Anyone interested in a President Forever FOFC Game?

[SirFozzie]

I recently bought the game President Forever, and in a recent email, the creator indicated how to make your own scenario. I figure this would be perfect for a FOFC board game, similar to the Odd/Even Games and the Snowball Fight we had over the holidays.

So, I have come up with four FOFC "Parties".

The SkyDogpublicans (the party that currently controls the White House of FOFC)
The Wigocrats (They currently have a slight majority in the Congress)
the Colossal Squidependents (minor party)
The Monster Raving Looney Party (Otherwise known as: "2/3rds of a Trout in everybody's Rectum!") (minor party)

I figure while I create the scenario, we can have our Presidential Primaries. Please state which party you wish to run for President for, your home state (if you live outside the US, pick one ;)), and your qualifications.

After we get everybody in the Primaries, the board will vote for each party's nominee, and then we get to Campaign season (which will play out on the board)

Note: The top votegetter in each party will be that party's presidential nominee. The next two-three votegetters will be possible Vice-Presidential candidates, but the presidential candidate gets to choose his running mate ;)

[wbatl1]

Who is going to chose the ratings for the canidates? Will they be given set 'points' to spend to rate themselves. And will the canidates select thier own political views?

[Barkeep49]

I would be interested in running for the Wigocrats.

Additionally I would love to do a PBEM of the game with someone since the Computer AI only offers so much challenge.

[SirFozzie]

Who is going to chose the ratings for the canidates? Will they be given set 'points' to spend to rate themselves. And will the canidates select thier own political views?

Yes and Yes.

I will get a list of topics, and what each position means out tonight (i have a couple hours before the FOFC FBCB sim). It'd be cool to see the candidates campaign on the issues :)

[SirFozzie]

Presidential Candidates will have 20 Points to spread between:

Leadership
Integrity
Experience
Issue Familiarity
Charisma
Stamina
Debating

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

(5 more issues coming up)

[SirFozzie]

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

(yet more issues coming, yeesh :))

[SirFozzie]

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[mckerney]

More questions coming, or shall I begin?

[SirFozzie]

That's all the issues ;)

[mckerney]

Candidate:

Daniel McCarney (Colossal Squidependents)
Minnesota

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 4
Experience - 1
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 2
Debating - 4

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.


EDIT: Forgot State

EDIT2/3: After learning an attribute couldn't be 0, I've made some changes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Here ya go, the first Georgia to toss his hat into the The SkyDogpublicans Presidential Primary. Candidate quickly declined comment on rumors that he's really angling for a VP nod.

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Same Sex Marriage
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Affirimative Action:
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs
Immigration
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Balanced Budget
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Military Funding:
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Business Tax:
Right: Significantly decrease
Military Intervention
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests
Campaign Finance Reform
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Personal Income Tax
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Ecology
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Public Health Care:
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Education
Right: School Vouchers for everyone
Renewable Energy
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Free Trade:
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Social Security
Center: Keep as is
Gun Control
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control
Terrorism:
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[SirFozzie]

Wow Jon.. your candidate is a good SkyDogpublican.. can he survive the heat on abortion? :)

(Note: I am letting the candidates decide the path of the party.. ;))

[JonInMiddleGA]

Wow Jon.. your candidate is a good SkyDogpublican.. can he survive the heat on abortion? :) Survive it? Heck, he thrives on it ;)

[SirFozzie]

Candidates:

SkyDogPublicans:
JonInMiddleGA

Wigocrats
Barkeep49

Colossal Squidapendents
McKerney

Monster Raving Loonies
None

[Dutch]

I'll definately be paying attention to this. I'm afraid my 'dog JonInMiddleGa is going to get stomped with this crowd, but I'm pulling for you! :)

[Barkeep49]

Hailing from the proud state of Illinois Barkeep49 belives in the following:
Abortions -- Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Same Sex Marriages -- Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Affirmative Action -- Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Immigration -- Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Balanced Budget -- Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Millitary Funding -- Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Buisness Tax -- Center-Left: Increase slightly
Millitary Intervention - Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Campaign Finance Reform -- Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Personal Income Tax -- Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Envoirnment -- Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Public Health Care -- Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Education -- Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Renewable Energy -- Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Free Trade -- Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Social Security -- Center: Keep as is
Gun Controll -- Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Terrorism -- Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must

A strongly independent voice who will Advance America's priorities while not forgetting what it means to be an American.

