UltimateBet players, have you noticed this?

[Pumpy Tudors]

If a hand is played out to the river on UltimateBet and people choose to muck their cards after the winning hand is shown, you can look at the hand history of that hand and see the cards that everyone mucked. I don't think I like this. What's the point of mucking hands if anyone can go into the history and see what you had? It's really easy to see if somebody was just trying to bluff you all the way through the hand. I sure hope that this wasn't an intentional design decision by the UltimateBet folks. If it was, I'm thisclose to moving my money elsewhere.

[Radii]

Pokerstars is the same. This is one of the few places partypoker does something right(other than marketing) that the other sites don't do well.

[cthomer5000]

Eh, doesn't really bother me much. I absolutely clean up at that site, and I rarely take junk hands to the river on a pure bluff - it's totally unnecessary at the low limits.

FYI - UB is offereing a completely unpublicized bonus right now (i think it runs until tonight). You get a 25% bonus on Neteller deposits (up to 100 max).

I deposited 400 last night for a 100 dollar bonus.

[Chubby]

Yeah I've noticed this. The way I see, it works both for and against me, sure I'd rather have it not show what I had but I can see what other players had too...

[Pumpy Tudors]

Here's the response that I got from UltimateBet, and I suppose that I'm satisfied with it:

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The hand history will show the mucked cards at the end in order to avoid
collusion at the tables, but only to the players that have participated IN
THE RIVER.

It happens the same in a live game ; if you request to see the other
players' cards, they will be shown to you if you have participated in the
river.
---

Works for me, I guess.

[Vegas Vic]

It happens the same in a live game ; if you request to see the other players' cards, they will be shown to you if you have participated in the river.

That's correct. In poker, a player has the right to see any final hand in a called pot (including losing hands). The only time they have no right to see a hand is in a folded pot, where the winner does not have to show his hand.

In a live game, it is generally considered poor manners to ask to see a losing hand in a showdown, but it is within the rules of the game.

[Chubby]

eh, that explantion works for me.

[cthomer5000]

That's correct. In poker, a player has the right to see any final hand in a called pot (including losing hands). The only time they have no right to see a hand is in a folded pot, where the winner does not have to show his hand.

In a live game, it is generally considered poor manners to ask to see a losing hand in a showdown, but it is within the rules of the game.
I've seen this spur a couple extremely funny confrontations at tables. :)

[Chubby]

I've seen this spur a couple extremely funny confrontations at tables. :)

note to self... when I want to throw people off their game at the casino... :D