Baseball Auction Round 4 results

[BishopMVP]

Link - http://www.geocities.com/bishopmvp5/auctionrd4.xls
Rounds 1 through 3 can still be found at http://www.geocities.com/bishopmvp5/auction.xls

Also, the last thread is http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=21104
and Honolulu Blue's dynasty report/request for line-ups is http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=21129

Most roster spots were filled. From the teams that sent bids, there were about 6 or 7 that weren't won, so send me your Round 5 bids by 11:59 PM EST Saturday Night. Also, the trading period and write-ups will probably be due about Tuesday night, then I'll start posting the polls. I encourage you to go over to HB's thread once your team is complete, although I'm not sure how he's dealing with Negro Leaguers/Japanese players.

[TLK]

Well, here's my team..... couldn't be happier about how this turned out....


MGR Stengel, Casey (104) 1934-1965 1905-1842 7 WS Championships

POS Name ($) Years HOF Avg H HR RBI SB
C Lombardi, Ernie (21) 1931-1947 Yes .306 1792 190 990 8
1B Stargell, Willie (42) 1962-1982 Yes .282 2232 475 1540 17 OF
2B Frisch, Frankie (4) 1919-1937 Yes .316 2880 105 1244 419
SS Yount, Robin (64) 1974-1993 Yes .285 3142 251 1406 271 OF
3B Mathews, Eddie (105) 1952-1968 Yes .271 2315 512 1453 68
LF Kelley, Joe (56) 1891-1908 Yes .317 2222 65 1193 440
CF Ott, Mel (63) 1926-1947 Yes .304 2876 511 1860 89 3B
RF Kaline, Al (46) 1953-1974 Yes .297 3007 399 1583 137

C Meyers, Chief (8) 1909-1917 No .291 826 14 363 44
1B-3B Perez, Tony (36) 1964-1986 Yes .279 2732 379 1652 49
2B-3B Myers, Hy (21) 1909-1925 No .281 1380 32 1380 107
3B-SS Traynor, Pie (30) 1920-1935 Yes .320 2416 58 1273 158
OF McCarthy, Tommy (1) 1884-1896 Yes .292 1496 44 666 506
OF Murphy, Dale (17) 1976-1993 No .265 2111 398 1266 161
OF Foster, George 1969-1986 No .274 1925 348 1239 51


POS Name ($) Years HOF W-L ERA K's ShOs Saves
SP1 Drysdale, Don (87) 1956-1969 Yes 209-166 2.95 2486 49 6
SP2 Hubbell, Carl (38) 1928-1943 Yes 253-154 2.97 1678 36 0 1 no-hitter
SP3 Sutton, Don (45) 1966-1988 Yes 324-256 3.26 3574 58 3
SP4 Faber, Red (78) 1914-1933 Yes 254-213 3.15 1471 30 28
P Tiant, Luis (6) 1964-1982 No 229-172 3.30 2416 49 15
P Bunning, Jim (37) 1955-1971 Yes 224-184 3.27 2855 40 16 2 no-hitters
P Rommell, Ed (1) 1920-1932 No 171-119 3.54 599 18 29
RP Hernandez, Willie (3) 1977-1989 No 70-63 3.38 788 0 147
RP Harvey, Brian (44) 1987-1995 No 17-25 2.49 448 0 177
CL Aguilera, Rick (6) 1985-2000 No 86-81 3.57 1030 0 318

[Maple Leafs]

Looks like I have my final roster, barring any trades:

Man. Gaston, Cito - 2

C Chance, Frank - 3
C Lopez. Javy - 6

1B Mize, Johnny - 21
1B Sisler, George - 41
1B Terry, Bill - 6
2B Hornsby, Roger - 203
2B LaJoie, Nap - 51
SS Vaughan, Arky - 51
3B Torre, Joe - 1
3B Chavez, Eric - 4

LF Bell, Cool Papa - 113
CF Speaker, Tris - 111
RF Musial, Stan - 155
RF Gonzalex, Juan - 1
OF Hamilton, Billy - 11
OF Bell, George - 7

SP Brown, Mordecai - 41
SP Joss, Addie - 41
SP Waddell, Rube - 31
SP Walsh, Ed - 41
SP Marquard, Rube - 41
SP Scott, Mike - 1
RP Henke, Tom - 1
RP Wagner, Billy - 14
RP Garber, Gene - 2

Pros - Lots of speed, probably the best collection of contact hitters and OBP guys in the auction. Cool Pappa Bell to lead off, four different .400 hitters in the IF, plus Stan Musial to drive them home. Speaker may be one of the best three all-around CFs ever. The group seems solid defensively, although that's hard to measure with so many guys from the early era. The starting rotation is very solid, and there are some solid relievers. Gaston wasn't a great strategist, but he was one of the all-time great manangers when it came to keeping a group of all-stars happy and winning, which seems to fit perfectly with this sort of contest.

Cons - A lack of power is the obvious one. Mize hit 50 HRs, Musial has pop and modern guys like Juan Gone, Chavez and Bell provide HR threats, but considering other teams will have guys like Ruth and Bonds, this lineup won't scare anyone in terms of the deep ball. I also probably went too heavy on guys from the early part of the century if we're going to have some sort of vote. They're good players, but will the average fan even know who Addie Joss was?

[Honolulu Blue]

One note: Bryan Harvey is listed as being won by Suicane75. He was won by TheLionKing in round 3.

Thanks BishopMVP for the mention. For the Negro Leaguers, I mostly used the best comparable major league player, tweaking the bio and some rating data as appropriate. For the Japanese Leaguers, I found a couple of sites with career data, so I plugged in that data - with some air let out, of course.

With the addition of RP Jeff Montgomery, my roster is now full. Let's take a quick look at it:

mgr - McCarthy

c - Simmons & Parrish
1b - Hernandez
2b - Morgan & Whitaker
3b - Schmidt
ss - G. Davis
1b/3b - Evans
ss/3b - Petrocelli
of - Keller, Ashburn, Robinson; Gibson, E. Davis, Bonds

sp - Grove, Perry, Blyleven, Key
swing - Ferrell, Lemon
rp - Hiller, Ward, Montgomery, Tekulve

I continue to be happy with the lineup and bench; and I think the rotation and pen have developed nicely.

The biggest weakness is that it might be a little bit of a tough sell. There are only 7 current Hall of Famers here, but several others might still make it in the future. I definitely picked these guys for how well they play(ed) ball and not because of whether they have statues in Cooperstown. We'll see how it all plays out.

[oykib]

bump

[Vince]

Ugh, I kept meaning to do this, and kept meaning to do this, and I never got around to it. I wonder if Bishop even has time to do bids for me...I'll whip some up anyways.

[oykib]

Did we extend the deadline of this for Vince? If so, when to?

I have a feeling there might not be any contested bids in this round anyway, since most of the teams are already filled.

