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albionmoonlight
03-22-2004, 12:12 PM
I got this idea from another board. Instead of an "everyone pick a team" mock draft that will peter out after the first five picks, I suggest a full board mock draft. Everyone participates.

Starting with San Diego, any poster can post their guess for whom the team will/should draft. After a player is posted three times, he becomes the draft choice for that team. I think that that's self explanatory, but just as an example:

Poster A: San Diego--Mike Williams
Poster B: San Diego--Eli Manning
Poster C: San Diego--Eli Manning
Poster D: San Diego--Larry Fitzgerald
Poster E: San Diego--Eli Manning

Eli Manning would be the pick, and the draft would move on to Oakland.

In order to keep this moving without me having to come back and edit the top post every few minutes, please--if you are the third person voting for a player--instead of just posting his name, cut and paste the current draft list with the picked player inserted. So, in the example above, Poster E would not just say Eli Manning. He would post the draft list with Eli Manning in the #1 spot.

The draft continues until people lose interest.

Oh--and you can vote as much as you want, but no more than once per draft spot, so you can't vote for a player three times by yourself.

This isn't "my game," so feel free to edit, make better, etc. A draft order list for the first round is below.

1. San Diego
2. Oakland
3. Arizona
4. New York Giants
5. Washington
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Gallifrey
03-22-2004, 12:27 PM
1. San Diego - Trade Down with NY Giants
2. Oakland
3. Arizona
4. New York Giants - Eli Manning
5. Washington
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

TLK
03-22-2004, 12:28 PM
San Diego......Larry Fitzgerald

sachmo71
03-22-2004, 12:29 PM
The Giants don't want Eli Manning, because they have Palmer...you know, The Bachelor?


*teehee*

Samdari
03-22-2004, 12:32 PM
{misunderstood statement about Gallifrey's post removed}

#1 pick - Eli Manning (I do not think it will be San Diego, but I think it will be Manning).

EDIT: As far as making changes, I think the way people before the 3rd for a player is made should be changed, since many people will be envisioning trade changes naming the team is not the best method IMO. Perhaps people should put the # of the slot they are voting for, and the person who makes the definitive pick should post the whole list, with the appropriate player in the current slot.

corbes
03-22-2004, 12:35 PM
#1 pick - Eli Manning

WSUCougar
03-22-2004, 12:43 PM
The Chargers select Manning...

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland
3. Arizona
4. New York Giants
5. Washington
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 12:44 PM
#2 Fitzgerald

corbes
03-22-2004, 12:46 PM
#2 - Ben Roethlisberger (sp?)

Samdari
03-22-2004, 12:49 PM
#2 Gallery

albionmoonlight
03-22-2004, 12:50 PM
#2 Robert Gallery

General Mike
03-22-2004, 12:51 PM
#2 pick - larry fitzgerald

mckerney
03-22-2004, 01:01 PM
2. Robert Gallery

General Mike
03-22-2004, 01:02 PM
Way to go General...
:o :mad:

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:03 PM
# 3 Rothenburger...

corbes
03-22-2004, 01:03 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona
4. New York Giants
5. Washington
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

corbes
03-22-2004, 01:04 PM
Arizona - Roethlisberger

Samdari
03-22-2004, 01:04 PM
Since mckerney was the third vote:

The xxxxxxx's select Gallery

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OL, Iowa
3. Arizona
4. New York Giants
5. Washington
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:05 PM
keep up people

General Mike
03-22-2004, 01:08 PM
3 - roethlisberger

mckerney
03-22-2004, 01:08 PM
3. Mike Williams

Doug5984
03-22-2004, 01:09 PM
# 3 Fitzgerald

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:10 PM
4 fitzgerald

mckerney
03-22-2004, 01:12 PM
4. Ben Roethlisberger

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:12 PM
4. Ben Roethlisberger

went to arizona at 3

corbes
03-22-2004, 01:13 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants
5. Washington
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

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One vote already for Larry Fitzgerald in the #4 slot.
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mckerney
03-22-2004, 01:14 PM
Damn, missed that. In that case

