Superpower II: A Civilization III - Conquests Dynasty

[Franklinnoble]

The original "Superpower" was left unfinished, but I've always wanted to go back and try again. Since I now have the latest Civ3 expansion and a flattering Golden Scribes nomination as motivation, I'm starting over.

I like to keep my dynasties as interactive as possible, because it's more fun for me, and, hopefully, more fun for my readers. Last time, I named various military units and cities after people who read and posted. I'm going to do the same thing here, but I've decided to add a new wrinkle...

You are my cabinet.

Now, bear in mind, I'm still the H.N.I.C. when it comes to running the country, but I thought it would be cool to have a panel of advisors, and consult them regularly on matters of national importance.

Nominate yourselves as you see fit. I will select the following:

* Secretary of War
His duties are obvious. Consult on matters pertaining to military readiness and strategy.

* Secretary of Science
Will help direct the path of our technological research.

* Secretary of Trade
Chief of commerce, finance, and foreign trade.

* Secretary of the Interior
Responsible for infrastructure and national expansion.

* Secretary of State
Foreign relations advisor. Should remain aware of strengths and weaknesses of foreign powers and negotiate treaties and pacts to our advantage.

* Secretary of Security
Keep the peasants happy and reasonably safe from each other. Also responsible for intelligence and espionage.

If there is enough interest, I will allow each secretary to select an undersecretary (or 2 or 3... depending on how popular this is). I will dissolve the cabinet periodically and call for new nominations in order to allow opportunities for fresh participants.

The roles of each secretary are meant to overlap and compliment one another - so you'll have to cooperate. Greatest consideration will be given to motions presented by the group as a whole.

You may begin submitting nominations now. Please familiarize yourselves with the rules of Civ3: Conquests if you have not already. It is possible to participate without having a clue about the game, but your decisions will be more sound if you at least have a basic grasp of how things work.

The first order of business is to decide the basic game conditions and the nation we will command. I'm leaning towards Carthage, as I like the Industrious - Seafaring traits, and they have a pretty strong unique unit early in the game.

***Edit - I'm open to the potential of doing this as a PBEM game, if there's 3 or more people interested. I can't promise that I'll be able to take more than a turn a day, though - so you'd have to be patient.

[finkenst]

we should build more caravans, sire.

[The Afoci]

Me like War!

[Celeval]

I'd love to do PBEM, but I'm not confident of more than a turn a day, either; and I know there will be spots I'll be out of town. Damnit.

So I'll just be reading, consider this a show of support. :-)

[JeeberD]

What exactly does a PBEM game entail? Would it be similair to what you have set up now or would each person have his own country?

Also, I only have the original Civ III. What expansions would I have to purchase to participate in a PBEM? Just Conquests or would it take more?

Oh...and if you just stick to your current format, I would like to be Secretary of Science... :)

[Tasan]

Well since I'm presenting the Epic category, I decided to read your as it was one of two I hadn't read yet. Excellent job. I'd like to participate in this if I could, maybe Sec of Science, as the tech side of Civ has always been my favorite part.

[3ric]

Excellent concept! This will be interesting to see.

[Franklinnoble]

What exactly does a PBEM game entail? Would it be similair to what you have set up now or would each person have his own country?

Also, I only have the original Civ III. What expansions would I have to purchase to participate in a PBEM? Just Conquests or would it take more?

Oh...and if you just stick to your current format, I would like to be Secretary of Science... :)

You'd need to just get the Conquests expansion. Every person would have their own country.

We've got a couple of people going for Sec. of Science... either figure it out amongst yourselves, or I'll just pick one.

I was sort of hoping The Afoci would nominate himself for Secretary of War. Our mighty nation could use a few crawfish with laser blasters instead of claws. :D

[tucker342]

Awesome! If not enough people sign up I'll sign up, but otherwise, I'll just read along!:)

[JeeberD]

If all I need to pick up is Conquests then I'm all for a PBEM. I'm not going to pick it up until I'm certain that we're going to do it though, so let me know what's going on there.

And in regards to being Secretary of Science, I am the obvious choice. Tasan's just a silly Houstonite... :D

[The Afoci]

I was sort of hoping The Afoci would nominate himself for Secretary of War. Our mighty nation could use a few crawfish with laser blasters instead of claws. :D

Me like war! Me want to run war! Me want to blow shit up!

[JeffNights]

I'll add my diplomatic touch. As Colin Powell is my hero : )

[Tasan]

What exactly does a PBEM game entail? Would it be similair to what you have set up now or would each person have his own country?

Also, I only have the original Civ III. What expansions would I have to purchase to participate in a PBEM? Just Conquests or would it take more?

Oh...and if you just stick to your current format, I would like to be Secretary of Science... :)
Silly me, I saw JeeberD and just thought it would be inane ramblings, so I didn't even read it ;- )

I'll take whatever there is left then, and just "advise" on science.

[Franklinnoble]

JeeberD -

I've never done a PBEM game before - so I'm not sure quite how a dynasty along those lines would work. I'm willing to experiment, but I don't want that to be the lone endorsement for you to go buy the game. Let me know how you feel about it.

Even if we do PBEM and it's just the two of us, I suppose we could solicit our own cabinet members and have separate "teams" to keep in interactive for whoever wants to read but can't actually play.

Anyone else interested in doing PBEM?

[Blade]

I have only played the original Civ III, but if that is not too much of a problem, I would like to apply for the Secretary of Security.

[Raven Hawk]

I have played only regular Civ III also, but I feel I have a pretty good handle on it. I would like to apply for the Secretary of Trade. I love this aspect of the Civ games and have always found that it is never leveraged enough.

