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Samdari
04-13-2004, 01:31 PM
I know, there are tons of mock drafts out there. This one is right. Guaranteed. Or your money back.

Normally I am not one to predict too many trades, but the rumors have seduced me this year. Some of them make too much sense to ignore. The trades I am predicting involving draft picks are:

Giants swap picks with San Diego. San Diego takes less than value to avoid the pressure and cost of taking a QB #1 overall. Current wisdom has the bolts asking too much, but as the draft comes closer, their paralyzing fear of standing up and saying, "here is our guy" will have them begging people to take the pick.

The other prediction I cannot help but make is the Raiders and Browns swapping first rounders. The player each supposedly wants makes more sense in the others slot, so they swap.

1 NY Giants (from SD) Eli Manning, QB, Mississippi.

2 Cleveland, Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa. Too hot to drop below this spot. Not likely to be Oakland, but Gallery is too valuable to let him simply drop.

3 Arizona, Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh. Unbelievably, they get the best player at #3.

4 San Diego, Ben Roethlesberger, QB, Miami (OH). The swap may not happen. Either way, I think it will the players at 1-4 will be this order. Unless the Giants trade up to 2, making this Roy Williams.

5 Washington, Sean Taylor, S, Miami. I don’t think it will be the Skins, but I think he’ll go here.

6 Detroit, Steven Jackson, RB, Oregon St. This has become a one RB draft. That will raise his stock beyond where his talent alone merits. Teams are already manuevering to get him (Denver). Probably not Detroit, but someone takes Jackson here.

7 Oakland, Roy Williams, WR, Texas. They traded down just to take him here.

8 Atlanta, Kenichi Udeze, DL, USC. They thought they’d get Roy, but they get the best player on the board, at a position of need to boot.

9 Jacksonville, Kellen Winslow, Jr., TE, Miami. Most mocks have them taking Roy or Udeze, but they’ll happily take the guy who drops here. Also could be where teams start looking to trade up for Rivers.

10 Houston, DeAngelo Hall, CB, Virginia Tech. Another candidate for someone trying to trade ahead of Pittsburgh to get Rivers.

11 Pittsburgh, Phillip Rivers, QB NC State. There are those who quietly think Rivers will be the best QB in this class. If Rivers is on the board, and Jackson gone, this is a slam dunk.

12 NY Jets, Mike Williams, WR, USC. They have other needs, but Mike Williams is too good to pass up. They need a big physical WR. They need CB and LB, but none are worthy of this spot. Will someone trade up for Williams?

13 Bills, Will Smith, DE, Ohio St. The Bills now hate their options, they wanted Rivers or Mike Williams. Much like Atlanta, the player they were forced to take ends up being better than the players they wanted.

14 Chicago, Tommie Harris, DT, Oklahoma. A month ago, they thought they’d have to trade into the top 5 for him. Unbelievable steal.

15 Tampa Bay, Reggie Williams, WR Washington. They found out last year they have no true #1 WR. Tough for them to pass on Wilfork though.

16 San Francisco, Vince Wilfork, DT, Miami. They need WR as well, but the top 4 have pushed Wilfork this low, and they have a better chance of getting a good WR in round 2 than a DT. Dallas could try to trade here for Jones. The Patriots WILL trade here if Jackson slips this far.

17 Denver, Kevin Jones, RB, Virginia Tech. They moved here to get ahead of NE and Dallas for Jackson. Finding him long gone, they have to take Jones.

While waiting for this pick, Tags announces that Corey Dillon has been traded to the Cowboys for their third round pick.

18 New Orleans, Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina. It will be a CB. If Robinson goes before this (due to the Jets taking a CB) it will be Gamble.

19 Minnesota. DJ Williams, LB, Miami. They need DE more, but any here would be somewhat of a reach. For reasons I do not understand, the NFL likes this guy more than Vilma.

20 Miami. Shawn Andrews, OT, Arkansas. Under the misguided impression that they solved either their QB or WR problems, the go for another need, OL. They strike out here too, getting a good player, but essentially a second round talent in the first round.

21. New England. Chris Gamble, CB, Ohio State. A tough call here, as I think it somewhat unlikely that the Pats are using their two late picks. They need to have a “no Ty Law” plan, and Gamble is a start. If its Tampa (which I think is likely) it will be a WR - Evans, Clayton or Woods.