BTW, I miscounted my players. So the 1 point bid I put is will be erroneous.

[BishopMVP]

ntndeacon bids 24 on wilbur cooper

Oykib bid on a player already bid upon in Rd 1, so just let me know who you want.

Chief Rum bids OF Dwight Evans--10, 3B Bill Madlock--10, OF Ken Williams--10
Suicane75 gets Mitch Williams and Greg Olson

For everyone who does not yet have a full complement of players, just send/post a list of those you want. I'll wait until Thursday Night @ 11:59 PM EST, which also constitutes the trading period. At whatever time after that point I get around to it, rosters will be finalized, and I'll start posting polls. Also, everyone who's interested(including myself) needs to get over to Honolulu Blue dynasty report, where currently only 2 roster set-ups have been submitted. You can also make fun of how terrible he must have drafted, since he just lost a game to the all-time Rangers.

[Vince]

Ugh, excuses excuses from my end. Hopefully I can get something together by Thursday...this was fun, and I kind of like my team. Anyhow, thanks for all the work you've put in Bishop!

[Honolulu Blue]

Thanks again Bishop.

I've finalized the schedule and some other details. Lineups are due by Friday evening, 2/13. Read the dynasty thread (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?p=376046#post376046) for further details.

[oykib]

I'll take Jim Edmonds if he hasn't been taken yet.

[oykib]

If Edmonds is okay, then this is my team (more details to come):

Position Name B/T Other

C Josh Gibson R/R
1B Eddie Murray S/R
2B John Henry Lloyd L/R SS, 1B
3B Shigeo Nagashima R/R
SS Barry Larkin R/R
LF Tim Raines S/R CF
CF Oscar Charleston L/L OF, 1B
RF Vladimir Guerrero R/R

C Katsuya Nomura R/R
C Louis Santop L/R LF, RF, 1B, 3B
2B Max Bishop R/R
3B Chipper Jones S/R LF
3B Ray Dandridge R/R SS, 2B
CF Larry Doby L/R 2B, SS
CF Jim Edmonds L/L

RHP Robin Roberts B/R Durable
RHP Smokey Joe Williams R/R Fireballer, Durable Best early-era Black Pitcher
LHP Masaichi Kaneda L/L Durable #1 in all Japanese pitching stats
RHP Dazzy Vance R/R Fireballer 7-time Ks champ

LHP Ron Guidry L/L

RHP Bullet Joe Rogan R/R Fireballer, Durable sidearmer, stylish, good hitter
(10th in Negro League career batting avg, 40 HR per 550 AB)

LHP Harry Brecheen L/L
RHP Mike Mussina L/R 6-time gold glove pitcher
LHP Mel Parnell L/L
RHP Sal Maglie R/R Intimidator .657 winning percentage

MGR. Billy Southworth 1044 - 704 .597 4 Pennants,
2 World Series Championships in twelve years of managing


Players in boldface are Hall of Famers.
Players in italics are members of a foreign Hall of Fame.
Ray Dandridge is a member of the Mexican Hall of Fame as well as ours.

I think everyone should post their completed rosters to make it easier to see what's available for trade and team needs.

[Suicane75]

Somehow I still only have 24 players, ill put in for 1 more guy but my team is pretty much set.

C- Jim Sundberg
1B- Todd Helton
2B- Pete Rose
SS- Gary Sheffield
3B- Cap Anson
LF- Daryl Strawberry
CF- Ken Griffey Jr.
RF- Bo Jackson

SP 1- Hal Newhouser
SP 2- Steve Carlton
SP 3- Curt Schilling
SP 4- Orel Hershiser
SP 5- Frank Tanana

LHR- Randy Myers
LHR- Sam McDowell
RHR- Mitch Williams
RHR- Greg Olson
CL- Dennis Eckersley

BENCH- Isao Harimoto OF
BENCH- Cecil Fielder 1B
BENCH- Matt Nokes C
BENCH- Vince Coleman OF
BENCH- Julio Franco 2B
BENCH- Pee Wee Reese SS

MANAGER- Jim Fregosi

[oykib]

Looking at my team, I am somewhat suprised at how it turned out. I hadn't expected to go with as many non-major leaguers as I did. But that's where the value was.

I think that no one will have trouble acepting the greatness of the Negro Leauers that I have in my starting lineup. Gibson, Charleston, and Lloyd are all ranked number one at their positions by Bill James. They also all rank in his top thiry all-time, with Charleston and Gibson being in his top ten. They are all Hall of Famers as well.
In addition, John Holway (the leading scholar on the Leagues rates them all #1 at their positions).

Overall, 10 of my 25 are HOFers and three of the others are members of a foreign hall. Of the remaining twelve, only half are eligible. The six active or just retired seem fairly good bets to get in-- with the exception of Edmonds.

My basic reasoning was that if the guy didn't play in the majors, then he'd better be the best there ever was at the position he played in whatever other league. That being said I think I'll only have to convince people of Nagashima among players in my starting lineup. Since outside the aforementioned three, only he is an unknown among my starting eight.

Pitching is another story. I know a lot of people have no clue who the pitchers on my staff are. But I figured I could cheaply fill my rotation with the second-tier HOF starters and make up the difference with defense. Every member of my starting lineup was/is a "plus" defender except for Raines and Guerrero (and both of them have great speed and above average RFs and ZRs for corner outfielders). I especially wanted mobile infielders to handle bunts and turn DPs.

Pros
Great up-the-middle defense. Great team speed. Very Good power. Underrated, but good pitching staff. Probably, the most versatility of any of the teams so far (which is important in a no-DH league).

Cons
Unknown and/or underrated guys. Tough to win a poll with them. Probably lack a top-10 pitcher-- though James has Smokey Joe Williams at #13 and Robin Roberts at #18. Really would've liked to have picked up a soft-tosser like Tommy John for the bullpen.

[Bearcat729]

I seem to need one more player so I think I'll take Pitcher Hippo Vaughn

That would make my team

Manager John McGraw
P Jack Chesbro
P Grover Cleveland Alexander
P John Clarkson
P Chief Bender
P Whitey Ford
P Carl Mays
P Hippo Vaughn
P Trevor Hoffman
P John Smoltz
C Roger Bresnahan
C Bill Dickey
1B Hank Greenberg
1B Ted Kluszewski
2B Cupid Childs
2B Johnny Evers
3B Stan Hack
3B Al Rosen
SS Alex Rodriguez
SS Lou Boudreau
SS Joe Sewell
OF Duke Snider
OF Ralph Kiner
OF Paul Waner
OF Hugh Duffy
OF King Kelly

[Honolulu Blue]

Bishop: Who's the manager for your team?

[Maple Leafs]

P Jack Chesbro
P Grover Cleveland Alexander
P John Clarkson
P Chief Bender
P Whitey Ford
Man, that's a nice starting four.

