Kerry Screwed!

[stevew]

Well I should say, Kerry Screwing.


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU FEB 12, 2004 11:45:28 ET XXXXX

CAMPAIGN DRAMA ROCKS DEMOCRATS: KERRY FIGHTS OFF MEDIA PROBE OF RECENT ALLEGED INFIDELITY, RIVALS PREDICT RUIN

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A frantic behind-the-scenes drama is unfolding around Sen. John Kerry and his quest to lockup the Democratic nomination for president, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

Intrigue surrounds a woman who recently fled the country, reportedly at the prodding of Kerry, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

A serious investigation of the woman and the nature of her relationship with Sen. John Kerry has been underway at TIME magazine, ABC NEWS, the WASHINGTON POST, THE HILL and the ASSOCIATED PRESS, where the woman in question once worked.

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A close friend of the woman first approached a reporter late last year claiming fantastic stories -- stories that now threaten to turn the race for the presidency on its head!

In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.]

The Kerry commotion is why Howard Dean has turned increasingly aggressive against Kerry in recent days, and is the key reason why Dean reversed his decision not to drop out of the race after Wisconsin, top campaign sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.



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[corbes]

Guilty until proven innocent.

edit- I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying...

[Havok]

Guilty until proven innocent.

edit- I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying...


welcome to politics........

[corbes]

welcome to politics........

yeah, I know. *sigh*

[Barkeep49]

Drudge can't be trusted.

[Senator]

The only thing that can kill you politically is getting caught with a live boy or a dead girl.

[Flasch186]

not surprising......everyone has their secrets. If he comes out and admits it when it is proven as true Ill actually Appreciate his honesty, if he hides it poorly (like Clinton did), Ill understand but not necessarily respect that choice (any man would fear infidelity accusations more than anything and try to squirm out of them), BUT it wont change my decision to vote for him if he is the dem. nominee. I dont believe that someone's infidelity should alter your view as president or potential president and I feel this way no matter what party the person is in. Bush Sr. was accused of infidelity as well and to me, it did not matter, I respected the fact that Bush Sr. raised taxes when he felt he had to, and went to war to push back aggression in Iraq, I have the utmost respect for him. I have no respect for his son, Bush Jr. (Ive only agreed with one decision he's made and that was initially removing Saddam hussein from power everything after the war has been a debacle and all of his other decisions smack against my beliefs)

Kerry will likely be found to have had an affair as the Drudge report is usually dead on but I think it provides an opportunity for Kerry to show strength. I hope he doesnt squirm and "Cowboy's up" :)

[stevew]

Drudge can't be trusted.

Yeah, because he clearly wasnt right on that Monica Lewinski Stuff. Yeah, Drudge is definately Right of Center, but He's probably had this for a week at least. This is you top story on the nightly news fellas.

[GrantDawg]

Guilty until proven innocent.

edit- I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying...
This is the court of public opinion, not a court of law. Depending on the charge, it is not likely that any illegalities are being presented, so there will be no call for a jury of his peers. It will be how it is all spinned by the press handlers.

IMHO, unless the charge is something serious (rape, sexual harassment, though even the last doesn't have good track record of hurting candidates), most likely this will be a mere blip on the whole process. As a matter of fact, it might even be something that the Kerry people are leaking themselves to raise their candidate’s "cool" or "sympathy" quotient.

[stevew]

dola~
And isnt it a bit ironic he would potentially have been cheating on his "Heiress meal ticket?"

[gstelmack]

The only thing that can kill you politically is getting caught with a live boy or a dead girl.
Unless you're Ted Kennedy...

[SplitPersonality1]

The only thing that can kill you politically is getting caught with a live boy or a dead girl.
Not necessarily. Look at Ted Kennedy.

[corbes]

"Rivals Predict Ruin"

that sounds a tabloid headline.

[Ksyrup]

Stupid, not ironic.

[Senator]

Unless you're Ted Kennedy...

A caveat. With the Kennedy's, the normal rules have never applied.

[stevew]

Not necessarily. Look at Ted Kennedy.