[SirFozzie]

Dutch: Join in.. you and Jon could be a killerticket for the Skydogpublicans ;)

[tucker342]

Sure why not:D

AJ Tucker(The Wigocrats)
Iowa

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 5
Experience - 1
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 2
Stamina - 3
Debating - 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.
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[SirFozzie]

Wow, the Wigocrats seem the be southpaws, you know.. lefthanders? :)

[SackAttack]

Ahh, the hell with it.

Josh Hiscock (Skydogpublican)
Edit: California (both where I'm from AND where I'm registered)

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 4
Experience - 1
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 3
Debating - 3


Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[Dutch]

Hmmm, okay, here ya go!

Candidate:

Dutch (Skydogrepublicans)
California (Where I'm registered, not where I live)

Leadership - 4
Integrity - 3
Experience - 3
Issue Familiarity - 3
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 2
Debating - 2

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration.
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.


[/QUOTE]

[Dutch]

I didn't realize this board had so many Skydogpublicans. :cool:

[AgPete]

Where do I buy this game SirFozzie? Looks fun.

[Barkeep49]

hxxp://www.hotpotsoftware.com/p2000/p2000.htm

There's a demo there and you can buy the whole thing. Only $12 with several more features, including a primary and revised election night, promised.

[sooner333]

Oklahoma (where I'm registered, not where I live...although I def. don't consider myself an Illinoisian)(SkyDogpublican)

Leadership 3
Integrity 3
Experience 2
Issue Familiarity 3
Charisma 3
Stamina 3
Debating 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[samifan24]

Candidate:

Brendan O'Neill (Skydogrepublicans)
Connecticut

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 4
Experience - 0
Issue Familiarity - 4
Charisma - 3
Stamina - 2
Debating - 4

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Business Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[AgPete]

Going for the "2/3rds of a Trout in everybody's Rectum!" because the compeition is low and my party has no precedents on positions. :D

Leadership - 4
Integrity - 2
Experience - 2
Issue Familiarity - 1
Charisma - 6
Stamina - 2
Debating - 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition


Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

[digamma]

Another candidate for the Looney Bin Party...
(And who cares about party precedent on positions. We're the Loonies. Trout for one. Trout for all. At least 2/3 of a Trout, anyway.)

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 3
Experience - 3
Issue Familiarity - 2
Charisma - 5
Stamina - 2
Debating - 2

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition


Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

[AgPete]

Another candidate for the Looney Bin Party...
(And who cares about party precedent on positions. We're the Loonies. Trout for one. Trout for all. At least 2/3 of a Trout, anyway.)



If anything, our party would make for a great night of discussion regarding the issues, but maybe nothing practical. Hey, we've already got a party like that, the Libertarians! :)

[SirFozzie]

As I said, you're the Monster Raving Loonies! (love that Monty Python skit ;))

[sterlingice]

Sterling "Tex" Silvers

He's from the great state of Texas. To stay elected in a mostly SkyDogpublican state, he's had to play mostly to the middle in his three terms as Wigocrat representative. His two primary issues are a Balanced Budget amendment and increased educational spending. He's not likely to win but wants to use this as a springboard for future campaigns. He does make a somewhat attractive Vice Presidential canidate, however, as he is charismatic, young, and from a traditional SkyDogpublican stronghold.

Leadership 3
Integrity 3
Experience 1
Issue Familiarity 3
Charisma 5
Stamina 3
Debating 2

Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice

SI

[digamma]

Oh yeah. This Loonie is from California.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Presidential Candidates will have 20 Points to spread between ...
Quick question for the "Dungeon Master" -- did you want the 20 point spreads from all the candidates in the primaries, or just for the eventual party nominees?

(I had first believed it was the latter, but after seeing a few more posts, I'm not so sure)

[AgPete]

Quick question for the "Dungeon Master" -- did you want the 20 point spreads from all the candidates in the primaries, or just for the eventual party nominees?

(I had first believed it was the latter, but after seeing a few more posts, I'm not so sure)

That's a good idea, it would make more sense for the party to decide the final nominee's distribution. The platform on issues could decide the party rep but after someone is selected, it would make a lot of sense to have the party brainstorm the skill allocation.