[JeeberD]

JeeberD -

I've never done a PBEM game before - so I'm not sure quite how a dynasty along those lines would work. I'm willing to experiment, but I don't want that to be the lone endorsement for you to go buy the game. Let me know how you feel about it.

Even if we do PBEM and it's just the two of us, I suppose we could solicit our own cabinet members and have separate "teams" to keep in interactive for whoever wants to read but can't actually play.

Anyone else interested in doing PBEM?

I'm about to head over to Wally-World to pick up the game. I had better enjoy it, dammit... ;)

It would be cool if we could get another person or two to play along with us, but your suggestion about us both having cabinets sounds like it could be interesting. I just wonder how we could do it as a dynasty without giving away too much info about our civs to each other...

[3ric]

Jeeber, you can download it from trygames.com and use it free for three games to see how it's like... and then buy it if you want.

[Celeval]

Alright, damnit, if we can deal with me being out of town from Friday-Monday this coming week, I'm in. :-)

And I may bring my fiancee along either as a separate player or a team member of mine.

[Celeval]

Is there a Civ III PBEM faq someplace, that steps through how to run a turn, etc?

[JeeberD]

The game has been bought. I have to be at work in a couple of hours, so I probably won't be able to really start messing with it until after work tonight, but I'm now in for sure.

Good to have you along, Celeval...

[3ric]

Is there a Civ III PBEM faq someplace, that steps through how to run a turn, etc?

Good question, I'm intrigued by this idea... haven't bought Conquest yet though.

[Celeval]

I've been looking but haven't found one... closest is http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72094 but that's not much.

[Franklinnoble]

Anyone who wants to do the PBEM, please e-mail me. I think we should run a "trial" game first (just go through a few turns) before we do a full-blown dynasty, just to see how it works.

The issue of security certainly is valid... public cabinet discussions would place us at a disadvantage. Perhaps the solution is to agree to an alliance of nations VS the AI - at least for the early part of the game. If we wipe out the computer, then we'll solve the privacy issue - but at that point, a clear international leader will probably have been decided.

Thoughts?

[Celeval]

Also depends... if the three of us (are there 3 of us?) are spread out enough and are able to avoid butting up against each other, it might work out as well.

[Celeval]

Anyone who wants to do the PBEM, please e-mail me. I think we should run a "trial" game first (just go through a few turns) before we do a full-blown dynasty, just to see how it works.

Sounds good to me. But your PM box is full, and your profile isn't doing email. ;)

Kevin

[JeeberD]

Sounds good to me. But your PM box is full, and your profile isn't doing email. ;)

Kevin

Guess I won't even bother trying... :)

[Junior 19]

I would be up for a PBEM game. I'm pretty much a Civ novice though. I had played Civ2 a long time ago and to be honest it was the Superpower I thread that made me go out and get Civ3, that and it was basically free with gift cards from xmas. Anyways, I got the gold edition that has Civ3 and PTW combined so I don't know how that would affect anything. For example I tried to install the latest patches for the games and it I had to reinstall the game because the patches asked for the Civ3 or PTW CD to be in the drive. Which isn't what you get in my version.

Is it Conquests that you are going to do the PBEM through? I don't know if it has that feature or not but I'd be willing to pick it up if I had to. Either way let me know.

[Tasan]

I'd love to PBEM, but I don't have conquerers, and I don't really have the $30 to spend on it since I just bought FBCB the other day.

[JeeberD]

Ahh...come on Tasan. How much more broke is $30 going to make you? Make the sacrifice, you'll be glad you did... :)

[Tasan]

Ahh...come on Tasan. How much more broke is $30 going to make you? Make the sacrifice, you'll be glad you did... :)
Diapers and wipes man, diapers and wipes. They ain't cheap.

;- )

[JeeberD]

Bah! Be a man and use cloth diapers. Much, much cheaper... :D

[Junior 19]

And Reusable! :)

[Franklinnoble]

Guess I'd better go clean my inbox...

[JeeberD]

Any update on this?

[Tasan]

Bah! Be a man and use cloth diapers. Much, much cheaper... :D
Did that for his first year. When we moved, we had to use disposables for a while. Ever since then, he breaks out like crazy to cloths. It sucked to have to go to disposables, because yes, it is a LOT cheaper ;- )

[JeeberD]

Did that for his first year. When we moved, we had to use disposables for a while. Ever since then, he breaks out like crazy to cloths. It sucked to have to go to disposables, because yes, it is a LOT cheaper ;- )


Really? Wow...I was just joking. I didn't think that anyone actually used those anymore... :confused:

[Tasan]

Really? Wow...I was just joking. I didn't think that anyone actually used those anymore... :confused:
Boy I love how this has turned into a diaper discussion! ;- ) And yes, there are actually some parents who still use 'em.

Anyway, back to CIVTALK! I might swing the expansion too, I've been reading how good PBEM is.

[Franklinnoble]

OK... my inbox is empty. Please PM me if you wanna do PBEM... looks like we might go in that direction...

[JeeberD]

PM sent

[Franklinnoble]

OK... got three PM's. I won't have time to start the game until Saturday, at the earliest. Anyone else can jump in until then.

[Raven Hawk]

We doing the cabinet thing still, or no?

[The Afoci]

I am the War guy!! We must!

[Raven Hawk]

I'm the trade guy! We must go to war to monopolize natural resources!

[The Afoci]

Screw trading, we will own everything. No one to trade with!

[JeeberD]

Bah! You will never defeat the kingdom of JeeberD!

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... it looks like we have at least three people interested in PBEM. It'd probably be best for everyone to e-mail me at franklin AT noblebrown DOT com with your game preferences (which Civ you want, etc.) Make sure you have the Conquests expansion installed. I'll get the game started when everyone checks in.