[oykib]

Here's the list of teams that i cut and pasted from the excel worksheets and the third round results thread. That's why the formatting sucks. But I figured that these'd help facilitate trading.

Chief Rum

Allen, Dick - 10
Bedrosian, Steve - 10
Durocher, Leo - 10
Hernandez, Roberto - 11
Hoyt, Waite - 10
Manush, Heinie - 11
Stewart, Dave - 10
Willis, Vic - 10
Worrell, Todd - 10
Banks, Ernie - 100
Campanella, Roy - 60
Collins, Eddie - 60
Feller, Bob - 60
Clemens, Roger - 155
Heilman, Harry - 5
Jackson, Reggie - 105
John, Tommy - 5
Killebrew, Harmon - 155
Morris, Jack - 5
Munson, Thurman - 4
Nettles, Graig - 4
O'Doul, Lefty - 5
Sosa, Sammy - 155
Allen, Dick - 10
Bedrosian, Steve - 10
Durocher, Leo - 10
Hernandez, Roberto - 11
Hoyt, Waite - 10
Manush, Heinie - 11
Stewart, Dave - 10
Willis, Vic - 10
Worrell, Todd - 10


BishopMVP

Brouthers, Dan - 2
Ewing, Buck - 2
Martinez, Pedro - 121
Mathewson, Christy - 121
Paige, Satchel - 11
Radbourn, Old Hoss - 2
Walker, Larry - 2
Williams, Jimy - 1 (mgr)
Williams, Ted - 152
Wilson, Hack - 2
Day, Leon - 12
Dihigo, Martin - 57
Face, Roy - 62
Kent, Jeff - 103
Lindstrom, Freddie - 12
Marshall, Mike - 57
Percival, Troy - 112
Smith, Hilton - 12
Wells, Willie - 12
Pinson, Vada - 14
Aparicio, Luis - 14
Campaneris, Bert - 14
DiMaggio, Dominic - 14
Ferrell, Rick - 45
Johnson, Judy - 12
Vaughn, Mo - 17
White, Frank - 14
Williams, Matt - 27


ntdeacon

Cey, Ron - 24
Haines, Jesse - 24
Connor, Roger - 43
Howard, Elston - 40
Lyons, Ted - 65
Pennock, Herb - 32
Posada, Jorge - 100
Rixey, Eppa - 40
Ruffing, Red - 30
Santo, Ron - 50
Stearnes, Turkey - 5
Beckley, J - 17
Fox, Nellie - 21
Goslin, Goose - 11
Keefe, Tim - 9
Keeler, Wee Willie - 39
Kell, George - 14
Rizzuto, Phil - 41
Waner, Lloyd - 63
Welch, M - 5
Alston, Walter - 6 (mgr)
Carew, Rod - 63
Hunter, Catfish - 1
Maranville, Rabbit - 3
Medwick, Joe - 6
Ruth, Babe - 274

vtbub

Concepcion, Dave - 10
Dibble, Rob - 45
Garvey, Steve - 30
Lee, Bill - 10
Martin, Billy (2B) - 35
Martin, Pepper - 20
Perranoski, Ron - 25
Podres, Johnny - 15
Wood, Wilbur - 15
Brock, Lou - 20
Fisk, Carlton - 35
Garciaparra, Nomar - 5
Kaat, Jim - 15
McCarver, Tim - 1
Puckett, Kirby - 30
Remy, Jerry - 5
Rice, Jim - 30
Sutter, Bruce - 50
Torre, Joe - 75 (mgr)
Trammell, Alan - 10
Yastrzemski, Carl - 15
Young, Cy - 25
Buckner, Bill - 3
Hahn, Noodles - 10
Martinez, Edgar - 25
Newcombe, Don - 15

Ramzavail

Alomar, Roberto - 35
Boggs, Wade - 25
Cochrane, Mickey - 25
Dawson, Andre - 31
Gooden, Dwight - 20
Johnson, Davey - 10 (mgr)
Klein, Chuck - 25
McGraw, Tug - 15
Molitor, Paul - 41
Piazza, Mike - 61
Richard, JR - 15
Simmons, Al - 41
Bagwell, Jeff - 46
Franco, John - 46
Galvin, Pud - 66
Glavine, Tom - 41
Jeter, Derek - 87
Oh, Sadaharu - 82
Pujols, Albert - 22
Reardon, Jeff - 56
Spalding, Al - 81
Thomas, Frank - 51
Travis, Cecil - 11
Cuyler, Kiki - 21
Rice, Sam - 20
Soriano, Alfonso - 26

Vince

Baker, Home Run - 81
Bench, Johnny - 86
Biggio, Craig - 11
Fingers, Rollie - 39
Koufax, Sandy - 126
LaRussa, Tony - 21 (mgr)
Smith, Ozzie - 66
Wetteland, John - 1
Beck, Rod - 11
Blue, Vida - 51
Cone, David - 2
Flood, Curt - 2
Joyce, Bill - 12
Mitchell, Kevin - 2
Nichols, Kid - 131
Palmeiro, Rafael - 21
Reuschel, Rick - 11
Righetti, Dave - 11
Saberhagen, Brett - 2
Wilson, Willie - 1

Isiddiqui

Aparicio, Luis - 10
Brett, George - 80
Clark, Will - 10
Clemente, Roberto - 60
Cronin, Joe - 30
Gehringer, Charlie - 60
Mantle, Mickey - 150
Minoso, Minnie - 20
Palmer, Jim - 30
Seaver, Tom - 100
Wilhelm, Hoyt - 20
Anderson, Sparky - 1 (mgr)
Boyer, Ken - 10
Averill, Earl - 55
Burgess, Smokey - 20
Burkett, Jesse - 20
Cash, Norm - 30
Gordon, Joe - 30
Lynn, Fred - 60
McGinnity, Joe - 60
Porter, Darrell - 20
Snaughter, Enos - 34
Wynn, Jimmy - 10
Coveleski, Stan - 10
Steib, Dave - 40
Vizquel, Omar - 30

sooner333

Bonds, Barry - 200
Cobb, Ty - 65
Latham, Arlie - 1
McGwire, Mark - 1
Appling, Luke - 47
Brown, Kevin - 13
Cepeda, Orlando - 52
Giles, Brian - 17
Mack, Connie - 12 (mgr)
Marichal, Juan - 111
Parker, Dave - 13
Santiago, Benito - 11
Stephens, Vern - 21
Suzuki, Ichiro - 79
Thigpen, Bobby - 3
Urbina, Ugueth - 12
Willis, Dontrelle - 1
Wynn, Early - 93
Bradford, Chad - 1
Canseco, Jose - 20
Cicotte, Eddie - 80
Dotel, Octavio - 1
Durham, Ray - 1
Matthews, Bobby - 33
McGraw, John (3B) - 83
Ward, John - 41


