ACC thoughts

[MrBug708]

While the PAC-10 is really down, the ACC hasnt been much better this year, without the usual easy SOS. Anyway, remember this come bracket time. The ACC teams play nobody (OOC) on the road and when they do they lose. Here is a list of quality road games.

Duke - Beat Mich St , lost to Purdue
NC St - Loss South Carolina, Loss Michigan, Loss BC
NC - Loss Kentucky
WF - Loss Texas
Flor St - Loss Pitt, Loss Florida
Virginia - No hard road games
Mary - Loss Gonzaga, Loss West Virginia, Win Florida
Clemson- Loss Purdue, Loss Georgia, Loss Cincy
GT - The ACC saving grace Win UConn, Win TT, Win Ohio St, Win Tenn and Loss Georgia

That makes a road record (neutral) of 6-14 with GT responsible for 4 of the wins. Take them out and we have 2-13. Rember that come NCAA time. Of course, Duke, UNC,NC St and Wake will all get placed in Raleigh so it might not matter

[sooner333]

You bring up some good points. While I think the ACC is a quality conference better than the Pac 10 and Big Ten, those stats tell a lot. However, only two of the teams can be placed in Raleigh (one in each "pod). But, the tourney will do a good job determining which conferences were pretenders and which were contenders this year. I don't think the ACC is great outside of Duke, GT, and NC State...but the NCAA will either show their weakness or prove me wrong.

[MrBug708]

The Big-12 was very top heavy themselves with Oklahoma and Missouri tanking it at various points this year

[digamma]

While the PAC-10 is really down, the ACC hasnt been much better this year, without the usual easy SOS. Anyway, remember this come bracket time. The ACC teams play nobody (OOC) on the road and when they do they lose. Here is a list of quality road games.

Duke - Beat Mich St , lost to Purdue
NC St - Loss South Carolina, Loss Michigan, Loss BC
NC - Loss Kentucky
WF - Loss Texas
Flor St - Loss Pitt, Loss Florida
Virginia - No hard road games
Mary - Loss Gonzaga, Loss West Virginia, Win Florida
Clemson- Loss Purdue, Loss Georgia, Loss Cincy
GT - The ACC saving grace Win UConn, Win TT, Win Ohio St, Win Tenn and Loss Georgia

That makes a road record (neutral) of 6-14 with GT responsible for 4 of the wins. Take them out and we have 2-13. Rember that come NCAA time. Of course, Duke, UNC,NC St and Wake will all get placed in Raleigh so it might not matter
You could probably break down just about every conference this way, and nobody's numbers are going to be very good. Regardless of conference, it isn't very easy to win against quality opponents away from home.

Consider these numbers though.

Overall the ACC is 90-16 out of conference. The Pac 10 is 56-32.

The ACC's conference RPI is first overall, and first when limited to just non-conference games. The Pac 10 is 9th in conference RPI overall and eigth when limited to non-conference games. As a conference, the ACC has the second toughest non-conference strength of schedule (the A-10 is first). The Pac-10 has the sixth toughest non-conference strength of schedule.

The ACC has a winning record head to head against every conference except the SEC. The Pac 10 has a losing record against every other major conference, as well as the Big West and WAC.

All together, I'd say these qualify as "much better."

[Easy Mac]

PAC 10 on the road
Arizona beat St. Louis
Arizona State lost to Nebraska and Northwestern
Cal lost to UNLV and Colorado
Oregon lost to Kansas, beat Portland
Oregon State lost to Colorado and Hawaii
Stanford beat UC-Irvine, Rice and Gonzaga
UCLA lost to Michigan and St. Johns
USC lost to West. Michigan and BYU, beat St. Mary's and Fresno State
Washington beat San Diego State, lost to Wyoming, Houston, and NC State
Wash. State beat Alaska Fairbanks and Montana, lost to Rice, Southern Utah, Fresno State and Gonzaga

10-18 (1-6 v. probable tourney teams)

ACC on the road
Clemson lost to Purdue, Georgia and Cincy
Duke beat Michigan State and Georgetown
FSU beat Miami and Stetson, lost to Pittsburgh and Florida
GT beat Cornell, UConn, Ohio State, and Tennesse, lost to Georgia
Maryland beat Florida
NC State lost to Michigan, South Carolina and BC
UNC beat Cleveland State, UNC Wilmington, lost to Kentucky
UVA beat VMI and Loyola Marymount
Wake beat Yale, SMU, lost to Texas

15-11 (5-9 v. probable tourney teams)

[kcchief19]

Sounds like somebody is pretty depressed that the Pac-10 has become a mid-major this year. :)

[RPI-Fan]

Easy: If you're saying "Away from home" you should count UConn, if not TT, for Tech. UConn was hardly a "neutral" site game - playing a hop, skip, and a jump from Storrs in MSG.

[Easy Mac]

I just went by ESPN saying at in front of a game.

[MrBug708]

Curious Digamma, but why the PAC-10 reference in your thread? I wasn't comparing the two. No one knows more about the PAC-10 sucking this year then myself?

Easy Mac, you forgot MSU as a win for UCLA. It was on a nuetral court. Plus the loss to Notre Dame back East.

Did everyone miss my first line of this thread?

[MrBug708]

I just went by ESPN saying at in front of a game.

They do that so they know who is the home team and who is the away team

[HerRealName]

Curious Digamma, but why the PAC-10 reference in your thread? I wasn't comparing the two. No one knows more about the PAC-10 sucking this year then myself?

Easy Mac, you forgot MSU as a win for UCLA. It was on a nuetral court. Plus the loss to Notre Dame back East.

Did everyone miss my first line of this thread?

Nope, that was the only line that wasn't copied and pasted from another message board post and passed off as your own.

[digamma]

Curious Digamma, but why the PAC-10 reference in your thread? I wasn't comparing the two. No one knows more about the PAC-10 sucking this year then myself?

Easy Mac, you forgot MSU as a win for UCLA. It was on a nuetral court. Plus the loss to Notre Dame back East.

Did everyone miss my first line of this thread?
The first line of this thread says:

"While the PAC-10 is really down, the ACC hasnt been much better this year, without the usual easy SOS. "

That sounds like a comparison to me.

[Blackadar]

Nope, that was the only line that wasn't copied and pasted from another message board post and passed off as your own.

LOL

[tucker342]

If you look at every conferences OOC road record it wouldn't be very good... The only two conferences that haven't been down this year are the ACC and Conference USA

[Lucky Jim]

Not to get too picky, but who are the 5 probable tourney teams that the ACC has beaten according to that info Easy? Florida and UConn are the only teams jumping out at me as probable tourney teams, with Mich St. having a very good chance, who are the other two though? Not starting anything, just don't see it.

[MrBug708]

It was off an OSU website