News from Ninerland

[Sharpieman]

Probably Steve Baker, Owens' agent is an idiot. He forgot or failed to fill out the forms to void the last 3 years of Owens’ contract. What this means is that Owens will stay under contract with the Niners (pending a grievance hearing). If the League determines that Baker or Owens did not notify the NFL or the Niners before the February 21st deadline, then Owens will remain under contract with the Niners and with all the indications the Niners will trade Owens for hefty considerations! Probably some draft picks. Also, if you didn't know already, the Niners released Garrison Hearst (Since Barlow was just resigned to a $20 million contract over 5 years), Derrick Deese(Kwame Harris will now start at LT) and Sean Moran(he’s useless). The news with Owens once again confirms that God is a Niners fan.

[Easy Mac]

see also http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=22164

[Darkiller]

Everything's fine in 49erland these days !

[Passacaglia]

Except for that whole cursed thing.

[RedKingGold]

Dream: 49er's cut Jeff Garcia and select QB Phillip Rivers/Ben Roethsiberger with their 1st round pick

[albionmoonlight]

The only downside to Phillip Roethsiberger is that strange slashed middle name he has. His parents must have not been able to agree on anything.

[albionmoonlight]

Dola:

;) in case you didn't know I was just making a (bad) joke.

[Sharpieman]

Except for that whole cursed thing.
What whole curse thing? They've won 5 Super bowls.

Did you guys forget about Tim Rattay? I highly doubt the Niners will take a quarterback if they get to trade TO. They have Rattay, they need a wide out. My perfect scenario: Niners get to trade TO, trade him to the Raiders for their Number 1 pick this year and next year. Then they pick WR Larry Fitzgerald. It’s actually a pretty plausible scenario, since Al Davis loves to take Niners players.

What’s the similarity between marijuana and the Raiders?
They both get smoked in 'bowls.

[cthomer5000]

What whole curse thing? They've won 5 Super bowls.
He was joking. Darkiller suggest a few months ago that the 49ers were "cursed."

He was very quickly ridiculed back into line. :)

[MrBug708]

Terrell Owens for two draft picks, including the number one overall?

Pass me whatever you are drinking. Owen's is worht a first round pick, but the Raiders wont be any better next year and with the amount of WR talent in the draft, it isn't gonna happen

[Tigercat]

If anyone trades the 49ers anything but a mid-late 1st round draft pick or equal value player, they are insane. Thats not to say it wouldn't happen, but its bad buisness.

Heres the thing: you have to call the 49ers bluff. You know they don't want to keep TO, and they know that you know. So you don't pay how much hes worth. You pay a good amount, but not enough to hurt your teams future. That equals a decent to low first round pick or a player that would equal such a pick in value.

It pisses me off beyond belief when a team trades for a player another team doesn't want to keep and gives them decent value for him. Last year I saw this when the Saints traded for Tebucky Jones, no way the Patriots were not gonna trade him, they could not afford to keep another high priced safety. But still the Saints overtraded for him.

Speaking of the Saints, I saw a rumor of a possible deal with Dante Stallworth and the Saints #18 pick for Owens. Despite Stallworth's injury problems this would be another case of basically trading 2 #1s for Owens. Just insane. Let the 49ers eat Owens before that happens. They are a fellow team in a league that you are in competition with after all. If they have to eat someone and their salary that they don't want, you win.

[tucker342]

What whole curse thing? They've won 5 Super bowls.

Did you guys forget about Tim Rattay? I highly doubt the Niners will take a quarterback if they get to trade TO. They have Rattay, they need a wide out. My perfect scenario: Niners get to trade TO, trade him to the Raiders for their Number 1 pick this year and next year. Then they pick WR Larry Fitzgerald. It’s actually a pretty plausible scenario, since Al Davis loves to take Niners players.