Coffee Warlord.
Starting Lineup
---------------
1) CF - Carey, Max (15)
2) RF - DiMaggio, Joe (110)
3) 3B - Robinson, Brooks (67)
4) 1B - Foxx, Jimmie (105)
5) LF - Maris, Roger (65)
6) C - Berra, Yogi (110)
7) 2B - Sandberg, Ryne (25)
8) SS - Marion, Marty (64)
Bench
-----
C - Kendall, Jason (16)
1B - Grace, Mark (11)
2B - Castillo, Luis (20)
3B - Santo, Ron (21)
SS - Dark, Alvin (46)
OF - Winfield, Dave (12)
OF - Lofton, Kenny (1)
Starting Rotation
-----------------
1) Dean, Dizzy (96)
2) Niekro, Phil (18)
3) Gomez, Lefty (72)
4) Prior, Mark (36)
5) Valenzuela, Fernando (21)
Bullpen
-------
LR - Lieber, Jon (1)
MR - Isringhausen, Jason (14)
MR - Jones, Doug (14)
CL - Nen, Robb (27)
Manager
-------
Weaver, Earl (5)

Booj

Manager
--------
Felipe Alou (1)
Lineup
-------
2B- Billy Herman (15)
RF- Tony Gwynn (97)
LF- Billy Williams (45)
C- Gary Carter (52)
SS- Cal Ripken, Jr. (31)
1B- Don Mattingly (25)
CF- Andruw Jones (12)
3B- Robin Ventura (5)
Bench
------
C- Mickey Tettleton (1)
1B- Andres Galarraga (1)
2B- Miller Huggins (50)
3B- Tim Wallach (1)
SS- Tony Fernandez (1)
LF- Dave Kingman (15)
CF- Bernie Williams (1)
RF- Paul O'Neill (60)
Rotation
--------
1. Bob Gibson (150)
2. Greg Maddux (100)
3. Nolan Ryan (100)
4. Dennis Martinez (60)
5. Roy Halladay (1)
Bullpen
-------
Tim Burke (20)
Dan Quisenberry (25)
Eric Gagne (26)
Closer: Lee Smith (100) (although all the other 3 can close games as well)
total points : 997

[Honolulu Blue]

WANTED: Lefty or switch hitting outfielder. Must be able to win a home run derby with K. Gibson. Intimate knowledge of the strike zone a must. Ability to steal bases a plus. Ability to cover CF is a plus, but will train the right candidate.

WANTED: Lefty or switch hitting first baseman. Ability to play defense well is highly desirable, but will train the right candidate. Must have thorough knowledge of strike zone. Must be able to produce tape measure shots on demand - or at least with great frequency.

Willing to offer fair value for your candidate(s). Contact J. McCarthy or H. Blue for more details. No reasonable offer refused!!!*

* I am the final determinant of what is reasonable.

[BishopMVP]

I seem to need one more player so I think I'll take Pitcher Hippo Vaughn
My computer time is a bit limited right now, but if he's available, he is yours. The remaining players are available on a first-come first-serve basis, so just post in this thread who you want. Don't bother PM'ing me, as I may not get back to you promptly. Just double-check to make sure they haven't already been picked, as pretty much everybody (including me) has messed up at least once so far.

[Suicane75]

I'll take Andy Petite to fill out my roster

[ISiddiqui]

Manager: Anderson, Sparky - 1

Lineup:

1) LF - Minoso, Minnie - 20
2) 2B - Gehringer, Charlie* - 60
3) 3B - Brett, George* - 80
4) CF - Mantle, Mickey* - 150
5) RF - Clemente, Roberto* - 60
6) SS - Cronin, Joe* - 30
7) 1B - Clark, Will - 10
8) C - Burgess, Smokey - 20

Bench:

C - Porter, Darrell - 20
1B - Cash, Norm - 30
2B - Gordon, Joe - 30
3B - Boyer, Ken - 10
SS - Aparicio, Luis* - 10
SS - Vizquel, Omar - 30
LF - Burkett, Jesse* - 20
CF - Averill, Earl* - 55
CF - Lynn, Fred - 60
RF/LF - Snaughter, Enos* - 34
CF/LF/RF - Wynn, Jimmy - 10

Rotation:

SP1 - Seaver, Tom* - 100
SP2 - Palmer, Jim* - 30
SP3 - McGinnity, Joe* - 60
SP4 - Coveleski, Stan* - 10
SP5 - Steib, Dave - 40

RP - Wilhelm, Hoyt* - 20

* - denotes Hall of Famer

[oykib]

I gotta say that I like, my idealogical nemesis, Isiddiqui's roster a lot. Not greatly fond of the catchers... But very good to great everywhere else including the best bench in the league. Tough to get through a season with six pitchers, though.

It looks like I'm in the toughest division, though. Rum's team is nasty. Sooner's squad is also a group of tough customers. Unghhh...!

Is there a rule that says West divisions always have to be the toughest?!

[oykib]

Have we died here?

[Honolulu Blue]

Have we died here?

Oh heavens no. The fun is about ready to start. For me, anyway.

There are several reasons for the lack of activity:

1) Everyone is pretty happy with their team as is.
2) There aren't any future consideration/draft picks available for trade.
3) Trades can only be done in even numbers - i.e. 1-for-1, 2-for-2, etc.
4) Nobody really knows how the poll is going to go, and how to maximize their chances of winning.

As for the other part (the Diamond Mind showdown (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=21129)), my preliminary analysis tells me that the teams are fairly evenly matched. Some have better pitching, some have better defenses, some draw more walks, some hit for higher averages, some have more power, etc. But the difference between the "best" and "worst" teams on paper is much smaller than the difference in real MLB. I'll try to have a more detailed analysis on Friday night or Saturday morn.

[Vince]

Ok, I'm finally finishing my roster right now, if that's still ok. Should be up in about half an hour.

[Vince]

Dola - ok, to fill out my bench:

Scott Rolen
Manny Ramirez
Juan Pierre
Jim Thome
David Justice

EDIT - If someone's already got these guys, let me know...I was only looking at the first four round Excel sheets online.

Team write-up in a moment.

