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Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 03:44 PM

First off, it is immediately obvious to me that this is a *very* big, infinitely customizable game, and therefore trying to pull off a comprehensive preview is a very big task to undertake, especially considering that Markus has publicly said something to the effect that the game "will not be out before Friday." With that information, I have to operate on the assumption that I need to finish the preview by tomorrow night at the very latest. In case I don't get to some things before the release, I thought it best to do this in chunks. When all the chunks are posted, I'll combine them all into this first post.

First off, there are MANY, MANY setup options. Therefore, in the amount of time I'm working with, it is going to be impossible for me to even attempt to change around all the different settings and test things out that way. However, by letting you know what settings I'm using, you can get a feel for what the options are. For now, all discussion in this thread will be based on the followed starting setttings:

FINANCIAL SETTINGS

Financial System: Enabled

Salary Cap: None

Cash Max: $10M

National TV Contract Minimum: $5M

Only use National TV Minimum?: No, adjust to market

Minimum Player Salary: $300,000

Computer Trade: Enabled

Trading Frequency: Normal (5 options)

Trading Difficultly: Normal (5 options)

Trading AI Preference: Neutral (5 options)

Standard Roster Limit: 25 players

40-Man Roster Rule: Enabled

Waiver Rule: Enabled

Waiver Period: 3 Days

Minor League Option Years: Enabled

Rule 5 Draft: Enabled

Arbitration: Enabled

Minimum Days for 1 Service Year: 172

Minor League FA's: Enabled

ENGINE SET UP

Internal Game Engine: New OOTP6 engine

League Totals: (All Default--Modern Baseball Era)

Player Evaluation AI Setup: Ratings: 40%, 2004: 35%, 2003: 17%, 2002: 8% (default)

Player Creation Modifiers (all 0%): All batter and pitcher ratings can be modified from -100% to +200%

Player Development Modifiers: all 0%--options are there to change hitter or pitcher player development and/or aging speed from -100% to +200%

BASIC SET UP

League Mode: Career

Coach/Scout System: Disabled

Simulate Minors: Enabled

All Ratings Options set 1-100. They can be none, 1 to 5, 2 to 8, 1 to 10, 1 to 20, and 1 to 100.

Normal 2004 MLB-Style League/Division Structure

Fictional Players

162 Games

Blank Record Book

I may or may not answer questions as we go along. I don't want to get too bogged down in minute details, but feel free to post them. I'll be checking in and reading responses in this thread the rest of this afternoon/evening.

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 03:45 PM

Dola--

Know that it will probably be a couple of hours or so before I post anything else. I don't want to merely give you first impressions, but good analysis.

GoSeahawks

04-14-2004, 04:37 PM

I'm glad you like to simulate multiple seasons quickly. I think what I'm most interested in is what type of stats the new engine produces. Anyway, good read so far.

mtaystl03

04-14-2004, 04:39 PM

Oh, yes! Lets go OOTP6!

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 05:18 PM

Just tooling around a bit, I have a feeling that the best way to go about this is going to be a diary/dynasty style of posting. (Hey, I'm making this up as I go along, ok?) So, here goes....

THE BEGINNING

I start off with a 60-round serpentine auto-draft, and select the auto-fill minors option as well. The first noticeable change is that after the draft is over, I am asked if I'd like to adjust all teams financials based on payrolls, and the game tells me that this is recommended. This is definitely a nice feature if it works properly! I select Atlanta as my team, and immediately go to the "Front Office" screen to see what's up with the adjusted financials. My initial payroll is $55.74M, which is 29th out of 30 teams. My market is listed as "slightly above average" with "good" fan loyalty. Ticket prices are at $10. Broadcast revenue is at $39M (22 local, 17 national). I go to the League News section to see everyone's financials, and here are a few snapshots:

Everyone has 65 fan interest.

Broadcast revenues range from low of $39M to high of $47M, and it appears to be based on the initial payrolls.

For comparison, Milwaukee has the third-highest payroll ($73.1M). Their team market is "big" and loyalty is "good."

Based on the facts above, it appears that after an auto-draft, the game gives you an option to adjust the size of your team market, and therefore your local TV deal, based on your initial payroll. This sounds like a nice little added challenge for we those who play in fictional leagues: just select the team that has the lowest payroll as your team, and you'll automatically have the smallest market. Nice!

SIZING UP THE ROSTER

When doing this, I must report that one of my pet peeve interface annoyances about OOTP remains at this point. When I go to look at my second basemen, I'd like to see *everyone* who is a candidate to play second base. If I select by position and view the batting ratings (the only way to evaluate several players at one time), the game only shows me guys who have 2B as their primary position. The other option is to go to "general ratings/info" and sort by 2nd base, which reveals to me that SS Alfonso Espinosa has 77 range at 2B than at SS, and might be a viable option there. However, I have to click on his player card to see the rest of his ratings. There is one saving grace here, though: the star rating is available on the "General Ratings/Info" screen. At least that can quickly give me a general idea of what kind of talent I have available at a given position. Here are my best current options at each position:

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</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; WIDTH: 21pt; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline-style: single" align=middle width=28>Eye

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</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>42

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>13

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>23

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>85

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>49

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>47

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>89

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle height=17>LF Clinton Weems

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>62

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>84

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>61

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>60

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>38

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>56

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>54

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle height=17>CF Richard Ebling

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>45

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>46

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>28

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>45

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>67

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>46

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>54

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle height=17>RF Dexter Foti

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>56

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>51

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>52

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>26

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>37

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>59

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=middle>59

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<TABLE style="WIDTH: 252pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=335 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 118pt" width=157><COL style="WIDTH: 36pt" width=48><COL style="WIDTH: 34pt" width=45><COL style="WIDTH: 39pt" width=52><COL style="WIDTH: 25pt" width=33></COLGROUP><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; WIDTH: 118pt; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline-style: single" width=157 height=17>NAME

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; WIDTH: 36pt; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline-style: single" width=48>STUFF

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; WIDTH: 34pt; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline-style: single" width=45>CNTRL

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; WIDTH: 39pt; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline-style: single" width=52>MVMN

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; WIDTH: 25pt; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline-style: single" width=33>END

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Terrance Takehide

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>46

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>42

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>75

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>92

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Carlos Carrasco

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>44

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>77

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>64

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>89

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>James Brady

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>45

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>81

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>64

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>88

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>James "Big Stud" Urrutia

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>51

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>91

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>76

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>81

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Bill Ponce

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>32

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>61

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>57

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>78

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Gregg Rogge

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>43

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>56

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>58

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>75

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Neille Hamrick

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>30

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>72

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>61

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>74

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Humberto Rodriguez

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>51

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>78

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>66

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>64

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Jeffry Kageyasu

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>39

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>65

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>62

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>63

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Denver Nixon

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>32

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>69

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>77

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>51

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Matt Yuhas

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>46

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>58

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>67

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>49

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>John Jones

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>49

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>74

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>73

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>32

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>Ernest Rivet

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>45

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>53

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>73

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>28

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>David Gibson

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>66

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>69

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>69

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-DECORATION: none" align=right x:num>28

</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: bottom; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; COLOR: windowtext; PADDING-TOP: 1px; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none" height=17>George Dillard

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The biggest and most welcomed change from previous versions is that pitchers have ONE endurance rating, rather than one as a starter and one as a closer. Makes very good sense to me. Other ratings that are not listed in the spread sheet above are as follows:

POSITION PLAYERS

running instincts

sacrifice bunt

gap power (not shown on "general info" on player card...this appears to be an odd choice to me, unless it doesn't play as big a part as the other three)

bunt for hit

Every player has three throwing-arm ratings: catcher, IF and OF.

hitter type (spray, normal, pull)

Interestingly enough, the "Gap Power" rating is not shown on the main (General Info) player card, only on the player ratings screen and the HTML report. This is an odd choice to me, unless it is because this rating doesn't play as big a part as Con/Hr/Eye.

