OT: The 3rd annual Chan Ho Park blows thread

[HornedFrog Purple]

Like the last couple of years, I will post Chan Ho Park's line for each game he pitches in. Last year, this thread didn't last long as our hero only lasted 7 starts.

I encourage participation in predicting our hero's final stats for the year. I predict 5-19, 5.43 ERA

But this is a new season. Game 1 against Oakland. Here we go:

7 2/3 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 1 HR

So Chan Ho is 0-1, 3.52 ERA for the season

Clearly this was not Chan Ho. The Rangers had obviously gotten an illegal immigrant from Cuba to pitch the first 5 innings.

I am sure things will settle down and Chan Ho will regain his stellar form.

Discuss.

[Ksyrup]

I can't recall where, but within the past week I read that Park's velocity is up and he's looking as good as when he was with the Dodgers. The first start is certainly an encouraging sign.

Although, my guess is you'd rather this guy kiss Jackie Sherrill square on the lips.

[sachmo71]

Yeah, his ass lips. Chan Ho is the egg on Hicks' face. Forget A-Rod.

[HornedFrog Purple]

True. :D

I contend that part of the reason Arod is no longer with the Rangers is Mr. Park.

You are right though, he was hitting 92-93 on the gun and he has supposedly rediscovered his splitter. He did look good for the first 5 innings I must painfully admit.

[MikeVic]

Judging by the first two Jays' games, I'd like a pitcher like Chan here. :( As for stat predictions, I'd say 8-14 with a 4.86 ERA.

[thealmighty]

Maybe if he discovered his spitter, he would do better.


Gaylord Perry, come back to Arlington!!!!!!

[QuikSand]

Do we really think that Park woudl be sent out to los 19 games?

If he's piss-poor again this year, I have to think that they would suddenly locate a nagging injury (right about the time he hit 2-8) and place him onto the injured list - allowing one of their not-so-brilliant young arms to get some chances instead.

I can't see him losing more than about 10 games this year... I just don't think they wuld have the nerve.

[corbes]

4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Do we really think that Park woudl be sent out to los 19 games?

If he's piss-poor again this year, I have to think that they would suddenly locate a nagging injury (right about the time he hit 2-8) and place him onto the injured list - allowing one of their not-so-brilliant young arms to get some chances instead.

I can't see him losing more than about 10 games this year... I just don't think they wuld have the nerve.

I picked 19 because I don't think they would have the nerve to send him out for 20. :) (yes I don't like him very much)

It is an interesting question though, considering how much money he is making a season (and has made already for his resume of garbage results for this team) whether they would do that, because the potential to lose 20 games is within reach if he is healthy and continues his past form. He doesn't have the offensive firepower of past years to bail him out.

I think the question is, if he does continue to be piss-poor, what do they do with him for next season and beyond.

[rkmsuf]

I picked 19 because I don't think they would have the nerve to send him out for 20. :) (yes I don't like him very much)

It is an interesting question though, considering how much money he is making a season (and has made already for his resume of garbage results for this team) whether they would do that, because the potential to lose 20 games is within reach if he is healthy and continues his past form. He doesn't have the offensive firepower of past years to bail him out.

I think the question is, if he does continue to be piss-poor, what do they do with him for next season and beyond.

Can he cook? Perhaps he could be in charge of whipping up the post game spread...

[MikeVic]

I picked 19 because I don't think they would have the nerve to send him out for 20. :) (yes I don't like him very much)

It is an interesting question though, considering how much money he is making a season (and has made already for his resume of garbage results for this team) whether they would do that, because the potential to lose 20 games is within reach if he is healthy and continues his past form. He doesn't have the offensive firepower of past years to bail him out.

I think the question is, if he does continue to be piss-poor, what do they do with him for next season and beyond.

How long is Park signed for?

[HornedFrog Purple]

5 years.. so 2007 I think.

Edit: 5 years/$65 million in 2002.

[Senator]

The sub bet here is his injury over/under. He will never make it to the All Star Game.

He lives up to his middle name.

[cartman]

well, a virtual Chan Ho Park is tearing it up in 2007 in the UBL. He's 11-4 with a sub 2 ERA :D

[HornedFrog Purple]

Thankfully our hero has returned to his proper form.

Our hero's start against Anaheim:

6.0 IP,10 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HR

For the season: 0-2 5.93 ERA

Thanks for not letting me down Chan!!

[HornedFrog Purple]

dola

Here is what everyone has picked thus far:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game

[Cringer]

sorry, i thought this was a thread about a asian porn star..........

(quietly slips out the door)

[Senator]

Oh it is Cringer. It is.

See middle name of said player.

[KevinNU7]

Put me down for Long Reliever by August

[HornedFrog Purple]

Gah this pains me to type this out. Here is his latest start against Seattle:

7.0 IP, 8 H, 0 R,0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K, 0 HR

1-2 3.92 ERA for the season. Crud.

He hit 95 a couple times on the gun.

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August

[sterlingice]

Ooh! I never saw this thread before. I think I'll go with "Chan Ho returns to form before injuring himself". At the end of the year, after some garbage time in the last month or two, 6-13 with a 5.17

SI

[Tasan]

10-10, 4.58, and shows just enough to tantilize the Rangers into believing he can actually play, but is injured late.