[Vince]

The dreaded double-dola:

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BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>AVG</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>HR</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>RBI</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>SB</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>OBP</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 200pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=266>Notes</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>C</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Johnny Bench</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>86</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.26700000000000002">0.267</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>29</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>103</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>5</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.34200000000000003">0.342</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">2 MVP; 14 All-Star; 10 GG; HOF</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>1B</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Rafael Palmeiro</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>21</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.29099999999999998">0.291</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>33</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>106</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>6</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.373">0.373</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">4 All-Star; 3 GG; 528 C HR, #13</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>2B</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Craig Biggio</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>11</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.28699999999999998">0.287</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>15</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>67</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>28</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.375">0.375</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">7 All-Star; 4 GG; 241 HBP, #5</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>3B</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Frank Baker</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>81</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.307">0.307</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>10</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>102</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>24</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.36299999999999999">0.363</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">HR Leader 4 years; HOF</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SS</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Ozzie Smith</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>66</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.26200000000000001">0.262</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>37</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.33700000000000002">0.337</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">15 All-Star; 13 GG; HOF</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>LF</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Kevin Mitchell</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.28399999999999997">0.284</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>31</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>101</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>4</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="00.36">0.360</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">2 All-Star; '89 MVP</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RF</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Manny Ramirez</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">-</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.317">0.317</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>41</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>134</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>4</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.41299999999999998">0.413</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">7 All-Star; 1.010 C OPS, #6</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>CF</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Juan Pierre</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">-</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.307">0.307</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>47</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>51</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.35699999999999998">0.357</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">ERA</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">W-L/S</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">SO</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">WHIP</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">INN</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>LH SP</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Sandy Koufax</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>126</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2.76</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">15-8</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>229</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.11</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>222</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">6 All-Star; 3 CY; 3 TC; '63 MVP; HOF</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RH SP</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Kid Nichols</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>131</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2.95</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">20-11</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>107</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.22</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>291</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">361 C W, #5; 5056.3 IP, #11; HOF</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RH SP</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Brett Saberhagen</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>3.34</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">14-10</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>151</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.14</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>226</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">3 All-Star; 2 CY</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RH SP</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Rick Reuschel</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>11</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>3.37</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">13-11</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>126</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.27</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>222</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">3 All-Star; 2 GG</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>LH SP</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Vida Blue</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>51</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>3.27</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">14-11</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>151</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.23</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>233</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">6 All-Star; '71 CY + MVP</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RH SP</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">David Cone</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>3.46</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">15-9</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>208</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.26</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>226.7</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">5 All-Star; '94 CY; 8.28 K/9, #14</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>LH MR</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Dave Righetti</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>11</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>3.46</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>21</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>93</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.34</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>118</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">2 All-Star; 252 C S, #21</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RH MR</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">John Wetteland</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2.93</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>35</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>86</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.13</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>81.7</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">3 All-Star; 330 C S, #8</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RH MR</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Rollie Fingers</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>39</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2.90</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>23</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>90</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.16</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>117.7</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">7 All-Star; '81 CY + MVP; 341 C S, #7; HOF</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RH MR</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Rod Beck</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>11</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>3.21</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>28</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>63</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1.15</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>74.3</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">3 All-Star; 286 C S, #17</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>MGR</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Tony LaRussa</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>21</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">AVG</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">HR</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">RBI</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">SB</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">OBP</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">4 MotY; 1 WS; 3 AL Championships</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BENCH</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Bill Joyce (3B)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>12</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.29399999999999998">0.294</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>13</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>109</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>47</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.435">0.435</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">.435 C OBP, #6; HR Leader in 1896</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BENCH</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Scott Rolen (3B)</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">-</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.28199999999999997">0.282</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>30</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>109</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>13</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.374">0.374</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:str="'97 ROY; 5 GG; 2 All-Star">97 ROY; 5 GG; 2 All-Star</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BENCH</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Curt Flood (RF)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.29299999999999998">0.293</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>8</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>59</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>8</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.38900000000000001">0.389</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">3 All-Star; 7 GG</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BENCH</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Willie Wilson (CF)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.28499999999999998">0.285</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>3</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>44</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>50</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.32600000000000001">0.326</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">2 All-Star; 1 GG; 688 C SB, #12</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BENCH</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Jim Thome (1B)</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">-</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.28499999999999998">0.285</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>40</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>112</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.41099999999999998">0.411</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">3 All-Star; #13 C OPS, #15 C SLG</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>BENCH</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">David Justice (RF)</TD><TD class=xl27 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">-</TD><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.27900000000000003">0.279</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>31</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>102</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>5</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.378">0.378</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">90 ROY; 3 All-Star</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Bold = Hall of Fame
Well, the outfield is still weaker than I'd like, and the Wizard and Biggio better not get tired...but I like my team overall. Good blend of power and speed, and we have some great defensive players. Our rotation is great (in my opinion anyways :)), and we have a solid set of relievers as well. We also have a great mix of power and speed off the bench, not to mention defensive replacements. Though we might not have the star power of some teams, I think this team can get it done. Starting lineup:

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 345pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=461 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 109pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 5302" width=145><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 35pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 1718" span=4 width=47><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=64 height=17>Order</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 109pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=145>Name, Position</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=64>Average</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>HR</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>RBI</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>SB</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; WIDTH: 35pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=47>OBP</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>1)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Juan Pierre, CF</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.307">0.307</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>47</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>51</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.35699999999999998">0.357</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>2)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Craig Biggio, 2B</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.28699999999999998">0.287</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>15</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>67</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>28</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.375">0.375</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>3)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Frank Baker, 3B</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.307">0.307</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>10</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>102</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>24</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.36299999999999999">0.363</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>4)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Manny Ramirez, RF</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.317">0.317</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>41</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>134</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>4</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.41299999999999998">0.413</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>5)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Rafael Palmeiro, 1B</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.29099999999999998">0.291</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>33</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>106</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>6</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.373">0.373</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>6)</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Kevin Mitchell, LF</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.28399999999999997">0.284</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; 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BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Ozzie Smith, SS</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.26200000000000001">0.262</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>50</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>37</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-TOP: #c0c0c0; BORDER-LEFT: #c0c0c0; BORDER-BOTTOM: #c0c0c0; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="0.33700000000000002">0.337</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #c0c0c0; 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Not bad, if I do say so myself :)

[Suicane75]

Vince,
Griffey & Hershiser & Tannana for Koufax, your worst pitcher & your worst outfielder?

[Vince]

Suicane, I'm off to work, but your offer intrigues me. I'll look it over tonight.

[Honolulu Blue]

Suicane75:

Griffey would look good in Honolulu Blue and silver.

Let's throw a monkey wrench into the works... I'll take Griffey and Hershiser, while offering you your choice of one from Column A and one from Column B:

Column A:
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* Richie Ashburn - speedy, can pick it, good average.
* Eric Davis - blazing fast, righty with good pop.
* Kirk Gibson - very quick, lefty with good pop.

Column B:
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* Gaylord Perry - 300+ wins, HOF, great spitball.
* Bert Blyleven - almost 300 wins, legendary curveball.
* Wes Ferrell - good pitcher, good hitter, can swing.
* Bob Lemon - HOF, great record, good hitter.

[BishopMVP]

I'm extending the trading/finalizing rosters until Sunday night, because I don't want to post the polls over the weekend.

HB - My manager is Jimy Williams. THE Jimy Williams. ;)

[Suicane75]

HB, while I appreciate the offer I just can't give Griffey up for any of those Pitchers.

[ntndeacon]

Now i wish I had griffey for those offers...lol

[Suicane75]

Dont get me wrong, I strongly considered Perry, but in the end I couldn't convince myself to do it.

[ISiddiqui]

I gotta say that I like, my idealogical nemesis, Isiddiqui's roster a lot.

