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JPhillips
02-20-2004, 07:51 AM
This really has been a bad 2004 for Bush so far. James Webb, Reagan's Sec. of the Navy, wrote this in USA Today.

Bush arguably has committed the greatest strategic blunder in modern memory. To put it bluntly, he attacked the wrong target. While he boasts of removing Saddam Hussein from power, he did far more than that. He decapitated the government of a country that was not directly threatening the United States and, in so doing, bogged down a huge percentage of our military in a region that never has known peace. Our military is being forced to trade away its maneuverability in the wider war against terrorism while being placed on the defensive in a single country that never will fully accept its presence.
There is no historical precedent for taking such action when our country was not being directly threatened. The reckless course that Bush and his advisers have set will affect the economic and military energy of our nation for decades. It is only the tactical competence of our military that, to this point, has protected him from the harsh judgment that he deserves.


Now to be fair he takes some shots at Kerry as well, and the article is focused on who vets should vote for. But this is about as harsh a criticism of Bush as I have seen from either side of the aisle. I can imagine the outrage if this would have been said by Daschle or Byrd. The whole thing is an interesting read if you're inclined.

Who Should Veterans Vote For? (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-02-18-veterans-edit_x.htm)

QuikSand
02-20-2004, 09:28 AM
Without actually wading into the issue itself...

It is only the tactical competence of our military that, to this point, has protected him from the harsh judgment that he deserves.

I have heard lots of rhetoric on this whole issue, but that is a very politically palatable way to frame this argument.

Of course, you don't win elections by appealing to the "fucking elitist" demographic, so I'll just shut up now.

Fritz
02-20-2004, 12:33 PM
[I]
There is no historical precedent for taking such action when our country was not being directly threatened. [/URL]

This is utterly false, unless you completely discount the western hemisphere.

edit: or Korea
edit: or Vietnam
edit: or China
edit: or Russia
edit: or Somalia
edit: or the Balkans

Fritz
02-20-2004, 12:34 PM
Without actually wading into the issue itself...



I have heard lots of rhetoric on this whole issue, but that is a very politically palatable way to frame this argument.


fucking elitist

QuikSand
02-20-2004, 12:42 PM
fucking elitist

:: tips cap ::

Subby
02-20-2004, 12:49 PM
If you were really a fucking elitist you would have doffed it...

QuikSand
02-20-2004, 12:52 PM
If you were really a fucking elitist you would have doffed it...

Good show, old bean!

Senator
02-20-2004, 12:57 PM
Quite.

Jeebes. Bring my car around.

Dutch
02-20-2004, 01:02 PM
That guy is full of crap. Only the partisans are going to listen to his rubbish. Sorry.

Fritz
02-20-2004, 01:14 PM
Have you seen the fucking elitist
Living in old Annapolis
Bristling with savoir faire
With the sea spray in his hair

High hats and narrow collars
White spats and lots of dollars
Spending every dime
For a wonderful time

Now, if you're blue
And you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where fashion sits
Its good to be the Quiks
Different types who wear a daycoat
Pants with stripes and cutaway coat
Perfect fits
Its good to be the Quiks

Dressed up like a beeeellion dollar trooper
fashionably disheveled like Christopher Shue(per)
Super-duper

Come, let's mix where Rockefellers
Walk with sticks or "umberellas"
In their mitts
Its good to be the Quiks

------ short instrumental break ------

Tips his hat just like an English chappie
Wants to know if he can be your pappy
Very snappy

You'll declare it's simply topping
To be here and see him posting
Smart tidbits
Its good to be the Quiks

QuikSand
02-20-2004, 01:22 PM
:: polite opera clap ::

Senator
02-20-2004, 01:25 PM
/drunken redneck YEE HAW while shooting a six shooter in the sky.

Buccaneer
02-20-2004, 01:26 PM
:: polite opera clap ::
Is that similar to the NASCAR clap?

Ksyrup
02-20-2004, 01:29 PM
This thread is infinitely more entertaining then the title would lead one to believe.

Buddy Grant
02-20-2004, 02:25 PM
/drunken redneck YEE HAW while shooting a six shooter in the sky.
:)

Buzzbee
02-20-2004, 03:43 PM
Thanks Frtiz. Now I'm going to be humming that fucking song all day.

Musical elitist!

BishopMVP
02-20-2004, 04:18 PM
Sorry to take the thread on-topic, but this guy just seems incredibly anti-everyone. His comments about Kerry include:

Kerry's own comments were filled with hyperbolic exaggerations that sought to make egregious acts seem commonplace. During a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in 1971, he testified that fellow veterans had routinely "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." With those words, he defamed a generation of honorable men. No matter how he spins it today, at a minimum, he owes them a full and complete apology.

The view that Kerry remained on the "wrong side" of the war was compounded by his failure to consult with leaders of America's million-plus Vietnamese community while playing a dominant role in the normalization of relations with communist Vietnam during the early 1990s. Many Vietnamese-Americans believe Kerry has been an apologist for the Hanoi government on such key issues as human rights. Kerry personally has bottled up the Vietnamese Human Rights Act, which twice passed the House by wide majorities, so that it cannot even be debated on the Senate floor.