[sterlingice]

10-10, 4.58, and shows just enough to tantilize the Rangers into believing he can actually play, but is injured late.
Nah, that's in the contract year ;)

SI

[Vince]

16-8, 3.53 ERA

Just to buck the trend :)

[PilotMan]

Well for starters the Rangers stink. So, even if he pitches good, he is going to have a losing record. That said my prediction is going to be 11-13 with a 4.49 ERA. This would be a step back in the right direction for his career, but not the Messiah that Texas wsa looking for.

[oykib]

12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.

[Logan]

California Penal League.

[MrBug708]

11-13 with a 5.13 ERA. ERA blows, but hell, 11 wins from a pitcher not named Kenny Rogers? It's like Christmas....

[HornedFrog Purple]

wow this is a record for predictions for the Chan Ho thread.

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August
sterlingice: 6-13 5.17 ERA
Tasan: 10-10, 4.58 ERA
Vince: 16-8, 3.53 ERA
PilotMan: 11-13, 4.49 ERA
oykib: 12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.
Logan: California Penal League
MrBug708: 11-13, 5.13 ERA

[Racer]

12-11, 4.38 ERA

[Grid Iron]

I'm in.

15-9, 3.71 ERA

:p

[korme]

16-8, 3.53 ERA

Just to buck the trend :)
Was going to do something similar http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


9-9, 4.14 ERA

[oykib]

California Penal League.

Major League reference spotted!

[cartman]

well, a virtual Chan Ho Park is tearing it up in 2007 in the UBL. He's 11-4 with a sub 2 ERA :D

The Virtual Chan Ho is back in real life form. He's lost 5 decisions in a row, and is 12-10 with an almost 4 ERA.

[sterlingice]

Major League reference spotted! Maybe all of Chan Ho's problems can be solved with glasses! (and about 10 mph on his fastball and some control)

SI

[MikeVic]

Maybe all of Chan Ho's problems can be solved with glasses! (and about 10 mph on his fastball and some control)

SI

What could his theme music be though? :confused:

[JeeberD]

8-14 5.28 ERA

I might be too generous on the number of victories...

[Tasan]

Chan's off to a great start today....2 on 2 out, 3 run bomb to Glaus.....wonder-frickin-ful.....

[Fonzie]

9-12, 4.81 ERA.

[JeeberD]

Hooray for Glaus! He's on my fantasy team... :)

[Tasan]

6-2 Anaheim, in the 2nd now. Buck is pacing in the dugout already... I think several runs in this inning were unearned though. Thats such a misnomer with Chan pitching....

[sterlingice]

<table class="yspwhitebg" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="560"> <tbody><tr align="right" class="ysprow1"><td align="left">C. Park (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5187) </td> <td>2.0</td> <td>5</td> <td>6</td> <td>6</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>5.96</td></tr></tbody> </table>
(after just 2)

SI

[Chief Rum]

Thank God for Chan Ho Park. We seem to have turned the Rangers into the 1998 Yankees otherwise. Last night, R.A. Dickey, when faced by Angels bats, magically transformed himself into Cy frickin' Young.

Can you tell I am more than a little annoyed that coming into this game today we're 1-5 against the Rangers this season?

CR

[HornedFrog Purple]

haha Chan is so pitiful even the Angels fans booed him off the field!

[Chief Rum]

Heh, heh, remember, a lot of those Angels fans root for the Dodgers, too. They have no love for Park. :)

CR

[Tasan]

I have no idea why Buck left Chan in the game so frickin long. He shouldn't have been in there for that last HR. And its not like the bullpen was overused, the night before as CR has said, Cy Young pitched ;- )

[HornedFrog Purple]

The official line of the ace:

5.1 IP, 6 H, 7 R, 6 ER, 2 BB,1 K, 2 HR

He is now 1-3 5.19 ERA for the season.

Great job Chan!

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August
sterlingice: 6-13 5.17 ERA
Tasan: 10-10, 4.58 ERA
Vince: 16-8, 3.53 ERA
PilotMan: 11-13, 4.49 ERA
oykib: 12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.
Logan: California Penal League
MrBug708: 11-13, 5.13 ERA
Racer: 12-11, 4.38 ERA
GridIron: 15-9, 3.71 ERA
Shorty3281: 9-9, 4.14 ERA
JeeberD: 8-14, 5.28 ERA
Fonzie: 9-12, 4.81 ERA

[sachmo71]

My prediction for Chan Ho: He will be killed by a fireman's axe flying out of the crowd at a home game. The suspect will be reportedly wearing a TCU shirt...

[sterlingice]

My prediction for Chan Ho: He will be killed by a fireman's axe flying out of the crowd at a home game. The suspect will be reportedly wearing a TCU shirt...
LOL :D

Park's almost perfectly on pace for my prediction: ERA only 0.02 away and he's got 3 times as many wins as losses. Go Chan Ho!

