the best DT in the Big XII region this year. Maybe the past two years, although last year Marcus Tubbs of Texas performed much better than he did this season. Last year the top two were Kennedy and Tubbs. This year, IMO, the best two were Kennedy and Dvoracek.

scooper

01-09-2004, 02:59 PM

Shhhhhhh. Quit talking about Booger Kennedy. I'm really hoping he quietly makes his way to the 4th round or so at which point I hire some tech-nerd (I'm sure someone here can do it for me) to patch into the Bengals' phone lines and call that pick into the NFL.

JeeberD

01-09-2004, 03:06 PM

Booger!!!

The Cowboys need to nab him and stick him next to Glover...

Franklinnoble

01-09-2004, 03:24 PM

The Redskins need DL help... ;)

albionmoonlight

01-09-2004, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by JeeberD
Booger!!!

The Cowboys need to nab him and stick him next to Glover...

Sigh. . .Glover could still be a Saint if management hadn't decided that putting two unathletic fat guys on the D-line was better than having a guy who could get double digit sacks from the defensive tackle position.

I say again . . .Sigh . . .

JeeberD

01-09-2004, 03:30 PM

GRRRRR.....

You keep your evil Redskins away from my UNT boy...

Franklinnoble

01-09-2004, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by JeeberD
GRRRRR.....

You keep your evil Redskins away from my UNT boy...

Eh... Joe Gibbs is in charge. He'll probably trade down for a bunch of late picks that you never heard of but will end up being all-pro's in 3-5 years.

JeeberD

01-09-2004, 03:34 PM

Ehh...the only eye for talent that Gibbs has now is whether or not a guy has a lead foot... ;)

TroyF

01-09-2004, 03:36 PM

Harris will have a good combine and he'll be drafted in the first 8-10 picks of the draft. If he slides at all, I can't see it being out of the first round.

The hype machine, combined with his raw numbers and his flashes (which he did show at OU) are going to be more than enough to keep him at the top of some teams draft board.

Maybe the Jets will draft him and combine him with their other overrated DT.

mckerney

01-09-2004, 04:32 PM

Harris made a mistake. He'll be drafted in the first round, though not in the first 15 picks. He has great athletic abilities and potential, though his disappointing performance this year will shy many teams away from going after him too early. His physical ability and talent won't let him slide out of the first round though.

If he had stayed at OU another year he'd just have to have a good year next year and he'd be a top 5 pick.

The Afoci

01-09-2004, 04:48 PM

I hope the Vikings get him. They could really use another DLine man. I would prefer and outside one, but Williams can play outside. Harris, Hovan and Williams would be nice.

FargoFreez aka fof playa

01-09-2004, 04:50 PM

*shhh*

Noop

01-09-2004, 04:53 PM

Well I would just like to add P.K. Sam is going pro also. I think its a bad choice but thats his life...oh well...

mckerney

01-09-2004, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by The Afoci
I hope the Vikings get him. They could really use another DLine man. I would prefer and outside one, but Williams can play outside. Harris, Hovan and Williams would be nice.

He's not the defensive tackle I'd like the Vikings to pick up if they were to go that route. He's pretty much a guy in a similar mold to Hovan, though he does have better athletic ability. And yes, Williams can play outside, but he proved much more disruptive when playing as a tackle. If the Vikings were to add another defensive lineman they'd be best to go after a pass rushing end or a big nose tackle to replace Fred Robbins. It'd doubtful that David Pollack or Will Smith will fall for defensive ends, and there doesn't appear yet to be a great prospect at the end position. Same with nose tackle, which may be a better position to fill during free agency or later in the draft.

The Vikings could pick up a decent defenive lineman at their pick and it wouldn't be a bad position, though there are a number of quality corners such as DeAngelo Hall, Marlin Jackson, Derrick Strait that could be available when they pick, plus this years draft has one of the best linebacking corps in quite a while, which is not a need pick but a play making linebacker could help the defense.

I could also see Tice going after an offensive tackle, with right tackle being a huge weakness this season.

The Afoci

01-09-2004, 05:07 PM

Mckerney, I agree that I would like to see a CB or LB, but from everything Tice says, he will only draft lineman in the first round. I hope that will change.

SplitPersonality1

01-09-2004, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by General Mike
I say #1 overall pick

Originally posted by Shorty3281
undrafted

Hmmm. You are both wrong. My best guess is that he falls somewhere between these two. Just a guess.

