Survivor All Stars

[Glengoyne]

Anyone else surprised how big of a deal Richard Hatch's little stunt last week was? He must have one hell of a package to stir up that big of a mess.

[Barkeep49]

The whole thing bothers me and I wish there had been better footage of what actually happened. Regardless I found the reactions of those playing the game terrible, and insulting at best.

[Calis]

Don't watch Survivor, but I'm somewhat intrigued. What did he do?

[stevew]

He rubbed his stuff all over her

[bbor]

bah.....another frivolous lawsuit

[JeeberD]

So why does he get naked? Just to throw the other people off?

[stevew]

So why does he get naked? Just to throw the other people off?

Cause he's the fat naked fag, in his own words.

[Glengoyne]

During a challenge involving walking across a number of balance beams stretching between small platforms. One of the beams was a designated challenge point. When players from opposing teams met on that beam they had a "face off" of sorts. Sue (her last name escapes me), stopped on a platform, not the challenge point, and said "I want a piece of that one" and indicated Hatch, who had just stripped naked. Hatch approached, and while another player passed the two of them, he raised his hands and sort of thrust his pubic region up against hers. I think it is safe to say he rubbed his dick against her. I'd say the whole scene took place in less than ten seconds, and the touching lasted less than five.

This week, I guess one day later on the show, she became completely obsessed about it. Apparently it really got under her skin. She was talking about being violated, objectified, and dehumanized. She then declared she was no longer able to play in the game, and said she was leaving. They let her leave immediately.

I guess I just don't understand why it would have affected her in that way. I mean I understand that it was completely inappropriate. I just think he figured he'd get himself slapped, and move on. For me watching, it was a non-event. I thought they were both being playful, and he one upped her for calling him out. That said I can't see myself doing what he did to someone who didn't want me to. I mean it was epic bad judgement on his part. I just think she milked it a bit much. To say she was violated and dehumanized is pretty rough when there are women who are really physically asaulted. If it had been on the Apprentice, The Donald would have fired her for making up lame crap about a concussion.

That said I think we have seen the last of seeing all of anyone on Survivor. I forsee the Richard Hatch rule. No nudity.

[wade moore]

I'm with Glengoyne on this one...

I feel very bad for the fact that she was affected the way she was, but I think there is more going on underneath the surface... Particularly because of her comments about having one partner all of her life, etc... I think perhaps it upset her so much because she instigated it and then regret it? But i'm not particularly sure... Either way, I feel she took it the wrong way and completely overreacted...

That being said, for whatever reason it DID affect her and I hope she is able to deal with it and move on...

[Chief Rum]

It isn't right what Richard did, but her reaction is classic overreaction.

To be honest, she's always been a bit of a bitch. Her explosion doesn't surprise me. Wish I had seen it. Tonight's episode was the first one I had to miss because of work.

CR

[Mota]

I think it was totally inappropriate. Halfway through the contest he took his shorts off, deliberately to make people uncomfortable and to give him an advantage.

With that being said I think there's 2 things to comment on:

1) Overreaction? Who knows. Everybody's life experience is different, and we have no idea what may have happened in her life to cause her to react this way.

2) Ritch has a nice lawsuit coming in his direction. Because he deliberately did this to make people uncomfortable and caused that kind of reaction in someone, I think they have a VERY strong case against him. Enough to put him in jail? I don't think so. Enough to cause lots of $$$ to change hands? Definitely.

[MikeVic]

I think it was totally inappropriate. Halfway through the contest he took his shorts off, deliberately to make people uncomfortable and to give him an advantage.

With that being said I think there's 2 things to comment on:

1) Overreaction? Who knows. Everybody's life experience is different, and we have no idea what may have happened in her life to cause her to react this way.

2) Ritch has a nice lawsuit coming in his direction. Because he deliberately did this to make people uncomfortable and caused that kind of reaction in someone, I think they have a VERY strong case against him. Enough to put him in jail? I don't think so. Enough to cause lots of $$$ to change hands? Definitely.

I'm pretty sure these people sign stuff so that they can't sue each other in these kinds of situations... if not, it would've happened 4 seasons ago. :)

[AgPete]

Isn't Sue the butch truckdriver?

BTW, is Rudy still on the island?

[MikeVic]

Isn't Sue the butch truckdriver?

BTW, is Rudy still on the island?

Rudy had ankle problems, and was voted off.

[Maple Leafs]

Two things:

1.) If she sues, it will be CBS, not Rich. I can see it now. By allowing him to walk around naked, they fostered an environment of harassment, etc. I'm not in a position to judge whether she over-reacted or not, but I think the reaction of the other players was pretty telling.

2.) I have a bad feeling this is going to become a trend on this show. We're now six weeks in and already two people have left on their own. Jenna was understandable, of course, but I just worry that this won't be the last one. Everyone on that show has two goals: get back on TV, and be the big winner. As soon as people realize that the odds are against them, I expect them to start trying to figure out how they can dramatically walk away and save the humiliation of being voted off.