SI

[HornedFrog Purple]

Well our hero got his good stuff back against Kansas City:

4.1 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 1 HR (no decision)

Thankfully the Rangers bats bailed him out. I still think he should get credit for a loss but anyways...

This makes him 1-3 for the season with a 5.64 ERA.

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August
sterlingice: 6-13 5.17 ERA
Tasan: 10-10, 4.58 ERA
Vince: 16-8, 3.53 ERA
PilotMan: 11-13, 4.49 ERA
oykib: 12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.
Logan: California Penal League
MrBug708: 11-13, 5.13 ERA
Racer: 12-11, 4.38 ERA
GridIron: 15-9, 3.71 ERA
Shorty3281: 9-9, 4.14 ERA
JeeberD: 8-14, 5.28 ERA
Fonzie: 9-12, 4.81 ERA
sachmo71: some crazy man wearing a TCU t-shirt wacks Chan Ho with an flying axe

[SplitPersonality1]

My prediction: 3-14 6.21 ERA

[HornedFrog Purple]

Our hero took the mound against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. After showing a glimpse of being a competent major league pitcher a couple weeks ago, Chan has clearly returned to his ace status. Tampa Bay jacked him 3 times.

Well done Chan!

5.2 IP, 6 H, 3 R,3 ER, 3 BB, 5 K, 3 HR (all bombs)

Chan again escaped the official loss unfortunately.
His record:

1-3, 5.50 ERA

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August
sterlingice: 6-13 5.17 ERA
Tasan: 10-10, 4.58 ERA
Vince: 16-8, 3.53 ERA
PilotMan: 11-13, 4.49 ERA
oykib: 12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.
Logan: California Penal League
MrBug708: 11-13, 5.13 ERA
Racer: 12-11, 4.38 ERA
GridIron: 15-9, 3.71 ERA
Shorty3281: 9-9, 4.14 ERA
JeeberD: 8-14, 5.28 ERA
Fonzie: 9-12, 4.81 ERA
sachmo71: some crazy man wearing a TCU t-shirt wacks Chan Ho with an flying axe
SplitPersonality1: 3-14, 6.21 ERA

[primelord]

7-13 5.11 ERA

[JeeberD]

Heh, I was thinking about you yesterday, HFP.

For my birthday my girlfriend took me to The Ballpark...err...AmeriQuest Field so we could check out the museum there as well as go on a tour of the stadium. We were hoping that we would be able to get into the clubhouse itself, but since it was an off day the players were there working out and getting ready to head out on their trip to Tampa.

Well, the route of the tour took us right past the clubhouse, and actually the clubhouse is right in front of the tunnel that leads to the dugout. Our guide took us through that tunnel and into the dugout where we got to sit down for a while while he told us tidbits about the park. When we finished that part of the tour we went walking back up the tunnel. About half-way up I noticed that there was a guy walking down the tunnel towards us. He was asian and dressed in a Rangers t-shirt and work-out shorts, so I knew that it had to be our hero. It was a narrow tunnel that we were walking through, and we passed within six inches of Chan Ho. HFP, I was this close to doing you a favor and kicking him in the knee, but I wasn't sure if you would spring for the bail money to set me free for my heroic deed. And crap, when we walked by I even smiled at the loser and nodded at him, but he didn't even acknowledge my existence. Asshole...

Oh, and speaking or crappy pitchers... Since it was an off-day for the Rangers, my girlfriend took me to Frisco so we could catch a RoughRiders game. We had a great time there. That stadium is extremely nice for a minor league park. Anyways, the game was quite the pitchers duel. The starting pitcher for Frisco was a kid name Erik Thompson, and he pitched a very nice game. He gave up a two run homer in the first inning, but after that he didn't give up a hit until the fifth. The starting pitcher for Midland was even better. Shane Komine wasn't dominant, but yet he had a perfect game going until the sixth inning. However, in the eighth inning the Riders found their bats and scored two runs to tie the game up. Well, for some reason the Riders manager decided that for the ninth inning he would take out Erik Thompson and replace him with a guy named Justin Thompson. I'm sure you know that name. The guy was supposed to be the heart of the Juan Gonzalez trade several years ago, but he's been hurt ever since. Well, the first batter he pitches to crushed the ball to center, but luckily Dr Pepper/7Up Ballpark is deep to center and the ball was caught. With the next batter, however, he wasn't so lucky. The ball went out of the park, deep to leftfield. J. Thompson gave up a couple of more hits, but because of some great defense by 2B Jason Bourgeois he only gave up that one run. Still, the loss went to Justin Thompson, the Rangers stud pitcher of the future... :rolleyes:

[HornedFrog Purple]

heh I got police friends in Arlington Jeeber, I would have gotten you out. ;)

As far as Justin Thompson goes, I have no malice towards him but rather to the stupid idiot that preceeded the King of the Idiots John Hart, Doug Melvin who knew Justin Thompson was damaged goods with a ruined shoulder and took him anyway.

F Doug Melvin may he rot in Milwaukee.
F Tom Hicks for plastering obnoxious ads all over what was once a nice ballpark.
F John Hart because he ruins franchises.
Double F to Chan Ho.