Well that killed Kennedy's chance of being the President. Him still being a senator in that whacked out state is a given.

[Fonzie]

Yeah, because he clearly wasnt right on that Monica Lewinski Stuff. Yeah, Drudge is definately Right of Center, but He's probably had this for a week at least. This is you top story on the nightly news fellas.

Throw enough shit at the wall and some of it will stick.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah, because he clearly wasnt right on that Monica Lewinski Stuff. Yeah, Drudge is definately Right of Center, but He's probably had this for a week at least. This is you top story on the nightly news fellas.
My problem isn't with his being right of center, my problem is with his piss poor journalism. I congradulate him on getting Lewinski right, but since he has gotten so much wrong I stand by my original statement that he can't be trusted.

[SirFozzie]

Funny how CNN etcetera hasn't picked this up.

Drudge is a republican propagandist.

[The Afoci]

Funny how CNN etcetera hasn't picked this up.

Drudge is a republican propagandist.

Is this pretty much accepted by everyone? I don't really know? I check Drudge everyday, but I always kind of thought he was bash everyone. Maybe not though...

[stevew]

Funny how CNN etcetera hasn't picked this up.

Drudge is a republican propagandist.
This just broke within the last hour.

[Fonzie]

Funny how CNN etcetera hasn't picked this up.

Drudge is a republican propagandist.

Most major news outlets are probably aware of this by now and are engaged in legitimate fact-finding to verify or refute this story. I'd imagine it might be a day or two (or more) before this whole thing shakes out in the mainstream media.

[SirFozzie]

I repeat. Propaganda.

Just like them tying Jane Fonda to John Kerry's anti-war protests. By the time Fonda joined the anti-war politics groups. John Kerry was out of the movement and running for Congress (1972). It's amazing the amount of mud they throw on the "Vietnam issue" where there's still a lot of doubt about how BUSH spent his Vietnam War years..

Simply despicable.

[Ben E Lou]

The odd change in behavior by Dean is interesting (but then again, Dean is a little odd.... ;)). We'll see where this goes.

[Senator]

I just still have this gut feeling about Edwards. Something keeps telling me he is going to slip in there somehow.

[Fonzie]

I just still have this gut feeling about Edwards. Something keeps telling me he is going to slip in there somehow.

*rimshot*

[stevew]

I repeat. Propaganda.

Just like them tying Jane Fonda to John Kerry's anti-war protests. By the time Fonda joined the anti-war politics groups. John Kerry was out of the movement and running for Congress (1972). It's amazing the amount of mud they throw on the "Vietnam issue" where there's still a lot of doubt about how BUSH spent his Vietnam War years..

Simply despicable.


Man, If anything I prefer Edwards to Kerry or Bush. This aint Propaganda, this is legitimate news. We just arent used to seeing it break like this.

[SirFozzie]

Legitimate and Drudge Report in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

Rumor Monger for Hire and Drudge Report, maybe.

[Barkeep49]

What do you mean we aren't used to seeing it break like this?

[GrantDawg]

I heard about this three days ago on talk radio. There is going to be a big write-up on this in one of the major newspapers (either NY Times or Washington Post) in the next few days. Again, it'll be a big story but end up not hurting Kerry much.

[SirFozzie]

Apparently (per Drudge's further report) this is more than 4 years old, as it factored into the decision not to make Kerry the VP in 2000.

So, this is not an ongoing thing, as Drudge so breathlessly described.

[Qwikshot]

The only thing that can kill you politically is getting caught with a live boy or a dead girl.

Uhm, Gary Hart...

[GrantDawg]

Apparently (per Drudge's further report) this is more than 4 years old, as it factored into the decision not to make Kerry the VP in 2000.

So, this is not an ongoing thing, as Drudge so breathlessly described.
One of the stories that is going to make rounds is that on the night of his wedding, Kerry had a fling with a model. No, none of this stuff is new. It is actually a well known thing in political circles that Kerry has a taste for the ladies.

[Senator]

Gary Hart could be elected to some seat if he chose to.