4. Larry Fitzgerald

corbes
03-22-2004, 01:14 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:15 PM
5 Sean Taylor

mckerney
03-22-2004, 01:15 PM
5. Sean Taylor

Sharpieman
03-22-2004, 01:17 PM
5. Tommie Harris

Honolulu_Blue
03-22-2004, 01:18 PM
5 Kellen Winslow

General Mike
03-22-2004, 01:23 PM
5. harris

corbes
03-22-2004, 01:25 PM
5. Winslow

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:25 PM
that imettrentgreen guy is sure to cast the deciding vote...

Samdari
03-22-2004, 01:33 PM
5 Harris. DTs are just harder to find

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:34 PM
6 Winslow

Samdari
03-22-2004, 01:34 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit
7. Cleveland
8. Atlanta
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Samdari
03-22-2004, 01:34 PM
6 Taylor

corbes
03-22-2004, 01:37 PM
6 Taylor

Sublime
03-22-2004, 01:42 PM
6 Taylor

Honolulu_Blue
03-22-2004, 01:43 PM
6 Taylor

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 01:43 PM
7 Mike Williams

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 01:47 PM
7. Mike Williams

mckerney
03-22-2004, 02:02 PM
7. Mike Williams

mckerney
03-22-2004, 02:02 PM
8. Kellen Winslow

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:03 PM
8. Vincent Wilfork

JAG
03-22-2004, 02:04 PM
Heh, how much would Vick love to have Winslow to throw to?

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 02:05 PM
8 Wilfork

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:05 PM
Heh, how much would Vick love to have Winslow to throw to?
It's not a bad fit, but they have some serious needs on defense.

Samdari
03-22-2004, 02:07 PM
Aye, Wilfork. You guys have Cleveland taking a WR? No way that happens.

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:07 PM
Actually Winslow is a terrible fit. Alge Crumpler people.

Samdari
03-22-2004, 02:08 PM
bumpdate

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:08 PM
Aye, Wilfork. You guys have Cleveland taking a WR? No way that happens.
yeah. that was a pretty bad pick in retrospect.

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:09 PM
9. Kenechi Udeze

Samdari
03-22-2004, 02:10 PM
yeah. that was a pretty bad pick in retrospect.

justify it by saying we are picking for slot. Mike Williams makes sense there, but nobody (except maybe Wilfork) does for Cleveland. Someone (who, we don't know) trades up to 7 for Williams.

General Mike
03-22-2004, 02:12 PM
9. roy williams

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 02:13 PM
With Garcia a big possesion guy makes sense...Williams could fit the bill out of the gate...

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:13 PM
justify it by saying we are picking for slot. Mike Williams makes sense there, but nobody (except maybe Wilfork) does for Cleveland. Someone (who, we don't know) trades up to 7 for Williams.
and anything can happen here at 9. This is where things start to get interesting.

Samdari
03-22-2004, 02:14 PM
really, I think this is one of the least volatile picks in the first round. J'ville will stay still and take

Roy Williams

They frankly have too much $ invested into DE's to spend a high pick on them.

Samdari
03-22-2004, 02:15 PM
With Garcia a big possesion guy makes sense...Williams could fit the bill out of the gate...

But if they don't do something about the OL, Garcia could be done by October.

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 02:16 PM
But if they don't do something about the OL, Garcia could be done by October.

Either way OL is not addressed with this pick...

Bearcat729
03-22-2004, 02:18 PM
There is no reason for Cleveland to draft WR at #7 when there are other major problems on the team. It looks like this draft is basically just ranking players.

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:19 PM
There is no reason for Cleveland to draft WR at #7 when there are other major problems on the team. It looks like this draft is basically just ranking players.
No, we're simulating the bad management in Cleveland. :)

Now someone toss in some J-ville suggestions so we can move on.