[HornedFrog Purple]

The loser was bailed out by the Ranger bats. He did give up two more bombs to the powerhouse Devil Rays.

7.0 IP 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 2 HR (gets win)

So for the season he is 2-3, 5.65 ERA

Unacceptable.

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August
sterlingice: 6-13 5.17 ERA
Tasan: 10-10, 4.58 ERA
Vince: 16-8, 3.53 ERA
PilotMan: 11-13, 4.49 ERA
oykib: 12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.
Logan: California Penal League
MrBug708: 11-13, 5.13 ERA
Racer: 12-11, 4.38 ERA
GridIron: 15-9, 3.71 ERA
Shorty3281: 9-9, 4.14 ERA
JeeberD: 8-14, 5.28 ERA
Fonzie: 9-12, 4.81 ERA
sachmo71: some crazy man wearing a TCU t-shirt wacks Chan Ho with an flying axe
SplitPersonality1: 3-14, 6.21 ERA
Primelord: 7-13, 5.11 ERA

[dawgfan]

Park has been placed on the 15 day DL retroactive to May 20th with a lower back problem. He also seems to be having a high ERA problem...

[sterlingice]

Park has been placed on the 15 day DL retroactive to May 20th with a lower back problem. He also seems to be having a high ERA problem...
"That's not a bug, it's a feature"

SI

[thealmighty]

Who had 2-3, 5.65 ERA in the pool?

[sterlingice]

Who had 2-3, 5.65 ERA in the pool? I dunno but Senator is winning right now with "won't make it until the all-star game".

EDIT: Those retroactive injuries always turn out to be pretty major unless it's just retroactive a couple of days (ie to his previous start so he can get back ASAP). That's just cheating to get him off sooner (because you can retroactive DL a guy back to the last game he played). But if it's been something like 10 days since he's pitched, those always seem to be much bigger injuries.

SI

[Ragone]

I thought long about the posed question "what would chan ho's entry music be"

and then it hit me.. much like hitters jack chan's fast"HA"ball

"You dropped a bomb on me"

[HornedFrog Purple]

I could have sworn I posted about his great return to the DL.

It looks like Senator has the lead, but don't count out Logan, KevinNU7 or sachmo. :D

[Ksyrup]

F John Hart because he ruins franchises.Not quite sure I follow this one...

What was Cleveland before he came? He did tremendous work putting together a contending team. I'm not sure what his specific role was in cultivating the farm system that produced Thome, Lofton, Belle, Baerga, etc., but one thing he did do was lock up all of their young stars (including Vizquel to that 7 year, $21M deal that Vizquel kept bitching about) and ensured an extended playoff run. Sure, he made some bad deals in an attempt to bring in the "missing pieces" for a couple of championship runs (the Gile and Casey trades come to mind), but many teams make those kinds of risk/reward moves when they are close.

It's fairly obvious to me that the A-Rod thing was more Hicks than Hart. I'm sure Hart wasn't opposed to it, but Hicks clearly saw A-Rod as more than just a baseball guy, someone who could bring fans to the ballpark and hock his other wares, and he's Hispanic, to boot. Signing Park was a bad move, of course, but this team is looking pretty good right now, and that's without a front-line SP.

Even if you think he's ruined the Rangers, I don't see how you could conclude that he's "ruined franchises," as if he's done this on more than one occasion. I'm sure the Cleveland faithful would trade Gile and Casey and whatever other moves didn't work out for the decade of front-running they had. And he was an integral part of that.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Because Hart gave up much of Cleveland's future for nothing but bats. He is convinced that bats win pennants. Name me one pitcher Hart got for Cleveland when they had their run. Now look at Cleveland, their pitching is even worse than the Rangers.

He signs Galarraga here. A 40 year old switching leagues has a 2% chance of working out.

He trades Loaiza.

He rushed every pitcher he could to the majors.

Anything that has come out of the Ranger farm system the last couple of years was because of Grady Fuson. When he came here, he went on record saying he was surprised how barren it was. John Hart is responsible.

John Hart personally endorsed Chan Ho Park and his $18 million. John Hart let our best pitcher from last season John Thomson go.

The only thing John Hart can do well is overspend on offense and flush a farm system dry in the process. The day he is gone will be a day of rejoicing, and hopefully Grady Fuson will get the job. Hart can go screw up another franchise somewhere else.

John Hart finally started something which he should have begun 3 years ago which is rebuilding. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out when you have spent ridiculous amounts of money on offense and you still finish double digits behind at the end of three consecutive seasons that you need to try something different.

[Ksyrup]

It worked in Cleveland, though. Bats apparently won 2 pennants and 4 more division titles. They had sufficient pitching to contend for, what, 6-7 years? They led the American League in ERA twice, were ranked 9th twice, and were in the top-half of the league in the other years. You wouldn't take that?

Look at their pitching staffs from 1995 through 2001. They pretty much had solid guys 1-4 in their rotation, and I can only see one or two instances where I would have made a change through trade. And of course, that would have required resources.

Again, he might have/may be ruining the Rangers, but I think the suggestion that he ruined the Indians is laughable.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Well I don't see Cleveland contending any time soon. Their farm system is obliterated from getting bats that got them nothing.