Uhm, Bill Clinton.

[rkmsuf]

It's all this just standard operating procedure? I mean what is the story here?

[GrantDawg]

Uhm, Gary Hart...
How many years ago was that? Clinton had much worse blow up before the first time he was elected (Jennifer Flowers, anyone?), and it was just a minor bump that ended up making little/no impact.

[wig]

I tried to get an intern at my old job.

[corbes]

So..... why tell this story now? What's with that?

[wig]

Hey intern! Time to answer the meat phone!

[rkmsuf]

I tried to get an intern at my old job.

I think the story here is Kerry having sex with women...

[Qwikshot]

Gary Hart could be elected to some seat if he chose to.

Uhm, Bill Clinton.

I was just stating that there are some exceptions...it was 1987, I was 12. Perhaps Clinton (like Teddie, though Teddie never became Prez) had better charisma than Hart, or perhaps, the voting public was just tired of Republicans...

There has probably been much infidelity in the presidency, but I think Hart was quite popular.

I'm not getting into a debate with a Senator, but the theory can be proven false just as much as it can be proven true.

[Qwikshot]

You gotta admit Donna Rice looked a hell of a lot better than anything Clinton screwed.

hxxp://www.tvrundown.com/polhart2.htm

[Senator]

A good friend of mine has a theory that makes alot of sense. He went back and looked at scandals that took down a person running for the Presidency. He noticed that once that scandal officially was the cause of the person losing the race, no candidate that came after suffered the same fate for the same scandal. It was an amazing study. A perfect example of that would be Hart/Clinton.

[sachmo71]

I heart politics. If you can't beat a man with the issues, destroy him.

[Fonzie]

Throw enough shit at the wall and some of it will stick.

The corrollary: throw enough shit at a fan and some of it will fly back in your face. :)

[QuikSand]

A good friend of mine has a theory that makes alot of sense. He went back and looked at scandals that took down a person running for the Presidency. He noticed that once that scandal officially was the cause of the person losing the race, no candidate that came after suffered the same fate for the same scandal. It was an amazing study. A perfect example of that would be Hart/Clinton.

I share this theory... and felt Hart-Clinton was the finishing touch.

[GrantDawg]

I share this theory... and felt Hart-Clinton was the finishing touch.
Why do you think that is? Does the first scandal desensitizes people for the second? Or is it that the morals get more lose year by year and things become accepted? Or maybe a little of both? (I agree with the theory, too, by the way).

[QuikSand]

I reckon a litte of both.

Think about how we (the voting public) have responded to allegations of past drug use by political candidates. It was once a third rail... then later became a softer issue... then, in 1988, the Dem candidates were practically falling all over themselves to confess to using pot. Then, in 2000, probably half of the people who voted for the winner would say that they believe he had used "hard" drugs like cocaine. Times change.

[GrantDawg]

I reckon a litte of both.

Think about how we (the voting public) have responded to allegations of past drug use by political candidates. It was once a third rail... then later became a softer issue... then, in 1988, the Dem candidates were practically falling all over themselves to confess to using pot. Then, in 2000, probably half of the people who voted for the winner would say that they believe he had used "hard" drugs like cocaine. Times change.
That was the exact same second example I would have used. It is interesting that the last big sacrificial lamb to the drug scandal was not a candidate running for office but a Republican Supreme Court nominee (Robert Bork if my memory is not mistaking).

[Fonzie]

If this story needs another nail in its coffin - and I'm not sure it does - it can be provided by Gen. Wesley Clark himself, who is apparently set to endorse Kerry on a campaign stop in Wisconsin. Why would he do so if he was truly in on the "scandalous" information, and believed as Drudge suggests that it would derail his candidacy?

[rkmsuf]

If this story needs another nail in its coffin - and I'm not sure it does - it can be provided by Gen. Wesley Clark himself, who is apparently set to endorse Kerry on a campaign stop in Wisconsin. Why would he do so if he was truly in on the "scandalous" information, and believed as Drudge suggests that it would derail his candidacy?

Perhaps it was a group activity...