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 02:20 PM
9 Udeze

albionmoonlight
03-22-2004, 02:21 PM
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1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston
11. Pittsburgh
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England
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rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 02:23 PM
10 Smith DE

Samdari
03-22-2004, 02:26 PM
10 Udeze. this pick makes sense

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:27 PM
10. DeAngelo Hall (CB).

I think if Wilfork isn't there, they will trade down.

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:28 PM
10 Udeze. this pick makes sense
Udeze certainly makes a bit more sense than Smith... but i think it's risky going DE so high with a 3-4 defense. It's easier to move out a quick DT than it is to make a 4-3 DE play end in the NFL (IMHO).

rkmsuf
03-22-2004, 02:29 PM
I actually forgot Udeze was still on the board...

General Mike
03-22-2004, 02:30 PM
10. Udeze

cthomer5000
03-22-2004, 02:34 PM
11. Philip Rivers

Samdari
03-22-2004, 02:35 PM
Udeze certainly makes a bit more sense than Smith... but i think it's risky going DE so high with a 3-4 defense. It's easier to move out a quick DT than it is to make a 4-3 DE play end in the NFL (IMHO).

Udeze went to USC as a DT. He is actually more of a quick DT than an NFL 4-3 end.

General Mike
03-22-2004, 02:46 PM
11. Rivers

mckerney
03-22-2004, 10:58 PM
Being it looks like we're still on pick 10, I'll say:

10. Chris Gamble

Ryche
03-22-2004, 11:44 PM
Just to be contrary

10. DeAngelo Hall

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 10:47 AM
still stuck on pick 10. A 3rd vote for Udeze or Hall would make him the pick. Here's where it stands:

DE Udeze 2
CB Hall 2
DE Smith 1
CB Gamble 1

And there is already 2 votes for Philip Rivers on the next pick.

rkmsuf
03-23-2004, 10:48 AM
10 Udeze

vex
03-23-2004, 10:50 AM
11. Rivers

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 10:52 AM
11. Rivers

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 10:52 AM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England
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12. DeAngelo Hall (CB)

vex
03-23-2004, 10:53 AM
That makes four votes for Rivers at 11.

General Mike
03-23-2004, 10:53 AM
12. DeAngelo Hall

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 10:55 AM
12. Chris Gamble

vex
03-23-2004, 10:56 AM
12. Chris Gamble

vex
03-23-2004, 10:57 AM
Hall - 2
Gamble -2

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 10:59 AM
And they will definitely go CB right here. My guess is one of these two will already be gone though.

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 11:08 AM
I actually thought they were going to go DE here, but Udeze got taken

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 11:43 AM
I actually thought they were going to go DE here, but Udeze got taken
If they go DE, I'm heading to their headquarters with a automatic weapon. :mad:

vex
03-23-2004, 11:46 AM
After doing some reading, I'm changing my pick from Gamble to Hall, which gives him 3 votes.

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 11:47 AM
DeAngelo Hall it is.

#13 - TE Kellen Winslow

albionmoonlight
03-23-2004, 11:50 AM
I think that Gamble is the overrated "top" prospect here. I also think that the Jets will pick him anyway.

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
13. Buffalo
14. Chicago
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England
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Ryche
03-23-2004, 11:51 AM
13. - DE Will Smith

vex
03-23-2004, 11:55 AM
13. Kellen Winslow

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 11:56 AM
13. Will Smith

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 11:59 AM
albion, Hall was already the pick at #12. Me, General Mike, and Vexroid where the 3 votes there.

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 12:00 PM
I think that Gamble is the overrated "top" prospect here. I also think that the Jets will pick him anyway.<!-- / message -->I'm also very leery of Gamble, he's way too much of a ....risk (ha! you thought I would say "gamble"). He's only played just defense 1 year, and seems pretty stiff for a CB. That being said, he sounds like the perfect bone-headed move for the Jets. :( This front office is horrible.