The_herd

01-09-2004, 07:19 PM

Tommie Harris is interesting. If you don't double him then he gets in the backfield and can wreck some plays, if you do double him, he doesn't make a much of an impact in a game and you rarely hear his name called. He's also a bit undersized for a NFL DT, and as many have pointed out, he seems to lack the competitive fire to be a force at the next level. He's a player I wouldn't touch if I was picking in the top 15, after that he might be worth the bargin, but I'm sure he'll be gone within the 1st 10 picks. With that being said, the Bears are sure to draft him and he will be the next Gerard Warren.

judicial clerk

01-09-2004, 07:28 PM

I thought the Vikings had Dimitrius Underwood to bolster their d-line?

The_herd

01-09-2004, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by judicial clerk
I thought the Vikings had Dimitrius Underwood to bolster their d-line?

He wasn't the same player on Prozac.

mckerney

01-09-2004, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by The Afoci
Mckerney, I agree that I would like to see a CB or LB, but from everything Tice says, he will only draft lineman in the first round. I hope that will change.

If he does go for a lineman in the first round, I'd hope that it's either an offensive tackle or a pass rushing defensive end. I don't think Harris would be a good fit with the Vikings defensive front.

Huckleberry

01-10-2004, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by The_herd
Tommie Harris is interesting. If you don't double him then he gets in the backfield and can wreck some plays...

What do you base this statement on? Tommie Harris was good for 2 plays a game in college. He would occasionally beat a single blocker with speed but used that advantage more often than not to do nothing but run himself out of the play. A great talent, no doubt, but I wouldn't think of drafting him until the second round.

Not only that, but he really wasn't doubled very often at all. Nothing more than a standard percentage of plays for a DT in a 4-3 defense, and less than many.

The_herd

01-10-2004, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Huckleberry
What do you base this statement on? Tommie Harris was good for 2 plays a game in college. He would occasionally beat a single blocker with speed but used that advantage more often than not to do nothing but run himself out of the play. A great talent, no doubt, but I wouldn't think of drafting him until the second round.

Not only that, but he really wasn't doubled very often at all. Nothing more than a standard percentage of plays for a DT in a 4-3 defense, and less than many.

The games in which Harris gave opponents trouble were games in which he wasn't double teamed and seemed motivated. He made plays in the backfield and showed flashes of greatnes. When opponents bothered to double him, he was a non-factor.

I don't think he's a special football player, but some of the people here have the idea that the kid sucks and won't go in the 1st 15 to 20 picks. A DT with his tools will not last long in the draft, when motivated Harris can be a dominate player on any level. You can read 2 words into some of the posts about Harris and see the bias.

ISiddiqui

01-11-2004, 10:57 AM

'When motivated'.. So if he isn't drafted by a hard-ass football coach, do you think he'll stagnate? Just curious (not being snarky or anything)

The_herd

01-11-2004, 11:04 AM

'When motivated'.. So if he isn't drafted by a hard-ass football coach, do you think he'll stagnate? Just curious (not being snarky or anything)

Its hard to tell what he'll do in the NFL. John Henderson was hyped almost the same way while at Tennessee and spent most of his career going through the motions there, unless pissed off, then he played like an All-American. He still managed to go 9th overall in the draft and has been a very solid player for Jacksonville.

Harris could be out of the league by the time his 1st contract expires, or be a perennial pro-bowler. Sometimes it takes a bit of maturity. But I can guarantee you that he doesn't get past #15 in the draft.

Cringer

01-11-2004, 11:41 AM

Sigh. . .Glover could still be a Saint if management hadn't decided that putting two unathletic fat guys on the D-line was better than having a guy who could get double digit sacks from the defensive tackle position.

I say again . . .Sigh . . .

Was Grady Jackson one of those fat guys? Because tell the Saints thanks for me, he sure helped us in GB.......
........and i love seeing him stand next to Gilbert Brown! :D

Vegas Vic

02-18-2004, 02:35 PM

While I aways respect IMTG's expert analysis of NFL draft prospects, I couldn't help but notice this quote preceding the upcoming combine.

"He's very strong and will test out well, most likely,” a scout said. “He is very disruptive. Didn't have a lot of stats but in the NFL he won't be double and triple teamed all the time. OU's defensive scheme funnels everything to the linebackers, anyway."

IMetTrentGreen

02-18-2004, 03:49 PM

im sure he'll test well and im sure he'll go high

and im sure he'll be micheal myers 2

tucker342

02-18-2004, 03:57 PM

Hmmm. You are both wrong. My best guess is that he falls somewhere between these two. Just a guess.

WHAT?!?!?! Are you serious?;)

IMetTrentGreen

02-27-2004, 02:28 PM

nfldraft.theinsiders.com/2/200177.html

By TFY Draft Preview

Tremendous playmaking defender that does not look the part yet gets the job done with great force.