[SirFozzie]

Either way, doesn't matter much to me ;)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Good enough for me then. I just didn't want to not have done mine & them be a requirement (I've got enough trouble sorting out the campaign finances paperwork).

(FWIW, I've also bought & played P4E, so I've got at least a slight advantage over those who haven't because there's a few definite pros & cons to certain skills IMO.
Although my candidate isn't really drawn to those specs at this point)

[stevew]

I'd like to throw my hat into the ring as a "WigoCrat." My platform to follow shortly. But on a quick note, is each party supposed to have some sort of left/center/right agenda? And being from VA, I can carry the south :)


9edit)I mention the Wigocrats on this simply cause of my alignment with Wig, not cause of the party platform

[SackAttack]

I move that Jon be disqualified for election tampering. :D

[stevew]

I'd like to throw my hat into the ring as a "WigoCrat." My platform to follow shortly. But on a quick note, is each party supposed to have some sort of left/center/right agenda? And being from VA, I can carry the south :)

Yeah, I realize Im an idiot.

[SirFozzie]

Well, the parties have their mavericks, so even though the SkyDogPublicans and Wigocrats currently look like our Repubs and Dems, you can be either.. just realize when it comes voting time, you're going to be a nail that sticks out, and maybe one that gets hammered down... ;)

[SirFozzie]

Sounds like if Jon doesn't get the nomination, he can be a good campaign manager for the eventual SkyDogpublican nominee ;)

[SackAttack]

I'm clearly the best choice for the SkyDogpublicans. Having told Dave Dial where to stick it, that just proves that I'm the candidate best able to withstand special interests. ;)

[stevew]

Home State: Virginia

A former Independant Congressman from Pennsylvania, my district was swallowed up by Skydogpublican gerrymandering. A recent family move to Virginia was done for job reasons.
While generally centrist on most issues, I feel strongly on certain issues.

The right to choose is made before intercourse, not after pregnancy has occured. We support free trade. We also support the abolishment of social security.


Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[Barkeep49]

When will nominations close? I don't want to start campaigning with-out knowing who all my competition is...

I also agreee, FWIW, with Jon that certain skills are more useful than others.

[SirFozzie]

I think tommorrow night will give us a couple more and that's it, so I'll say tommorrow night, set up a debate topic for each party, and then run the Primary Polls after the debate. :)

[JeeberD]

I detest politics, but why the hell not... :)



Jeeber D Mack (Colossal Squidependent)
Texas


Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[mckerney]

I detest politics, but why the hell not... :)

I do as well for the most part, though I do like video games. :)

[Suicane75]

Candidate: Eric Joseph (Colossal Squidependents)
New Jersey


Leadership: 5
Integrity: 6
Experience: 1
Issue Familiarity: 2
Charisma: 1
Stamina: 2
Debating: 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Center-left: Legal Abortions in the first two tri-mesters for mother's health
Centrist: Legal Abortions in the first tri-mester for mother's health
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape
Right: No Legal abortions

Same Sex Marriage
Left: Is a Constitutional Right
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Center-Right: Marriage is between one man and one woman
Right: Homosexuals need treatment for their condition

Affirimative Action:
Left: All federal agencies must follow strict quotas
Center-Left: Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action
Centrist: The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs

Immigration
Left: Is great, illegal immigrants given amnesty
Center-Left: Legal immigration is great
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration
Right: Immigration is destroying this country, stop immigration now

Balanced Budget
Left: A deficit is fine, focus on social programs
Center-Left: Military spending is more important then the deficit
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Eliminate all national debt ASAP, no matter what it takes.

Military Funding:
Left: Drastically cut, establish a department of peace
Center-Left: Should decrease
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient
Center-Right: Increase, but look to be more efficient
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats

Buisness Tax:
Left: Significantly raise
Center-Left: Increase slightly
Centrist: Keep as is
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment
Right: Significantly decrease

Military Intervention
Left: Military Intervention is another way of saying "Empire Building'
Center-Left: Only if we are attacked (terrorists) or for Humanitarian reasons
Centrist: Only if we are attacked (terrorists)
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests

Campaign Finance Reform
Left: Elections are rigged for the 2 major parties, and we need major reform
Center-Left: We need to significantly reduce corporate donations
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands
Center-Right: The current status (The McCain/Feingold bill) is fine
Right: No campaign reform needed