You do realize that in 3 of their 6 division titles, no one else in the division even had a .500 record.

[Ksyrup]

It's called a cycle. He mortgaged the future for an extended shot at championships. After a while, you have to pay the piper. The only reason he did so over a period of years, instead of just for a 1 or 2 year window, is because the team he put together was good/great for that many years. Again, I'm sure Cleveland fans would trade 3-4 years of rebuilding for 6-8 contending. That's not uniqiue.

I'm not sure why the division records matter. They won the division and made the playoffs. Are you suggesting he should have fielded a weaker team those years, stockpiling talent instead of trying to get better, knowing they didn't have much competition in the division? How exactly would that have helped them against the legitimately good teams? And why would you hold that against him? Every year there is at least 1 or 2 weak divisions - I don't see anyone getting less accolades for winning those divisions.

You just don't like the guy for what he's done for the first few years in Texas. Fine. But trying to paint him in broad strokes as incompetent wherever he's gone just doesn't work.

[HornedFrog Purple]

I know what a cycle is. I also know there are much better ways to lessen the effects of a cycle.

You keep painting the picture that Cleveland had this great dynasty going. Actually they were a good team in a horrible division for an extended period of time and took advantage of it. They made it to the Series once, lost in the first round twice. That I will give him credit for.

All you have to do is look at the moves he made to make his team "better". All offensive. That did nothing for them against other good teams.

John Hart is incompetent, you don't change a leopard's spots just because he moved from one team to another. His formula for success don't work.

[HornedFrog Purple]

but one thing he did do was lock up all of their young stars (including Vizquel to that 7 year, $21M deal that Vizquel kept bitching about) and ensured an extended playoff run.

He also signed Glenallen Hill, Mark Whiten, Mark Lewis and Charles Nagy (granted he became injured) to those same type of deals.

[dawgfan]

Anything that has come out of the Ranger farm system the last couple of years was because of Grady Fuson. When he came here, he went on record saying he was surprised how barren it was. John Hart is responsible.

Um, something isn't adding up here. The Rangers had quite a bit of good hitting talent in the minors when Fuson and Hart joined the Rangers after the 2001 season:


Mark Teixiera was drafted in 2001
Laynce Nix was drafted in 2000
Mike Young was acquired via trade in 2000
Hank Blalock was drafted in 1999


Seems to me that Doug Melvin deserves the credit for acquiring the Rangers good young hitters.

[Senator]

bump for no real reason...no reason at all. none. no reason.

[HornedFrog Purple]

well done! Though if he does make it back, sachmo might be right too.

[Senator]

Is this competition officially over?

[sterlingice]

Is this competition officially over?
Nah, it's not over until October. He might steal some "stat padding" time in September or something where his ERA balloons to 7 to match the last couple of years ;)

Or is his season over?

SI

[Senator]

I just haven't heard anything re: him.

This may me one of the worse contract mistakes in history. Other than Sean Bradley on the Mavericks.

[HornedFrog Purple]

he unfortunately made his 4th rehab start in Frisco... there is always hope someone takes his knees out

[JeeberD]

For a small price certain "accidents" can be arranged...

[thealmighty]

Hasn't he gotten blasted every time out at AAA?

[Ksyrup]

Depsite the fact that he has been medically cleared to pitch, Chan Ho Park is still complaining of back pain.

He will take the rest of the week off and then throw a couple of bullpen sessions before he is re-examnined. Rangers' doctors have told Park that his back is structurally sound, but there is still obviously something going on in his lower back. Privately the Texas brain trust does not believe Park will pitch again in the majors this season. Jul. 27 - 8:42 am et

[Senator]

It was the easiest prediction I ever made. Other than in July 2000 saying the election would hinge on Florida.

[HornedFrog Purple]

My back would be hurting too if I had to swivel around and watch all the missiles launched from home plate after I pitched the ball.

[Senator]

Where have you been lately? Lots of fires?

[HornedFrog Purple]

Not really just everybody and their grandmother goes on vacation so it's big bucks for me. :)

Of course I take mine at bowl season so it's all good.

Chan Ho still sucks.

[Senator]

agreed

[Ksyrup]

Chan Ho Park (sore back) had a good bullpen session Saturday and may be ready to go out on yet another rehab assignment.

You should not be counting on Park for anything this season, save for bad minor league pitching. Aug. 2 - 9:14 am et

[HornedFrog Purple]

You should not be counting on Park for anything this season, save for bad minor league pitching. Aug. 2 - 9:14 am et


You should change your handle to Nostradamus.

Chan Ho still sucks.

[Ksyrup]

I just cut-and-pasted from rotoworld.com. They make the smartass comments.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Oh... well those guys at rotoworld.com are underpaid with insider baseball knowledge like that.

[Ksyrup]

That's why it's free!

[Ksyrup]

'Cuz I care...



Chan Ho Park (lower back strain) threw three shutout innings for Triple-A Oklahoma City last night.