PITCHERS

velocity (this i given as a range, as in "88-92 mph")

holding runners

groundball %

All of the service time oriented information is available in two places: on the HTML player card, and via one click from the General Info player card screen. The info given:

years of MLB service

MLB service days this year

years on 40-man roster

years of pro service

rule 5 draft eligibility

arbitration eligibility

minor league option years left

on waivers?

One thing that has been mentioned is that the "Talent" ratings are now numerical, and it may be an adjustment for some. At least for me, this is a VERY welcome change, and a very fast adjustment. It is much easier to look over the "Top 10 Prospects" type reports now.

I think this is a good stopping point for now. I'm going to quick-sim the first season, letting the AI handle everything.

rjolley

04-14-2004, 05:25 PM

I agree with the sorting of players by positions they can play, not just their primary. I hope Markus can add that in a patch. It would be a great if it was added for FAs too.

Chubby

04-14-2004, 05:29 PM

cool, looks good so far SkyDog

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 05:37 PM

I experience widely varying sim speeds with OOTP5 on the particular machine I am using right now, and I have no idea why, so take this figure with a grain of salt, but FYI, the first month took a little under 5 minutes to sim on a 2.6GHz machine. Starting sim season right as I hit "post reply" button.

Rizon

04-14-2004, 05:42 PM

Oh god ... I only have one hand on the keyboard ...

Franklinnoble

04-14-2004, 05:53 PM

Oh god ... I only have one hand on the keyboard ...
Did you check the sock for ants first?

Cecil Fielder

04-14-2004, 06:54 PM

nice reporting, SkyDog!

Ksyrup

04-14-2004, 07:13 PM

I agree with the sorting of players by positions they can play, not just their primary. I hope Markus can add that in a patch. It would be a great if it was added for FAs too.
More importantly, the AI should recognize that certain players can play more than one position, not just their "primary position," when deciding who should start. This is much more important to me than the sorting option.

JonInMiddleGA

04-14-2004, 07:19 PM

More importantly, the AI should recognize that certain players can play more than one position, not just their "primary position," when deciding who should start.
As well as, IMO, when they determine FA signings, trades, etc. & et al.

MizzouRah

04-14-2004, 07:25 PM

As well as, IMO, when they determine FA signings, trades, etc. & et al.
Both good points Ksyrup & Jon. I think this year has them look at stats as well as ratings this year, but I'm not sure on both of your statements. (probably not)

Todd

rexallllsc

04-14-2004, 07:28 PM

Is 1-100 mandatory, or optional?

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 07:34 PM

1-100 is optional - you can use 2-8, 1-10, 1-20, 1-100, or you can turn off the ratings completely.

JonInMiddleGA

04-14-2004, 07:35 PM

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 07:36 PM

Very, very good idea for this preview. Given the middle settings for trades, I'm anxious to see how they improved the already good trading interface. One fantasy for me (as in all sports sims) is whether the AI can be competitive to you without too many house rules (esp. in financials). Also, this might be hard to check but one of the annoyances is how the AI manages its roster, esp. in regards to in-season signing FAs/releasing said FAs/bonehead trades/later/rinse/repeat. Other than that, as long as I can construct leagues from any eras and import Lahman, I'm happy.

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 07:36 PM

Is 1-100 mandatory, or optional?...All Ratings Options set 1-100. They can be none, 1 to 5, 2 to 8, 1 to 10, 1 to 20, and 1 to 100.There ya go.

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 07:43 PM

I believe you said it was okay to post comments/questions along the way, so here's something that jumped out at me --

There's "Spd" = Speed
There's "Stl" = Steal
And on the player ratings screen there's "Baserunning instincts".

The roster you posted appears to have a couple of good candidates for some spot-checking.

2B Ken Moore - 52 Spd, 78 Stl
SS George Crosland - 85 Spd, 49 Stl

Logically, I believe a checking of the "baserunning instincts" for that duo should reveal: Good to above average instincts for 2B Moore & below average to bad instincts for SS Crosland.

I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.Here ya go:

Moore has instincts at 69. He stole 18 bases and was caught 3 times.

Crosland's instincts are 55. He spent the year at AAA, stealing 30 bases and being caught 11 times.

The AI made a better choice overall, I think, for the primary SS. It went with switch-hitter Cesar Marquez (41 con, 54 pow, 28 eye) against righties. He was .251-16-50 on the year, and youngster Sabas Gutierrez (41,51,25) started against lefties. He was .243-8-38.

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 08:00 PM

I wanted to share this "global" impression that I have right now...

At this point, it appears that the bulk of the changes from OOTP5 to OOTP6 are "under the hood" changes, which is a *very* good thing. The waiver/rule 5/40-man roster stuff adds a layer of complexity, but isn't that radical. Tomorrow morning after a good overnight sim I think we'll have a much better feel for how the new under the hood stuff is working so far.

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 08:15 PM

EDIT: Markus has found a fixed a bug that had an impact on stats being generated. I have therefore removed the HTML report from the server. He is getting another build to me, and I'll report back in on stats with that build later today or first thing tomorrow.

Swaggs

04-14-2004, 08:21 PM

Hmmm... still says OOTP5 on the html. :)

Ksyrup

04-14-2004, 08:22 PM

Hmmm... still says OOTP5 on the html. :)
Uh...it still says .400 Studios! :eek:

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 08:24 PM

LOL. Didn't notice either of those things...If Markus isn't reading, I'll make sure to pass it along to him in the morning.

Eaglesfan27

04-14-2004, 08:25 PM

That is really quite funny.

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 08:27 PM

I'll leave commentary on the year 1 stats up to y'all, while I focus on my first offseason.

Ksyrup

04-14-2004, 08:30 PM

Another small thing I'd like to see fixed (or changed) is when you start a new fictional league with a blank record book, the rookie records should actually be set by rookies. I'm not sure if there's a way for the computer to differentiate between rookies and vets playing their first games in this league, but I'm sick of having to go through and manually wipe out the rookie records after the first year, since the records are, by default, the league leaders from that first year. Especially since I've noticed that with certain leagues, the computer never fills in the rookie average leaders or HR leaders, for example, after I have wiped them out, and I have to manually search for the records to input them myself.

Just a small annoyance that I never remember to bring up over at the OOTP board.

sooner333

04-14-2004, 08:33 PM

It couldn't be hard now, since they actually do service years and days. Whereas before, it would just be the players age.

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 08:36 PM

chrisj

04-14-2004, 08:40 PM

The "mood" comments are new, and serve as a nice warning as to whether you need to really up the ante or go home.

Actually, I'm pretty sure those were added in the last version 5 patch... but still a nice feature. :)

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 08:44 PM

First free agent extension process is impressive. I received about three or four different messages from the same guy (and was able to make about 7 different offers...) after each offer explaining two things:

1. what I needed to do to improve (more money or more years)
2. his "mood"

The "mood" comments are new, and serve as a nice warning as to whether you need to really up the ante or go home.
I don't think so, unless I didn't do the last patch. In any case, this is a superb feature that makes one of my favorite parts more interesting.

I'm anxious to see if the FA stages have any enhancements.

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 08:49 PM

Yeah, some of the skins for some of the HTML output still includes references to OOTP5 and .400 - those are some of the last things that need to be changed before release. Boxscores were the same way up until a short time ago...

-Craig

Cap Ologist

04-14-2004, 09:04 PM

I've never played OOTP before and know very little about baseball, but I bought the game today. Anyway, my first question is on the html stats...

what does WHIP stand for in the pitcher stats? (on the team stats and info page)

thanks in advance.

(edited to clarify where I was looking)

kcchief19

04-14-2004, 09:04 PM

I know there's still some cleaning up to do, but here's hoping that Markus changes the "Eye/Discipline" column on the prospects page to just "Eye" so the formatting isn't all screwy.