[albionmoonlight]

Bush allegedly used his family money and influence to get out of military obligations.

Kerry allegedly used his money and power to boink some intern.

Perhaps I am too cynical for my own good, but I don't see either of these as an issue that will get me to vote or not vote for a guy. I just assume that anyone in the position that these guys are in really likes power and will use that power at times to get things that others don't have.

[cuervo72]

A good friend of mine has a theory that makes alot of sense. He went back and looked at scandals that took down a person running for the Presidency. He noticed that once that scandal officially was the cause of the person losing the race, no candidate that came after suffered the same fate for the same scandal. It was an amazing study. A perfect example of that would be Hart/Clinton.

So THAT's why we haven't seen Teapot Dome II...

[Senator]

excellent

[vtbub]

LOL

Dean's a weenie anyway.

[Flasch186]

YEEEE - AAAAHHHHH

[CamEdwards]

I understand the character issues raised by the "Bush AWOL" stuff and now this, but I really would like to bash the candidates based on the issues.

An update, by the way: Drudge now says the affair started in 2001 and continued right up until Kerry's decision to run for president.

[WussGawd]

Yawn.

Survey after survey shows that something just over half of all marriages have at least one bout of infidelity. Heck in the days of netsex and AIM, it's probably more than half. The fact that a Presidential candidate has sex outside of marriage should not be all that much of a shock, whether he is a Democrat or Republican.

The only potentially important part of this story, if it is true, which is never certain with Drudge, *if* it receives mainstream media play (and so far, it hasn't) would be how Kerry handled questions surrounding it.

[ISiddiqui]

Clinton and especially Shwarzenegger have shown that infidelity isn't a big deal in American politics anymore.

[cody8200]

However both of the above are democrats...I dont think republican voters would take kindly to this. If this is true people who were leaning to Kerry but were in the middle might vote bush.

[SirFozzie]

Druge can't keep his shit straight apparently.

First it cost Kerry the vp slot in 2000, now it started in 2001..

Yawn....

[Glengoyne]

That was the exact same second example I would have used. It is interesting that the last big sacrificial lamb to the drug scandal was not a candidate running for office but a Republican Supreme Court nominee (Robert Bork if my memory is not mistaking).
I think it was Ginsburg. He had been smoking pot with his Ivy League charges while teaching law school. I still find it hard to believe that Bork was even nominated. I don't have a problem with a right leaning Supreme Court, but for goodness sakes character and Integrity should mean something. Bork had neither.

[stevew]

My wife and I were talking about this today after work. She, the ardent Democrat, claimed, this isnt really a big deal, the infidelity and all. Then I mentioned, if that was the case, something about knowing some hot chicks at work. You know, cause this isnt a big deal or anything.

[sterlingice]

My wife and I were talking about this today after work. She, the ardent Democrat, claimed, this isnt really a big deal, the infidelity and all. Then I mentioned, if that was the case, something about knowing some hot chicks at work. You know, cause this isnt a big deal or anything.
Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Communist, Green Party member or whatever, you should know that's not a good idea ;)

SI

[JPhillips]

As of this morning at least two of the major news organiizations he says are working on the story say they are in fact not working on this story.Whether the basic line is true or not, Drudge's version has a lot of holes in it.

[SirFozzie]

It gets even better.

He quoted someone (Clark's Campaign Manager) as saying that this had cost Kerry in 2000 (he was being considered for the VP spot). Now, hours after he posted it, it's apparently gone.

Can you say, BACKFIRE?

[Maple Leafs]

Matt Drudge is not well respected in media circles, for various reasons. However, it's not really related to the accuracy of what he reports.

Drudge's MO is pretty much two-fold. First, the majority of stories that he reports are simply other people's work, linked to from his site. His home page is 90% made up of links from other sources that he collects and posts. Not much hard work there.

The other area of his work in his "original" reporting, which isn't really original at all. He just gets wind of what other people are working on (not hard to do in the reporting world), does some basic verification, and goes out with the story. If the a major paper is working on a story for a week, checking every detail, verifying sources, etc.... Drudge will come in and scoop them a few days before.