Personal Income Tax
Left: Increase for everyone
Center-Left: Increase taxes on the rich
Center: Reduce lower and middle class taxes
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich

Ecology
Left: The enviroment must be our first priority
Center-Left: Good enviroment policies are good economic policies
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: The enviroment is fine, no need to worry about it

Public Health Care:
Left: We need a complete Public Health care system
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private
Centrist: Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private
Center-Right: Only a few public health care benefits
Right: Completely privatize the health care system

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending
Center-Left: No vouchers, increase in spending
Centrist:Lower Income school vouchers, increase funding
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Right: School Vouchers for everyone

Renewable Energy
Left: Renewable energy all the way
Center-Left: Focus on renewable energy sources
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Right: We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources

Free Trade:
Left: We must build substantial trade tarrifs to protect all industries
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected
Centrist: Open markets must be approached with caution
Center-Right: Most Markets should be Open
Rights: ALL markets must be open

Social Security
Left: No to any private investment, signifcantly increase funding
Center-Left: No to private investment, increase funding
Center: Keep as is
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments

Gun Control
Left: Ban All Guns
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration
Center: Gun Control is a state's issue.
Center-Right: We should be wary of Gun Cuntrol
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control

Terrorism:
Left: We need to find a way to appease nations that dislike us
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice
Center: Focus on better military policy, but use military force if we must
Center-Right: We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[JeeberD]

I do as well for the most part, though I do like video games. :)


You know, I don't think a mckerney-JeeberD/JeeberD-mckerney ticket could be beat! Go Colossal Squidependents!!!

[mckerney]

You know, I don't think a mckerney-JeeberD/JeeberD-mckerney ticket could be beat! Go Colossal Squidependents!!!

Good point.....


Woohoo! Victory in '04!

[Wolfpack]

What the hell, I'm in:

Candidate: Rawley "Wolf" Pack
Home: North Carolina
Party: SkyDogpublicans

Leadership--3
Integrity--5
Experience--1
Issues--3
Charisma--2
Stamina--2
Debating--4

Abortion--CENTER-RIGHT (No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape)
Same-sex Marriage--CENTER-RIGHT (Marriage is between one man and one woman)
Affirmative action--RIGHT (Abolish all affirmative action programs)
Immigration--CENTER (Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed)
Balanced budget--CENTER (Balance lowering deficit with other priorities)
Military--CENTER-RIGHT (Increase, but look to be more efficient)
Business Tax--CENTER-RIGHT (Decrease slightly, to spur investment)
Military Intervention--CENTER-RIGHT (Only if our national intrest is threatened)
Campaign Finance--RIGHT (No campaign reform needed)
Personal Income Tax--CENTER-RIGHT (Reduced taxes across the board)
Ecology--CENTER (A balance between enviromental and economic policies)
Public Health Care--CENTER (Public for the poor and the elderly, the rest private)
Education--CENTER-RIGHT (School Vouchers for lower income students)
Renewable Energy--CENTER (Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced)
Free Trade--RIGHT (ALL markets must be open)
Social Security--CENTER-RIGHT (Let workers privately invest some of their payments)
Gun Control--RIGHT (Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control)
Terrorism--CENTER-RIGHT (We should not hestitate to use military force against terrorists)

[sterlingice]

You should put a link from here to the other threads that are part of this game like the debates

SI

[SirFozzie]

Workin on it. I have to create four debates.. (well, 3 debates.. and the Monster Raving Loonies coffieklatch, which will be most fun). I will link the threads afterwords ;)

Finished the SkyDogpublicans and Wigocrats questions so far. ;)

[SirFozzie]

The SkyDogPublicans (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=22444)

The Wigocrats (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=22445)

The Colossal Squidependants (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=22446)

The Monster Raving Looneys (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=22447)

[JeeberD]

You mean we actually have to discuss the issues? Crap, I'm in trouble...

[AgPete]

So if the rumors are true and a lot of conservative posters have liberal posters on their ignore list, and vice versa, how are you ever going to have a Presidential debate? :D

[SirFozzie]

well.. the game handles the SCORING of the debate.. but I dunno, would be fun to run it here ;)

[Dutch]

WTF? I didn't have to type all that crap in the debate thread???? Damnit!