I still dig the cabinet idea, and even if I lose a bit of a competitive advantage, I still intend to use it. The other PBEM players may feel free to post their dynasty perspective here as they wish. Feel free to solicit your own cabinet, if you like.

[Franklinnoble]

OK... so far, I've gotten e-mails from three interested parties and replied back. Let me know if you have NOT gotten mail from me and still want to play...

[Coffee Warlord]

Hey franklinnoble, can I be named as your Minister of Information? I want no duties aside from government sanction to write press reports during the dynasty as I see fit. :)

[Franklinnoble]

Hey franklinnoble, can I be named as your Minister of Information? I want no duties aside from government sanction to write press reports during the dynasty as I see fit. :)

Clever... I like it. :D

Consider it done.

[Raven Hawk]

Screw trading, we will own everything. No one to trade with!

When that happens, I'll be more than happy to sit in the corner and count the beans. Until then . . . embargos and FTA's a-plenty!

[Franklinnoble]

Tasan -

E-mail to you is getting blocked by a spam filter or something.

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... The Cabinet for Carthage is nearly set. So far, we have:

Secretary of War
The Afoci. Could there really be any other choice? You don't want to be taken prisoner by this man.

Secretary of Science
Tasan expressed an interest, but he might be doing the PBEM. Anyone else interested?

Secretary of State
JeffNights. I hope he can get along with The Afoci.

Secretary of Security
Blade. Keep the natives from getting restless.

Secretary of Trade
Raven Hawk. Show me the money!

Minister of Information
Coffee Warlord. Spread the propoganda!

Secretary of the Interior
Nobody's interested. I guess nobody wants to build roads or plan expansion.

[AdmiralACF]

This sounds like it could be fun. Sign me up for Sec of the Interior.

[Tasan]

Tasan -

E-mail to you is getting blocked by a spam filter or something.
Damn....let me set something up.

[Coffee Warlord]

-- From the Office of the Carthage Minister of Information --

Let it be known that the mighty military of Carthage has never been defeated on the field of battle! Our forces are feared from one side of the globe to the other, and we are the paradigm of culture in an otherwise dark world. Be proud when you say you hail from the great nation of Carthage, for soon, very soon, the entire world will be in our hands.

Our technologists will soon be unveiling the secrets to our latest scientific mircale. By working with this strange yellow ore called 'Bronze', our formidable forces will indeed be unstoppable. Even know, our mighty colonists, backed by this 'Bronze', are moving to spread the Glory of Carthage to the 4 corners of the world.

Thank you.

- Co'f Ist Fee Ist W'arlo Ist R'd, Minister of Information to the Noble, Fair Despot of Carthage.

[JeeberD]

The mighty empire of America will dominate the landscape! No civilization shall survive our mighty wrath...

[Junior 19]

Guess I'm out. God knows when I'll be able to pick up conquests. But I will be watching with great interest.

[Franklinnoble]

Just FYI - I apologize for not having the PBEM started yet. I have been sidetracked with numerous family matters as my father in law passed away a week ago. Please bear with me - I really think this could work out pretty well, and I will be sure to have the game started by this evening.

[The Afoci]

You all are fools for opposing us. This will not be forgotten. The nut slicer is being tested as we speak.... MUHAHHAHA!

[Franklinnoble]

You all are fools for opposing us. This will not be forgotten. The nut slicer is being tested as we speak.... MUHAHHAHA!

Amazing... our Secretary of War has invented a working nut slicer prior to the discovery of iron. Surely such genius cannot be matched.

[The Afoci]

Amazing... our Secretary of War has invented a working nut slicer prior to the discovery of iron. Surely such genius cannot be matched.

Sadly it isn't made of iron, but the teeth of the worst whores of the nearest civilization that opposed us.

[Franklinnoble]

Sadly it isn't made of iron, but the teeth of the worst whores of the nearest civilization that opposed us.

I don't know if I'd call an alpaca a "whore," but, whatever.

[The Afoci]

I don't know if I'd call an alpaca a "whore," but, whatever.

Anything that chews on cud and has a hump is a whore. You must not come to Fargo often.

[Franklinnoble]

Anything that chews on cud and has a hump is a whore. You must not come to Fargo often.

I'm unwilling to subject myself to the viral-killing chemical bath that is required upon leaving the town limits, so, yeah, I generally steer clear of Fargo.

[Celeval]

The peaceful, quiet Mayan empire will outlast all.

Unless you want to fight, in which case our javelin throwers will own you.

Literally, we beat you, you work for us. :-)

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... game on (at last).

Basically, you open Civ3, select multiplayer, load game (which I have e-mailed to the next-in-line), play a turn, save, exit, e-mail to the next in line... rinse... repeat.

It will make for slow going, especially early on... but let's give it a shot for a while and see how it works out.

I have sent the game file to the Ottomans. May they cower in fear...or something.

[Coffee Warlord]

-- From the Office of the Carthage Minister of Information --

To: Secretary of War Afoci

Our forces need a name. Something to strike fear into the hearts of our infidel enemies. I will listen to any suggestions you have, as your reputation in these matters is second to none.

Furthermore, I require another shipment of llamas. No questions.

[Tasan]

The great Ottoman empire has taken its turn, a wholy unexciting event. I will let you know this, I've got a home now.

[The Afoci]

A midgets who ass hair has been burned off runs into Coffee Warlords office.

Sir, The Afoci has sent me here with suggestions of what we should name our troops. Sadly I forgot them when I saw the ass of the fine llamas he sent. Little did I know that a small fire could be started when attempting to bump and grind with a gassy llama. That and my genitals now appear to look like cud. Masturbation is now a process that involves 1 inch forward, 2 to the left, one back to the right and kind of wiggle from there. On wrong turn and my hand goes up my ass. I am getting better.