22. Cowboys. Randy Starks, DT, Maryland. They’d love for Jones to be here. They are desperate for a RB, but Perry is just not that much better than who will be available in the second, so not worth this pick, plus they picked up Dillon. DL is a need area, and Starks is not far behind the top two. Could also take Gamble if he slips this far.

23. Seahawks. Jon Vilma, LB, Miami. They want Starks, and could work a deal with Miami to go get him. They may not need to, but if both RBs do go ahead of Miami, they’ll get nervous.

24. Bengals. Antwan Odom, DE, Alabama. They’ll look at TE Ben Troupe here, but in the end, they need defense more.

25. Green Bay. Will Poole, CB, USC. Many have Matt Ware here, due to his athleticism and flexibility. They need someone who can cover people while Favre is still playing, and Poole is better equipped to do that. Could also surprise with Losman.

26. Rams. Jason Babin DE, Western Michigan. Martz will want Troupe, but they have to line somebody up on the defensive line. Babin could end up being the best DE in this class.

27. Titans. Darnell Dockett, DT, FSU. They hoped Babin would fall, and know that Troupe is the best player on the board, but this has to be a DL. They need both tackle and end, so take the best available at either position.

28. Eagles. Matt Ware, CB, UCLA. Need to replace two starters, and the replacements they drafted two years ago did not look able to handle the job last year. Ware rises above other available CBs due to size.

29 Colts. Donnell Washington, DT, Clemson. They are surprised as anyone at the late run on DL. They wanted Dockett (and can get him if the Titans go for Donnell). Could go for S Sean Jones, but there will obviously be no impact DT left in round 2. Could also go for LBs Dansby or Daryl Smith (its time to give up on Morris).

30. Chiefs. Karlos Dansby, LB, Auburn. Like everyone else, they need DL. DT would be ideal, but taking one here would be a reach. This pick could be Marquise Hill of LSU, who would shore up their run D. In the end, they cannot pass on Dansby’s athleticism.

31. Carolina Panthers. Ben Troupe, TE, Florida. They are stunned he is available. Many have a WR here, but with WRs slipping, and the incredible physical ability of Troupe, they decide he can be as much a weapon as a #2 WR.

32. New England. Ben Watson, TE Georgia. I think this will actually be either Detroit or Tampa. Either way, its Watson, as they are both looking for a stretch the field TE, and Watson has freakish size/speed.

GoldenEagle
04-13-2004, 01:32 PM
I think Arizona should take Angie Stallings.

(cricketts chirping)

Chubby
04-13-2004, 01:32 PM
As long as Buffalo gets someone useful I'm happy.

GoldenEagle
04-13-2004, 01:34 PM
I would be very happy with Miami getting Andrews. However, I thought they didnt have a first round pick this year.

Doug5984
04-13-2004, 01:35 PM
18 New Orleans, Dunta Robinson, CB, South Carolina. It will be a CB. If Robinson goes before this (due to the Jets taking a CB) it will be Gamble.
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I am starting to think New Orleans will go with Dunta also- he would also fit in with Haslett only drafting SEC players in the first.

Subby
04-13-2004, 01:36 PM
The current rumor has WAS sending LT Samuels and 1(5) to OAK for 1(2) and OAK 2. The 'Skins would then select LT Gallery.

Samdari
04-13-2004, 01:38 PM
I would be very happy with Miami getting Andrews. However, I thought they didnt have a first round pick this year.

They lost their 2002 (when they traded him) and 2003 (based on 2002 stats) for Ricky Williams. Why would they lose this one?

Bosco
04-13-2004, 01:46 PM
If the Giants trade up and take Manning I quit being a fan. All we need is Gallery and we're back in contention.

scooper
04-13-2004, 01:50 PM
The current rumor has WAS sending LT Samuels and 1(5) to OAK for 1(2) and OAK 2. The 'Skins would then select LT Gallery.
I've heard this rumor. I'm guessing if it's true, it won't officially happen until the Raiders are on the clock at #2. Otherwise, there's no guarantee that the Chargers don't go ahead and fill a major hole at #1 with Gallery. Or that someone else will trade up into their spot for him.

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 01:55 PM
The Jets will NOT go offense in the first round. They have no 2nd round pick (used on big WR - Justin McCareins). They have like 4 linebackers under contract, and really need secondary help.