What’s the similarity between marijuana and the Raiders?
They both get smoked in 'bowls.
I think I just jizzed myself;)

That would be so great to get Fitzgerald!:D

[Rhone Ranger]

Apparently the local news in Baltimore is reporting that the Ravens are talking to the 49ers about trading Baltimore's 2nd round draft pick plus linebacker Ed Hartwell for Terrell Owens. No deal has been made, however.

Can anyone confirm this?

[Logan]

Can't confirm or deny, but LB is one of the few spots we don't need help at.

[cthomer5000]

Can't confirm or deny, but LB is one of the few spots we don't need help at.
While that maye be true, you know the 49ers aren't going to be receiving a bonanza for Owens. I'd expect little more than a 2nd rounder lor very low first rounder at best.

[Anthony]

Jets should aquire him for their 1st round pick, straight up.

or....

would you guys do Champ Bailey and non-1st round pick for TO and Kevan Barlow?

or....

would you do Eagles 1st round pick for TO?

or...

would you do Clinton Portis and Ashlie Lelie for TO and Kevan Barlow?

or finally...

Keyshawn Johnson and Thomas Jones for TO and Garrison Hearst?

i think i'd do TO and Barlow for Portis and Lelie any day of the week. you can't tell me Mike Shanahan feels good having an already shaky Jake the Snake at QB with an aging WR corps. obviously the Broncos have prepared themsleves for life w/o Portis, and any ole RB can excel in that offense. But they aquired Jake to be their QB of the next 5 years or so - give him a target.

if TO is available no way Philadelphia shouldn't be trying to fall over themselves to get him.

[Vince]

While that maye be true, you know the 49ers aren't going to be receiving a bonanza for Owens. I'd expect little more than a 2nd rounder lor very low first rounder at best.
cthomer - while I know he comes with baggage, he's hands down one of the three best WRs in the league...what makes you think that a low first rounder is the best the 49ers will get?

[cthomer5000]

cthomer - while I know he comes with baggage, he's hands down one of the three best WRs in the league...what makes you think that a low first rounder is the best the 49ers will get?
He's a total headcase, he's getting up there in years, and there won't be that large a market for him. So only the 4-5 teams who were considering signing him will now be in the sweepstakes for him.

[DookieMowf]

Jets should aquire him for their 1st round pick, straight up.

or....

would you guys do Champ Bailey and non-1st round pick for TO and Kevan Barlow?

or....

would you do Eagles 1st round pick for TO?

or...

would you do Clinton Portis and Ashlie Lelie for TO and Kevan Barlow?

or finally...

Keyshawn Johnson and Thomas Jones for TO and Garrison Hearst?

i think i'd do TO and Barlow for Portis and Lelie any day of the week. you can't tell me Mike Shanahan feels good having an already shaky Jake the Snake at QB with an aging WR corps. obviously the Broncos have prepared themsleves for life w/o Portis, and any ole RB can excel in that offense. But they aquired Jake to be their QB of the next 5 years or so - give him a target.

if TO is available no way Philadelphia shouldn't be trying to fall over themselves to get him.

I would do the Jets first
I wouldnt do champ and a non first for to and barlow( we dont have a back and yes champ is a shutdown corner, I think Barlow will be a stud)
I would do Eagles first.
Dont think I would do the Portis lelie for to and Barlow. I think Barlow will be stud if he holds onto the ball. Draft picks need to come the Niners way in the TO trade
Wouldnt do the Keyshawn jones deal one because we dont have hearst anymore two I want at least a draft pick in return for Owens.

About Shanahan, he told bill wlahs that the Niners selected the best back in the league when thet took barlow a few yrs ago. Hopefully this yr we will see that.

[RedKingGold]

Bill Wlahs mowed my lawn

[The_herd]

He's a total headcase, he's getting up there in years, and there won't be that large a market for him. So only the 4-5 teams who were considering signing him will now be in the sweepstakes for him.

I agree here. If he's traded, the team that gets him knows they have to rework his deal to get him a big signing bonus, or he's going to pout. There won't be a large enough market for a reciever that turns 31 during next season and is coming off his worst year since 1999. They could likely get a mid-late 1st rounder for him, but there is no way in hell the raiders give up the #2 pick for him when they can draft Fitzgerald themselves.