Full Name: Tommie Harris School Oklahoma

Ht: 6-3 Wt 285 40: 5.03 Number 97

Bio:

2002: Bednarik Award finalist, Lombardi Award finalist, All-America first team and consensus All-Big 12 first team. Slowed by a groin injury yet second on the team with 16 quarterback hurries and totaled 12.5/2/2.

2001: All-Big 12 First Team, Freshman All-America First Team, and Big 12 Freshman Defensive Player of the Year. Led the team in quarterback hurries with 14, finished second on the team in tackles for loss with 17.

The Good: Tremendous playmaking defender that does not look the part yet gets the job done with great force. Quick off the snap, plays low with leverage and uses excellent hand technique to keep blockers away. Keeps driving up the field, rarely off his feet and displays a closing burst of speed. Effective when he works hard to make the play and usually does against the ball carrier.

The Bad: Handled by a single blocker, driven off the line by bigger opponents or engulfed at the point. Not a knee bender and lacks the quick change of direction. Has a reputation of being a "loafer". Does not have the great size potential.

The Skinny: It is tough not to take notice of Harris the way he makes plays with great success. A great college player who we feel will be very good at the next level; Harris may never be a "special prospect" due to limited growth potential and an inability to handle the run at the next level. If he maintains focus and gives top effort, Harris has the abilities to impact at the next level.

this scouting report is the exact one i've been typing for 3 years now. y'all really need to listen to me

HornedFrog Purple

02-27-2004, 02:45 PM

heh if you can read 5 more "scouting reports" you will find them say stuff negative in every single one of them

the fact you paid for that report is comical in its own right

rkmsuf

02-27-2004, 02:47 PM

never heard of him...

Huckleberry

02-27-2004, 03:28 PM

heh if you can read 5 more "scouting reports" you will find them say stuff negative in every single one of them

the fact you paid for that report is comical in its own right

I am 99.999999999999999999999999% sure he didn't pay a cent for that.

rkmsuf

02-27-2004, 03:29 PM

So you're saying there is a chance...

Huckleberry

02-27-2004, 03:32 PM

Exactly. A 0.000000000000000000000001% chance.

rkmsuf

02-27-2004, 03:33 PM

Yes!!!

HornedFrog Purple

02-27-2004, 03:49 PM

Exactly. A 0.000000000000000000000001 chance.

Well I am glad... that's about the percentage of a red cent it's worth. ;)

Cuckoo

02-27-2004, 05:19 PM

I don't think I've ever read a scouting report that didn't give a player's potential downside. That doesn't mean they won't be solid NFL players.

Vegas Vic

02-28-2004, 04:59 AM

Ht: 6-3 Wt 285 40: 5.03 Number 97

That 5.03 40-time is a load of crap, but I guess you get what you pay for. He didn't even run at the combine, but he weighed in at 294 with 13% bodyfat.

I guarantee that he runs somewhere around a 4.7 at the OU pro days. Hell, he ran down Longhorn WR Roy Williams at the RRS.

IMetTrentGreen

02-28-2004, 06:34 AM

1. i didnt pay for it

2. the 40 time is comical

3. good to see no one can dispute the report, just attack the source

4. it fun being better that all of you

The_herd

02-28-2004, 09:25 AM

From Mel Kiper.

Harris has been a fixture on the defensive line for the Sooners since his freshman year. He played through injury in 2002 and was not as effective as the year before, yet he was still able to occupy blockers and free his teammates to make plays. Harris is not a guy who will dominate with brute force, but what makes him effective is his quickness off the ball and ability to shed blocks and get into the backfield. You would like to see him dominate games on a more consistent basis despite the fact that he is double and triple-teamed on every play, though. He does not pile up lots of tackles or wow you from a production standpoint, but Harris does hustle for 60 minutes and allow his teammates to do their jobs. When he does make plays, though, they are usually big ones in the offensive backfield. Harris may not be the top-five guy I once envisioned, but he's certainly worthy of being taken in the top 10 overall.

HornedFrog Purple

02-28-2004, 09:30 AM

1. i didnt pay for it

Since you didn't print up what it says about Booger Kennedy so i can chuckle at that one too.

2. the 40 time is comical

Argue away about 3/10ths of a second, it don't mean squat on a football field.

3. good to see no one can dispute the report, just attack the source

Considering OU was on TV down here all the time, that is all the source I need. By the way, I do agree with him taking plays off, if that qualifies as a "loafer". Depending on what team he goes to, that will change quickly. The great size potential is silly.