He allowed only two hits and struck out three in his first rehab start in almost a month. Park will have to have a couple more good outings in the minors before being considered a candidate to return to the Rangers' rotation. Aug. 6 - 8:49 am et

[HornedFrog Purple]

These guys need an editor badly:

Chan Ho Park (completely sucks) threw three shutout innings against 9 blind one legged hamsters for Triple-A Oklahoma City last night.

He allowed only two hits and struck out three in his first rehab start in almost a month. Park will have to have a couple more million good outings in the minors before being considered a candidate to return to the Rangers' rotation. Aug. 6 - 8:49 am et

[sterlingice]

Good to see you corrected that for them, HFP.

SI

[Ksyrup]

Chan Ho Park gave up four runs on nine hits in five innings in a rehab start for Triple-A Oklahoma.

The Rangers were hoping to see Park go seven innings, but that didn't happen. Until he can go deeper into games, the Rangers will keep him at Oklahoma. Aug. 16 - 8:34 am et

[hhiipp]

Wow, hard to believe they are paying him 13 million.

[QuikSand]

And to think - there are still people who argue that fully-guaranteed contracts in sports are a good thing.

[HornedFrog Purple]

The Rangers were hoping to see Park go seven innings, but that didn't happen. Until he can go deeper into games, the Rangers will keep him at Oklahoma. Aug. 16 - 8:34 am et

If these guys charged for this info and incredible analysis, it wouldn't be enough.

[Ksyrup]

It's free.

[MikeVic]

I don't think my prediction is right. :( I hope he makes it back and performs to my prediciton.. go Chan!!

[Ksyrup]

Get ready to crank up those predictions again...it may not be over!!!



It is very likely that Chan Ho Park will be recalled from Triple-A Oklahoma to start Thursday in place of the struggling Scott Erickson.

Erickson has been terrible since he joined the Rangers (1-3 with a 6.16 ERA over four starts) and Park, who is seemingly over back woes, will replace him in the rotation this week. In four starts at Class AAA, Park is 0-2 with a 3.72 ERA. He has allowed 21 hits and three walks in 19 1/3 innings pitched with 19 strikeouts. Activate him at your own risk. Aug. 24 - 9:00 am et

[Senator]

Noooooooooooooooo.

Leave it to Park to find a way to F me again.

[MikeVic]

Yes! Go Park!

[HornedFrog Purple]

If they consider Scott Erickson struggling, what do they consider Chan Ho's career with the Rangers?

By the way, they are starting a 6'10 kid from Princeton, Chris Young tonight.

[HornedFrog Purple]

dola

I have no idea what the major league record is for number of different starters in a season, but this is the Rangers 16th. Considering their decent record, that is amazing in itself.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah, they're pretty high on Young:


Pitching instructor John Wetteland liked what he saw when he went to observe Chris Young, and now Young is likely to start for the Rangers Tuesday.

Young, 6-foot-10, had an overall record of 8-5 with a 3.87 ERA in the minors this year. Then, with Wetteland watching, he allowed one run on two hits in seven innings against Memphis. He is 3-0 with a 1.48 ERA in five starts at Oklahoma since being promoted from Double-A.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Well since he played center for Princeton's basketball team, if he sucks he can at least teach the pitching staff the motion offense. :D

I have been reading some good stuff about him from his work in the minors for a couple months now, but they wanted to keep him in AAA.

[sterlingice]

dola

I have no idea what the major league record is for number of different starters in a season, but this is the Rangers 16th. Considering their decent record, that is amazing in itself.
Last year, the Royals sent out 15 pitchers to start games and they had a winning record. I would think that teams with awful records would be even worse off.

SI

[sterlingice]

The hunt is on again! From last night's box score:

<table class="yspwhitebg" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="560"> <tbody><tr class="ysprow1" align="right"><td align="left">C. Park (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5187) (W, 3-4)</td> <td>6.0</td> <td>4</td> <td>2</td> <td>2</td> <td>3</td> <td>4</td> <td>0</td> <td>5.50</td></tr></tbody> </table>
SI

[Ksyrup]

That'll earn him another start!

[HornedFrog Purple]

luck

For the season, the ace is now 3-4, 5.50 ERA

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August
sterlingice: 6-13 5.17 ERA
Tasan: 10-10, 4.58 ERA
Vince: 16-8, 3.53 ERA
PilotMan: 11-13, 4.49 ERA
oykib: 12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.
Logan: California Penal League
MrBug708: 11-13, 5.13 ERA
Racer: 12-11, 4.38 ERA
GridIron: 15-9, 3.71 ERA
Shorty3281: 9-9, 4.14 ERA
JeeberD: 8-14, 5.28 ERA
Fonzie: 9-12, 4.81 ERA
sachmo71: some crazy man wearing a TCU t-shirt wacks Chan Ho with an flying axe
SplitPersonality1: 3-14, 6.21 ERA
Primelord: 7-13, 5.11 ERA

Technically Senator is out and KevinNU7 is hanging by a thread. Logan is in trouble too.

I am actually winning the ERA. (5.43 to 5.50)

[Ksyrup]

Man, one more decent outing, and Park might have to be upgraded to "mediocre."

[HornedFrog Purple]

Man, one hundred and thirty one more decent outings, and Park might have to be upgraded to "mediocre."