[Crapshoot]

I like Owens, but I figure that he's moving on- if we could get a no 1 for him, then pick either Reggie Williams/Michael Clayton and (if we get lucky) Wilfork (who seems to be falling down draft boards), I would be happy- alternatively, I think it may be worth offering a contract to either McCareins or Bennet from Tennessee- the cost will be probably be a low draft pick (I don't see either getting the 1st round tag- well, maybe McCareins)., and using the other no 1 on a frigging CB- and then dealing Mike Rumph for a bag of potato chips.

[wig]

He's still going to be a UFA.

Count on it

[Vince]

The more I think about it, the more I agree with wig. The whole deal about him staying a Niner because of a technicality doesn't sit well with me, and I think it's going to be changed by the league. I mean, think about it...if you're Terrell Owens's agent, your single goal in life this offseason is to make sure you file the paperwork to make him an unrestricted free agent, and that you do it on time. No one is that stupid...I think that TO is speaking the truth when he says that they weren't told of the new deadline.

[Rhone Ranger]

The more I think about it, the more I agree with wig. The whole deal about him staying a Niner because of a technicality doesn't sit well with me, and I think it's going to be changed by the league. I mean, think about it...if you're Terrell Owens's agent, your single goal in life this offseason is to make sure you file the paperwork to make him an unrestricted free agent, and that you do it on time. No one is that stupid...I think that TO is speaking the truth when he says that they weren't told of the new deadline.

I guess I could believe that but... apparently the dispute is over the deadline having been moved back about 10 days or so (earlier). Why didn't the agent file the paperwork months ago? What was he waiting for? Owens has made it clear for a long time that he's not happy in SF, so I can't understand why the agent would let things even get close to the deadline. He should have filed the papers in December. :confused:

[The_herd]

From CNNSI's Don Banks.

Owens' humiliated agent, David Joseph, said he'll file a grievance over missing this week's filing deadline for voiding the remaining three years of the star receiver's contract. Sources within the NFL's Management Council contend the deadline, while bumped up 10 days this year, was cut and dried, and the grievance has little chance of succeeding. That means San Francisco still will own Owens' rights.

[Alf]

TO should fire his agent if the latest is true !

[Sharpieman]

I'm optimistic about TO getting staying a Niner and getting traded because TO's main argument is "The Niners and/or the League didn't tell me when to file the papers." He's so egocentric that I don't think he'll be able to convince the League or whoever he has to convince that it wasn't his fault and they should just make an exception for TO because he's TO. I know my earlier comment about the Raiders trading for TO is just a dream of mine, but TO is a valued player in the league. Although he’s hurt his value, it doesn’t change the fact that TO is one of the best WR’s in the league. Teams want him. There are dumbass GM’s out there who will give the Niners good value for TO. I don’t doubt that fact. The only thing I do doubt is the ability of Niners GM Terry Donohue to get a deal done for Owens that would be a steal. I thinks its probable that Donohue would wait to see if he can sign some of the Niners back i.e. Ahmed Plummer, Tai Streets, John Engleberger. And redo the contract of Zach Bronson and Bryant Young. Now, its highly unlikely that Terry has the ability to do that. I think the value that the Niners get for TO is extremely affected by Terry’s ability.

[Hijinx]

at this point I'd trade Owens for a warm six-pack.

getting another 1st rounder for him would be cool, or a 2nd and a 3rd, whatever.

He's got amazing potential, but the guy just drops too freaking many catchable passes.

I'd trade for the highest pick I could, maybe look to turn that one into more picks, and draft one of the OSU recievers, Jenkins or Woods.

[sooner333]

I think Woods is just getting forgotten as far as WR's go, especially with Williams entering the draft. Woods may not be that fast, but boy can he run a route. If the Niners could get their hands on him, I'd say forget TO. Any trade is good for the Niners because a week ago, they were getting nothing for him.