Your's isn't so bad itself ;). Your knowledge of Negro Leagues and Japanese Major Leagues has paid off handsomely. Gibson and Charleston are a great anchor.

But very good to great everywhere else including the best bench in the league. Tough to get through a season with six pitchers, though.

The statements go together ;). I wasn't planning on having such a large bench and few pitchers.. but I was outbid for my 7 & 8 pitchers. Ah well... at least I don't have many modern pitchers, these boys are expected to go the whole way ;).

[Honolulu Blue]

Bishop: Gotcha. Thanks.

Suicane75: I understand. I don't have any counteroffers, and unfortunately I have to leave in a few hours, so it's highly unlikely I will be making any trades before the deadline.

BUT... there's no reason not to have a longer trade deadline in the Diamond Mind sim, until, say, July 31 game time. It would require everyone to keep track of slightly different rosters, but you guys are all smart and I think you can handle it.

Now i wish I had griffey for those offers...lol

Well, I'll make a similar offer for the Babe. :D

Everyone: Would anyone like to volunteer to do a writeup of my team for the poll's first round? As mentioned elsewhere, I'll be away from Net access during that time. I'd do it myself, but I don't yet know the parameters. I won't blame you when I get torched, I promise. Thanks.

[BishopMVP]

BUT... there's no reason not to have a longer trade deadline in the Diamond Mind sim, until, say, July 31 game time. It would require everyone to keep track of slightly different rosters, but you guys are all smart and I think you can handle it.

Everyone: Would anyone like to volunteer to do a writeup of my team for the poll's first round? As mentioned elsewhere, I'll be away from Net access during that time. I'd do it myself, but I don't yet know the parameters. I won't blame you when I get torched, I promise. Thanks.
Didn't feel like separating these two.

On the first point, I want to make sure everyone knows that when I list deadlines now, it is for the poll aspect only. What HB is doing with Diamond Mind is completely up to him.

For the write-ups, I don't expect them to be long. I just expect a line-up/pitching staff/bench and a paragraph or so describing the advantages and strong points of your team.

[oykib]

Everyone: Would anyone like to volunteer to do a writeup of my team for the poll's first round? As mentioned elsewhere, I'll be away from Net access during that time. I'd do it myself, but I don't yet know the parameters. I won't blame you when I get torched, I promise. Thanks.

I'll take care of it for you if you want. I'll do a thorough job too. I am a pretty long-winded guy-- particularly when it comes to baseball.

[Honolulu Blue]

I'll take care of it for you if you want. I'll do a thorough job too. I am a pretty long-winded guy-- particularly when it comes to baseball.

Thanks. You're hired.

P.S. I've updated the dynasty thread (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?p=380321) with some notes, analysis, and wild guesses - er, I mean predictions. Nothing vital, but it might be interesting.

[ntndeacon]

[QUOTE=Honolulu Blue]


Well, I'll make a similar offer for the Babe. :D

Yes the problem is that I woulda done it for Griffey...but the Babe?....not so much. :)

[BishopMVP]

On the poll - I"m gonna take HB divisions, and combine them into 2 for Round 1. The top two vote getters in each division advance to the finals. If you want a team write-up, leave it in this thread or PM me in the next couple days. The poll will open either Late Sunday or Early Monday.

East:
Ramzavail
Isiddiqui
BishopMVP
vtbub
Honolulu Blue
Bearcat729
TheLionKing
Coffee Warlord

West:
Oykib
Chief Rum
Sooner333
Vince
Maple Leafs
ntndeacon
Suicane75
Booj

[oykib]

HB asked me to do his writeup because he is unavailable.

Lineup

C Ted Simmons S
1B Keith Hernandez L
2B Joe Morgan L
3B Mike Schmidt R
SS George Davis S
LF Charlie Keller L
Eric Davis R
CF Richie Ashburn L
Bobby Bonds R
RF Frank Robinson R

Bench

C Lance Parrish R
2B Lou Whitaker L
3B Darrell Evans L
SS Rico Petrocelli R
LF Kirk Gibson L

Rotation

SP1 Lefty Grove L
SP2 Gaylord Perry R
SP3 Bert Blyleven R
SP4 Jimmy Key L

Spot1 Wes Ferrel R
Spot2 Bob Lemon R
Spot3 John Hiller L

Set-L Hiller L
Set-R Duane Ward R
Jeff Montgomery R
Cls-L Hiller L
Cls-R Kent Tekulve R
Montgomery R

Players in boldface are Hall of Famers.

Key Players

1. Joe Morgan 2-time MVP 5-time Gold Glove second baseman
One of the most important, and most overlooked, abilities a team has is its
ability to turn double plays. Can the second baseman and shortstop get to
balls and turn two.
HB is set here with Mr. Morgan. Morgan was an amazing defensive player
and a great offensive player as well. Morgan was actually more productive than
Rogers Hornsby in the offensive context of his day. And Morgan was a great guy
to have in the clubhouse. Morgan?s average per 162 (and he played 150 games a year):

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP

567 101 154 27 6 16 69 42 10 114 62 .271 .392 .427 242 3 6 5 2 6

That's after losing big numbers when he played the first part of his career in
the Astrodome, which was hell for hitters. In today?s numbers, he?d be as valuable as
A-Rod.

2. Lefty Grove 1931 MVP Two-time pitching triple crown winner
Lefty Grove may be the greatest pitcher who ever lived. He was overlooked for
years, before the Sabermetric revolution, because he played in a big-hitting era.
Grove led the league in ERA+ ( the percentage that a pitcher is better
than the league ERA) nine times. He never ranked lower than eighth. In a
thirteen year career he finished 1, 8, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 4, 1, 1. He led in
strikeouts for seven straight years. He even led the league in saves once while,
incidentally, leading in Wins, Strikeouts, Games Pitched, ERA, and winning
percentage.
For Pedro Martinez to do what grove did, he'd have to duplicate his
1997-2003 production rate, while becoming durable enough to start 35 times a
year, and add that onto his career numbers.

3. Mike Schmidt 3-time MVP 10-time Gold Glove winner
Schmidt was the best hitting third baseman and the second-best fielding third
baseman in history. In our all-time league, having Schmidt and Hernandez
in the infield is essential. They totally destroy the other team?s ability to bunt
(both for sacrifices and for hits). That can't be underestimated in a league with
the amount of all-time speed burners we have.
Schmidt was an offensive powerhouse as well. He led the league in offensive
categories like it was going out of style: HR- 8 times, SLG- 5 times, OBP- 3 times,
OPS- 5 times, Runs- once, RBI- 4 times, Walks- 4 times, OPS+- 6 times,
HBP- once, SF- twice, TB- 3 times, X-base hits- 5 times.
With the exception of Bonds, no recent player has dominated the league so much.