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 12:01 PM
right now:
Winslow 2
Smith 2

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 12:01 PM
Aye, Wilfork. You guys have Cleveland taking a WR? No way that happens.
I agree, the Browns already have Andre Davis and Dennis Northcutt. They don't need another WR as much as they need another offensive lineman or they would take Winslow to help Garcia.

wig
03-23-2004, 12:03 PM
13. Winslow

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 12:03 PM
I agree, the Browns already have Andre Davis and Dennis Northcutt. They don't need another WR as much as they need another offensive lineman or they would take Winslow to help Garcia.
FYI, They are currently trying to trade Northcutt - so maybe it isn't entirely out of the question that they'd take Williams if he was there.

cthomer5000
03-23-2004, 12:03 PM
#13 is now official. TE Kellen Winslow, Jr to Buffalo

#14 Chicago - DE Will Smith

vex
03-23-2004, 12:09 PM
14. Kevin Jones

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 12:11 PM
14. Will Smith

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 12:12 PM
FYI, They are currently trying to trade Northcutt - so maybe it isn't entirely out of the question that they'd take Williams if he was there.
I guess it isn't out of the question, but more likely they would chose a player for there more immediate needs. And Winslow fits the mold.

mckerney
03-23-2004, 01:34 PM
14. Randy Starks

General Mike
03-23-2004, 03:55 PM
14. Gamble

wig
03-23-2004, 04:08 PM
#14 Kevin Jones

stevew
03-23-2004, 04:17 PM
#14 Kevin Jones

mckerney
03-23-2004, 04:41 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami University
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Univerity of Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Univerity of Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow, Jr, TE, Univerity of Miami
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 04:42 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England
Now on to the 15th pick: Tampa Bay

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 04:43 PM
dola - ya beat me to it...my bad. 15. Randy Starks

mckerney
03-23-2004, 04:43 PM
15. Randy Starks

Gives Tampa a replacement for Sapp at DT.

Sublime
03-23-2004, 05:05 PM
15. Starks

Have to keep up their D.

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 05:15 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England
Now the Niners...

Sharpieman
03-23-2004, 05:16 PM
16. WR Reggie Williams - After the losses of TO and Tai Streets, this is a logical choice.

albionmoonlight
03-23-2004, 05:48 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Editing #12 because it looks like Hall was picked before I was the third vote for Gamble.

Unless I post over someone, we have one vote for R. Williams right now for S.F. at #16.

mckerney
03-23-2004, 05:56 PM
16 - Reggie Williams

Samdari
03-27-2004, 09:30 AM
disappointed this fizzled. we need to get at least through the first round.

I think the Niners will shock the world and take Woods over Reggie Williams, I will cast my vote here for Williams to advance a pick.

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati
18. New Orleans
19. Minnesota
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Editing #12 because it looks like Hall was picked before I was the third vote for Gamble.

Unless I post over someone, we have one vote for R. Williams right now for S.F. at #16.

General Mike
03-27-2004, 10:34 AM
17. Gamble

wig
03-27-2004, 10:38 AM
17. Gamble

cthomer5000
03-27-2004, 11:33 AM
17, gamble

18. OT Shawn Andrews, Arkansas

mckerney
03-27-2004, 12:44 PM
18. Dunta Robinson

Ryche
03-27-2004, 12:50 PM
18. Dunta Robinson

albionmoonlight
03-27-2004, 04:43 PM
18. Derrick Strait, CB, Oklahoma

(I hear that the Saints are very high on him. While this may be a bit high to pick him, I feel compelled to vote in accordance with the one piece of "inside" knowledge that I have about the draft.)

General Mike
03-27-2004, 05:10 PM
18. Shawn Andrews

BishopMVP
03-27-2004, 05:16 PM
18. Dunta Robinson

mckerney
03-27-2004, 05:17 PM
19. Will Smith

If the Vikings can get him I'll be very happy.

albionmoonlight
03-27-2004, 05:22 PM
I don't see Smith falling this far, but if he does, I agree with

19. Will Smith

I think that D.J. Williams is more likely here.