[miami_fan]

Compromise would give 49ers a draft pick

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1748636

NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw is working on a compromise to clear up the status of wide receiver Terrell Owens, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.


League sources told Mortensen that Upshaw hopes to engineer a deal that would allow Owens to become an unrestricted free agent while providing draft-pick compensation to the San Francisco 49ers.



Owens



Under Upshaw's plan, the 49ers would get the 33rd overall pick of the April draft -- a pick that would be slotted between the first and second rounds.


Owens, a four-time Pro Bowler, missed the league-mandated Feb. 21 deadline to void the remaining three years of his contract and leave the 49ers. Owens and his agent, David Joseph, cited specific contract language that states Tuesday, March 2, as the deadline.


The union, waiting to see if Upshaw can finalize his deal, has not yet filed a grievance on Owens' behalf.


Besides the union, the 49ers and the NFL Management Council would also need to sign off on any deal involving Owens.


There is a precedent for the NFL to reward an extra pick to a team to settle a contractual problem.


In 1998, the Oakland Raiders received a compensatory pick at the end of the first round in order to settle a dispute on whether the club had a viable option on defensive tackle Chester McGlockton, who was granted free agency.


Owens was among several players required to file by a new deadline, which recently was moved up 10 days for players who signed their contracts before the league's 2001 collective bargaining agreement went into effect.


Cleveland receiver Dennis Northcutt made a similar mistake. The Browns announced last week that Northcutt's agent failed to void the final three years of his contract by Feb. 19, keeping him with Cleveland.


By missing the deadline, Owens is under contract to San Francisco through 2006. He is due to make $17.7 million in base salary over the next three seasons, including $5.3 million next year -- a relative bargain for one of the NFL's best receivers.


He had been counting on a big payday in his first venture onto the free-agent market, hoping to land a signing bonus of more than $15 million from Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlanta or a handful of other teams with the cap space to sign a star receiver.


Owens has spent all eight of his NFL seasons with the 49ers, who drafted him in the third round in 1996. He has been chosen to the last four Pro Bowls, but missed the game last month with a broken collarbone.


Owens and Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison are the only receivers with more than 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns over the past four seasons. Owens had 80 catches for 1,102 yards and nine TDs last season -- his lowest totals since 1999.


Owens also has feuded with teammates, coaches, management and the media in recent seasons. While Owens spoke openly of his desire to move to another team in the offseason, the 49ers designated All-Pro linebacker Julian Peterson as their exclusive franchise player -- apparently conceding they wouldn't sign Owens.

[Logan]

I'd settle for it, but I wouldn't just accept the offer right now. For one, while I don't know exactly what teams are offering, I'm sure we can get some team's late 1st, worst-case scenario. That would obviously be better than the sandwich pick, plus it would strip the receiving team of their 1st.

[AgPete]

I think that's bullsh!t myself! Yes, it's great for the 49ers and the team that wants TO because they don't have to give up anything but if the NFL can, it needs to find out who is guilty for the miscommunication. I wish my team could have a simply secretarial mistake and be granted an extra first round pick because of it! :mad:

[Deattribution]

It's bullshit if they give TO special treatment and then do nothing for Cleveland and Northcutt who had the same thing happen.

If this was John Doe or Joe Blow from the Dolphins or whoever, and not Terrell Owens it would just be tough shit and blow over.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The curse continues!! Owens messes up his UFA and the 49ers, who were going to lose him for nothing, end up getting pseudo-first round pick for him! Woe is the 49ers! Woe is them! How can one team suffer so?

[cthomer5000]

I think that's bullsh!t myself! Yes, it's great for the 49ers and the team that wants TO because they don't have to give up anything but if the NFL can, it needs to find out who is guilty for the miscommunication. I wish my team could have a simply secretarial mistake and be granted an extra first round pick because of it! :mad:
I pretty much agree. Owens' agent f'ed up. Why would the NFL want to step in and let Owens (and agent) off the hook?