[rkmsuf]

Two things:

1.) If she sues, it will be CBS, not Rich. I can see it now. By allowing him to walk around naked, they fostered an environment of harassment, etc. I'm not in a position to judge whether she over-reacted or not, but I think the reaction of the other players was pretty telling.

2.) I have a bad feeling this is going to become a trend on this show. We're now six weeks in and already two people have left on their own. Jenna was understandable, of course, but I just worry that this won't be the last one. Everyone on that show has two goals: get back on TV, and be the big winner. As soon as people realize that the odds are against them, I expect them to start trying to figure out how they can dramatically walk away and save the humiliation of being voted off.

I said the exact thing last night...how many times are there going to be no tribal councils?

I think it's a little easier second time around to just pull the plug. The novelty of "camping" and being in an exotic location has worn off along with the newness of the game second time in. It's easier then to just say f-it I've done this already and it doesn't look like I'll win...screw this sleeping on the dirt.

Hopefullly it's an all-star thing...

[Maple Leafs]

It's easier then to just say f-it I've done this already and it doesn't look like I'll win...screw this sleeping on the dirt.Not to mention how many of these people seem to have real egos when it comes to their role in the game, its history, etc. I think it will be genuinely important for some of these people to be able to claim they were never really voted off. "I walked away on my own, they never snuffed my torch you know..."

[Alan T]

Thats what I hate about allstar games... no defense, everyone is just there for the vacation, too much scoring..

[Alan T]

Dola.. I havent seen an episode yet of this survivor. I just figured I should post.

[Alan T]

double dola.. anyone else notice how easy it is to dola with quick reply now?

[Solecismic]

Rumors were flying around before the season started that two people would leave on their own. Given the absurdity of that claim (going in, we would expect these people to be tough enough, so there would be no Osten repeats), I'm guessing that we're done with people quitting.

I'm sure there's plenty in the inch-thick stack of papers everyone signs before playing to fend off a Sue lawsuit.

[JonInMiddleGA]

... She then declared she was no longer able to play in the game, and said she was leaving. They let her leave immediately.
And now there's one less person competing for the win.

... and he one upped her for calling him out.
Lesson of the day -- don't call out people who can break you without really even trying hard.

I don't even watch the show but I believe I kinda like this guy.

[Subby]

Well he got voted out that night :)

[Subby]

Dola

Is it harrassment when a gay man rubs his wiener on a straight woman?

[rkmsuf]

Susan may have a penis and then where do we stand on this...

[mgadfly]

What jurisdiction (this is for any lawyer's, as I've forgotten my civil procedure) would Sue sue in?

I wonder what Panama's law is about weiner rubbing? If U.S. courts don't have jurisdiction over cruises that are out to sea, I'm sure there isn't anything criminal that Hatch can be charged for in the U.S.

I'm also sure that Survivor has a good enough attorney that this type of incident was specifically mentioned in a waiver before Sue decided to play the game. That leaves a Sue --> Hatch suit as the only option.

[Desnudo]

I think that's pretty sick, but she asked for it. You challenge a naked guy to a situation where you are going to be next to him, what do you expect? The best solution would have been for her to slug him in the jaw or that so obviously exposed area.

[rkmsuf]

The best move may have been for her to look down and start laughing...

[Desnudo]

What jurisdiction (this is for any lawyer's, as I've forgotten my civil procedure) would Sue sue in?

I wonder what Panama's law is about weiner rubbing? If U.S. courts don't have jurisdiction over cruises that are out to sea, I'm sure there isn't anything criminal that Hatch can be sued for in the U.S.

I'm also sure that Survivor has a good enough attorney that this type of incident was specifically mentioned in a waiver before Sue decided to play the game. That leaves a Sue --> Hatch suit as the only option.

If we're armchair lawyering, I'd be willing to bet that CBS settles out of court well ahead of any attempt of hers to sue to avoid any bad press that would come from such an incident. And I don't think that naked penis rubbed on body was likely covered in a contract. And I'm not sure that contract would be valid in any case if it was since it would go against an existing law. And I think it's possible that it could be covered by US law since CBS is a US corporation and these US citizens were "working" for it. All just a wild guess of course.

[Barkeep49]

If there was going to be a lawsuit what's stopped it from being filed already since don't forget this whole thing is taped? I don't think there'll be one.

[rkmsuf]

"Mr. Hatch, would you please drop your pants so that we may id the perpetrator..."

[mgadfly]

If we're armchair lawyering, I'd be willing to bet that CBS settles out of court well ahead of any attempt of hers to sue to avoid any bad press that would come from such an incident. And I don't think that naked penis rubbed on body was likely covered in a contract. And I'm not sure that contract would be valid in any case if it was since it would go against an existing law. And I think it's possible that it could be covered by US law since CBS is a US corporation and these US citizens were "working" for it. All just a wild guess of course.