BishopMVP
03-27-2004, 05:32 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson
19. Minnesota Will Smith
20. Miami
21. New England (from Baltimore)
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Noop
03-27-2004, 05:55 PM
#20 P.K. Sam

General Mike
03-27-2004, 06:20 PM
20. Shawn Andrews

Archer219
03-27-2004, 06:52 PM
20. Miami - Shawn Andrews

BishopMVP
03-27-2004, 06:56 PM
20 - Shawn Andrews

BishopMVP
03-27-2004, 06:56 PM
21. Steven Jackson (I doubt he falls this far)

Archer219
03-27-2004, 07:00 PM
21. New England - Steven Jackson

Noop
03-27-2004, 07:18 PM
21. Greg Jones

Ryche
03-27-2004, 09:01 PM
21. Steven Jackson

Archer219
03-28-2004, 04:08 PM
22. Dallas - Chris Perry

Samdari
03-28-2004, 04:10 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson
19. Minnesota Will Smith
20. Miami Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England (from Baltimore) Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St.
22. Dallas
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Hmm, everyone I have seen Dallas linked to is gone. They have only second tier prospects left at the positions they need most. The best of the bunch is:

Will Poole, CB, USC

Archer219
03-28-2004, 04:12 PM
Nevermind. Beaten to the punch.

Noop
03-28-2004, 04:37 PM
22. P.K. Sam

k0ruptr
03-28-2004, 04:45 PM
22. DJ Williams

General Mike
03-28-2004, 05:52 PM
22. Jonathan Vilma

cthomer5000
03-28-2004, 06:20 PM
22. P.K. Sam
credibility....fading.....

Noop
03-28-2004, 06:24 PM
credibility....fading.....
Really care to tell me why? He is a legit 6'3 runs a 4.5 and did well in all his drills for scouts. I know he isn't a first round but I feel he should go to Dallas seeing how they may need a young receiver in the future after MeShawn retires or becomes even more non productive...

cthomer5000
03-28-2004, 06:30 PM
Really care to tell me why? He is a legit 6'3 runs a 4.5 and did well in all his drills for scouts. I know he isn't a first round but I feel he should go to Dallas seeing how they may need a young receiver in the future after MeShawn retires or becomes even more non productive...
So even by your own admission, with a great number of better receivers available... they're going to take P.K. Sam?

And I don't think they'll take a WR in the first round.

Noop
03-28-2004, 06:36 PM
Nevermind I was mistaken.... I stand corrected.

albionmoonlight
03-28-2004, 06:43 PM
22 D.J. Williams

mckerney
03-28-2004, 06:44 PM
As far as who's better than P.K. Sam, here's a few:

Michael Clayton
Michael Jenkins
Lee Evans
Rashaun Woods
Devery Henderson

mckerney
03-28-2004, 06:45 PM
22. D.J. Williams

sovereignstar
03-28-2004, 06:46 PM
Who's P.K. Sam?

mckerney
03-28-2004, 06:49 PM
Who's P.K. Sam?

Wide reciever who left FSU after his Junior season, which was a mistake because of the other recievers who are in this draft class. He's only had one 100+ yard recieving game in his career, and last year had 50 catches for 735 yards and 5 TDs.

sovereignstar
03-28-2004, 06:51 PM
Nevermind. I see theinsiders.com has him ranked at #23.

So Noop wasn't that far off.

Oh, my bad. TheInsiders have him ranked as the 23rd-best WR.

albionmoonlight
03-28-2004, 07:00 PM
With McKerney's vote, we now stand at

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fl)
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami (Fl)
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami (Fl)
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
19. Minnesota Will Smith, DE, Ohio State
20. Miami Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England (from Baltimore) Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St.
22. Dallas D.J. Williams, LB, Miami (Fl)
23. Seattle
24. Denver
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

mckerney
03-28-2004, 07:03 PM
23. Darnell Dockett, DT, FSU

dawgfan
03-28-2004, 07:34 PM
The Seahawks really need interior D-linemen and inside Linebackers. With Harris, Wilfork and Starks off the board, I think they'd rather pick a DT in another round rather than reach. Jonathan Vilma is a definite possibility here, but I think Holmgren might pass on him due to his size and go with Teddy Lehman and convert him to a MLB.

albionmoonlight
03-29-2004, 07:48 AM
23. Vilma, ILB, Miami (Fl)

Samdari
03-29-2004, 07:54 AM
23 Dockett.