I agree.

The ace's line vs. Minnesota.

7.1 IP, 8 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 HR

He actually didn't lose the game so his record stays at 3-4 5.14 ERA

Updated predictions:

Me: 4-19 5.43 ERA
MikeVic: 8-14 4.86 ERA
Quiksand: No more than 10 losses
Corbes: 4-7 4.93 ERA in 20 starts
Senator: Won't make it to the All-Star Game eliminated
KevinNU7: Long reliever by August eliminated
sterlingice: 6-13 5.17 ERA
Tasan: 10-10, 4.58 ERA
Vince: 16-8, 3.53 ERA
PilotMan: 11-13, 4.49 ERA
oykib: 12-10, 28 GS, 4.26 ERA, 181 IP, 129 Ks.
Logan: California Penal League
MrBug708: 11-13, 5.13 ERA
Racer: 12-11, 4.38 ERA
GridIron: 15-9, 3.71 ERA
Shorty3281: 9-9, 4.14 ERA
JeeberD: 8-14, 5.28 ERA
Fonzie: 9-12, 4.81 ERA
sachmo71: some crazy man wearing a TCU t-shirt wacks Chan Ho with an flying axe
SplitPersonality1: 3-14, 6.21 ERA
Primelord: 7-13, 5.11 ERA

MrBug is now closest in ERA, SplitPersonality is right on for wins, and Corbes is closest in losses.

[Ksyrup]

At least give the guy credit. He didn't lose it because Cordero blew the win.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Well considering they have paid him about $3 million per quality start this season, he is getting all the credit he is going to get from me.

[Ksyrup]

I'm just screwing with you. The guy is a monumental disaster. But, he's doing his small part in keeping the team in contention right now, so there's at least more return on the investment then if he was still in AAA.

Kinda like a stock that used to be $10 a share, up to $.03 from $.02. But hey, it's a gain!

[HornedFrog Purple]

To be honest, I would love to see Park succeed as a Rangers fan. But Scott Boras hoodwinked Hicks and Hart. Park had back problems with the Dodgers though they didn't classify it as chronic at the time.

And Park hasn't done anything to endear himself to a Rangers fan. Rusty Greer has been on the shelf for I forget how long but the guy makes appearances and doesn't make excuses.

Management here finally ran out of excuses. First it was his delivery, then his hamstrings, then whatever else. Just admit you blew it Hicks.

[Crapshoot]

To be honest, I would love to see Park succeed as a Rangers fan. But Scott Boras hoodwinked Hicks and Hart. Park had back problems with the Dodgers though they didn't classify it as chronic at the time.

And Park hasn't done anything to endear himself to a Rangers fan. Rusty Greer has been on the shelf for I forget how long but the guy makes appearances and doesn't make excuses.

Management here finally ran out of excuses. First it was his delivery, then his hamstrings, then whatever else. Just admit you blew it Hicks.

No- they didnt hoodwink anyone- Park passed a full medical, and its the teams responsibility to check the medical history and make sure. Boras, despite what people may wish, is not a bad guy- he's just trying to get his client as much as possible.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Point taken, but no he is trying to get himself as much as possible.

[Crapshoot]

Point taken, but no he is trying to get himself as much as possible.

undoubtedly- that's business.

[SackAttack]

4 2/3 IP, 4 ER on 6 H and 4 BB. Park is now 3-7 with a 5.89 ERA. It was his 14th start of the year. With 5 games left, and *maybe* one start left for Park, I think Corbes has gotta be declared the winner. He predicted 4-7 with a 4.93 ERA in 20 starts.

[Senator]

this is a travesty

[HornedFrog Purple]

F Chan Ho

[Ksyrup]

From SI's Truth & Rumors section:


Talks between the Mets and Cubs will turn serious only if Minaya is convinced Sosa still can be a force in the middle of the lineup and not be a major disruption in the clubhouse. Cubs GM Jim Hendry did find one club that was interested in Sosa. The Rangers offered pitcher Chan Ho Park for him, and Hendry politely declined.
-- Chicago Tribune

[rkmsuf]

Does that mean Sosa has jumped the shark?

[Radii]

I think the cubs "politely declining" means that they haven't jumped the shark just quite yet.

[HornedFrog Purple]

My god, did the genius John Hart actually think that was a legitimate offer? How in the world did he make that offer with a straight face?

Forget everything I said about John Hart in the past. I thought he was borderline retarded, now I am not so sure he is borderline.

Oh F Chan Ho

[Ksyrup]

I agree.

It would be one thing if Park's contract ended in 2005, and the Rangers were taking Sosa's 2006 off of the Cubs' hands. There's at least some value there beyond what value (read: none) Park would provide. But Park is signed through 2006 at about $13M per year. So the Cubs would be saving about $5M per season, and getting Park in exchange for Sosa? Something doesn't seem right, but I only report what I read.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Actually the Rangers should just give Park to the Cubs and pay his contract just so I can count how many moonshots from the ace leave Wrigley. It would be more entertaining than predicting his Loss-Loss record.