The interest is piqued. Nice job as always, Ben. Keep it coming! :)

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 09:08 PM

Ok. I'm very tired. Done for the night. I just created a new 16-team league, and set it to sim 50 seasons. We'll see how many it does, and talk about long-term stats tomorrow.

chrisj

04-14-2004, 09:08 PM

what does WHIP stand for in the pitcher stats? (on the team stats and info page)

WHIP = (walks + hits) / IP

Ben E Lou

04-14-2004, 09:08 PM

what does WHIP stand for in the pitcher stats? (on the team stats and info page)(Walks + Hits)/(Innings Pitched)

MizzouRah

04-14-2004, 09:17 PM

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 09:30 PM

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 09:34 PM

Also, as indicated in the ootp thread, I don't think there are players being claimed off of waivers. In real life, are many players claimed this way? I love that we can place players on waivers, gives us another decision to make.

MizzouRah

04-14-2004, 09:35 PM

Ok, I'm seeing it again. Go to the League Transactions html. I am seeing AI teams trading for players and then releasing them a few days later. Also I am seeing way too many releasing/signing players to minor league contracts. Can this be looked at or tightened up please?
Go to bed Bucc. :)

I'm noticing some things like that as well, ugh! Although it's nice to see a CPU trade that has cash envolved. I wondered how in-depth that would be.

Todd

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 09:39 PM

That reminds me, can we NOW trade for draft picks?? I've been asking for this since v.4.

Mizzou, have to look at something and since GM stuff is my only interest, I pick up on things like this. I leave it to the geeks and grognards to look at the stats. :)

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 09:44 PM

I just got the new build today from Markus, and in the season I just simmed the AI was claiming players off of waivers.

FWIW, I know that this one of the last things tweaked, and it made need further tweaking.

I'll talk to Markus about trading players and then releasing them. Shouldn't be too hard to fix. Personally, I've been looking at stats more - to make sure they fixed some of the weaknesses in previous versions - but things like this should be addressed as well.

-Craig

kcchief19

04-14-2004, 09:44 PM

Agreed, Bucc. The number of players being release is a bit alarming. I realize they are mostly scrubs, but it's still excessive. I also don't like the sight of players being traded for and then getting released. Doesn't make a lot of sense. I know this things happened in v5, but they seem to be more excessive in this beta build.

I'm also not seeing a lot of rhyme or reason to waivers. I see a lot of players being sent down without clearing waivers, but I also see a lot of people clearing waivers and nothing happens. Of course, the html may not show the full story, so I won't get my knickers in a twist quite yet.

INDalltheway

04-14-2004, 09:45 PM

Small thing, but it appears CF are put as "C(" on the Top Prospects page.

spleen1015

04-14-2004, 09:51 PM

That reminds me, can we NOW trade for draft picks?? I've been asking for this since v.4.

No, but you can include money now.

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 09:53 PM

I'm also not seeing a lot of rhyme or reason to waivers. I see a lot of players being sent down without clearing waivers, but I also see a lot of people clearing waivers and nothing happens. Of course, the html may not show the full story, so I won't get my knickers in a twist quite yet.

You can send players to the minors without waivers if they haven't exhausted their option years. Are you seeing players demoted that are out of option years?

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 10:01 PM

Personally, I've been looking at stats more
Yeah, I know, that seems to be really important to a lot of people. :) To me, I thought the stats from v.4 were perfectly fine. I just look for a 8/8/7 pitcher usually going 17-9, 3.25. That's good enough for me because I don't care how he gets there. Spending too much time on tweaking (or re-doing) the engine take away from more important things like trading, free agenting and AI managing their rosters better. :D :D <-- is that enough?

Eaglesfan27

04-14-2004, 10:10 PM

That's awesome!
I'm in the same boat as far as soccer goes, maybe I should try CM 3/4?

Todd

Not to threadjack or anything, but based on my initial foray into this game tonight, I would strongly consider giving CM 3/4 a try :)

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 10:12 PM

Well, to each his own, I suppose. In past versions, I could never get past the guy who averages 11 Ks per 9 innings who somehow also gave up over a hit per inning. Realistic statistics were always high on my list. I don't mean to discount your priorities, however. If you feel there are issues (and I unfortunately can't track them all), I'd be happy to air them with Markus.

BTW, Ksyrup - I run into the same issue with rookie records that you do. Basically I just clear rookie records after the first year. However, realistically, this should be done by the game itself. I'll bring this up.

-Craig

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 10:12 PM

No, but you can include money now.
I like that, it's getting there.

Eaglesfan27

04-14-2004, 10:12 PM

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 10:14 PM

Ksyrup

04-14-2004, 10:19 PM

BTW, Ksyrup - I run into the same issue with rookie records that you do. Basically I just clear rookie records after the first year. However, realistically, this should be done by the game itself. I'll bring this up.

-Craig
That would be great. BTW, do you have the same problem I have, every now and then, that some records don't get filled after you clear them? I haven't seen a rhyme or reason to it, but it most often occurs with batting average. That makes it even worse - it's one thing to have to clear them out every time I start a new league, but it's another to have to manually search each year for rookies who might have gotten the best BA or most HRs, etc.

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 10:22 PM

Dang it, and I'm usually the one with the tongue firmly implanted in the cheek.

Oh well....

But seriously, if you have issues, I have no problem airing them. There are no guarantees that they will be rectified, but a lot of times things are an easy fix. I'd have to find out about the "trade and release soon thereafter issue", but I can think of a way to fix it right now...

-Craig

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 10:25 PM

That would be great. BTW, do you have the same problem I have, every now and then, that some records don't get filled after you clear them? I haven't seen a rhyme or reason to it, but it most often occurs with batting average. That makes it even worse - it's one thing to have to clear them out every time I start a new league, but it's another to have to manually search each year for rookies who might have gotten the best BA or most HRs, etc.

You know what? I just noticed that with one of my quick-sims the other day. I just thought it must have been me, and since that time I haven't taken the time to clear rookie records. I'll bring this one up as well.

-Craig

Huckleberry

04-14-2004, 10:41 PM

The biggest and most welcomed change from previous versions is that pitchers have ONE endurance rating, rather than one as a starter and one as a closer. Makes very good sense to me.

I find that to be a horrible change.

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 10:42 PM

I really hope Markus takes the time to listen and see if thse suggestions/fixes are doable. If the game doesn't come out till next month, I am perfectly happy with that (too busy playing FBCB anyways). Please don't let the whining, cry-babies and self-ego push him into releasing the game any sooner.

Buccaneer

04-14-2004, 10:43 PM

My god, I just noticed that there are 13 members and 25 guests viewing this thread. I guess I have to be careful what I say then.

KWhit

04-14-2004, 10:45 PM

Be good, Bucc.

GoldenEagle

04-14-2004, 10:58 PM

HornedFrog Purple

04-14-2004, 11:02 PM

Don't worry those who are in the light, Bucc has exhausted himself staying up way past his bedtime. He will be too exhausted to continue this futile campaign tomorrow. :cool:

Eaglesfan27

04-14-2004, 11:04 PM

Bucc - I do not think draft picks can be traded in MLB. So, the question should be is the game being modeled after MLB or is it just a baseball sim?

Did anyone else notice the alarming numbers of home runs hit? It seems every team has 3 or more 30+ home run hitters.

The phillies didn't :(

Looking at the league leaders for homers, the distribution seemed like there were a few too many home run hitters, but it is just one season's stats. I'll really be interested in seeing the results of the 50 year sim tomorrow.

General Mike

04-14-2004, 11:09 PM

MizzouRah

04-14-2004, 11:09 PM

Not to threadjack or anything, but based on my initial foray into this game tonight, I would strongly consider giving CM 3/4 a try :)

I might wait for 2005, especially since EHM:FE is coming out sometime in the future. Although I'm interested in what you and Senator have to say about the game.

Todd

kq76

04-14-2004, 11:09 PM

Did anyone else notice the alarming numbers of home runs hit? It seems every team has 3 or more 30+ home run hitters.
You can customize this by the league totals and the player creation modifiers:

http://www.mirror1.ootpdevelopments.com/ootp6screens/screen4.jpg

kcchief19

04-14-2004, 11:14 PM

You can send players to the minors without waivers if they haven't exhausted their option years. Are you seeing players demoted that are out of option years?No, I don't see any players being demoted who are out of options. But what I am seeing in Ben's file are a lot of players who I believe should be out of options -- in MLB, I don't believe players with more than 5 or 6 years experience have option years, but I may be mistaken. I know they can refuse assignment.