Other prospects are rated higher at their positions, but with DT now the hardest position in the league to fill, he becomes a first rounder, Lehman will in no circumstance go in the first round, there are 5-6 LBs ahead of him.

corbes
03-29-2004, 07:57 AM
23. Vilma

I think Vilma's going pretty soon. Right here's a good a spot as any. I think he's on the Eagle radar, too.

cthomer5000
03-29-2004, 07:58 AM
23. Vilma, rather than reach for a DT.

I have no real read on Denver at 24... I'll have to look into that.

Samdari
03-29-2004, 08:12 AM
24 Ben Troupe, TE, Florida

nole4sho
03-29-2004, 09:28 AM
Wide reciever who left FSU after his Junior season, which was a mistake because of the other recievers who are in this draft class. He's only had one 100+ yard recieving game in his career, and last year had 50 catches for 735 yards and 5 TDs.

I am not Noop but P.K. did not make a mistake. He wouldn't have improved with Chris Rix still running the offense. I can name you countless times P.K. or any other reciever was open and Chris just chose to throw to Cro for the long pass instead of the under routes. Also he has Lorne Same, Chris Davis, Decody Fagg, D-Rob and a few freshman chopping at the bit for playing time. So he did not make a wrong choice at all... Also he is 6'3 runs 4.5 and is has a hugh upside in a few years he will be one of the best in this draft.

cthomer5000
03-29-2004, 09:30 AM
I am not Noop but P.K. did not make a mistake. He wouldn't have improved with Chris Rix still running the offense. I can name you countless times P.K. or any other reciever was open and Chris just chose to throw to Cro for the long pass instead of the under routes. Also he has Lorne Same, Chris Davis, Decody Fagg, D-Rob and a few freshman chopping at the bit for playing time. So he did not make a wrong choice at all... Also he is 6'3 runs 4.5 and is has a hugh upside in a few years he will be one of the best in this draft.
Even if he would be the exact same player next year, he'd be in a weaker WR class - therfore moving himself up signficantly. This might be the deepest WR class ever, it was almost certainly a mistake to come out early.

nole4sho
03-29-2004, 09:34 AM
Even if he would be the exact same player next year, he'd be in a weaker WR class - therfore moving himself up signficantly. This might be the deepest WR class ever, it was almost certainly a mistake to come out early.

The thing is he wouldn't have improved much by staying at Florida State. He would still be in the same boat as he is in this year. I would assume he figured I rather get paid now and learn to play the pro game since, playing at Florida State he won't get much PT.

Samdari
03-29-2004, 09:56 AM
I would assume he figured I rather get paid now and learn to play the pro game since, playing at Florida State he won't get much PT.

If he's not good enough to play at Florida St., he's not good enough to play in the NFL.

nole4sho
03-29-2004, 11:05 AM
If he's not good enough to play at Florida St., he's not good enough to play in the NFL.

I think you misunderstood me. He won't get much PT because he would have to share his time with the rest of the recievers on the team. He would be a starter in name only as he would rotate in and out with the younger players to get them ready for the next season.

Samdari
03-29-2004, 11:31 AM
I think you misunderstood me. He won't get much PT because he would have to share his time with the rest of the recievers on the team. He would be a starter in name only as he would rotate in and out with the younger players to get them ready for the next season.

You misunderstand me. If he were anything more than a fringe type NFL reciever, those youngsters would not see the field. He's not as big, not as fast, as SU's Johnnie Morant, and Morant will be a third rounder, and never make an impact in the NFL. The list of guys who were big and fast, but could not play, is limitless. Sam is one of them.

nole4sho
03-29-2004, 11:40 AM
You misunderstand me. If he were anything more than a fringe type NFL reciever, those youngsters would not see the field. He's not as big, not as fast, as SU's Johnnie Morant, and Morant will be a third rounder, and never make an impact in the NFL. The list of guys who were big and fast, but could not play, is limitless. Sam is one of them.

