Player of the Year?

[MizzouRah]

I just won the Super Bowl, my qb Marc Bulger has the best qb rating of any qb and Dante Culpepper gets 'Player of the Year'??

Culpepper
358-548 (65.3%) 3970 Yards (22 TD) (7 INT) 94.7 rating
Rushing (68-366, 2 TD)
Minnesota was (8-8) and watched the playoffs from home.

Bulger
306-485 (63.0%) 3938 Yards (36 TD) (9 INT) 105.4 rating
Rushing (16-18, 0 TD)
Bulger was (13-3) in the regular season and (3-0) in the playoffs including a Super Bowl MVP.


Maybe I'm wrong??



Todd

[finkenst]

Todd,

He only ran for 18 yds and no TDs.. Is that really the performance of an MVP?


:D

[MikeVic]

I just won the Super Bowl, my qb Marc Bulger has the best qb rating of any qb and Dante Culpepper gets 'Player of the Year'??

Culpepper
358-548 (65.3%) 3970 Yards (22 TD) (7 INT) 94.7 rating
Rushing (68-366, 2 TD)
Minnesota was (8-8) and watched the playoffs from home.

Bulger
306-485 (63.0%) 3938 Yards (36 TD) (9 INT) 105.4 rating
Rushing (16-18, 0 TD)
Bulger was (13-3) in the regular season and (3-0) in the playoffs including a Super Bowl MVP.


Maybe I'm wrong??



Todd


I'd pick Bulger too.. but I can see how Culpepper could win, though... less INTs, more yards passing, more completions and attempts, and rushing is no contest.

[GoSeahawks]

This is odd. In my solo league Dante Culpepper won the MVP award in 2011 with a QB rating of 84. He threw for 3,943 yards, 22 touchdown's and 15 interceptions. There were at least 10 players that deserved the award more than him.

My league is in 2028 now and I can't think of a worse MVP selection than the one in 2011.

[mauchow]

Veteran Status....?

He's old, he's about to retire, let's let him leave the game on a high note..

[Comey]

This is odd. In my solo league Dante Culpepper won the MVP award in 2011 with a QB rating of 84. He threw for 3,943 yards, 22 touchdown's and 15 interceptions. There were at least 10 players that deserved the award more than him.

My league is in 2028 now and I can't think of a worse MVP selection than the one in 2011.
Somewhere in your file, e-Rush Limbaugh is saying "Told you so."

[Poli]

The Rams could win with anyone. Imagine how bad the Vikings would have been without Culpepper. :)

[MrBug708]

Rush would be proud...

[hukarez]

I just won the Super Bowl, my qb Marc Bulger has the best qb rating of any qb and Dante Culpepper gets 'Player of the Year'??

Culpepper
358-548 (65.3%) 3970 Yards (22 TD) (7 INT) 94.7 rating
Rushing (68-366, 2 TD)
Minnesota was (8-8) and watched the playoffs from home.

Bulger
306-485 (63.0%) 3938 Yards (36 TD) (9 INT) 105.4 rating
Rushing (16-18, 0 TD)
Bulger was (13-3) in the regular season and (3-0) in the playoffs including a Super Bowl MVP.


Maybe I'm wrong??



Todd
I wonder if the Player of the Year award also takes into account 4Q Heroics? :confused:

[pskov]

What about surrounding talent level? Getting a 94.7 QB rating and your team still only going 8-8 must mean the rest of the guys suck real bad.

[Darkiller]

Somewhere in your file, e-Rush Limbaugh is saying "Told you so."
LOLOL this is hilarious :-)

As for this MVP awarded to the "wrong" person, I think this is something that needs to be tweaked (if possible) in the next patch.

There is NO WAY Culpepper is the Most Valuable Player in the face of Bulger in your career.

Let's not try to overanalyse the "4Q heroics", the "talent level surrounding him" etc...

FACTS :

Culpepper's team is 8-8 with no Playoffs ! / Bulger's team is 13-3

Culpepper threw for 14 LESS Touchdowns than Bulger

Culpepper's QB rating is 11 points INFERIOR to Bulger's

Let's stop here, plain and simple : the AI made a stupid move here.

[hunt_nd]

And here's mine...

My quarterback:
65.1 completion percentage
4787 yards passing (led the league by a significant amount, one other guy was over 4K, barely)
40 TDs
18 INTs
Rushing: 23 for 24 0 TDs.
Passer rating: 106.5
1st team all-pro QB
Team went 16-0 and won the Super Bowl. (Eat your heart out, '72 Dolphins)

The 1st team all-pro running back:
1825 rushing yards
5.1 average per carry
11 rushing TDs
75 catches
662 receiving yards
2 receiving TDs
Team went 8-8 and missed playoffs.

I, of course, was rooting for my quarterback, but couldn't be too disappointed if the running back got it. After all, that was an incredible season.

The MVP?

The 2nd team all-pro running back with:
1405 rushing yards
4.2 average per carry
8 rushing TDs.
70 catches
610 receiving yards
7 receiving TDs.
Team finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

Buh? He had a good season, but he's clearly not the best running back in the league this year, let alone the MVP. (Player of the year, whatever.)