However, I'm wondering if this isn't a by-product of starting with a fictional universe. That may explain why players with 8-10 years experience have option years. It may also explain why there is such massive player movement in Ben's first year.

Question regarding options -- in OOTP, I'm assuming you have three option years. Are those calculated as true option years or is an option exercised each time a player is demoted/promoted? I'm seeing some players with one option year remaining who were demoted to the minors twice during the season -- just wondiering if that is a coincidence or not.

GoldenEagle

04-14-2004, 11:16 PM

You can customize this by the league totals and the player creation modifiers:

http://www.mirror1.ootpdevelopments.com/ootp6screens/screen4.jpg
I am too lazy to do that. :D

CraigSca

04-14-2004, 11:29 PM

Question regarding options -- in OOTP, I'm assuming you have three option years. Are those calculated as true option years or is an option exercised each time a player is demoted/promoted? I'm seeing some players with one option year remaining who were demoted to the minors twice during the season -- just wondiering if that is a coincidence or not.

Just as in MLB, you can be demoted/promoted any number of times during a single "option" year.

McSweeny

04-14-2004, 11:35 PM

Just as in MLB, you can be demoted/promoted any number of times during a single "option" year.

just ask Lou Merloni :D

k0ruptr

04-14-2004, 11:40 PM

LMAO sweet lou

dawgfan

04-15-2004, 02:25 AM

A few questions:

1. What the hell is 'gap power' supposed to represent? Power is power; rather than being a seperate category, gap power should just be part of a continuum of possibilities on the power scale. Doubles and triples should be influenced by a combination of power and speed/baserunning.

2. I'm curious what endurance for a pitcher is really supposed to represent; while there is certainly a difference in how many pitches a pitcher can throw and remain effective, this is rarely the reason for using some guys as starters and others relievers; I've played some baseball games where this rating was so severe that relievers with very poor ratings here would tire after facing 3-4 hitters, which is ridiculous. The thing that generally seperates relievers from starters is the variety and quality of the pitcher's repertoire.

One thing I'd like to see is some correlation between the type of stuff a pitcher uses and whether he becomes more effective as a reliever than as a starter; for example, a pitcher with a good fastball may become more effective as a reliever since they're able to really cut loose with that pitch rather than pacing themselves. So maybe a guy with a mediocre endurance rating but a great fastball would be a mediocre starter, but a potentially very good reliever.

3. If I decide I'd rather auto-sim a few weeks or even months at a time, will the game automatically make substitutions in my lineups? Are there settings that govern this, i.e. setting substitution frequency and preferences for how you'd want your batting order modified when substitutions happen? Or does the game require you to manually change your lineups and batting orders? Is there a fatigue rating for position players that affects player performance?

dawgfan

04-15-2004, 03:01 AM

Dola -

I just randomly clicked on a player card link from Ben's HTML output, and I noticed something a little funny; the player (Marcos Aybar) is listed as 32 years old. It says his Years of MLB service = 14, which would mean he made the majors at 18, and says his Years of pro service = 17, which means he was signed at 15. He's Dominican, but even foreign players I believe have to be 16 or 17 before they're allowed to sign professional contracts, and outside of Robin Yount I can't think of any player in modern times that has been in the majors since they were 18.

This is admittedly serious nit-picking, and I have no idea if this is an extreme example or the norm, but something to keep an eye on...

Another thing I just noticed - I'm looking at the Top Prospects screen, and a couple more things jumped out at me. I don't know how seriously we're supposed to take minor-league performance into account when evaluating prospects, but the homerun numbers for guys in A and AA were very high. Power is something that generally takes some time to develop, and most guys that hit with power in the majors started off in the minors hitting lots of doubles and not so many homeruns. Go flip through a Baseball Register book sometime and take a look at the minor league stats for most power hitters; it's rare to see a guy with 20 or more homeruns in a season at the lower levels.

The other thing was the high number of IP for guys in the A level - again, at that level most clubs are fairly protective of their pitchers' arms and you don't see many guys racking up 160+ IP at a young age. Also, not one pitcher in the prospects list has a K:IP ratio higher than 0.92:0; strikeout rate is one of the top predictors of MLB success for a pitcher, and again if you scan through minor league stats for real players, many good successful power pitchers had 1:0 or better K:IP ratios in the minors, especially in A ball; some with very high ratios like 1.3:0. I wouldn't expect most of the pitchers in the prospect list to have 1:0 or higher K:IP ratios, but I would expect some.

At the MLB level, at first glance it looks like the IP numbers might be a touch too high, which would indicate to me that there aren't enough minor and/or major injuries for pitchers - guys missing 3-4 turns in the rotation over a year due to various minor ailments.

On a somewhat related note, I'd be curious what the casualty rate is of pitching prospects in OOTP - how many highly touted pitching prospects succumb to injuries and either never make the bigs, or lose some/much of their effectiveness? How about injuries in general - do they happen frequently enough, and how do they effect a player's ability both short-term and long-term? How variable are players' development curves and declines? Are there both Barry Bonds/Nolan Ryan types (i.e. freaks of nature that retain their effectiveness well into their late-30's/early-40's), Dale Murphy/Ron Guidry types (superstars that quickly decline in their early-30's), Alex Rodriguez/Dwight Gooden types (guys who burst onto the scene highly developed) and Raul Ibanez/Jamie Moyer types (late bloomers)?

This post will probably tweak Bucc's sensibilities, but one of the things I'd most look forward to in a baseball sim are realistic numbers at both the major league and minor league levels. Without this, the game would feel less believable.

Lots of questions, but hopefully Ben's long-term simming will give us enough data to find answers to some or all of these issues...

Marmel

04-15-2004, 03:03 AM

Maybe its just me but OOTP has pretty much run its course with me. If it was not for being in an online league, I would have abondoned this a long time ago. To be heading into the 6th version with not all that much significant change from version 3.....well, been there, done that.

Neuqua

04-15-2004, 03:08 AM

Yeah.

Marmel

04-15-2004, 03:08 AM

Yeah.

Stop kissing my ass, you homo.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 03:23 AM

For those that care about sim speed, on my P4, 2.4GHz, 512MB laptop, the sim last night ran 13 seasons in a little over 6 hours, or a little under 30 minutes per season. I am going to do some other stuff this morning for a while so the sim can get up to around 2020. By then, most of the original fictional players will be gone, and the league will be mature enough to take a look at things like how many players are eligible for free agency, how teams are doing financially, how players have developed, matured, retired, etc.

I'm going now to the web stuff to see how well they've done getting rid of the 10.4K per nine inning guys who give up 1.1 hits per nine innings.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 03:37 AM

A couple of comments about tweakable things I noticed in the stats right off the bat (especially since I see that Markus is reading right now. :D)

1. WHIP needs to be somewhere on the player HTML report, besides just when a guy is in the top 10.
2. Using "start highest rested starter", I'm getting a hair too many starts from the top pitchers in the modern era. A few guys had 38/39 starts, which very rarely happens any more.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 03:44 AM

one of the things I'd most look forward to in a baseball sim are realistic numbers at both the major league and minor league levels. Without this, the game would feel less believable.Amen.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:03 AM

You can customize this by the league totals and the player creation modifiers:

http://www.mirror1.ootpdevelopments.com/ootp6screens/screen4.jpgACK! NO! NO! NO! NO! I intentionally used default settings, because default settings need to be realistic. We don't buy games to tweak settings. We buy games to play the games. I am a firm, firm believer that a big part of the development team's is to get us a solid stats engine when playing "default." If we want to create a softball league, deadball era, or slightly raise or lower something from the defaults, that's what the stats tweaks should be for.