4. Frank Robinson 2-time MVP 1966 Triple Crown winner
Frank Robinson is likely the most underrated power hitting outfielder of all time.
He hit 586 career homers. He also could run, throw, hit for average, and played a
solid outfield. Bill James has him ranked as one of the best percentage players
(the smartest) in history. Earl Weaver continually lauded his intelligent approach
to the game.
Robinson is number twelve all-time in Gray Ink (top ten finishes in offensive
categories). That is a testament to his all-around game. And, despite playing with a
number of all-time greats running around during his prime, his Black Ink number is
good as well (he is 42nd all-time with a 35). He is also still the only player to win the
MVP in both leagues.

Unknown Guys

George Davis Davis was a switch hitter who played a solid short. His
career OPS+ was 121. With Morgan he forms one the most solid double play
combinations in he league.

[oykib]

Here's my squad.

Nishinomiya Nine

Owner: Oykib
Manager: Billy Southworth 1044 - 744 .597 4 Pennants, 2 Championships
Stadium: Koshien Stadium

Lineup

LF Tim Raines S
2B John Henry Lloyd L SS, 1B
CF Oscar Charleston L 1B
C Josh Gibson R
RF Vladimir Guerrero R
1B Eddie Murray S
3B Shigeo Nagashima R
SS Barry Larkin R

Bench

C Katsuya Nomura R
C Louis Santop L 1B, RF, LF
2B Max Bishop R
3B Ray Dandridge R SS, 2B
3B Chipper Jones S LF
CF Larry Doby L OF, 2B, SS
CF Jim Edmonds L

Rotation

Sp1 Smokey Joe Williams RHP
Sp2 Robin Roberts RHP
Sp3 Masaichi Kaneda LHP
Sp4 Dazzy Vance RHP

Spot1 Ron Guidry LHP
Spot2 Bullet Joe Rogan RHP

Long1 Sal Maglie RHP
Long2 Mel Parnell LHP

Set-R Mike Mussina RHP
Set-L Harry Brecheen LHP

Close Bullet Joe Rogan RHP Every position but catcher

Players in boldface are in the Hall of Fame.
Players in italics are members of a foreign Hall of Fame

Key Players

1. Josh Gibson Probably the greatest right-handed power hitter of all-time.
Mr. Gibson combined that with a high average and the ability to almost never strikeout.
But best of all, he did it while being a very good defensive catcher. He moved well and
had an excellent throwing arm. His homer rate was comparable to Ruth's but he didn't
walk nearly as much, although he was like Joe Dimaggio or Yogi Berra and very rarely
struck out despite his incredible power. Had he played in the majors, he might have been
the only player in history to hit over five hundred homers and have fewer strikeouts
than home runs. He also, like Ruth, hit for one of the highest career averages in his
league while hitting all those dingers.

2. Oscar Charleston Was very much like Gibson, and all the true greats,
in that he had a skill set that doesn't really match up with anyone in history. The two
players he is most often compared to are Ty Cobb ad Willie Mays. He had the same
high spikes, take no prisoners attitude as Cobb. But he was closer to Mays or Dimaggio
with his skill set. Considered the most perfect all around player by many experts. Had
more speed than Mays, though likely not as much power. Played the Tris Speaker,
Andruw Jones, Paul Blair style of centerfield-- 50 feet behind second base and
outrunning the deep fly balls.

3. Robin Roberts A super durable pitcher. Roberts had among the highest
workloads in history and continued to be the best or among the best pitchers in the NL.
Roberts, despite an excellent fastball, didn't have a high K rate. Rather, he pitched
to the deep outfield in Philly and allowed Ashburn to run under everything-- good
control and excellent when pitching head in the count.

4. Bullet Joe Rogan Perhaps the most underrated player in history-- he or
Tris Speaker. Rogan was the second best pitcher of the later era of the Negro Leagues.
the Satchel Paige, Josh Gibson era. But he wasn't just a pitcher. He has the tenth
highest career average in Negro League history. He also had good power-- hitting almost 40
homers per 550 Abs in his career.
I was actually very surprised by his accomplishments. I originally picked him up
in a later round because I knew he was a sidearmer and figured him to be the Jeff Nelson
of my 'pen. But the more I researched him the more I began to see his true greatness.
Rogan was an excellent defensive player. He was considered the best defensive pitcher
in the league. But that doesn't tell the story. He batted cleanup for his teams.
But they kept him in the lineup even when he didn't pitch. He didn't just get
stuck at first either. He most often played second base or centerfield, although he
played everywhere. He would, almost certainly, have been the most valuable player
Win Share per season-wise in the Negro Leagues. Unfortunately, he started his career
late. He spent ten years in the army before joining the leagues at 27 or 28.

5. John Henry "Pop" Lloyd The best shortstop in Negro League History.
Is most often referred to as the 'black Honus Wagner'. He had similar
production in the Negro leagues as Wagner had in the Majors. He led the
league in Bating Average several times, including the highest single season
record. He led and at various points in homers and other stats as well.
The stats in the Negro Leagues were iffy to say the least. But we have
a clear idea of his abilities. He was considered the best Shortstop in his league-- particularly adept at turning the double play. He also played second
and-- when he was older-- first. But he did it as ne of the best offensive
players of his day-- the best in his prime. And he continued to perform at an
All-Star level into his mid-forties.
His biggest contribution may have been his ability to mentor young
players. He managed and brought up a number of players and picked up the
nickname 'Pop' from the youngsters who respected him so much. I think he
can do the job as my captain.

Other unknown guys

Smokey Joe Williams The best pitcher from the early era of the Negro Leagues.
Satchel Paige called him the best pitcher that he had ever seen. Williams got the
Nickname Cyclone after striking out twenty of the then National League Champion
New York Giants in an exhibition game. He was a huge Right-hander who threw
hard.

Ray Dandridge The highest rated third baseman in the Negro Leagues. He
was actually a shortstop. But he most often played third and occasionally second because
because he was on a team with Willie Wells. He was a consistent .300 hitter and ran
extremely well. His defense, though, gets the most praise.
He was extremely bow-legged and the most common quote about him was that
A train could go through his legs, but a baseball never did. His defense is usually
compared to Brooks Robinson. He also had a pedestrian arm for a third baseman
but always seemed to get the guy at first and was like a vacuum for anything hit to his
area.

Louis Santop The second rated catcher in Negro League history. He was a huge
Lefty-hitting power hitter. He was also a good defensive catcher. He had a great
Arm, but was not very mobile. He was an excellent plate blocker.

Masaichi Kaneda The greatest pitcher in Japanese history. He holds the records
For career Wins, Innings, Games Started, Strikeouts, etc. His team, the Swallows,
pitched his arm off to the tune of 360 innings a year in a 130 or 140 game season.
Freakishly, he never sustained a serious injury but pitched with lowered effectiveness
from all his abuse for most of his career. That lowered level still left him at or near
the top of the league for most of his career. His early seasons are truly amazing.