[Franklinnoble]

Well, if THAT doesn't strike fear into the enemies of Carthage, nothing will...

[Coffee Warlord]

Our enemies are always afraid. We are the power of the world.

[Blade]

Not sure I can keep our own people from falling into a panic when The Afoci's midgets are running around...

And I never thought I would ever be writing a statement like that on a forum!

Well, at least not this forum...

[Raven Hawk]

-- From the Office of the Carthage Minister of Information --

To: Secretary of War Afoci

Our forces need a name. Something to strike fear into the hearts of our infidel enemies. I will listen to any suggestions you have, as your reputation in these matters is second to none.

Furthermore, I require another shipment of llamas. No questions.

The Secretary of Trade denies your request for llamas. We send instead 1 metric ton of curly fries.

[AdmiralACF]

So how is this thing gonna work with the advisers? Will you be posting screen shots or reports or something like that?

[Franklinnoble]

So how is this thing gonna work with the advisers? Will you be posting screen shots or reports or something like that?

I will post a screen shot of the vast and mighty Carthaginian empire sometime this evening.

Oh, and I got dibs on those curly fries...

[The Afoci]

The Secretary of Trade denies your request for llamas. We send instead 1 metric ton of curly fries.

The curly fries will be used to draw in the evil, yet weak hordes of enemy troops. They will be then strung up on a piece of rope and allowed to be savaged by lonely, horny elephants... With herpes...

[JeeberD]

Damn...America wishes that they had some curly fries. :(

[Calis]

You know, I've had Civ3 for damn near a year now, and have yet to even unwrap it.

Read through your first Superpower dynasty and enjoyed it quite a bit, will be following this one closely.

This close to actually firing up Civ3 now.

What a horrible way to do PBEM though, can't believe that's how they implemented it.

[Franklinnoble]

You know, I've had Civ3 for damn near a year now, and have yet to even unwrap it.

Read through your first Superpower dynasty and enjoyed it quite a bit, will be following this one closely.

This close to actually firing up Civ3 now.

What a horrible way to do PBEM though, can't believe that's how they implemented it.

Yeah, the PBEM is a little lame. And it's going to be slow, as I can only do Civ3 at home (can't get away with it at work, sadly).

[Coffee Warlord]

The Secretary of Trade denies your request for llamas. We send instead 1 metric ton of curly fries.

Do you *really* want the Minister of Information as your enemy?

We want our llamas, and we want them NOW!

[Raven Hawk]

Do you *really* want the Minister of Information as your enemy?

We want our llamas, and we want them NOW!

Sources within the Foreign Trade Bureau have mysteriously located a gaggle of llamas. By leveraging our abundant supply of elephants with herpies (EWH's) we were able gain control of said llamas from a small mountainous nation soon to be called TheAfoci's bitch. For convenience, the llamas have been packed with your order from industrial-lubricants.com. The order should be arriving shortly . . .

[Coffee Warlord]

-- From the Office of the Carthage Minister of Information --

Tremble, nations of the world. We, the most advanced civilization in the world, have an even greater power at our hands now. Combined with our mighty military force, our superior technological ability, and of course, our cultural superiority, we also have the world's foremost expert in trade and economic affairs, Minister Raven Hawk.

Send your goods to the mighty nation of Carthage, less your economies fall into ruin. Only our supreme Trade Advisor has the knowledge to make you wealthy. Resist, and bankrupcy is assured.

Resist further, and The Afoci is assured.

[Celeval]

[-- cut to the Mayan empire --]

FARMER: [scratches head] ¿Dónde están nuestras llamas? Eran aquí justa hace un minuto...*

[ -- ]

*Where are our llamas? They were here just a minute ago...

[Tasan]

[-- cut to the Mayan empire --]

FARMER: [scratches head] ¿Dónde están nuestras llamas? Eran aquí justa hace un minuto...*

[ -- ]

*Where are our llamas? They were here just a minute ago...

LOL

Somehow though, I don't think they spoke Spanish.

[Celeval]

Sorry, Babelfish doesn't translate ancient Mayan.

[Tasan]

Sorry, Babelfish doesn't translate ancient Mayan.
Aw now, that means it probably doesn't have Ancient Ottoman either...dang!

[JeeberD]

Ahhh...ain't nothing better than good old American english. :)

[Tasan]

And where is Franklin? I haven't gotten my second turn yet.

[The Afoci]

And where is Franklin? I haven't gotten my second turn yet.

Forgot to untie him. Give me a minute.

[JeeberD]

And where is Franklin? I haven't gotten my second turn yet.

I think he's more worried about that damn mob boss in San Diego than his Carthinian subjects...

[Franklinnoble]

I think he's more worried about that damn mob boss in San Diego than his Carthinian subjects...

See, here's the thing... I can play FOF2K4 at the office and get away with it. So that dynasty gets updated a lot - especially when I'm having a slow day at work.

Civ3, on the other hand, I can't play very discreetly at the office... so I'm limited to taking my turns at night. I missed last night because I'm dealing with some major family drama (father in law just died... no will... lots of bickering heirs... probate litigation... blah.. blah... blah...)

Anyhow, I took a turn tonight, and I've taken a screen shot, which I will post for my trusted advisors to evaluate later on.

In the meantime, go read the other dynasty if you've got nothing better to do. ;)

[JeeberD]

Oh, hey! I just realized you're talking about the office. Good to see that you got a new job!

Yeah, I'm up to date on the other dynasty. Keep the Civ turns coming... :D

[Tasan]

See, here's the thing... I can play FOF2K4 at the office and get away with it. So that dynasty gets updated a lot - especially when I'm having a slow day at work.