All of that being said, there's some great news. Markus just informed me that he has found and fixed a bug that caused inflated offensive numbers. I'll be continuing the preview with a new build later today. With that news, I'm stopping the long-term sim now, letting it advance to the end of 2018, and I'll take a look at the offseason stuff, rather than focusing on stats produced in the currently-uploaded league which are now invalid. I'm removing that HTML report from the server now.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:36 AM

Ok, so I HAD to take a look at a little player development before advancing to free agency! :p Here are some stats from the first card I looked at, the all-time K leader in my league as of 2018:

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.74</TD><TD>45.2</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6.82</TD><TD>124.0</TD><TD>137</TD><TD>107</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>89</TD><TD>113</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.77</TD><TD>169.1</TD><TD>130</TD><TD>85</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>165</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.51</TD><TD>201.1</TD><TD>167</TD><TD>105</TD><TD>101</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>230</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2010</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.07</TD><TD>208.1</TD><TD>173</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>277</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2011</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>227.2</TD><TD>164</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>68</TD><TD>263</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2012</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.48</TD><TD>232.1</TD><TD>142</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>250</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2013</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.43</TD><TD>233.2</TD><TD>171</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>269</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>BAL,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2014</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.70</TD><TD>209.0</TD><TD>149</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>86</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>228</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.96</TD><TD>168.0</TD><TD>127</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>177</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.87</TD><TD>227.2</TD><TD>180</TD><TD>108</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>226</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2017</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.99</TD><TD>228.0</TD><TD>173</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>101</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>260</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2018</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.80</TD><TD>241.2</TD><TD>207</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>248</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>412</TD><TD>406</TD><TD>157</TD><TD>108</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.65</TD><TD>2516.2</TD><TD>1962</TD><TD>1119</TD><TD>1020</TD><TD>940</TD><TD>2747</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD class=s3> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Minor League Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006, AA</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.49</TD><TD>126.1</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>134</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2006, AAA</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.66</TD><TD>19.2</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2007, AAA</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.72</TD><TD>15.2</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2008, AAA</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.74</TD><TD>31.0</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ragone

04-15-2004, 04:37 AM

3 shutouts/7 complete games in his career? thats kinda.. odd for someone with that kinda strike out ability to not have more shutouts

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:38 AM

Here's a 10th-round draft choice pitcher who made it big....

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5.60</TD><TD>119.0</TD><TD>122</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>66</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>TB</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>6.51</TD><TD>55.1</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>TB</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.92</TD><TD>12.1</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>TB</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.13</TD><TD>244.2</TD><TD>179</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>85</TD><TD>112</TD><TD>249</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>TB</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2010</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.14</TD><TD>258.0</TD><TD>195</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>259</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD class=s3_2>TB</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2011</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>273.0</TD><TD>209</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>91</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>251</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD class=s3>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2012</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.15</TD><TD>257.0</TD><TD>215</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>241</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD class=s3_2>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2013</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.56</TD><TD>260.2</TD><TD>230</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>248</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2014</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.32</TD><TD>252.0</TD><TD>216</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>86</TD><TD>247</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.54</TD><TD>246.1</TD><TD>221</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>253</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.82</TD><TD>230.2</TD><TD>217</TD><TD>111</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>224</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2017</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.93</TD><TD>226.2</TD><TD>216</TD><TD>113</TD><TD>99</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>234</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2018</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.78</TD><TD>216.1</TD><TD>208</TD><TD>122</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>237</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>417</TD><TD>397</TD><TD>168</TD><TD>131</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3.66</TD><TD>2652.0</TD><TD>2287</TD><TD>1189</TD><TD>1079</TD><TD>962</TD><TD>2601</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>16</TD><TD class=s3> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Minor League Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2004, A</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.57</TD><TD>158.2</TD><TD>131</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>159</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2004, AA</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.28</TD><TD>32.1</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2005, AA</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.61</TD><TD>79.1</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2005, AAA</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6.16</TD><TD>80.1</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>59</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006, AAA</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.46</TD><TD>41.2</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007, AAA</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.75</TD><TD>30.1</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008, AAA</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.28</TD><TD>157.2</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>44</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>191</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:40 AM

4th-round pick with a pretty solid career:

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2007</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.65</TD><TD>239.1</TD><TD>238</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>131</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2008</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.69</TD><TD>241.2</TD><TD>244</TD><TD>136</TD><TD>126</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>163</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2009</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.16</TD><TD>249.0</TD><TD>261</TD><TD>122</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>149</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2010</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.52</TD><TD>261.0</TD><TD>257</TD><TD>112</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>176</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2011</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.55</TD><TD>264.0</TD><TD>270</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>75</TD><TD>197</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2012</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.70</TD><TD>194.2</TD><TD>214</TD><TD>91</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>118</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2013</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.86</TD><TD>273.2</TD><TD>269</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>165</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2014</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.31</TD><TD>229.2</TD><TD>250</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>110</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>137</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>PHI</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2015</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5.01</TD><TD>206.2</TD><TD>241</TD><TD>129</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>PHI</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2016</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.49</TD><TD>214.0</TD><TD>219</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>134</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3>PHI</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2017</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.72</TD><TD>203.0</TD><TD>208</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>73</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>PHI</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2018</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.25</TD><TD>65.2</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>PHI</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Total</TD><TD>396</TD><TD>395</TD><TD>180</TD><TD>122</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.86</TD><TD>2642.1</TD><TD>2742</TD><TD>1250</TD><TD>1134</TD><TD>782</TD><TD>1590</TD><TD>44</TD><TD>13</TD><TD class=s3_2> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Career Minor League Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2005, AA</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.57</TD><TD>176.2</TD><TD>173</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>150</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2006, AA</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.44</TD><TD>188.0</TD><TD>142</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>145</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>4</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006, AAA</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6.60</TD><TD>15.0</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007, AAA</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.00</TD><TD>9.0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:41 AM

3 shutouts/7 complete games in his career? thats kinda.. odd for someone with that kinda strike out ability to not have more shutoutsKeep in mind that this is with the build that has offensive stats inflated. They're coming down in the next build.

Ragone

04-15-2004, 04:42 AM

Oh.. so the hitters are set to Bonds?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:44 AM

A player card that many of you will enjoy seeing...

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=title>#26 Keith Lorusso, Starting Pitcher, 42 yrs, Montreal
Sunday, 10/10/2018</TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>file:///C:/PROGRA~1/OUTOFT~1/OOTP6~1/graphics/defaultphoto.bmp</TD><TD class=s4>Name :
Nickname :
Birthday :
Age :
Born in :
Height :
Weight :

Position :
Bats :
Throws :
</TD><TD class=s4>Keith Lorusso

2/27/1976
42
USA
6"4
240

Starting Pitcher
R
R
</TD><TD class=s4>Desire for Winner :
Loyalty :
Team Leader Skills :
Consistency :
Clutch Performance :
Injury Rating :
Overall Rating :
</B></TD><TD class=s4>Minimal
Average
None at all
Average
Normal
Prone
2.5 Stars
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Contract & Roster Status

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Contract :
Salary :
Signed Through :
Extention :
Years of MLB Service :
MLB Service Days this Year :
Years on 40-Man Roster :
Years of Pro Service :
Rule 5 Draft Eligibility :
Arbitration Eligibility :
Minor League Option Years :
</TD><TD class=s4>Big League Contract
$ 5,280,000
2018
$ 5,280,000 (2018 year(s))
24 Year(s), 166 Days (4294 total Days)
185 Day(s)
27 Year(s), 147 Days (4791 total Days)
27 Year(s)
Protected (on 40 Man Roster)
Not eligible
1 Option Year(s) left
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Pitching Ratings

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Pitching</TD><TD>Stuff</TD><TD>Movement</TD><TD>Control</TD><TD>Velocity</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Overall</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>96</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>88-91 Mph</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Versus LHB</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>55</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Versus RHB</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>99</TD><TD>61</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Talent</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>61</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Pitching Ratings
Endurance :
Groundball Pct. :
Holding Runners :
</TD><TD>
76
70
1
</TD><TD class=s1> </TD><TD class=s4>Pitches:
Fastball
Sinker
Slider
</TD><TD class=s1> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Batting Ratings