Like I said before, I don't know this area of law well enough, but I'd bet that naked penis thing was covered by a waiver. Maybe not in the original Survivor 1 contracts, but I think after Hatch went naked the first time, and with as many times as people have hooked up on the show in previous versions, that somebody decided they needed specific language that covered this. It may not read "naked gay man's penis," but I bet that sexual assault is covered (in a variety of different forms), as well as harassment, and probably a great number of specific things (including contact during physical competitions) that we can't even think of. And the contract should be valid as long as the waiver was for CBS liability (not Hatch's) and the language was specific enough to put her on notice of what she was waiving. And in this case, I don't think it'd have to be super-specific since she had an agent (attorney) negotiate the contract for her (which makes the court more willing to hold her to a higher standard).

But yeah, I bet they'd settle early anyway.

[timmae]

hawk

from palmyra, enso?

[Racer]

Anyone hoping that something big goes down tonight?

Rupert and Jenna are in position to take over the tribe. If they team up with Shii Ann and Kathy, they can eliminate Amber tonight. Amber has more previous votes then any of the other remaining survivors with three. Since the four come from three different tribes, they should be aware of this. This would get Rupert and Jenna to the final four. If they stay with Rob, they probably won't get past the final five or six. I'd love to see Boston Rob's reaction to that. Probably won't happen, but I'd love to see it.

[Blitz]

I'd just like to see Amber gone to see Rob turn into a melty, whiny bitch. :D

[Maple Leafs]

I'm still hoping Rob and/or Amber turn on each other.

[Suicane75]

I pray to god that Rob doesn't control things from here on out, I hate him and his little dog with a passion.

[Glengoyne]

I was thinking of this too. I just don't think Rupert will sieze the opportunity. He is too much of a good guy, instead of being a good player. Perhaps Kathy can turn it around for him though. Rup lost a lot of points in my book when he stepped aside and let Rudy get ambushed. I will add this. This scenario is exactly why the other Rob was voted out early. He would easilly turn the tide on the front runners.

[wade moore]

I think Kathy may (weirdly enough) be the power player now.. she controls shii ann and she has major dirt on Rob... I think she could possibly pull Jenna, Rupert, Shii Ann and possibly Big Tom.. I think tonight will be a great episode... when it gets this tight, it NEVER goes the way it seems it will...

[Glengoyne]

I think tonight will be a great episode... when it gets this tight, it NEVER goes the way it seems it will...
Well the morons in Africa had a chance to turn it around, when Lex blew up and voted out the wrong member of his alliance in favor of Brandon. Brandon, and the weak team could have turned the tables on Lex and Company, but decided to go the way of the dodo instead.

[Maple Leafs]

I think Kathy may (weirdly enough) be the power player now.. Good call.

[wade moore]

Good call.


Guess I didn't get back here to edit fast enough, eh? :confused:

[Suicane75]

This was not a good episode tonight, you sort of knew Cathy was going out when they really didn't show any sort of strategizing until the last 10 minutesof the show, the challenge and the videos and the letters were so damn boring, it just felt like 10 minutes worth of show drug out to an hour.

[Mota]

Lex definitely has to be the biggest loser in Survivor history ... first he engineers the coup of 2 of their tribe's top players BEFORE the tribes merge, leaving them ripe for picking at the immunity challenges (which they lost most of the time), and then on a whim changes his battle plan because someone says they'll take care of him. Think of last week's scenario, only with Lex, Ethan, Colby and Kathy. You think this group would have kept Amber in the game as a favor to the other team? I don't think so.

There's only 1 person in this game that will take care of you, and that's yourself. He had to remember that. But by surrounding himself with the weakest people in the game (thus leaving him the leader) ... Jerri, Shiii Ann, etc., they were malleable but not strong/smart enough to keep the tribe alive.

[wade moore]

On that note..

Do people not realize what a freakin' hypocrite Lex is? He FREAKED out about his "real life friend" Rob voting him out. In fact, I TiVO the Early Show sometimes and watch the interviews, so I watched Lex's. He said that because of this he and Rob are no longer friends.

He voted Ethan off!!!! Ethan, his other real life buddy! He voted him off for basically no reason. It wasn't necessary at the time, in fact like you said he could have really used Ethan.

I lost ALL respect for Lex last week. Sore losin' bitch.

[gstelmack]

Lex was definitely a complete hypocrite over the prior two shows. No sympathy here for him.

[Subby]

The Lex-Ethan thing was bad, but Lex pretty much back-stabbed Scary Jeri, too, which I thought was worse since he made promises to Jeri that they would stick together...

Lex is an idiot - while I think his early gambits were smart - getting rid of Colby and Ethan - he made the fatal mistake of trusting Rob. He was in a great position with Cathy/Shi Ann/Jeri and probably Big Tom and he blew it.

I love Boston Rob...that guy is a scrapper. He deserves to win. Not that he will...

Finally when are you too old to have a mohawk? Isn't Lex over 40 years old?

[Easy Mac]

Rob wins if he can immunity out, but he'll have to go before Amber, because no way they risk pissing him off by voting out Amber while he has immunity