Most of his breaking news stories are just "this paper is getting ready to report" and "this reporter seems to think", that sort of thing. Any information he actually uncovers himself is usually just a case of someone with an axe to grind sending him the scoop because they know he'll run with it. For the most part, he's not doing journalism but rather meta-reporting.

So why is he famous? For "breaking" the Lewinsky story, sure, although he didn't really uncover anything that the rest of the reporting pool didn't know. He's also a good self-promoter, and he was a nice story a few years back during the Internet bubble.

He's in the business of self-promotion, and he gets his scoops only because he has lower standards for greenlighting a story. He's not in the business of making things up, and he's not even especially right-leaning -- he'll light up anyone if it gets his name in the papers. If this AWOL Bush thing really takes hold, I'm sure Drudge will be leading the charge.

So take the guy with a grain of salt. He's not the sort to make this stuff up, so I don't doubt that there's something to this Kerry talk. Sometimes, where there's smoke there's fire. Sometimes, there's just smoke. Just don't expect Drudge to be the guy to sort it out.

[SirFozzie]

"LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie criticized Democrats on Thursday for questioning President Bush's military service, calling it "the dirtiest campaign in modern presidential politics."

Pot, this is Kettle. You are a Black Hole.

[kcchief19]

The fact that some morons take Druge seriously is one hell of a salute to democracy. Show me one story that Drudge got right and I'll show you 10 he got so bass-ackwards wrong it's not even funny. And even the ones he gets right are often lifted from other sources. Heck, he ripped the Monica Lewinsky story from The Enquirer. As Sir Fozzie has pointed out, on this Kerry story even Drudge can't keep his lies in logical order. If, as he quotes, Clark "knew" about this, why would he been endorsing him today? He'd still be in the race if he "knew" that.

I've often been fascinated by the theory that Senator put forward early, because it really does seem to be true, although I think timing can play a big part in it. Clinton survived the Flowers claims in '92 because there was no smoking gun. In Hart's case, there were pictures. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that if Clinton were able to run for a third term, he probably would have won. Go figure.

[GrantDawg]

I think it was Ginsburg. He had been smoking pot with his Ivy League charges while teaching law school. I still find it hard to believe that Bork was even nominated. I don't have a problem with a right leaning Supreme Court, but for goodness sakes character and Integrity should mean something. Bork had neither.
I think your right (on both accounts). I wanted to say Ginsberg first, but I get the two confused.

[Samdari]

My wife and I were talking about this today after work. She, the ardent Democrat, claimed, this isnt really a big deal, the infidelity and all. Then I mentioned, if that was the case, something about knowing some hot chicks at work. You know, cause this isnt a big deal or anything.

How'd that go over?

[corbes]

The New York Post was at my high school today. Turns out they were looking for yearbooks, because they believe that Kerry's intern is a 1995 graduate of our school. I did go to school with her for one year.

Though I don't know her well, I do know people who were very close friends with her. They don't seem to know anything about it, so I'm not sure how much weight this story has.

[yabanci]

Maybe I missed something, but exactly when did this Drudge character become "America's most trusted newsman"? Are we supposed to take him seriously with headlines like "Last one in John Kerry's pants is a rotten egg!" and "reporting" like "For those who are scoring at home, the mainstream press only took a few hours to follow serious newsman Matt Drudge on an undercover mission into Kerry's pants."

I don't know who Kerry has screwed in his life, but this is some really pathetic drivel.

[Buccaneer]

Maybe I missed something, but exactly when did this Drudge character become "America's most trusted newsman"? Are we supposed to take him seriously with headlines like "Last one in John Kerry's pants is a rotten egg!" and "reporting" like "For those who are scoring at home, the mainstream press only took a few hours to follow serious newsman Matt Drudge on an undercover mission into Kerry's pants."

I don't know who Kerry has screwed in his life, but this is some really pathetic drivel.
He broke the Monica Lewinski story (and a few others I believe). Been around for quite a while.

