Another "past injustice"

[Ben E Lou]

Anyone besides me do this?

You've got three MLB's on the roster in the preseason, and only intend to carry two in the regular season. However, the worst of the three gets injured in the last game of the preseason. It isn't severe, and he could be back in 4-8 weeks, but you put him on the IR nonetheless.

At some point I'd like to get a "due to past injustices" message from a guy like this. I could be wrong, but I don't *think* they even get disgruntled when you put 'em on the IR list.

[wig]

Why would they? They get a full paycheck and their stats "per-game" don't get hurt at all.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Anyone besides me do this?
Oh yeah, with regularity in my "Misfits" dynasty.

But I don't believe I've ever wished for a disgruntled player from it.

{I piss off enough players with my massive annual "sign & cut immediately after camp" technique, no sense adding to the list}

[wig]

I have an owner in WigFL that puts guys on IR if they are out for 1 week.

(just to keep them and add a new young player from the FA pool)

[Ben E Lou]

I dunno. It just seems kind of mean of me to do that to the guy.

[Vegas Vic]

On a related note, I'd love to see Jim tweak the game somewhat so that the "past injustices" thing is not an absolute for every player. For instance, if I cut a marginally talented "high loyalty" veteran, I'd like to have a chance every now and then of re-signing him to a lower contract after cutting him.

This does happen in real life, and it's not that rare.

[Ben E Lou]

I have an owner in WigFL that puts guys on IR if they are out for 1 week.

(just to keep them and add a new young player from the FA pool)Yeah. In IHOF I had a young guy who was probable for one week at the end of preseason. He'll be spending this year on IR.

[wig]

Yeah. In IHOF I had a young guy who was probable for one week at the end of preseason. He'll be spending this year on IR.

That's just brutal. Probable and on IR.

[Dutch]

I thought you could only put "OUT" players on IR? Learn something new everyday.

[Ben E Lou]

That's just brutal. Probable and on IR.:D

...which gets me back to my original point. That guy oughta be pretty pissed at me for doing that, don't y'all think? He was going to be full strength either Week 1 or 2 of the regular season.

[wig]

Yeah, that would piss me off.

Uness it was the real me who would give a nut to be on an NFL roster.

[FBPro]

On a related note, I'd love to see Jim tweak the game somewhat so that the "past injustices" thing is not an absolute for every player. For instance, if I cut a marginally talented "high loyalty" veteran, I'd like to have a chance every now and then of re-signing him to a lower contract after cutting him.

This does happen in real life, and it's not that rare.


I REALLY think this needs to be added or adjusted, whichever the case may be. There are a number of cases where a guy will get cut and resign with the same team.

[albionmoonlight]

SkyDog, if you ever want to pay me a full year's salary for not working because I sprained my finger, I promise that I will not become disgruntled.

[Ben E Lou]

Ok...ok...I get the point. I thought these guys were playing for the love of the game though. :(

[Dutch]

I'm guessin IRL, if next year Keyshawn Johnson gets put on IR by the Bucs for being probable with Influenza at the start of the year that you're gonna hear him bitching so loud, the ESPN2 crowd watching billiards will hear it.

[Karim]

I guess a better question is whether this ever happens IRL and what is the fallout of a GM/coach deciding to do this. I suppose there aren't sanctions in the NFL governing such an action?

I'm not going to comment on the programming required, but something like this adds a ton to the immersiveness of a game. Now that the FOF series is rock solid, the little things could add so much.

[stevew]

I think that there needs to be some sort of "guarantee" put on contracts. Like some scrub TE might not want to fly all the way to pittsburgh, if he lives in Colorado, knowing that he'll be cut one week later when your player gets healthy.

[panerd]

Why does the game need to be reprogrammed? Skydog says he enjoys doing it and so he does it. You guys are agianst doing it, so don't do it. Why does the game have to be reprogrammed when the flaw is 100% aviodable if the owner wishes it to be? (And don't give me the FOF multi-player reason, just make a house rule against it. Explain why this has to be taken away from people who enjoy this discovery of the game)

[Carligula]

I guess a better question is whether this ever happens IRL and what is the fallout of a GM/coach deciding to do this. I suppose there aren't sanctions in the NFL governing such an action?