So what your saying is he can not play? That is a foolish statement if I ever heard one. He can not possible be like Morant who is the most talented reciever on his team. The are more then just one guy at Florida State with talent not just PK. If he played for SU he would put up the same if not better number then Morant.

Morant is 6'4 runs a 4.54 weighting 229
Sam is 6'3 runs 4.5 210

sound the same to me.

Samdari
03-29-2004, 11:49 AM
So what your saying is he can not play? That is a foolish statement if I ever heard one. He can not possible be like Morant who is the most talented reciever on his team. The are more then just one guy at Florida State with talent not just PK. If he played for SU he would put up the same if not better number then Morant.

Morant is 6'4 runs a 4.54 weighting 229
Sam is 6'3 runs 4.5 210

sound the same to me.

Morant ran a 4.40 at SU's pro day. He is bigger, and faster, than Sam. Morant still can't play - at least not to NFL caliber. I was using Morant as an example of someone who was big and fast yet did not possess the football instincts to be a great football player. You are right - he is very similar to Sam.

Sam is a good college player - as good or better than Morant. Neither will ever make an appreciable impact in the NFL.

I was just taking issue with the idea that Sam made a smart decision going to the NFL this year because he would not play much in college, but could star in the NFL. That is a ridiculous statement. Guys who will be NFL stars play full time - even at FSU.

rkmsuf
03-29-2004, 11:52 AM
Morant ran a 4.40 at SU's pro day. He is bigger, and faster, than Sam. Morant still can't play - at least not to NFL caliber. I was using Morant as an example of someone who was big and fast yet did not possess the football instincts to be a great football player. You are right - he is very similar to Sam.

Sam is a good college player - as good or better than Morant. Neither will ever make an appreciable impact in the NFL.

I was just taking issue with the idea that Sam made a smart decision going to the NFL this year because he would not play much in college, but could star in the NFL. That is a ridiculous statement. Guys who will be NFL stars play full time - even at FSU.

That's the genius of it. Suck in college, go in the draft and get that 6th round rookie deal...

General Mike
03-29-2004, 11:54 AM
Back to the draft

24. Ben Troupe

albionmoonlight
03-29-2004, 02:57 PM
While Denver may take a WR here, I think that the safer bet is

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fl)
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami (Fl)
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami (Fl)
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
19. Minnesota Will Smith, DE, Ohio State
20. Miami Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England (from Baltimore) Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St.
22. Dallas D.J. Williams, LB, Miami (Fl)
23. Seattle Jon Vilma, LB, Miami (Fl)
24. Denver Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
25. Green Bay
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

25. Green Bay--J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane

BishopMVP
03-29-2004, 04:19 PM
Guys who will be NFL stars play full time - even at FSU.
Brad Johnson and Lavaranues Coles?

k0ruptr
03-29-2004, 04:27 PM
25. losman

mckerney
03-29-2004, 04:38 PM
25. Odom

Samdari
03-29-2004, 09:02 PM
It'll probably be Odom or some DL.

But I'll go with Losman here, because I think I am smarter than the GB braintrust..

General Mike
03-29-2004, 09:38 PM
25. Losman, if they finally decide to take the QB of the future.

Archer219
03-29-2004, 11:01 PM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fl)
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami (Fl)
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami (Fl)
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
19. Minnesota Will Smith, DE, Ohio State
20. Miami Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England (from Baltimore) Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St
22. Dallas D.J. Williams, LB, Miami (Fl)
23. Seattle Jon Vilma, LB, Miami (Fl)
24. Denver Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
25. Green Bay J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
26. St. Louis
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

26. Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama

Samdari
03-30-2004, 07:01 AM
Odom

ps, he busts. hard.

albionmoonlight
03-30-2004, 11:58 AM
26. Rashaun Woods, WR, Ok. St.