Civ3, on the other hand, I can't play very discreetly at the office... so I'm limited to taking my turns at night. I missed last night because I'm dealing with some major family drama (father in law just died... no will... lots of bickering heirs... probate litigation... blah.. blah... blah...)

Anyhow, I took a turn tonight, and I've taken a screen shot, which I will post for my trusted advisors to evaluate later on.

In the meantime, go read the other dynasty if you've got nothing better to do. ;)
Did you get the save game sent out? I didn't get it if you did.

[Tasan]

The mighty Ottoman empire has taken its rather brief turn. Jeeb, I believe you are up. Boy aren't these early turns exciting?!?!!?? ;- )

[JeeberD]

The Mayans are now up!

[Franklinnoble]

Oh, hey! I just realized you're talking about the office. Good to see that you got a new job!



Actually, it's just some short-term contract work... I still need to find something permanent. But I'm glad you noticed. :D

[Franklinnoble]

Behold! Mighty Carthage!
http://www.noblebrown.com/sp2/carthage1.jpg

Look at how happy and industrious our workers are already. I believe he's building a Starbucks...

[The Afoci]

Thats right, building a warrior. Everyone be warned.

[AdmiralACF]

As Secretary of the Interior, I suggest we dig trenches in the land surrounding the city to transport water to the farmland. I propose we call this irrigation. (Not sure if Carthage has discovered how to do this yet, but that's usually where I start my development.)

I also suggest to our honorable leader that we build more workers as soon as possible to expedite domestic development.

[The Afoci]

As Secretary of the Interior, I suggest blah blah blah

We need more troops so we can enslave the vile enemies to do our bidding. Our trenches will be built with their bones as supports. It will be their blood which is spilled in the fields, preparing our crops. It is them that will be our caretakers for the animals we so love and fondle!

[Raven Hawk]

We must fist build a mighty warrior to protect our home. Then send him out as a scout to discover what treasures lie in those smaller villages about our mighty Carthage!

[The Afoci]

We must fist

I agree.

[AdmiralACF]

Listen not to your warmongering Secretary of War. Wasting resources on the military would set our people behind in expansion and development.

[The Afoci]

Listen not to your warmongering Secretary of War. Wasting resources on the military would set our people behind in expansion and development.

It is you who wants the backs of our great people to build the roads. I prefer it be the slaves of a conquered peoples who oppose us. You propose to build roads so that while they plot ways to kill us, we make the path easier. I say we act now, destroy the dinks and let them build our great cities.

[AdmiralACF]

Slaves will revolt against their rulers. War is a waste of life when peace is an option. I do not propose we leave ourselves undefended, I simply think that we should build units for defense and exploration, not aggression.

[Coffee Warlord]

Slaves will revolt against their rulers. War is a waste of life when peace is an option. I do not propose we leave ourselves undefended, I simply think that we should build units for defense and exploration, not aggression.

We have no slaves. Our citizens are happy, productive members of society, who consider it a priviledge to support the invincible Empire of Carthage.

[The Afoci]

We have no slaves. Our citizens are happy, productive members of society, who consider it a priviledge to support the invincible Empire of Carthage.

Of course with the exception of those who oppose us, who then are raped, pillaged and sent into to the mines and fields to are sacrificed to the gods for our great ruler, FranklinNoble!

[Franklinnoble]

All this healthy debate while Carthage remains just one small city. Imagine what it'll be like when we rule a continent or two... :D

[Blade]

Slaves will revolt against their rulers. War is a waste of life when peace is an option. I do not propose we leave ourselves undefended, I simply think that we should build units for defense and exploration, not aggression.

And the last thing we need are the slaves influencing the good people of Carthage. However, War does improve the general populace's morale, so long as we are winning...

[Franklinnoble]

... War does improve the general populace's morale, so long as we are winning...

I would like to add that mighty Carthage has never lost a war...

[tucker342]

Build me a porno shop!!! Or at least a Hooters:D

[Tasan]

bump

Where are we at?

[Coffee Warlord]

Of course with the exception of those who oppose us, who then are raped, pillaged and sent into to the mines and fields to are sacrificed to the gods for our great ruler, FranklinNoble!

The Information Ministry wishes to make an amendment to this statement issued by our Brilliant and Ever Victorious Secretary of Defense.

This statement implies that our Mighty Ruler, FranklinNoble, is not a god himself. This is completely false. The Empire of Carthage is led by divine influence, blessed by the elder gods, but commanded by Lord Franklinnoble, God of Victory, Llamas, and Curly Fries.

Sacrifice and tribute to our leader is, of course, a regular event in every Carthagian's daily life. Our benevolent god shelters the Empire, and woe to the nation who would dare stand against the most powerful country in the world. The hand of the immortal shall smite those who oppose us, bring us wealth beyond imagination, and soon, very soon, the entire world will kneel and pay homage to the Great God Franklinoble.

Thank you for your time, people of the world. You may resume your regularly scheduled supplication.

[Raven Hawk]

The Bureau of Trade favors militaristic expansion at this point in Carthage's great history. We condone slavery, however, it should not be our people who are enslaved. Bring War to the heathens and let them work off their sins in servitude to Carthage and its mighty ruler, Franklinnoble.

After we conquer one paltry civilization, then we can return our focus to economic expansion. Manifest Destiny, my brothers. We must own our landmass.

[JeeberD]

*nudge*

Oh Franky....

[Junior 19]

I was just curious if you edited the default settings? I don't know how the multiplayer works, but on the single game, unless you meet any victory conditions the game will "end" after 512 or 521 turns or something like that. At the pace your going 1 maybe 2 turns a night.. I think you should rename the thread "The War of 2004" :)

[Celeval]

...and 2005... and 2006...