4. it fun being better that all of you

whatever floats your raft

IMetTrentGreen

03-01-2004, 04:13 PM

ome around the NFL are questioning whether or not OU defensive tackle Tommie Harris is big enough to play at tackle in the 4-3. At 293 pounds there is some concern about Harris being mauled by double teams. Harris looks to be a perfect fit in a 3-4 alignment as an outside tackle, but that might mean that Harris falls to the Texans at number 10 in that case. And yes, Longhorn fans, the NFL scouts and coaches are also questioning whether or not Tommie Harris made enough plays.

i think he'd make a great 3-4 de, but of course i thought that two years before anybody else. god i'm good

albionmoonlight

03-01-2004, 04:19 PM

Your talents are wasted here. You should be professionally evaluating draft talent for an NFL franchise.

mckerney

03-01-2004, 04:28 PM

Vegas Vic

03-11-2004, 02:48 AM

Oklahoma Pro Days, 3/10/04

Harris (292 pounds), ran his 40s in 4.78 and 4.80, the short shuttle in 4.31 and the three-cone drill 7.31. He had a 31-inch vertical jump and his broad jump was 9-0 1/8. He chose not to lift here because he did 29 reps at the combine.

vex

03-11-2004, 09:09 AM

That's not the only times out. I've heard those times, and I've also heard that he ran as low as 4.65.

Vegas Vic

03-13-2004, 10:48 AM

More from OU Pro Day:

But what really set Harris apart from all the other defensive tackles in the draft was his 4.31 shuttle time. "He ran it like a linebacker," commented one NFC scout. "Tremendous change of direction for a big guy."

Looks like he's got a good shot of being drafted by the Falcons with their #1 pick.

Huckleberry

03-13-2004, 11:04 AM

"Tremendous change of direction for a big guy."

I've seen it in action. He can go from forward to backward in the blink of an eye!!! :D

IMetTrentGreen

03-14-2004, 04:45 PM

i never saw it in action, since he was always being blocked by one lineman from each direction

Airhog

03-14-2004, 09:02 PM

I have no real interest in pro football, but I could care less about where or when he goes. OU will fill his gap with someone that is just as good or better. It's sad that the texas fans stoop so low to take pot shots at OU :D Im sure this will go on for a long time, since Stoops has mack browns number

IMetTrentGreen

03-15-2004, 04:32 PM

i would bet money that they will replace him with someone good or better

i would also bet money that ou shouldn't be so confident this year. just giving you early warning

and if i wanted to take pot shots at ou i could just bring up jabari brown:D

sovereignstar

03-15-2004, 04:36 PM

IMetTrentGreen

03-15-2004, 04:36 PM

well, neither one is on the team so it doesn't really matter

Vegas Vic

03-15-2004, 05:24 PM

i would also bet money that ou shouldn't be so confident this year. just giving you early warning

"This is a recording....."

Noop

03-15-2004, 05:31 PM

I hate to say this but Texas fans sound alot like Florida State fans when it comes to Miami. Always talking smack but at the end of the day your left with another defeat eating crow. Word of advice from a sane Seminole fan shut the hell until you actually beat OU more then twice in a row in the 20XX.

IMetTrentGreen

03-16-2004, 11:51 AM

i dont know where you guys have been the last two years, but i have not been talking smack about the football team. i knew defeat was inevitable and took it like a man

smack about tommie harris, yes. about jason white, yes.

about the team beating us, no. every sane person in the world knew what was coming last year. every sane person is playing wait and see this year. but im telling you, changes have been made. we practice like a real football team now

ou will still win this year. but it will be close. coach tomey and coach robinson are making a huge difference

and noop, take an english class. unless you are good enough to go to fsu, your school will care about your grades

Noop

03-16-2004, 12:11 PM

and noop, take an english class. unless you are good enough to go to fsu, your school will care about your grades
Why the personal shot at me?

mckerney

03-16-2004, 12:16 PM

Why the personal shot at me?

Because you didn't end your post with, "...though this year the Almighty Longhorns shall rise force again, and in fulfilment of the scriptures they shall deliver a mighty whipping to OU, along with the rest of college football. Amen."

Noop

03-16-2004, 01:47 PM

Because you didn't end your post with, "...though this year the Almighty Longhorns shall rise force again, and in fulfilment of the scriptures they shall deliver a mighty whipping to OU, along with the rest of college football. Amen."
I think he is just mad that I let him on the truth about his Longhorn fans. I believe Texas will be OU when Stoops leaves for the NFL after Bill Parcell's retire.

:)

noop