[snaps pencil]

[SackAttack]

No, Dutch, that's once a Presidential candidate has been chosen.

To make it through the primaries, you still have to participate in the board debates :D

[samifan24]

So we are doing primaries and then the game decides or other FOFCers decide? I'm a little confused as to how this whole thing will go down.

[General Mike]

So it's too late for me to sign up? :(

[SirFozzie]

Once we get to the actual campaign, we'll input the stats on President Forever, and have each campaign (SkydogPublican, Wigocrat, Colossal Squidependant and the Monster Raving Looneys), tell me where they want to campaign, what they want to do for issue ads, etcetera etcetera.

[SackAttack]

sami, I think FOFCers decide who the game gets to decide between. :D

[SirFozzie]

Mike: As long as the Primaries haven't gone up.. feel free to declare yourself.. but be forewarned.. your fellow members may not like gate crashers ;)

[General Mike]

Candidate: General Mike Ritschel (SkyDogpublicans)
New Jersey

Leadership: 4
Integrity: 4
Experience: 1
Issue Familiarity: 4
Charisma: 3
Stamina: 1
Debating: 3

Platforms:

Abortion
Center-Right: No Legal Abortions, except to save mother's life or rape

Same Sex Marriage
Center-Left: Civil Unions (ie, "In everything but name...")

Affirimative Action:
Center-Right: Affirmative Action programs only in certain cases

Immigration
Center-Right: Reduce legal immigration, crackdown on illegal immigration

Balanced Budget
Centrist: Balance lowering deficit with other priorities

Military Funding:
Centrist: Keep the same, but look to be more efficient

Buisness Tax:
Center-Right: Decrease slightly, to spur investment

Military Intervention
Center-Right: Only if our national intrest is threatened

Campaign Finance Reform
Centrist: We need to put more power into smaller donor's hands

Personal Income Tax
Center-Right: Reduced taxes across the board

Ecology
Centrists A balance between enviromental and economic policies

Public Health Care:
Center-Left: Universal health care, doesn't matter whether public or private

Education
Left: No vouchers, significant increase in spending

Renewable Energy
Centrist: Both renewable and non-renewable energy must be adequately resourced

Free Trade:
Center-Left: Some industries must be protected

Social Security
Center-Right:Let workers privately invest some of their payments

Gun Control
Center-Left: Ban certain guns, and require background checks/registration

Terrorism:
Center-Left: We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice

[SackAttack]

So, Mike, how do you square a reduction in the business tax, "to spur investment," with raising taxes on the rich? You think the rich just stick their money under a mattress? :p

[General Mike]

So, Mike, how do you square a reduction in the business tax, "to spur investment," with raising taxes on the rich? You think the rich just stick their money under a mattress? :pOops, I better change that.

[SackAttack]

Oops, I better change that.

Candidate flip-flops on the issues...strike one. :D

[Ryan S]

Since I am basically President of this place right now I thought I would toss my hat in the ring. (or maybe I am the Vice President :) )

I will run for the SkyDogpublican nomination:

Leadership - 3
Integrity - 4
Experience - 1
Issue Familiarity - 2
Charisma - 4
Stamina - 2
Debating - 4

Platforms:
Left: Unrestricted access to abortions
Centrist: Retain marriage as is, but explore civil unions
Right: Abolish all affirmative action programs
Centrist: Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed
Center-Right: a Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the Deficit
Right: Need to significantly increase to meet new threats
Right: Significantly decrease (Business tax)
Right: We can and should use our military might to further our own interests
Right: No campaign reform needed
Right: Reduce taxes on the rich
Center-Right: Economic Policies must come before enviromental policies
Right: Completely privatize the health care system
Center-Right: School Vouchers for lower income students
Center-Right: Coal and Oil should be our main concerns
Rights: ALL markets must be open
Right: Let workers privately invest all of their payments
Right: Ownership is constitutionally protected, no gun control
Right: Terrorism can only be stopped one way. Military Force.