:-)

[JeeberD]

At the pace your going 1 maybe 2 turns a night.. I think you should rename the thread "The War of 2004" :)

I think right now our pace is actually two turns per week. I think Tasan has it right... :D

[Tasan]

So I'm guessing Franklin's family matters turned ugly this weekend....Hopefully all is well and we can get started again next week.

[Franklinnoble]

So I'm guessing Franklin's family matters turned ugly this weekend....Hopefully all is well and we can get started again next week.


Actually, I took my turn last night. Your spam filter on both e-mail address has rejected my message.

[Tasan]

Actually, I took my turn last night. Your spam filter on both e-mail address has rejected my message.
ARGH

Try tasan AT ev1.net

[Celeval]

Sent your way, T.

If you don't get it, IM me.

[Franklinnoble]

ARGH

Try tasan AT ev1.net

Ok... just sent.

[Tasan]

okay got through at the ev1 address, just send to that one from now on. Seems email.com and mindless.com both use outblaze spam filter, and they see the IP your emails come from as a known spammer for some reason. No clue. Anyway, I'll take my turn now and get things going again...

[Franklinnoble]

okay got through at the ev1 address, just send to that one from now on. Seems email.com and mindless.com both use outblaze spam filter, and they see the IP your emails come from as a known spammer for some reason. No clue. Anyway, I'll take my turn now and get things going again...


Weird. I'll see if I can contact Outblaze and get taken off their naughty list.

I was wondering why my Paris Hilton videos weren't selling so well...

[JeeberD]

The mighty empire of America now has its capital city. The world will learn to tremble at the mere mention of the city of El Paso...

[Franklinnoble]

The mighty empire of America now has its capital city. The world will learn to tremble at the mere mention of the city of El Paso...


It's not usually wise to wait so long to settle your first city. Every turn counts early in the game, but the AI should be pretty forgiving at this low difficulty level.

[finkenst]

The mighty empire of America now has its capital city. The world will learn to tremble at the mere mention of the city of El Paso...

Tremble with laughter...

El Paso... Heck, why not Las Cruces?
:D

[Raven Hawk]

The mighty empire of America now has its capital city. The world will learn to tremble at the mere mention of the city of El Paso...
The Secretary of Trade recommends that we open trade routes to El Paso. I hear that they have some pretty good salsa there. And us with all of our extra tortilla chips . . .

[JeeberD]

It's not usually wise to wait so long to settle your first city. Every turn counts early in the game, but the AI should be pretty forgiving at this low difficulty level.


I wasn't completely happy where my settler started out, so I moved him a couple of spots over where I though the city had a better chance to flourish...

[JeeberD]

The Secretary of Trade recommends that we open trade routes to El Paso. I hear that they have some pretty good salsa there. And us with all of our extra tortilla chips . . .

You have curly fries and tortilla chips? Wow, you guys are a junk food haven. I just hope you don't all become obese and die out in a couple of decades... ;)

[Celeval]

I think the Mayans with their plentiful tobacco crops will be beating a path to the door of ANYONE who has junk food.

[Franklinnoble]

Carthage has plenty of its own tobacco. If we could just keep the midgets out of it.

[JeeberD]

We've got tobacco too...

[Tasan]

We have water....I think....

[Tasan]

Oh yes. I think I'll take a stroll down our road this turn, and sit under the palm trees by the lake.

Jeeber, you are up.

[Franklinnoble]

Oh yes. I think I'll take a stroll down our road this turn, and sit under the palm trees by the lake.


Watch for falling coconuts.

Carthage has built its first road. Beware the power of our awesome infrastructure.

[JeeberD]

And I think I'll take a closer look at our tobacco fields. Gotta make sure we don't have nay infestations of those nasty Carthaginian tabacco-midgets. Those suckers will ruin a crop in no time flat...

Celeval is on the clock. :)

[Franklinnoble]

And I think I'll take a closer look at our tobacco fields. Gotta make sure we don't have nay infestations of those nasty Carthaginian tabacco-midgets. Those suckers will ruin a crop in no time flat...

Carthaginian midget guano actually makes great fertilizer... but you can't leave them amongst the fields too long, or you'll end up smoking some very pungent cigars...

[Celeval]

FN on the clock.

Bah. If y'all aren't careful, we'll put you to work in our Tobacco Mines.

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... finally got my turn done.

This is the slowest game I've ever played in my life... should make it challenging, though, as everyone will have plenty of time to think between turns...

[Tasan]

did you send the file yet?

[Franklinnoble]

did you send the file yet?

Yes... did it not go thru?

I have contacted outblaze about their ruthless discrimination against my e-mail address..

[Celeval]

Franklin - my emails to Tasan are going through, if you want to copy me on the file I can send it.

Kevin

[Tasan]

Yes... did it not go thru?

I have contacted outblaze about their ruthless discrimination against my e-mail address..
Which address did you send it to? If you just send a single email to tasan AT ev1.net, it should get through.

[Franklinnoble]

I did send it to the ev1 address... as far as I can tell, it hasn't come back to me.

Unfortunately, I don't have the file here at work. I will have to try again at home.

[Tasan]

I did send it to the ev1 address... as far as I can tell, it hasn't come back to me.

Unfortunately, I don't have the file here at work. I will have to try again at home.
Well I think I figured out the problem this time, its my stupid fault ;- )

I havent' been downloading my email on my main machine, where it completely removes it from the server and frees up space. I've been just downloading a copy to my laptop, and WSUCougar has been sending me pics to post for his dynasty, and I think my account got full. I've cleaned it up now, so hopefully your mail is still hitting the spool, and will deliver.