Katsuya Nomura He was the greatest power hitter in Japanese Baseball before Oh
broke all his records. Nomura was a catcher but played almost every game and caught
for over 25 years. Ranks #2 of Japanese ballplayers all-time in most evaluations.

Shigeo Nagashima The most loved and respected player in Japanese baseball.
He was the captain of the Yomiuri Giants team that won nine consecutive championships.
He was a gold glove third baseman for every year the award was given during his career.
He was also a .300 with good power who could steal 20-30 bases a year. He batted
cleanup for the Giants team with Oh. Is loved nationally as the smartest and most clutch
ballplayer in Japanese history-- a reputaion he solidified by becoming the greatest
manager. Ranks #3 in most evaluations of Japanese ballplayers.

[oykib]

bump...

Are we going to have a discussion thread for each division before we set up the poll?

[BishopMVP]

vtbub

Concepcion, Dave - 10
Dibble, Rob - 45
Garvey, Steve - 30
Lee, Bill - 10
Martin, Billy (2B) - 35
Martin, Pepper - 20
Perranoski, Ron - 25
Podres, Johnny - 15
Wood, Wilbur - 15
Brock, Lou - 20
Fisk, Carlton - 35
Garciaparra, Nomar - 5
Kaat, Jim - 15
McCarver, Tim - 1
Puckett, Kirby - 30
Remy, Jerry - 5
Rice, Jim - 30
Sutter, Bruce - 50
Torre, Joe - 75 (mgr)
Trammell, Alan - 10
Yastrzemski, Carl - 15
Young, Cy - 25
Buckner, Bill - 3
Hahn, Noodles - 10
Martinez, Edgar - 25
Newcombe, Don - 15

Ramzavail

Alomar, Roberto - 35
Boggs, Wade - 25
Cochrane, Mickey - 25
Dawson, Andre - 31
Gooden, Dwight - 20
Johnson, Davey - 10 (mgr)
Klein, Chuck - 25
McGraw, Tug - 15
Molitor, Paul - 41
Piazza, Mike - 61
Richard, JR - 15
Simmons, Al - 41
Bagwell, Jeff - 46
Franco, John - 46
Galvin, Pud - 66
Glavine, Tom - 41
Jeter, Derek - 87
Oh, Sadaharu - 82
Pujols, Albert - 22
Reardon, Jeff - 56
Spalding, Al - 81
Thomas, Frank - 51
Travis, Cecil - 11
Cuyler, Kiki - 21
Rice, Sam - 20
Soriano, Alfonso - 26

sooner333

Bonds, Barry - 200
Cobb, Ty - 65
Latham, Arlie - 1
McGwire, Mark - 1
Appling, Luke - 47
Brown, Kevin - 13
Cepeda, Orlando - 52
Giles, Brian - 17
Mack, Connie - 12 (mgr)
Marichal, Juan - 111
Parker, Dave - 13
Santiago, Benito - 11
Stephens, Vern - 21
Suzuki, Ichiro - 79
Thigpen, Bobby - 3
Urbina, Ugueth - 12
Willis, Dontrelle - 1
Wynn, Early - 93
Bradford, Chad - 1
Canseco, Jose - 20
Cicotte, Eddie - 80
Dotel, Octavio - 1
Durham, Ray - 1
Matthews, Bobby - 33
McGraw, John (3B) - 83
Ward, John - 41

[BishopMVP]

BishopMVP’s Team

Defense

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 178pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=237 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 130pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 6326" width=173><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=64 height=17>C</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 130pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=173>Buck Ewing</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Rick Ferrell</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>1B</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Dan Brouthers</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Mo Vaughn</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>2B</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Jeff Kent</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Frank White</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>3B</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Matt Williams</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Judy Johnson</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SS</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Willie Wells</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Bert Campaneris</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>LF</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Ted Williams</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>CF</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Hack Wilson</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RF</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Larry Walker</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Vada Pinson</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Dom DiMaggio</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Utility - Martin Dihigo</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Pitching

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 182pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=243 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 134pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 6546" width=179><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 48pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=64 height=17>SP1</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 134pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=179>Christy Mathewson</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SP2</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Pedro Martinez</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SP3</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Satchel Paige</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SP4</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Old Hoss Radbourn</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>SPOT</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Leon Day</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Long</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Hilton Smith</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RP1</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Roy Face</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>RP2</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Mike Marshall</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Closer</TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Troy Percival</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


And of course, they are led by the immortal Jimy Williams.

Pros: Best Pitching Staff bar none. Ted Williams may be the best hitter ever. The rest should be good enough to score a few runs a game, and with Christy Mathewson, Pedro and Satchel Paige, that should be enough.

Cons: Didn't get great infielders. Although they are all very good players, only Buck Ewing comes close to being considered the best ever at his position.

[ntndeacon]

Lineup
1. Lloyd Waner CF
2. Rod Carew 2B
3. George Herman "THE BABE" Ruth RF
4. Joe "Ducky" Medwick LF
5. Jake Beckley 1B
6. Phil Rizzuto SS
7. George Kell 3B
8. Elston Howard C

Bench
C Jorge Posada
1B Roger Conner
2B Nellie Fox
SS Rabbit Maranville
3B Ron Cey
LF Goose Goslin
CF Turkey Stearnes
RF "Wee" Willie Keeler

Pitching Staff
Starters:
SP Ted Lyons
SP Eppa Rixey
SP Mickey Welch
SP Tim Keefe
SP Red Ruffing
"Bullpen":
Jesse Haines
Herb Pennock
Wilbur Cooper
Catfish Hunter

Strengths:
Well right field to be sure. beside Ruth(the best player EVER)(and who can pitch decently in a pinch) Keeler is not a slouch. Defense is solid. Also have a lot of speed. Most of the team are Hall of Famers (Cey, Cooper,Howard, Posada are the ONLY exceptions)Plus I have 2 all time leaders in homers (Roger Conner held the record prior to Ruth)
Weaknesses:
Probably need a bit more power.

[Honolulu Blue]

Oykib: Thanks for the writeup. Really appreicate it. Nice job.

One thing I want to mention is that the manager of this motley bunch is Hall of Famer [b]Joe McCarthy[b], who managed for 24 seasons and never had a losing record. Never. You can look it up for yourself. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/mccarjo99.shtml).

P.S. The first two weeks (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=21129) of my little DMB experiment is up. Take a look at it if you're interested and have time.

[oykib]

Hey, HB. What did you do to my players?!;)

I've got a spreadsheet that gives a weighted average of six chosen seasons of a players career. I don't have anywhrer to host. But I can send it to you if you want it. To see the results, you can go to the poll #1 thread. Here's an example of Joe Morgan with a peak year of 1975, covering years 1972-77:


Name Years G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG TB HBP

Joe Morgan 1972-7 148 511 111 157 28 5 21 87 61 11 121 54 0.307 0.442 0.505 258 3