[Bubba Wheels]

Drudge got respected when he dared to print the story while others who may have had it first coward in their boots (Time had the Lewinsky story and sat on it, why?)
Now Drudge has one if not the biggest hit net sites existing, because everyone knows if its big he will probably have it first, if at all.

[Senator]

corbes,

I liked the wig story. should have left it in.

[kcchief19]

Pfft. Nobody was cowarding int their boots. It was Newsweek that had the story first on Lewinsky, but didn't print it because they didn't have a smoking gun -- they had a lot of innuendo and gossip, but not enough proof to satsify their editors. Funny how a lot of people snipe at the media for "reckless" reporting, then snipe at the media for responsible reporting, too.

Drudge had no qualms. While Newsweek was still debating the story, the Inquirer got the scent and was ready to go. Enter Drudge, who hears the rumors about the story and prints them.

I don't think I nor anyone else will say that Drudge doesn't occassionally get a story right. But the "news" he puts on his site has a low accuracy rating and is often overrated. Take for example his claim that The Times in London picked up his Kerry rumor and ran it in the "lead" position, along with a link to a jpg of the newspaper where you couldn't the story.

Funny thing is, if you looked at the jpg, anyone could clearly see that it was not the lead story -- it was the secondary story with a smaller headline font and less column inches. Then if you went to The Times and read the story, you'd see the lead of the article and the headline actually referenced claims over Bush's military record. Drudge's Kerry rumors were mentioned, but they were not the focus of the article. Kind of like Ann Coulter when in her book she accused The New York Times of not covering Dale Earnhardt's death for four days, except she ignored the front-page story on the day following his death.

Even if he ends up being right on this, I hate to think of people thinking of Drudge as a journalist. His a hack with no integrity or scruples.

[BishopMVP]

I couldn't care less about the infidelity of politicians when voting for him, but the responses to this are interesting.

Stuff like this - http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/02/12/john_kerrys_shifting_stands/ - is more why I don't really think John Kerry is the best Democrat for the job. Also, it was interesting that in Virginia and Tennessee, where Kerry won pretty handily, in exit polls he actually got less voters than Edwards from people who said they voted on the "positions" of candidates, and from moderates. Kerry's most popular quality was his "electability". I've seen enough of Kerry to know that he's not the best the Democratic party can come up with, but it seems most Democrats are so obsessed with their hatred of George Bush that they don't care. If Bush wins in November, the reactions of these people will be amusing.

[yabanci]

Drudge got respected when he dared to print the story while others who may have had it first coward in their boots (Time had the Lewinsky story and sat on it, why?)
Now Drudge has one if not the biggest hit net sites existing, because everyone knows if its big he will probably have it first, if at all.

He "dared" printing something about Monica Lewinsky and he's now "America's most trusted newsman"??? You must be joking.

[BishopMVP]

he's now "America's most trusted newsman"??? You must be joking.
When did anyone here say that?

[yabanci]

When did anyone here say that?

HE says that. Read the first line of his "report."

[BishopMVP]

HE says that. Read the first line of his "report."
Ahhh. I thought because you quoted Bubba Wheels, then used quotes once around something Bubba said, you were inferring that Bubba said or meant what you put in quotes the second time.

[Ryan S]

For what it is worth, some British newspapers are printing the name of the woman and interviews with her family.

[The Afoci]

This is interesting, although, most everyone already knows it goes both ways.

Here (http://www.drudgereport.com/mattht.htm)

[Ryan S]

For what it is worth, some British newspapers are printing the name of the woman and interviews with her family.Most of the papers I have seen are now printing pictures of the woman. This does not make the rumor true, but it does suggest that it is not going to go away anytime soon.

[SirFozzie]

The fact that nobody here in the US even referenced the stories in a few days is a pretty good indicator (at least that I have read, and I hit most of the news sites out there). THe British Papers are much more in the muckrakingbuisness then they are here. I wouldn't put much stock (if any) in what the Scandal Sheets are doing.