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 01:57 PM
If the Giants trade up and take Manning I quit being a fan. All we need is Gallery and we're back in contention.
yeah, back in contention for the #1 overall pick! (*rimshot*)

SunDancer
04-13-2004, 01:59 PM
For some reason, I don't see the Giants buying in to trade up. Seems like a smokescreen.

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 02:01 PM
For some reason, I don't see the Giants buying in to trade up. Seems like a smokescreen.
I dunno. It's generally unlike the Giants to trade up, but I think they really mean this stuff about Manning. My guess is they aren't too crazy about Roethlisberger and Coughlin must not like what he sees in Collins.

Either that or they want Gallery, and just don't think he'll make it to #4.

Samdari
04-13-2004, 02:02 PM
I've heard this rumor. I'm guessing if it's true, it won't officially happen until the Raiders are on the clock at #2. Otherwise, there's no guarantee that the Chargers don't go ahead and fill a major hole at #1 with Gallery. Or that someone else will trade up into their spot for him.

I think the Raiders are doing what Chicago did last year with the #4. There were so many teams trying to trade up for Robertson, they pressured the Jets into making the deal before the draft - do it now or we give it to someone else.

In any case, I don't see this happening - at least not with Oakland's 2 involved. I heard the rumor as the 1-5 and Samuels for the 1-2. The addition of Oakland's other pick makes this unabalanced WAY in the Redskins favor.

cthomer - I agree the Jets need defense more at this point, but Williams will be SO much better at that spot than any defensive player (except perhaps a lineman, and I know how you'd feel about the Jets taking a DL there). Any of the CB or LB available there are guys who will be mediocre pros at best. Why pass up a potential superstar for mediocrity - even if you need the position. There is simply noone who is going to be available at 12 who will be a difference maker on defense.

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 02:05 PM
cthomer - I agree the Jets need defense more at this point, but Williams will be SO much better at that spot than any defensive player (except perhaps a lineman). Any of the CB or LB available there are guys who will be mediocre pros at best. Why pass up a potential superstar for mediocrity - even if you need the position. There is simply noone who is going to be available at 12 who will be a difference maker on defense.
I am very close to agreeing, but Edwards and Bradway both realize their asses are on the line this year. I think they're far more likely to go for immediate impact (LB, CB, or Safety if Taylor falls by some miracle).

I just think Williams makes for a crowded corps of WR with Sanatana Moss, Justin McCareins, and Williams. Maybe if they have no plan to resign Moss i can understand it...

This coach/management group absolutely has to go. If it takes a bad draft and season for that to happen - I'm all for it!

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 02:06 PM
nice work by the way Samdari.. I love this sort of stuff. I can speculate on the draft for hours on end without getting bored of it. :)

Samdari
04-13-2004, 02:12 PM
nice work by the way Samdari.. I love this sort of stuff. I can speculate on the draft for hours on end without getting bored of it. :)

Me too. That's why I did this. It killed a couple hours at work, plus I thought a new draft thread (especially one filled with unconventional-to-ridiculous predictions) might spark more discussion than resurrecting the old one.

As for the Williams at 12 thing, I think the Jets should take a defensive player. Unfortunately, I see noone there who excites me as a fan, so I made up the Williams thing. All of the rumblings out of there actually have that pick definitely being a CB.

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 02:15 PM
As for the Williams at 12 thing, I think the Jets should take a defensive player. Unfortunately, I see noone there who excites me as a fan, so I made up the Williams thing. All of the rumblings out of there actually have that pick definitely being a CB.I'm pretty set on wanting DeAngelo Hall... I guess you don't feel the same? I don't like Gamble for whatever reason (I think he's generally overrated, and seems incredibly awkward when actually playing). I'd also be content with a "safe" linebacker pick (either of the big 2 Miami linebackers).

If they go D-Line in the first round, it'll be hard to keep me from driving to Jets headquarters with a semi-automatic rifle.

edit: Well, i kind of overlooked the fact that you have him going at 10. I think it would be a good pick for Houston... i think they almost have to be going D-line or CB.

albionmoonlight
04-13-2004, 02:16 PM
Good mock, Samdari.

One question. Do you really think that S.D. would pass up a Manning and then draft a "more athletic QB with more upside" high in the first round? That seems to raise ghosts from the past much more than just drafting Manning would. (Assuming, as I do, that they are still haunted by their past.)