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Batting</TD><TD>Contact</TD><TD>Gap</TD><TD>Power</TD><TD>Discipline/Eye</TD><TD>Avoid K's</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Overall</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>19</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Versus LHP</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>19</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Versus RHP</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>19</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Talent</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>19</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Running & Bunting Ratings
Running Speed :
Stealing Ability :
Sacrifice Bunt :
Bunt for Hit :
Hitter Type :
</TD><TD class=s4>
8
10
4
1
Spray Hitter
</TD><TD class=s4>Fielding Ratings
P : 77 (Range), .934 (Fielding Pct.)
Catcher Arm : 4
Outfield Arm : 11
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Game Log, Last 10 Games

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Date</TD><TD>Opp.</TD><TD class=s3> Result</TD><TD>Start</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>Dec</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>8/23</TD><TD>NY</TD><TD class=s3_2>L 0-3 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1007.html)</TD><TD> </TD><TD>0.1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>8/27</TD><TD>HOU</TD><TD class=s3>L 8-9 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1040.html)</TD><TD> </TD><TD>1.2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>8/30</TD><TD>@PHI</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 10-7 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1063.html)</TD><TD> </TD><TD>1.1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/2</TD><TD>@CIN</TD><TD class=s3>L 3-4 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1080.html)</TD><TD> </TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/4</TD><TD>@CIN</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 10-6 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1096.html)</TD><TD> </TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/6</TD><TD>ATL</TD><TD class=s3>W 7-6 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1110.html)</TD><TD> </TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>W</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/10</TD><TD>@C(</TD><TD class=s3_2>L 5-10 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1141.html)</TD><TD> </TD><TD>2</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/16</TD><TD>HOU</TD><TD class=s3>L 3-12 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1190.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>L</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/22</TD><TD>@FLO</TD><TD class=s3_2>L 5-12 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1231.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/28</TD><TD>ATL</TD><TD class=s3>L 2-7 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1270.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>L</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Pitching Stats 2018

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Overall</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>CG%</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD>QS</TD><TD>QS%</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2> </TD><TD>39</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3.54</TD><TD>122.0</TD><TD>121</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>68</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>6.7</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>60.0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Overall</TD><TD>SVO</TD><TD>BS</TD><TD>SV%</TD><TD>RA</TD><TD>GF</TD><TD>R/9</TD><TD>H/9</TD><TD>K/9</TD><TD>BB/9</TD><TD>RL</TD><TD>RLS</TD><TD>RLS%</TD><TD>IR</TD><TD>IRS</TD><TD>IRS%</TD><TD>ERC</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2> </TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>100.0</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>13.1</TD><TD>8.9</TD><TD>5.0</TD><TD>3.5</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>30.8</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>50.0</TD><TD>3.96</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1></TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SF</TD><TD>SH</TD><TD>HP</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>vs. LHB</TD><TD>194</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>.278</TD><TD>.385</TD><TD>.402</TD><TD>.787</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>vs. RHB</TD><TD>272</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.246</TD><TD>.291</TD><TD>.349</TD><TD>.640</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1></TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Home</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.69</TD><TD>67.0</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>33</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Road</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4.58</TD><TD>55.0</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>35</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Postseason</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>This Week</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.00</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Last Week</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5.14</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Month</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>March/April</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.93</TD><TD>9.1</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>8</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>May</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.10</TD><TD>25.2</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>14</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>June</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.87</TD><TD>31.1</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>16</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>July</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6.14</TD><TD>22.0</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>11</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>August</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3.72</TD><TD>9.2</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>8</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Sept./Oct.</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.13</TD><TD>24.0</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>11</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2004</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.83</TD><TD>247.0</TD><TD>231</TD><TD>122</TD><TD>105</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>192</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2005</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.17</TD><TD>228.2</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>106</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>169</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.83</TD><TD>241.1</TD><TD>224</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>152</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.11</TD><TD>263.0</TD><TD>218</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>91</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>189</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.86</TD><TD>257.2</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>89</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>210</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.62</TD><TD>261.0</TD><TD>208</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>209</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2010</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.58</TD><TD>276.0</TD><TD>227</TD><TD>96</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>210</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2011</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.80</TD><TD>264.0</TD><TD>218</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>59</TD><TD>173</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2012</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.31</TD><TD>264.0</TD><TD>227</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>224</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2013</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.10</TD><TD>261.2</TD><TD>253</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>185</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2014</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.57</TD><TD>228.1</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>138</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>161</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.97</TD><TD>239.2</TD><TD>254</TD><TD>96</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>163</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.90</TD><TD>187.0</TD><TD>207</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2017</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.90</TD><TD>193.0</TD><TD>231</TD><TD>125</TD><TD>105</TD><TD>66</TD><TD>110</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2018</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3.54</TD><TD>122.0</TD><TD>121</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>68</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>546</TD><TD>521</TD><TD>228</TD><TD>166</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3.34</TD><TD>3534.1</TD><TD>3347</TD><TD>1526</TD><TD>1313</TD><TD>858</TD><TD>2518</TD><TD>44</TD><TD>17</TD><TD class=s3> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Minor League Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Postseason Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.86</TD><TD>16.1</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.59</TD><TD>17.0</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Total</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.70</TD><TD>33.1</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Career Batting Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2004</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.081</TD><TD>.117</TD><TD>.108</TD><TD>.225</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2005</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.083</TD><TD>.096</TD><TD>.139</TD><TD>.235</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>73</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.110</TD><TD>.133</TD><TD>.123</TD><TD>.257</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.084</TD><TD>.156</TD><TD>.169</TD><TD>.324</TD><TD class=s3>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.112</TD><TD>.155</TD><TD>.138</TD><TD>.292</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>88</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.102</TD><TD>.132</TD><TD>.148</TD><TD>.280</TD><TD class=s3>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2010</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>85</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.035</TD><TD>.068</TD><TD>.082</TD><TD>.151</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2011</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.111</TD><TD>.143</TD><TD>.136</TD><TD>.279</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2012</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.064</TD><TD>.093</TD><TD>.085</TD><TD>.178</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2013</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.026</TD><TD>.085</TD><TD>.039</TD><TD>.124</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2014</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.081</TD><TD>.174</TD><TD>.161</TD><TD>.335</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.092</TD><TD>.115</TD><TD>.145</TD><TD>.260</TD><TD class=s3>MON,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.097</TD><TD>.111</TD><TD>.226</TD><TD>.337</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2017</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.066</TD><TD>.095</TD><TD>.082</TD><TD>.177</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2018</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.125</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.125</TD><TD class=s3_2>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>546</TD><TD>1096</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>365</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.079</TD><TD>.120</TD><TD>.122</TD><TD>.242</TD><TD class=s3> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Fielding Stats 2018

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Position</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>PO</TD><TD>A</TD><TD>DP</TD><TD>TC</TD><TD>E</TD><TD>PCT</TD><TD>INN</TD><TD>RANGE</TD><TD>PB</TD><TD>RSTA</TD><TD>RTO</TD><TD>RTO%</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Pitcher</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.968</TD><TD>122.0</TD><TD>2.29</TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Player History