I'm not going to comment on the programming required, but something like this adds a ton to the immersiveness of a game. Now that the FOF series is rock solid, the little things could add so much.

Don't know about the NFL but it's very common in baseball. When a team wants to get a Rule 5 player off the 25-man roster but can't send him down (that would mean losing him back to his original team), they'll often come up with an "injury" and leave him on the DL for a few months, waiting for space to reappear on the roster...

[Fritz]

I guess a better question is whether this ever happens IRL and what is the fallout of a GM/coach deciding to do this. I suppose there aren't sanctions in the NFL governing such an action?


IRL the NFL can review the use of IR. Placing a player on IR when he is not going to be injured/out for the season results in the player becoming an Unrestricted FA. I am not sure how often this happens, but I recall the Jets losing a TE this way when Groh was the coach.

IRL the players may also earn (and count less).

BUT, real clubs have several oprions available to them that FOFers do not. In FOF you cant cut (or settle) with an injured player. You cant put a guy on the 6 week PUP list at the start of the season. In the NFL, a restricted player's time does not tick if he is not active (game day roster) enough.

FOF just does not cover the full depth of the CBA, but I doubt any game will.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ok...ok...I get the point. I thought these guys were playing for the love of the game though. :(
First of all, I'd just like to say ... Bwahahahahahaha http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Second of all, if the option is "IR with pay" or "unconditional release (if you were healthy) without pay", I don't believe every player is going to get particularly ticked off about it.

Granted, that's influenced by my own use of the tactic, which seems to be often in those situations.

[Honolulu Blue]

I've tended to use the IR sparingly. But I've noticed that starters who are on IR or the inactive roster and are healthy get disgruntled and beyond - not always but often enough. Guys who THINK they're good enough to start, same story. The scrubs are too happy just cashing paychecks.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

IRL it does happen. Kliff Kingsbury recently revealed that he was put on IR last August by the Pats under dubious circumstances. He was out with an arm injury, but told a reporter that the coaching staff told him "from here out on out, you arm is hurt." He went onto say he was quite happy about. The Pats told him he was 4th on the depth chart for QB, but wanted to keep him around, but not lose a roster spot. They told him that since Damon Huard was a FA this year, he wouldn't be around. This way he would be back at 3rd string and have a chance to compete with Rohan Davey for #2. He couldn't practice, but on IR you can attend meetings and "observe" practice. The way he looked at it was that he wasn't going to get to play anyway and the future was looking up, and he was getting paid. Plus, he still got to learn about being a QB and the system.

So there you go. A player would not necessarily be upset if he thinks he is still in the team's plans with some upside (which is usually why you would do this anyway). A rookie would do it, but I doubt a veteran would.

[Ben E Lou]

To clarify, I wasn't asking for a change in this version of the game. This was just more food for thought.

[Yossarian]

It happened to Steve Beurleine this year also. Out for 2 weeks or somethign with a bad elboy but the broncos put him on IR because they needed a 3rd qb and didn't want to cut anyone else

[OldGiants]

Definitely happens in real sports. I wish I could remember the guy's name, but I saw a small article about an NBA player who often has this done to him. He said the next time a coach wanted to do it, he'd agree, but the reason had to be a severe mental disorder because he was tired of having to pretend to limp when reporters were around.

[druez]

Anyone besides me do this?

You've got three MLB's on the roster in the preseason, and only intend to carry two in the regular season. However, the worst of the three gets injured in the last game of the preseason. It isn't severe, and he could be back in 4-8 weeks, but you put him on the IR nonetheless.

At some point I'd like to get a "due to past injustices" message from a guy like this. I could be wrong, but I don't *think* they even get disgruntled when you put 'em on the IR list.


In the NFL a player has to also sign off on the IR status. So, you wouldn't be able to do this in the NFL without the players consent.

[cthomer5000]

To clarify, I wasn't asking for a change in this version of the game. This was just more food for thought.
I know where you're coming from and agree 100%. I'm not sure I've seen it in this version, but in prior versions I've definitely seen players become "disgruntled" while on IR.

And you'll likely see me also "abusing" IR in IHOF. When I've got marginal players on the team, it seems worth it to IR them when hurt and bring in another marginal player.