Samdari
04-13-2004, 02:27 PM
I'm pretty set on wanting DeAngelo Hall... I guess you don't feel the same? I don't like Gamble for whatever reason (I think he's generally overrated, and seems incredibly awkward when actually playing). I'd also be content with a "safe" linebacker pick (either of the big 2 Miami linebackers).

If they go D-Line in the first round, it'll be hard to keep me from driving to Jets headquarters with a semi-automatic rifle.

edit: Well, i kind of overlooked the fact that you have him going at 10. I think it would be a good pick for Houston... i think they almost have to be going D-line or CB.

Yeah, I'd love Hall. He is the only top-notch CB in the draft, IMO. But, I am a know nothing fan, and I have no idea who Dunta Robinson is. I really don't want Gamble, but see a lot of mocks with him going there. I also love Vilma, despite lacking some 'ideal measureables' he's a football player, yet most experts seem to feel 12 is too high for him. Taylor at 12 simply won't happen.

I guess my ideal scenario would have Tommie Harris (or Mike Williams) going somewhere in the top 10, pushing Hall through Pittsburgh to the Jets.

If that D-Line thing happens, go for it. I'll say you were with me all day.

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 02:28 PM
If that D-Line thing happens, go for it. I'll say you were with me all day.
Excellent.

scooper
04-13-2004, 02:33 PM
Good mock, Samdari.

One question. Do you really think that S.D. would pass up a Manning and then draft a "more athletic QB with more upside" high in the first round? That seems to raise ghosts from the past much more than just drafting Manning would. (Assuming, as I do, that they are still haunted by their past.)
I've heard a lot of people compare Roethlesberger to the Leaf situations and the reasons are fair: 1. the Chargers are involved, 2. he has tremendous physical upside, 3. the alternative QB is a Manning.

Now, these comparisons may be fair, but overall, the situation is completely different. Folks are taking the easy way out of they liken Ben R to Leaf because of the above three facts.

Actually, Ben has much better intangebles than Leaf. He is smart, a hard worker, a likeable guy, dedicated to his teammates and is a leader on the field. Leaf lacked these qualities and I think the comparison between the two is unfair.

Manning could very well turn out to be the better QB, but I think Roethlesberger is no Leaf.

Samdari
04-13-2004, 02:33 PM
Good mock, Samdari.

One question. Do you really think that S.D. would pass up a Manning and then draft a "more athletic QB with more upside" high in the first round? That seems to raise ghosts from the past much more than just drafting Manning would. (Assuming, as I do, that they are still haunted by their past.)

I agree that Leaf's ghost appears to still haunt that franchise, I just am not sure how that fear will manifest itself. Will they back off taking Manning due to not wanting the pressure of taking a QB that high and paying him that much? Or, will it make them sure to take Manning, not wanting to miss out on another one? I say the first, since that is essentially what they did two years ago passing on Vick.

Another thing. There seems to be this common perception that San Diego cannot afford to "pass on a Manning again." Didn't Peyton go first to Indianapolis, then San Diego was left with the leftover in Leaf?

Noble_Platypus
04-13-2004, 02:49 PM
Thats correct Samdari. SD never had a shot at Peyton, luckily for us Colt fans.

Desnudo
04-13-2004, 02:59 PM
I don't think the Patriots will take either a CB or a TE, although it sounds like you're projecting someone else picking in those spots. CB is definitely not a big need right now even if Ty Law goes. Eugene Wilson is his replacement, so the real need is safety. Asante Samuel also had a solid rookie season. TE they have Daniel Graham who, despite the dropsies, is a very good young player. I would expect them to take linemen and more linemen, since that seems to be their historical 1st round strategy.

bhlloy
04-13-2004, 03:10 PM
One question... when did Shawn Andrews drop to a second round talent? Pre-season and early on he was rated up there with Gallery and I though the seperation between the two was due to Gallery being one of the best O-Lineman to come out in the last 10 years and having a stellar senior season, not due to Andrews' stock falling. I thought he was a solid mid first pick and IMO Miami would be getting very good value for him at 20

Thomkal
04-13-2004, 03:19 PM
"3 Arizona, Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh. Unbelievably, they get the best player at #3.
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I'll keep saying this until and after the draft ( :) ) but I just cannot believe the Cardinals would go after a WR after taking two in the first two rounds of the last draft. I don't care how he's related to Denny Green during his Minnesota days. This would just be so wrong...of course this is my beloved Cards, so they will take a WR with this pick no doubt.