[Dutch]

Candidate flip-flops on the issues...strike one. :D

He's late to the party and thinks he's a general and thus reminds voters too much of Wesley Clark. "Steeee-rike! .....two." :)

[tucker342]

So, Mike, how do you square a reduction in the business tax, "to spur investment," with raising taxes on the rich? You think the rich just stick their money under a mattress? :p
well they sure aren't using the extra money from Bush's "tax cuts" to create jobs now are they?;)

[SackAttack]

You're not thinking logically. You don't just go down to the job store and say "Hey, I'd like to buy three full-time jobs and an illegal immigrant to do the cleaning."

The money gets invested, whether it be in an established company like Microsoft, or an up-and-coming company that has some product or idea that may be useful in the marketplace. That investment money, in turn, allows that company to expand, and hire more people in order to create the product they sell, which in turn gives them greater sales capacity, which equals greater revenue, which can then be plowed *gasp* right back into the company.

But it doesn't happen overnight. By the same token, cutting the taxes on the middle class and lower class aren't an instant panacea either. It takes time for the money to get back to them, and for them to then re-inject that money back into the economy.

You know the saying "a rising tide lifts all ships"? It's applicable here, too. A tax cut for businesses and the wealthy will have the greatest long-term effect, while short-term tax cuts on the lower and middle classes will have a more immediate effect, but with less lasting impact. Cut taxes on everybody, and everybody benefits.

Thing is, you have to balance that with the proper spending cuts. Cutting taxes and raising spending just exacerbates the problem that got us into this mess in the first place, and raising taxes to compensate for higher spending isn't the answer, either.

There's not a country in the world that has taxed itself into prosperity, and even Communist China realizes this - there was a news story the other day to the effect that they're lowering taxes on the wealthy and businesses in order to stimulate economic growth in rural areas, as well as to keep themselves in power.

Imagine that.

[Barkeep49]

All this assumes that the money will be invested well. While I have faith that those with true need know how to truly spend money wisely, the idea that the top 1% can suddenly create more jobs with just a little more money is absurd. A rising tide may lift all boats but far too many people have been stranded ashore looking at yaughts.

[SackAttack]

Perhaps, but nowhere is there a guarantee of prosperity. Human fallibility ensures that some ventures will always fall flat on their faces. It may be a case of mismanaged money, it may be a case of the market not being ready for the product, or it may just be a faulty idea in the first place.

Investment money cannot fix any of those three problems. If the person running the company is incompetent, all the investment money in the world won't magically create jobs.

And again, I stress, it's not an instant thing. Investing $5 million in venture capital isn't going to reduce the jobless rate instantaneously. Fifty investors each investing $5 million? Probably won't either, but it will help. Companies don't spring fully formed from the head of Zeus. It takes time, effort, and yes, venture capital to get them up and running.

Only then do the fruits of that labor begin to take shape, and even that doesn't happen overnight. Yeah, you could create 100,000 new jobs in a month, if you wanted to. Just open 5000 new McDonald's.

But would you really argue that the population is better off with 5,000 new burger joints than with higher-paying jobs that might take a little longer to come to the market?

[Barkeep49]

Fozzie: Are you using the '04 scenerio in terms of how many debates and such there are?

[SirFozzie]

yes

[Barkeep49]

Actually despite this being past the deadline I would like to argue that. I have no problem with people failing. People deserve to be more successful than others based on ability. However, when such a large segment of the American population never have a chance to get education and get higher paying jobs, when there are, as a certain Senator said, two Americas then this is a problem.

I am glad, however, to join you in recognizing our failure to do meaningful job training in this country.

[samifan24]

SirFozzie,

I'd just like to say thanks for one of the most creative, interesting and engaging games I've enjoyed here on FOFC in quite a while. Thanks. ;)

[SackAttack]

Actually despite this being past the deadline I would like to argue that. I have no problem with people failing. People deserve to be more successful than others based on ability. However, when such a large segment of the American population never have a chance to get education and get higher paying jobs, when there are, as a certain Senator said, two Americas then this is a problem.

I am glad, however, to join you in recognizing our failure to do meaningful job training in this country.

Sure. The two most important things the government should be providing are a strong national defense, and quality education for its citizenry. It's when you start getting into things like national health care, government management of retirement funds, etc, that I start to take issue. The government doesn't belong in every facet of our lives. Are there areas where it can be of immense value? Yes. Are there areas where government intervention can result in the anti-Midas touch? Also yes.