If the AI could pick the proper RB to be all-pro, what's it doing messing up that badly on MVP?

[fantastic flying froggies]

Definitely buggy. Reported as such in the general bug/tweaks thread where I referenced this thread...

[MizzouRah]

FACTS :

Culpepper's team is 8-8 with no Playoffs ! / Bulger's team is 13-3

Culpepper threw for 14 LESS Touchdowns than Bulger

Culpepper's QB rating is 11 points INFERIOR to Bulger's

Let's stop here, plain and simple : the AI made a stupid move here.


My thoughts exactly. Especially the 14 more TD's part. :)
FWIW, Bulger has 8 4th Q heroics and Culpepper only has 4 (career).

To top it off, Culpepper has won this award 2 years in a row!!! ... and Minnesota has went nowhere.

[MizzouRah]

Todd,

He only ran for 18 yds and no TDs.. Is that really the performance of an MVP?


:D

:D


Todd

[MizzouRah]

Definitely buggy. Reported as such in the general bug/tweaks thread where I referenced this thread...
Thanks, I was going to do that!


Todd

[MizzouRah]

And here's mine...

My quarterback:
65.1 completion percentage
4787 yards passing (led the league by a significant amount, one other guy was over 4K, barely)
40 TDs
18 INTs
Rushing: 23 for 24 0 TDs.
Passer rating: 106.5
1st team all-pro QB
Team went 16-0 and won the Super Bowl. (Eat your heart out, '72 Dolphins)

The 1st team all-pro running back:
1825 rushing yards
5.1 average per carry
11 rushing TDs
75 catches
662 receiving yards
2 receiving TDs
Team went 8-8 and missed playoffs.

I, of course, was rooting for my quarterback, but couldn't be too disappointed if the running back got it. After all, that was an incredible season.

The MVP?

The 2nd team all-pro running back with:
1405 rushing yards
4.2 average per carry
8 rushing TDs.
70 catches
610 receiving yards
7 receiving TDs.
Team finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

Buh? He had a good season, but he's clearly not the best running back in the league this year, let alone the MVP. (Player of the year, whatever.)

If the AI could pick the proper RB to be all-pro, what's it doing messing up that badly on MVP?
I agree with you here, same problem.


Todd

[Darkiller]

Also, something I've seen, but it's not related to FOF2004 only because I've experienced that as well in FOF2, is that when a player once wins the League MVP award, he will have a higher propension at winning another one, and another one after that (all of this in a 5-year or so bubble)

Seems like whenever a player earns his first MVP, then the AI attributes him with a coefficient that will substantially increase his MVP potential/candidacy for the upcoming seasons. (obviously this is also related to "popularity" but that we know already)

A couple of examples:

- In my FOF2004 career, the reigning League MVP has just earned his 3 award in 4 years and twice, he was FAAAR from deserving...

- In my FOF2 career, my former RB (Oliver Ramirez) won back-to-back-to-back NFL MVP awards ! and I don't know if he was that deserving in years 2 & 3. Clearly having won the MVP in year 1 put him on the radar screen thereafter.

[Ben E Lou]

Running the ball as much as I do, and typically using RB-by-committee, I almost never have a candidate for player-of-the year...

[cthomer5000]

Dear Jim, please allow us to vote for POY, just like we can in TCY.

I see no reason not to. Even if we have no huge impact, it would make a player feel more involved.

[Darkiller]

Dear Jim, please allow us to vote for POY, just like we can in TCY.

I see no reason not to. Even if we have no huge impact, it would make me a player feel more involved.
bingo.
Top of my list for things I'd love to see implemented in FOF.

[Maple Leafs]

He only ran for 18 yds and no TDs.. Is that really the performance of an MVP?I think this is actually the right answer. In choosing between QBs for POY, the FOF AI really seems to favor guys who can run. Probably too much so.

(P.S. Did I use enough acronyms in that second sentence?)

[fantastic flying froggies]

well, you could have said :
In choosing between QBs for POY, the FOF AI really seems to favor guys with the most RnAtt and RnYds. :p

[Ben E Lou]

I think this is actually the right answer. In choosing between QBs for POY, the FOF AI really seems to favor guys who can run. Probably too much so.

(P.S. Did I use enough acronyms in that second sentence?)I'll take this a step farther and make this hypothesis:

When choosing a player for any award, the AI overvalues guys who have high stats in categories other than the "main" category for that player.

[cthomer5000]

I'll take this a step farther and make this hypothesis:

When choosing a player for any award, the AI overvalues guys who have high stats in categories other than the "main" category for that player.

agreed. LB's usually get chosen based on interceptions or sacks, safeties for high numbers of tackles, and RB's for receiving stats. Using my kicker as punter (and kicker) ensured 5 straight years as 1st team Kicker.

[MizzouRah]

Dear Jim, please allow us to vote for POY, just like we can in TCY.

I see no reason not to. Even if we have no huge impact, it would make a player feel more involved.

I would love to see this feature for patch 'c'. :)


Todd