[Ksyrup]

They could stick Park in between Prior and Wood in the rotation to throw the other team's hitters "off balance." He might have a chance to succeed!

[Radii]

Actually the Rangers should just give Park to the Cubs and pay his contract just so I can count how many moonshots from the ace leave Wrigley. It would be more entertaining than predicting his Loss-Loss record.

As a Cubs fan, let me be the first to say "no thank you" :)

[HornedFrog Purple]

If chance to succeed = going one inning giving up less than 6 runs then I agree with you.

[Ksyrup]

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</TD></TR><TR width="100%"><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>The Rangers wouldn't pay enough of Chan Ho Park's salary to make a deal involving Denny Neagle and Charles Johnson work, the Denver Post reports.
Texas also reportedly was turned down on a Park-for-Sammy Sosa proposal. Park is owed $29 million over the next two seasons. Nov. 11 - 1:22 pm et


More rumors. Denny Neagle? His contract is going to outlive his career by several years, it appears.
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[DeToxRox]

ha. chan ho park in coors field. that could be a blast to watch on a weekly basis.

[Chief Rum]

ha. chan ho park in coors field. that could be a blast to watch on a weekly basis.

My guess is you would see more than a blast a week actually.

CR

[corbes]

4 2/3 IP, 4 ER on 6 H and 4 BB. Park is now 3-7 with a 5.89 ERA. It was his 14th start of the year. With 5 games left, and *maybe* one start left for Park, I think Corbes has gotta be declared the winner. He predicted 4-7 with a 4.93 ERA in 20 starts.
*places trophy on mantle next to video game character draft trophy*

[Ksyrup]

Might this end the annual thread?



Chan Ho Park, a monumental free-agent bust who is down to his last chance in Texas. The Rangers are tiring rapidly of Park, who was 4-7, 5.46 last year and is 14-18 in three years since the Rangers gave him a five-year, $65 million deal. They are said, in fact, to be willing to pay off the remaining $20 million-plus on his contract if he continues to struggle.
-- Seattle Times

[sachmo71]

Might this end the annual thread?



Chan Ho Park, a monumental free-agent bust who is down to his last chance in Texas. The Rangers are tiring rapidly of Park, who was 4-7, 5.46 last year and is 14-18 in three years since the Rangers gave him a five-year, $65 million deal. They are said, in fact, to be willing to pay off the remaining $20 million-plus on his contract if he continues to struggle.
-- Seattle Times
Late relief.

[Senator]

*places trophy on mantle next to video game character draft trophy*

I should have won. The man went down like a wilting flower and only played sparingly at the end of the season to have a chance to play in this one. Horrible

[Ksyrup]

Mark your calendars:


Although he's been penciled in as the Rangers' third starter all winter, Chan Ho Park likely will start the fourth game of the season.

That will allow him to pitch against the Mariners in Seattle, where he worked seven shutout innings on the final day of last season. Park isn't a good bet to have any fantasy value this season. Maybe he'll bounce back somewhat, but a league-average starter is the best that the Rangers can hope for. Feb. 17 - 5:10 am et

[sterlingice]

Chan Ho started for the Rangers today and he's doing a bang up job (not that Jose Lima did anything to write home about).

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td class="yspsctnhdln">Kansas City (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/kan) 7, Texas (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/tex) 7 </td> </tr> <tr> <td height="7">
</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Preview - Box Score - Recap

</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="yspsctbg"><td class="ysptblhdr" height="18"> Line Score</td></tr> <tr><td>


CAC
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
- - - - - - - - - - - -
KANSAS CITY 2 1 4 7
TEXAS 4 3 7 (IN TOP 3)


HOME RUNS: KAN - RUBEN GOTAY (1) OFF CHAN HO PARK IN THE 2ND
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[cartman]

It's about time to start the 4th annual Chan Ho Park blows thread.

[hhiipp]

Chan Ho would make a good little league batting practice pitcher, make all the little kids proud of themselves when they take him out of park.

[Ksyrup]

I'm nothing if not on-the-ball...



Chan Ho Park allowed three runs in three innings, but actually had an encouraging outing against the Cubs today.

Park gave up four hits -- all first-inning singles -- walked none and struck out three. One of the hits was a grounder that conceivably could have been a double-play ball, and another was a bloop to left that fell for a two-run single. He retired the final seven batters he faced. Mar. 9 - 8:59 pm et

[Ksyrup]

Chan Ho Park worked four scoreless innings today against the Angels. He gave up one hit and struck out two.

That'll help. Park, who entered the game with a 10.80 ERA in five innings, is in some danger of losing his rotation spot to Ricardo Rodriguez. ''I was being aggressive with my fastball,'' he said. ''Obviously, good command means a lot.'' Mar. 14 - 8:52 pm et

[Ksyrup]

According to Peter Gammons...


The Rangers have been given clearance by ownership to eat Chan Ho Park (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5187)'s contract, if they decide he can't help them this season. That's $14.72 million for 2005 and $15.99 million for 2006.



Ouch!

Might this mean no 4th Annual Thread?

[cartman]

Ouch!

Might this mean no 4th Annual Thread?

Not if I have anything to say about it!!!

:D