Once again, Martz goes for the greed pick over the need pick.

Ryche
03-30-2004, 01:01 PM
26. TE Ben Watson - Add a TE with 4.5 speed and really give defenses a headache.

albionmoonlight
04-01-2004, 10:51 AM
Bump.

One last chance to finish the first round before this thread fades into Bolivian.

mckerney
04-01-2004, 10:57 AM
26. Jason Babin, DE

General Mike
04-01-2004, 11:14 AM
26. Odom

Blade6119
04-01-2004, 11:16 AM
TE Ben Watson

Noble_Platypus
04-01-2004, 11:26 AM
TE Watson

albionmoonlight
04-01-2004, 11:47 AM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fl)
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami (Fl)
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami (Fl)
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
19. Minnesota Will Smith, DE, Ohio State
20. Miami Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England (from Baltimore) Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St
22. Dallas D.J. Williams, LB, Miami (Fl)
23. Seattle Jon Vilma, LB, Miami (Fl)
24. Denver Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
25. Green Bay J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
26. St. Louis Ben Watson, TE, UGA
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

Noble_Platypus
04-01-2004, 12:16 PM
Tenn Vernon Carey

Samdari
04-01-2004, 12:49 PM
Has to be a DL here. I now am thinking that Odom will drop, so

Jason Babin, DE, Western Michigan.

Blade6119
04-01-2004, 12:55 PM
Watson is from Georgia

Archer219
04-04-2004, 12:49 PM
Counting myself, General Mike, and Samdari, there were three votes for Antwan Odom before there were three for Watson, so the up to date board should look like.

1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fl)
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami (Fl)
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami (Fl)
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
19. Minnesota Will Smith, DE, Ohio State
20. Miami Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England (from Baltimore) Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St
22. Dallas D.J. Williams, LB, Miami (Fl)
23. Seattle Jon Vilma, LB, Miami (Fl)
24. Denver Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
25. Green Bay J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
26. St. Louis Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama
27. Tennessee
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

And, as to Tennessee's pick:

27. Jason Babin, DE, Western Michigan

Chubby
04-04-2004, 12:54 PM
if Buffalo actually gets Winslow... (drool)

Noop
04-07-2004, 10:45 AM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/mock/round3.html

Has P.K. Sam going in the third and Mel Kiper has him going in the second round....

albionmoonlight
04-07-2004, 10:50 AM
1. San Diego Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi
2. Oakland Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa
3. Arizona Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami-Ohio
4. New York Giants Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh
5. Washington Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma
6. Detroit Sean Taylor, S, Miami (Fl)
7. Cleveland Mike Williams, WR, USC
8. Atlanta Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami (Fl)
9. Jacksonville Roy Williams, WR, Texas
10. Houston Kenichi Udeze, DE, USC
11. Pittsburgh Phillip Rivers, QB, NC State
12. New York Jets DeAngelo Hall, CB, Va Tech
13. Buffalo Kellen Winslow Jr., TE, Miami (Fl)
14. Chicago Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech
15. Tampa Bay Randy Starks, DT, Maryland
16. San Francisco Reggie Williams, WR, Washington
17. Cincinnati Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State
18. New Orleans Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina
19. Minnesota Will Smith, DE, Ohio State
20. Miami Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas
21. New England (from Baltimore) Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St
22. Dallas D.J. Williams, LB, Miami (Fl)
23. Seattle Jon Vilma, LB, Miami (Fl)
24. Denver Ben Troupe, TE, Florida
25. Green Bay J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane
26. St. Louis Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama
27. Tennessee Jason Babin, DE, W. Michigan
28. Philadelphia
29. Indianapolis
30. Kansas City
31. Carolina
32. New England

I agree that Tenn will go DE here.

And I think that Philadelphia, after making the sexy T.O. splash in FA, will go boring here and pick up Jake Grove, C, Va. Tech.

Archer219
04-08-2004, 12:48 AM
28. Will Poole, CB, USC

Samdari
04-08-2004, 06:58 AM
28. Poole