[NoMyths]

Drudge got it wrong. (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040216/D80OG9380.html)
Turns out the woman in question dated Kerry's campaign finance chief. Gotta love a little mudslinging slung wrong. :)

[Maple Leafs]

Drudge got it wrong. (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040216/D80OG9380.html)
Turns out the woman in question dated Kerry's campaign finance chief. Gotta love a little mudslinging slung wrong. :)Ah, but you're not reading Drudge's report closely enough. He got it right. All he reported was that there was intrigue and investigations about the woman. There were.

So he was right. In a way that was intentionally misleading, of course, but he knows how to cover his butt.

[BishopMVP]

Down with push-polling! Now back to the Bush-AWOL situation.

[Bubba Wheels]

Newsweek had the Lewinsky story and sat on it for over a week. Almost didn't run it at all. Media covered for Clinton at first big-time. Everybody was in love with the new 'JFK." As for 'coward in their boots...", maybe too many burgers and Mad Cow is catching up with me

[Fonzie]

As for 'coward in their boots...", maybe too many burgers and Mad Cow is catching up with me

Finally something we can all agree upon! ;)

[CamEdwards]

here's my question. Last week, Polier's father was quoted as saying

“I think he’s a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn’t get that kind of feeling herself.
“He’s not the sort of guy I would choose to be with my daughter.”

Now he says this:

We have spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been made regarding her are completely false and unsubstantiated. We love and support her 100 percent and these unfounded rumors are hurtful to our entire family. We appreciate the way Senator Kerry has handled the situation, and intend on voting for him for president of the United States."

That's a pretty dramatic turnaround in four days. What led to the complete change of heart?

My guess would be a couple hundred thou in small unmarked bills... but that's just a theory. :)

[sterlingice]

That's a pretty dramatic turnaround in four days. What led to the complete change of heart?

My guess would be a couple hundred thou in small unmarked bills... but that's just a theory. :)
I'm guessing if this can't get any more press run than a bunch of bored people on an internet message board, there can't be too much credence to it. Tho, I also wouldn't be surprised if this came up much later because Rove is waiting a few strategic months before bringing it to the forefront.

SI

[tucker342]

Don't you guys just love politics?:D

[Easy Mac]

That's a pretty dramatic turnaround in four days. What led to the complete change of heart?

My guess would be a couple hundred thou in small unmarked bills... but that's just a theory. :)
Kinda like how Colin Powell was against the war in Iraq, and then all of a sudden, he's speaking in front of the UN and vigorously defending it... but thats just a theory.

[Buddy Grant]

... but that's just a theory. :)
Conspiracy theory. The full phrase is conspiracy theory:).

[CamEdwards]

Kinda like how Colin Powell was against the war in Iraq, and then all of a sudden, he's speaking in front of the UN and vigorously defending it... but thats just a theory.

I'm sure you have some quotes by Powell to back up your statement, but if you could share those with the rest of the class I'd love to see them.

[WussGawd]

here's my question. Last week, Polier's father was quoted as saying

Now he says this:

That's a pretty dramatic turnaround in four days. What led to the complete change of heart?

My guess would be a couple hundred thou in small unmarked bills... but that's just a theory. :)

Whatever, Cam Drudge. :rolleyes:

[WussGawd]

I'm sure you have some quotes by Powell to back up your statement, but if you could share those with the rest of the class I'd love to see them.

There were a number of news reports (NPR, CNN, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post) in the months leading up to his appearance in front of the Security Council that alleged, based on information from "senior administration officials" and "officials in the State Department", that Powell was in favor of seeking a diplomatic solution as opposed to a rush to war. Did he come right out and speak of his opposition? No, he didn't. He's too loyal a man to do that. Was it heard independently, at different times, from different sources? Yes, it was.

[The Afoci]

I'm sure you have some quotes by Powell to back up your statement, but if you could share those with the rest of the class I'd love to see them.

"Bush plays with crayons. I don't like the war. I am Mr. Powell."

What can you do Cam, the man has proof.

[The Afoci]

NPR, CNN, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post

Well, those are definately right down the middle news sources. I mean, couldn't you at least get a quote from Al Gore, I think he may be a little less biased.