Also, I feel this would undermine the integrity of the draft as a whole. It just wouldn't be fair to teams picking at the start of round 2.

[QuikSand]

This is an outrage.

[rkmsuf]

That's totally inappropriate. It's lewd, vesivius, salacious, outrageous!

[QuikSand]

This is the most egregious assault on personal and civil order ever initiated in human history. It dwarfs the holocaust, it makes ethnic cleansing look like a charity carwash, it is an affront to everything that makes us human beings. This offensive and intolerable behavior must be expunged from our collective memories, never to be spoken of again. For the good of the children.

[miami_fan]

This is the most egregious assault on personal and civil order ever initiated in human history. It dwarfs the holocaust, it makes ethnic cleansing look like a charity carwash, it is an affront to everything that makes us human beings. This offensive and intolerable behavior must be expunged from our collective memories, never to be spoken of again. For the good of the children.
:D

[judicial clerk]

Your face is our case.

[rkmsuf]

Your face is our case.

So you're a victim. Now your face is shallow, unattractive, disgusting.

[Samdari]

This is an outrage.

Not for the NFLPA to propose it. Its not like its a done deal.

[Sharpieman]

Niners re-sign best CB Ahmed Plummer to a huge contract, and lose Jason Webster.
San Francisco 49ers: The 49ers prevented cornerback Ahmed Plummer from leaving for teams such as the Lions and the Jets by reaching a five-year agreement that included a whopping $11 million signing bonus.


After trading wide receiver Terrell Owens and cutting quarterback Jeff Garcia, 49ers general manager Terry Donahue concentrated on keeping as many of his defensive starters as possible. He reached an agreement Thursday with defensive end John Engelberger.


On Friday, Plummer became the next priority, particularly after cornerback Jason Webster reached agreement with the Falcons.


Plummer, 27, was a first-round choice of the 49ers in 2000 and is one of the leaders of the defense. At 6-foot, 191 pounds, he is a physical cornerback.


A former star at Ohio State, Plummer was thought to be a target of the Bengals. He flew back to Columbus after his midweek visit with the Lions.


-- John Clayton
hmed Plummer to a

[Bad-example]

It will be very interesting to see how the Niners draft this year. Although WR would appear to be their greatest need, I think this team is a couple players away from having a pretty enviable defense. They are quick and deep at LB and really don't have many holes. If they can find good talent at DT and in the secondary then this team could be better than expected...

Of course the offense is another matter entirely. The Niners are rebuilding on this side of the ball, and they will probably grab a big play receiver early on. But they have lots of needs and could benefit by adding players at just about every position. A playmaking TE would be a big help along with depth on the OL and at RB. I have to think they will look hard at the available quarterbacks as well.

With the exodus of veteran talent this offseason the Niners really need a good draft.

[Crapshoot]

A second rounder for Owens means they can probably grab one of a deep WR crop in the 2nd round, and use their other pick on a CB (I don't see any top notch CB out there). The 1st round pick could be used on a much needed DT- here's hoping that Wilfork falls that far.

[Sharpieman]

I think that the Niners aren't going to draft a WR in the first round, although its their biggest need. Terry Donahue, like the genius he is, will probably draft a DT or CB. At the 16th pick in the first round, it will hard to get a DT who's of that value or better value of any of the WR's in the draft. With that said, I wouldn't mind them drafting a CB as much. CB Chris Gamble comes to mind. Of course, I can't stop dreaming about WR Reggie Williams or Rashuan Woods starting as a Niner.

[Crapshoot]

See, I think Woods is a 2nd rounder in this draft- and I think the Niners can get him. The only scenario in this deep a WR draft I would draft a WR in the first round is if a Mike Williams or Roy Williams fell to 16- otherwise, you're likely to get bette value. Im not too sure about Gamble- he seems to have the classic boom or bust thing going for him. Your perspective on Wilfork ? At 16, he's certainly value.