[Tasan]

Okay everyone sing it with me!


Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul not Constantinople
Been a long time gone
Old Constantinople's still has Turkish delight
On a moonlight night

Evr'y gal in Constantinople
Is a Miss-stanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it, I can't say
(People just liked it better that way)

Take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks'

Istanbul!!

Istanbul!!

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it, I can't say
(People just liked it better that way)

Take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks'

'stanbul!!
Forgot to mention that istanbul is my capital ;- )

[Franklinnoble]

Forgot to mention that istanbul is my capital ;- )

It will make a nice Carthaginian colony someday...

[JeeberD]

Oh, are we singing about our capitals?

Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with a Mexican girl
Nighttime would find me in Rosa's cantina
Music would play and Feleena would whirl


Blacker than night where the eyes of Feleena
Wicked and evil while casting her spell
My love was deep for this Mexican maiden
I was in love, but in vain I could tell

One night a wild young cowboy came in
Wild as the West Texas wind
Dashing and daring, a drink he was sharing
With wicked Feleena, the girl that I loved


So in anger
I challenged his right for the love of this maiden
Down went his hand for the gun that he wore
My challenge was answered in less than a heartbeat
The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor

Just for a moment I stood there in silence
Shocked by the foul, evil deed I had done
Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there
I had but one chance and that was to run

Out through the back door of Rosa's I ran
Out where the horses were tied
I caught a good one, it looked like it could run
Up on its back and away I did ride

Just as fast as
I could from the West Texas town of El Paso
Out to the badlands of New Mexico

Back in El Paso my life would be worthless
Everything's gone in life, nothing is left
It's been so long since I've seen the young maiden
My love is stronger than my fear of death

I saddle up and away I did go
Riding alone in the dark
Maybe tomorrow a bullet will find me
Tonight nothing's worse than this pain in my heart

And at last here
I am on the hill overlooking El Paso
I can see Rosa's cantina below
My love is strong and it pushes me onward
Down off the hill to Feleena I go

Off to my right I see five mounted cowboys
Off to my left are a dozen and more
Shouting and shooting I can't let them catch me
I have to make it to Rosa's back door

Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel
A deep burning pain in my side
Though I am trying to stay in the saddle
I'm getting weary, unable to ride

But my love for
Feleena is strong, and I rise where I've fallen
Though I am weary I can't stop to rest
I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle
I feel the bullet go deep in my chest

From out of nowhere Feleena has found me
Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side
Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for
One little kiss and Feleena, goodbye


Hmmm, the hero dies in the end. Maybe that wasn't such a good song to quote...

[Franklinnoble]

The Carthaginian national anthem is usually sung while burping. There's really no way to translate that to text...

[Blade]

The Carthaginian national anthem is usually sung while burping. There's really no way to translate that to text...

But I still sing it proudly every morning!

And evening for that matter...

[Celeval]

Ping...

...who's turn is it?

[The Afoci]

We broke game. No like trade or diplomacy. Blow shit up now.

[JeeberD]

I know I got the file on Thursday, took my turn, and sent it on to Celeval. After that, I have no idea who's up...

[Celeval]

I sent the file on the Franklin at 2:33pm on Thursday.

[Tasan]

ugh, i get the feeling its supposed to be in my inbox, but isn't. Damned email.

[JeeberD]

GET YOURSELF A HOTMAIL ACCOUNT!!!! You know, just for this game... :)

[Tasan]

Okay, any future email to me needs to go to daveverio AT hotmail.com Its an old address that I had at an old job, and amazingly it still works. According to Jeebs, these things work well for our game, so thats what I'll check from now on.

[Franklinnoble]

Ok... I'll re-send the file tonight. I just figured things got slow over Super Bowl weekend and all...

[Raven Hawk]

In efforts to bolster trade, the Carthaginians have announced that they will be hosting the Super Bowl in Carthage next year.

Rumor has it that TheAfoci will show his breast during the halftime show . . .

[Franklinnoble]

Okay, any future email to me needs to go to daveverio AT hotmail.com Its an old address that I had at an old job, and amazingly it still works. According to Jeebs, these things work well for our game, so thats what I'll check from now on.


Ok... just sent to that address... lemme know if you get it.

[Tasan]

Got it. Will play my turn tomorrow morning some time.

[JeeberD]

Huzzah! Thank god for the power of Hotmail! :D

[The Afoci]

In efforts to bolster trade, the Carthaginians have announced that they will be hosting the Super Bowl in Carthage next year.

Rumor has it that TheAfoci will show his breast during the halftime show . . .

Sadly, after the operation, my breast are those of a goat. Women shun me and farmers fear my farts. I am a lonely freak.

[Franklinnoble]

Sadly, after the operation, my breast are those of a goat. Women shun me and farmers fear my farts. I am a lonely freak.

The midgets don't seem to mind...

[Tasan]

Bump. Jeebs should have the file now to hit the ever important space bar.

[Franklinnoble]

The might of the Carthaginian empire grows... may the mere mortals of this earth fear our fearsomeness... or something.

http://www.noblebrown.com/sp2/carthage2.jpg

Our noble warrior has conquered the puny village to the north, and in return, they have pledged the allegiance of one of their own. Now fitted with the matching brown llama-hide boots and loincloth that mark the Carthaginian military, he travels west to explore the fruitful plains of our great nation.

[JeeberD]

The file is about to be sent on to Celeval. Wow, two turns in 12 hours! I'm amazed... ;)

[Tasan]

We're movin' now! At this rate, we'll be done by 2010 now!

:D

[Franklinnoble]

If anyone else has screen shots and needs a place to host them, let me know...

[JeeberD]

I should have known our fast pace would never last. Franky's never been known for his stamina...