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>Drafted in 4th round, 63rd overall pick, by Montreal in 2004...
Had first career hit on 4/7/2004, off Thad Giunta (ATL)...
Earned first career win on 4/7/2004...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 10/1/2005, going 3-1, 2.45...
Won Platinum Glove at Pitcher in 2005...
Won Player of the Week award on 6/28/2006, winning 2 games with a 0.00 ERA...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 7/1/2006, going 6-0, 1.53...
Was selected to the 2006 Allstar game...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 8/1/2006, going 4-1, 0.75...
Won Outstanding Pitcher in 2006, going 20-11, 2.83 ERA...
Was selected to the 2007 Allstar game...
Won Outstanding Pitcher in 2007, going 19-12, 3.11 ERA...
Was selected to the 2008 Allstar game...
Won World Championship with Montreal in 2008...
Signed as a free agent by Montreal on 2/9/2009 to a 7-year deal worth $14,518,200 per year...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 6/1/2009, going 6-1, 1.75...
Was selected to the 2009 Allstar game...
Won World Championship with Montreal in 2009...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 5/1/2010, going 5-1, 1.09...
Was selected to the 2010 Allstar game...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 8/1/2010, going 2-0, 1.88...
Hit first career homerun on 9/8/2010, off Damian Llanes (HOU)...
Won Platinum Glove at Pitcher in 2010...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 8/1/2011, going 4-0, 1.95...
Won Outstanding Pitcher in 2011, going 18-12, 2.80 ERA...
Was selected to the 2012 Allstar game...
Won Outstanding Pitcher in 2012, going 21-10, 3.31 ERA...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 5/1/2015, going 3-1, 1.74...
Was selected to the 2015 Allstar game...
Injured on 8/22/2016 with a Torn Bicep Muscle, out for 4 weeks...
Won Platinum Glove at Pitcher in 2016...
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Pitching Leader Boards Appearances</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>ERA
2004 - 3.83 - 7th
2006 - 2.83 - 1st
2007 - 3.11 - 4th
2008 - 2.86 - 2nd
2009 - 2.62 - 2nd
2010 - 2.58 - 1st
2011 - 2.80 - 1st
2012 - 3.31 - 6th
2013 - 3.10 - 5th
2015 - 2.97 - 3rd
</TD><TD class=s4>WHIP
2004 - 1.21 - 7th
2006 - 1.07 - 2nd
2007 - 1.05 - 3rd
2008 - 1.13 - 4th
2009 - 1.03 - 2nd
2010 - 1.00 - 1st
2011 - 1.05 - 1st
2012 - 1.09 - 1st
2013 - 1.20 - 7th
</TD><TD class=s4>Wins
2004 - 17 - 2nd
2006 - 20 - 2nd
2007 - 19 - 1st
2008 - 14 - 8th
2009 - 20 - 3rd
2010 - 18 - 3rd
2011 - 18 - 1st
2012 - 21 - 1st
2013 - 18 - 3rd
2015 - 14 - 6th
</TD><TD class=s4>Losses
2004 - 15 - 2nd
2014 - 15 - 7th
2017 - 12 - 10th
</TD><TD class=s4>IP
2004 - 247.0 - 3rd
2005 - 228.2 - 5th
2006 - 241.1 - 5th
2007 - 263.0 - 1st
2008 - 257.2 - 1st
2009 - 261.0 - 1st
2010 - 276.0 - 1st
2011 - 264.0 - 1st
2012 - 264.0 - 1st
2013 - 261.2 - 1st
2014 - 228.1 - 8th
2015 - 239.2 - 5th
</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>K's
2004 - 192 - 6th
2005 - 169 - 7th
2006 - 152 - 9th
2007 - 189 - 4th
2008 - 210 - 3rd
2009 - 209 - 4th
2010 - 210 - 4th
2011 - 173 - 5th
2012 - 224 - 3rd
2013 - 185 - 7th
2014 - 161 - 10th
</TD><TD class=s4>CG
2004 - 2 - 7th
2005 - 4 - 3rd
2006 - 4 - 2nd
2007 - 3 - 10th
2009 - 7 - 1st
2010 - 5 - 1st
2011 - 4 - 1st
2012 - 4 - 3rd
2014 - 2 - 10th
2016 - 3 - 6th
2017 - 1 - 9th
</TD><TD class=s4>SHO
2004 - 1 - 3rd
2005 - 2 - 4th
2006 - 2 - 2nd
2007 - 2 - 2nd
2009 - 2 - 1st
2010 - 2 - 1st
2011 - 2 - 1st
2016 - 2 - 5th
2017 - 0 - 10th
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:48 AM

This closer was born 1/25/75. Dominant stretch from age 29-35. Very effective from 36-38. Decent from 39-41. Dropped off table at 42.

OK, I'm now officially getting excited. :D :D :D

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2004</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>1.74</TD><TD>67.1</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>86</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2005</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>1.98</TD><TD>81.2</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>1.96</TD><TD>59.2</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>CLE</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>2.07</TD><TD>69.2</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>CLE,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>3.43</TD><TD>63.0</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>75</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>CLE</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>1.93</TD><TD>65.1</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>CLE</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2010</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>1.07</TD><TD>67.0</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>CLE,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2011</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>3.60</TD><TD>80.0</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>99</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>CLE</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2012</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>2.66</TD><TD>67.2</TD><TD>73</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>C(</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2013</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>3.03</TD><TD>71.1</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>C(,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2014</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>4.35</TD><TD>62.0</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>TOR</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3.28</TD><TD>57.2</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>TOR</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>4.44</TD><TD>52.2</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>TOR</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2017</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7.41</TD><TD>37.2</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>MON</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Total</TD><TD>789</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>360</TD><TD>2.89</TD><TD>902.2</TD><TD>743</TD><TD>329</TD><TD>290</TD><TD>314</TD><TD>993</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:53 AM

But it varies. This guy was born 7/19/76. One of the most reliable guys around from 28-36, struggles at 37-38, Essentially done at 39.

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2004</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.31</TD><TD>209.1</TD><TD>164</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>227</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>DET,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2005</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.03</TD><TD>255.1</TD><TD>203</TD><TD>102</TD><TD>86</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>273</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3>DET</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.67</TD><TD>240.0</TD><TD>198</TD><TD>107</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>85</TD><TD>264</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>DET</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.05</TD><TD>253.2</TD><TD>180</TD><TD>99</TD><TD>86</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>272</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD class=s3>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.29</TD><TD>246.1</TD><TD>183</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.16</TD><TD>236.1</TD><TD>185</TD><TD>91</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>253</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>NY,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2010</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.00</TD><TD>228.0</TD><TD>171</TD><TD>91</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>66</TD><TD>237</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2011</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.20</TD><TD>210.2</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>75</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>252</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>NY,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2012</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.25</TD><TD>227.0</TD><TD>183</TD><TD>89</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>208</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2013</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.81</TD><TD>153.1</TD><TD>150</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>65</TD><TD>143</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2014</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.72</TD><TD>200.1</TD><TD>192</TD><TD>113</TD><TD>105</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>186</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>5.99</TD><TD>94.2</TD><TD>106</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>88</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.35</TD><TD>6.2</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY TB</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>426</TD><TD>399</TD><TD>176</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3.53</TD><TD>2561.2</TD><TD>2078</TD><TD>1118</TD><TD>1004</TD><TD>868</TD><TD>2668</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>6</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Tekneek

04-15-2004, 04:54 AM

A contract extension of 2,018 years?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:59 AM

Born in '78. Abrupt retirement. No injury. Still at the top of his game at age 38:

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Batting Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2004</TD><TD>155</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>189</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>107</TD><TD>130</TD><TD>112</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.328</TD><TD>.438</TD><TD>.623</TD><TD>1.061</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2005</TD><TD>156</TD><TD>561</TD><TD>176</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>106</TD><TD>113</TD><TD>67</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.314</TD><TD>.429</TD><TD>.556</TD><TD>.985</TD><TD class=s3>BAL,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2006</TD><TD>155</TD><TD>569</TD><TD>190</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>101</TD><TD>119</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.334</TD><TD>.436</TD><TD>.585</TD><TD>1.021</TD><TD class=s3_2>BAL,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2007</TD><TD>156</TD><TD>561</TD><TD>187</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>120</TD><TD>133</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.461</TD><TD>.602</TD><TD>1.064</TD><TD class=s3>BAL,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008</TD><TD>144</TD><TD>529</TD><TD>184</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>123</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.348</TD><TD>.449</TD><TD>.622</TD><TD>1.071</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>568</TD><TD>184</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>129</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>122</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.324</TD><TD>.443</TD><TD>.592</TD><TD>1.035</TD><TD class=s3>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2010</TD><TD>154</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>198</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>109</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.344</TD><TD>.438</TD><TD>.613</TD><TD>1.051</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2011</TD><TD>156</TD><TD>610</TD><TD>214</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>124</TD><TD>133</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>78</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.351</TD><TD>.432</TD><TD>.593</TD><TD>1.025</TD><TD class=s3>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2012</TD><TD>153</TD><TD>563</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>124</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.288</TD><TD>.416</TD><TD>.529</TD><TD>.946</TD><TD class=s3_2>NY</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2013</TD><TD>161</TD><TD>643</TD><TD>203</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>124</TD><TD>137</TD><TD>96</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.316</TD><TD>.405</TD><TD>.586</TD><TD>.991</TD><TD class=s3>NY,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2014</TD><TD>156</TD><TD>580</TD><TD>205</TD><TD>51</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>126</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.353</TD><TD>.452</TD><TD>.638</TD><TD>1.090</TD><TD class=s3_2>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015</TD><TD>155</TD><TD>589</TD><TD>174</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>130</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.295</TD><TD>.382</TD><TD>.594</TD><TD>.976</TD><TD class=s3>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>158</TD><TD>602</TD><TD>184</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>44</TD><TD>125</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>111</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.306</TD><TD>.386</TD><TD>.611</TD><TD>.997</TD><TD class=s3_2>TB,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>2017</TD><TD>7527</TD><TD>2450</TD><TD>514</TD><TD>45</TD><TD>477</TD><TD>1471</TD><TD>1562</TD><TD>1349</TD><TD>1036</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>.325</TD><TD>.428</TD><TD>.596</TD><TD>1.024</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 05:08 AM

