In need of a penalty expert

[FargoFreez aka fof playa]

Could someone verify whether this penalty played out right in FOF2K4?

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3-02-FAR06 (06:34) DEN 39 Portis ran inside the right guard for 3 yards.
Tackled by FAR 43 Parrish, assisted by FAR 33 Marion.
Key block delivered by DEN 72 Farrell.
Penalty: DEN - Tripping.


1-03-FAR13 (06:24) DEN 39 Portis ran outside the right tackle for -1 yards.
Tackled by FAR 57 Seau, assisted by FAR 77 Ahanotu.
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Thanks,
Jeff

[Chief Rum]

Looks like a ten yard penalty after the play. I don't know, is tripping a post-play play?

CR

[FargoFreez aka fof playa]

Exactly. It's my guess that it would not be a post-play penalty as it could have played a large role in Portis gaining the three yards.

[dacman]

AFAIK, the penalty is applied correctly, the down is correct, the distance is not -- it should be 1st and goal (or 1st and 13).

[AgustusM]

If it were post-play it would be a personal foul - not tripping.

[cthomer5000]

Is it a downfield penalty? It's possible it occured precisely where Portis was stopped. Maybe it was then a 10 yard penalty, but only from the spot of the foul?

I know when there is holding downfield, the play stands, but there is a penalty from where the foul occured.

[cthomer5000]

I'm thinking it should be 3rd and 9 from the 13.

[Dutch]

Had to go to the NFL Rulebook for guidance....it's not a fun read.

Rule 14 Section 1 Article 4 - When the spot of enforcement (of a penalty) is not governed by a genral or specific rule, it is the spot of the foul.

Rule 14 Section 1 Article 5 (b) The basic spots of enforcement are the dead ball spot on a running play.

Rule 14 Section 1 Article 5 Note: If the offense fouls behind the basic spot, enforcement is from the spot of the foul.

Also

Rule 14 Section 8 Article 4 - After a distance penalty for a foul by the offensive team during a play from scrimmage which results in the ball being in advance of the necessary line, it is a first and 10 for teh offensive team


SO....

3rd and 2, Denver gets 3 yards to the FAR 6 yard line...1st down and Goal. Tripping, at the dead ball spot, loss of 10 yards. It should be 1st down and Goal at the FAR 13 yard line.

[Flasch186]

holy crap, so the game got it right? If so, damn Jim is good.

[sabotai]

No, the game got (part of it) wrong. The game says 1st and 3 after the penalty, it should be 1st and 13. Well, I would say Jim got it right, but his code did not. :D (ie, bug)

[Poli]

I was trying to look it up. All I saw wrong was the 1st and goal issue as well.

[FargoFreez aka fof playa]

Thanks for all your replies. And kudos to you Dutch, I was way too scared to dig inside the official rulebook. :D