[Franklinnoble]

Has someone sent me the game file since I posted that screen shot? I might have missed it...

[Tasan]

Well I'm not sitting on it this time. It must be Celeval.

[Celeval]

Hm... I have it in my sent mail from the 5th at 12:59pm, but I'll send it again.

[Franklinnoble]

Thanks... I must have missed it somehow.

[JeeberD]

It's always the Redskins fan's fault... :D

[Celeval]

Might have been my mail server, there's been some hiccupping lately. :)

[Franklinnoble]

It's always the Redskins fan's fault... :D

Keep it up... I plan on re-naming El Paso "Washington D.C." after I conquer it.


:D

[Junior 19]

Might be worth having you all on AIM or something and sending files that way.. when you can ofcourse :)

[JeeberD]

So Franky, are you still holding us up, or is it Tasan's fault this time?

[Franklinnoble]

I e-mailed the game file about an hour or two ago...

[JeeberD]

An hour or two ago? You've had the file for two days now! I'm so dissapointed in you...

[Tasan]

I've got it but I've been real busy. I'll have it out tomorrow(later today actually).

[Franklinnoble]

An hour or two ago? You've had the file for two days now! I'm so dissapointed in you...

Yeah, well, when you grow up, you'll have to work for a living in shitty jobs that require nights and weekends.

Unless you marry well, of course.

[JeeberD]

I already have a shitty job that requires I work nights and weekends... :(

[Tasan]

Unless you marry well, of course.
Like me.

I married an engineer, and I stay and home now and take care of the kid. Not the complete carefree existence you might think, but pretty nice ;- )

[JeeberD]

Since you have nothing to do all day but watch the kid, are you ever going to get your turn played? ;)

[Tasan]

Well, Monday and Tuesday are usually filled with school work for me, and this weekend was the Linux Kernel Nightmare. All is better now, I should be good from here out ;- )

[JeeberD]

Gaze in wonder at the empire of America...

http://home.comcast.net/~jeeberd/USA2.jpg

[Franklinnoble]

I gaze and wonder why you took an extra turn or two to build your city, and then left it just out of range of that enticing antelope that would have provided a nice bonus for you...

[JeeberD]

The antelope will be within range soon enough...

[Lokugh]

Er, I may have missed one of the expansions, but what the heck are those resources down towards the bottom of that map? Did they add tobacco or something?

Lokugh

[Celeval]

Tobacco got added in Conquests, as did a few others.

[Franklinnoble]

The antelope will be within range soon enough...

Just for future reference... your city would have been much more productive out of the gate with the forests and game righ next door.

[JeeberD]

Guess you learn something new every day... :)

[JeeberD]

Who are we waiting on this time?

[Celeval]

Last sent 2/11, 9:15pm.

[Tasan]

Whew, I don't have it. I hadn't checked my hotmail today. The ball appears to be in Franklin's court.

[Vince]

Man, sorry I missed out on this. Civ is one of my favorite games of all time! Good luck to all :)

Jeebs, must be a bit hungry in El Paso...good production though, I bet.

[Franklinnoble]

My bad... been out of town all weekend. I'll try to get it out tonite.

[JeeberD]

Just curious if this was supposed to be sent on to me or not yet. My mailbox was full for a couple of days, so if Tasan tried to send it to me I didn't get it...

[Franklinnoble]

Well, I sent it... dunno who has it now.

[Tasan]

No, I've been insanely busy with a paper for my night class, so I haven't had time. I'll go play now.

[JeeberD]

Huzzah! The file just came in. Time to take my turn, send it on to Celeval, and then go the hell to bed... :)

[JeeberD]

Almost to the second page. Do I have to ask the question again?

[Franklinnoble]

I just sent the file.

[Vince]

How many turns have you guys played now? 3? Can't wait until this gets up to some interesting portions of the game :)

[JeeberD]

Hey! This will be turn ten, thank you very much. Get your facts straight... ;)

[Junior 19]

So .. what happened guys? I'm waiting to see turn 11 :) lol

[JeeberD]

I dunno. I sent the file on to Celeval a week ago...

[Celeval]

I sent it on to FNB a week ago...

[Franklinnoble]

I sent it to Dave...

[JeeberD]

Oh Daaaavy Taaaaasy...

[JeeberD]

Bumped since Tasy Wasy is on right now...

[JeeberD]

Oh, by the way, the file is now in Celeval's Inbox... :)

[Vince]

Kevin's been largely absent from the online world lately...not sure what he's up to. Our OOTP league, the CFBL, has been on stand-by for about a week.

[Vince]

And of course, as soon as I post...the CFBL sims :)

[Celeval]

Of course. :-D

I've been slammed with work stuff, will get the Civ game out sometime today when I can break from work for about 15 minutes.

[JeeberD]

Dragging this up from page two...

[JeeberD]

Should I just assume that this has died a quiet death and that I need to leave its remains alone?

[Celeval]

*peers* And I've got such great grandiose plans...

[Franklinnoble]

I dunno... who are we waiting on now?

[Tasan]

Wow. It would appear to be me again. Had no clue it was to me, as I don't check my hotmail very often. I'll have it sometime today.

[JeeberD]

So how's this coming along, Tasan?

[Junior 19]

I hate to say it... but... bury it. I was kinda of joking when i said this was the Civ of 2004. But it really is looking that way :(

[JeeberD]

I was about to, but it sounded like the other guys were interested in keeping it going as well. I don't want to keep dragging them along, forcing them to play...but I do want to keep this moving along.

I dunno...

[The Afoci]

Don't fear me. Keep it.

[Celeval]

I'm interested in keeping it going. Just need my turn to do so. ;)

[JeeberD]

TASAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!