Samdari
04-13-2004, 03:21 PM
One question... when did Shawn Andrews drop to a second round talent? Pre-season and early on he was rated up there with Gallery and I though the seperation between the two was due to Gallery being one of the best O-Lineman to come out in the last 10 years and having a stellar senior season, not due to Andrews' stock falling. I thought he was a solid mid first pick and IMO Miami would be getting very good value for him at 20

Well, when draft season started, I saw a lot of the OT hungry teams shown as thinking the two were a toss up. Since, Gallery has become perhaps the most pursued player in the draft and Andrews has been dropping like a rock (that is, if you believe the media reports both about where he was, and where he is).

There are a number of factors leading to me rating him a second round talent, mostly his wieght and attitude problems and reports that his footspeed is far too low to play LT in the NFL.

[toungue-in-cheek]I guess the most important factor leading me to consider him overrated is the number of mock drafts having the Dolphins taking him. Considering how they overrated everyone else they acquired this offseason, their #1 pick is bound to be a bust, no?[/toungue-in-cheek]

Samdari
04-13-2004, 03:22 PM
"3 Arizona, Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Pittsburgh. Unbelievably, they get the best player at #3.
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I'll keep saying this until and after the draft ( :) ) but I just cannot believe the Cardinals would go after a WR after taking two in the first two rounds of the last draft. I don't care how he's related to Denny Green during his Minnesota days. This would just be so wrong...of course this is my beloved Cards, so they will take a WR with this pick no doubt.

DOLA

cthomer and I will trade you Bryan Thomas for any of those 3 WR.

rkmsuf
04-13-2004, 03:23 PM
Otis Smith back in the hizouse with the Pats...

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 03:25 PM
DOLA

cthomer and I will trade you Bryan Thomas for any of those 3 WR.
God yes. I'll even send him to Detroit for Otis Smith at this point. :)

JeeberD
04-13-2004, 03:29 PM
Anyone know if Jim is going to do the draft contest again this year?

-JeeberD
Top Ten Finisher in last years contest :)

cthomer5000
04-13-2004, 03:33 PM
Anyone know if Jim is going to do the draft contest again this year?

-JeeberD
Top Ten Finisher in last years contest :)
I hope so, I enjoy feeling like a moron on draft day. :redface:

Samdari
04-13-2004, 03:40 PM
Ooh, I forgot about the contest. Perhaps I should not have revealed the actual order in which players will be drafted.

Samdari
04-15-2004, 01:32 PM
DOLA

OK, cthomer, a new Jet scenario for you, from ESPN Insider's Scouts Inc mock:

The Jets, who have traded up in the first round of two of their last three drafts under G.M. Terry Bradway, are seriously contemplating trading down. They would like to recoup the second round pick that they gave away for WR Justin McCareins and they could have a strong suitor in the Patriots if RB Steven Jackson were still available.

While I have Jackson going 6th in my 100% accurate mock, I would love to see him last this far (although I think the Steelers would very likely take/trade him) which would likely result in teams bidding on the Jets pick. I would love to see them make a deal with the Pats, the Jets getting the 21 and 32, and giving up the 12 and a 4th (works close in the draft value chart). I think there are better CB/LB/WR values there (and I'd like to see them get Rashaun Woods even more than WIlliams) than at 12.

MrBug708
04-15-2004, 01:51 PM
Wasn't it this board that said Steven Jackson wasn't a Top 15 pick?

Yes, Yes it was. Kevin Jones LMAO

albionmoonlight
04-15-2004, 02:07 PM
Anyone have a sense that spots at the top of the second round may be very sought after in this draft? We apparently have once in a lifetime depth at the WR spot--so much depth that I think that WR needy teams can get by waiting until the 2nd. Once the second round rolls around, however, I think that you may see some teams getting an itchy trigger finger wanting to make sure that they get one of the top 7-8 WRs. If you are in the top of the second, you will probably get pretty good value for your pick from a WR needy team because they will have the chance to get a first round talent in that spot.

Does that make sense to you, or do you think that this draft is no different from any others in terms of the talent that may drop to the early second round.