A comment on player development (and I know some beta guys are reading, so I'd love to hear their take on this one as well):

So far, from looking over the stats of the career leaders after 15 season, it appears that the top players are usually hitting the bigs a little earlier than in previous versions. Right now, the league's better position players seems to have generally hit the bigs in the age 21-23 range. I'm working up a quick little study right now to give y'all some hard numbers.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 05:31 AM

Booj

04-15-2004, 05:36 AM

(Still working on the little study, but just a comment...)

Here's something that is not abundant clear to me yet, as I haven't followed the chatter at OOTP Developments extremely closely. With ratings for "stuff" and "movement", what exactly does each one represent?

Here is the final list of pitcher ratings:
Stuff (heavily influences Ks)
Movement (Influences HRs)
Control (Influences BBs, and slightly Ks and HRs)
Velocity (Slightly influences Ks)

Endurance, Hold Runners, HBP, Balks and WPs.

Cheers,
Markus (dated Feb 23rd)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 05:41 AM

Another fun player card. First career win a couple of weeks after his 20th birthday:

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=title>#3 Don "Bootleg" Dunbar, Starting Pitcher, 29 yrs, Toronto
Sunday, 10/10/2018</TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>file:///C:/PROGRA~1/OUTOFT~1/OOTP6~1/graphics/defaultphoto.bmp</TD><TD class=s4>Name :
Nickname :
Birthday :
Age :
Born in :
Height :
Weight :

Position :
Bats :
Throws :
</TD><TD class=s4>Don Dunbar
Bootleg
7/3/1989
29
USA
6"4
210

Starting Pitcher
R
R
</TD><TD class=s4>Desire for Winner :
Loyalty :
Team Leader Skills :
Consistency :
Clutch Performance :
Injury Rating :
Overall Rating :
</B></TD><TD class=s4>Minimal
Loyal
None at all
Good
Normal
Normal
4.5 Stars
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Contract & Roster Status

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Contract :
Salary :
Signed Through :
Years of MLB Service :
MLB Service Days this Year :
Years on 40-Man Roster :
Years of Pro Service :
Rule 5 Draft Eligibility :
Arbitration Eligibility :
Minor League Option Years :
</TD><TD class=s4>Big League Contract
$ 10,508,400
2020
9 Year(s), 80 Days (1628 total Days)
185 Day(s)
10 Year(s), 25 Days (1745 total Days)
10 Year(s)
Protected (on 40 Man Roster)
Not eligible
3 Option Year(s) left
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Pitching Ratings

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Pitching</TD><TD>Stuff</TD><TD>Movement</TD><TD>Control</TD><TD>Velocity</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Overall</TD><TD>89</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>98-100 Mph</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Versus LHB</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>25</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Versus RHB</TD><TD>90</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>32</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Talent</TD><TD>96</TD><TD>89</TD><TD>35</TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Pitching Ratings
Endurance :
Groundball Pct. :
Holding Runners :
</TD><TD>
93
35
3
</TD><TD class=s1> </TD><TD class=s4>Pitches:
Fastball
Changeup
Curveball
</TD><TD class=s1> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Batting Ratings

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Batting</TD><TD>Contact</TD><TD>Gap</TD><TD>Power</TD><TD>Discipline/Eye</TD><TD>Avoid K's</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Overall</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>11</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Versus LHP</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>11</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Versus RHP</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>11</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Talent</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>11</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Running & Bunting Ratings
Running Speed :
Stealing Ability :
Sacrifice Bunt :
Bunt for Hit :
Hitter Type :
</TD><TD class=s4>
15
11
4
1
Spray Hitter
</TD><TD class=s4>Fielding Ratings
P : 19 (Range), .972 (Fielding Pct.)
Catcher Arm : 2
Outfield Arm : 18
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Game Log, Last 10 Games

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Date</TD><TD>Opp.</TD><TD class=s3> Result</TD><TD>Start</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>Dec</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>8/22</TD><TD>CLE</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 13-5 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box993.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>6.1</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>W</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>8/27</TD><TD>@TB</TD><TD class=s3>W 11-8 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1035.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>3.2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/2</TD><TD>@C(</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 6-1 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1074.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>8.2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>PoG</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/7</TD><TD>DET</TD><TD class=s3>L 5-7 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1113.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>2.2</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>L</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/12</TD><TD>NY</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 8-5 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1153.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>7.2</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>7</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/18</TD><TD>@BOS</TD><TD class=s3>W 7-2 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1193.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>8.1</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>PoG</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/23</TD><TD>BOS</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 5-3 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1236.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>7.1</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>7</TD><TD> </TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/28</TD><TD>C(</TD><TD class=s3>W 8-1 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1265.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>7.2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>W</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>10/2</TD><TD>@C(</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 7-5 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1289.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>W</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>10/6</TD><TD>@CIN</TD><TD class=s3>W 3-2 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1298.html)</TD><TD>*</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>W</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Pitching Stats 2018

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Overall</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>CG%</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD>QS</TD><TD>QS%</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2> </TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.71</TD><TD>228.0</TD><TD>197</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>128</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>51.4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Overall</TD><TD>SVO</TD><TD>BS</TD><TD>SV%</TD><TD>RA</TD><TD>GF</TD><TD>R/9</TD><TD>H/9</TD><TD>K/9</TD><TD>BB/9</TD><TD>RL</TD><TD>RLS</TD><TD>RLS%</TD><TD>IR</TD><TD>IRS</TD><TD>IRS%</TD><TD>ERC</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2> </TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>13.0</TD><TD>7.8</TD><TD>9.3</TD><TD>5.1</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3.7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.0</TD><TD>4.17</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1></TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SF</TD><TD>SH</TD><TD>HP</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>vs. LHB</TD><TD>407</TD><TD>105</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.258</TD><TD>.369</TD><TD>.432</TD><TD>.802</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>vs. RHB</TD><TD>444</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>45</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>141</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.207</TD><TD>.297</TD><TD>.329</TD><TD>.626</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1></TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Home</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.21</TD><TD>131.2</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>135</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Road</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.39</TD><TD>96.1</TD><TD>83</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>100</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Postseason</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.57</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>6</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>This Week</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.57</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>6</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Last Week</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.45</TD><TD>14.2</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>14</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Month</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>March/April</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.82</TD><TD>38.1</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>43</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>May</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.45</TD><TD>30.1</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>33</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>June</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5.49</TD><TD>39.1</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>41</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>July</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.55</TD><TD>35.1</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>31</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>August</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.84</TD><TD>35.1</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>35</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Sept./Oct.</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.55</TD><TD>49.1</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>52</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2009</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.80</TD><TD>75.0</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2010</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.51</TD><TD>211.2</TD><TD>171</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>106</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>220</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2011</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5.82</TD><TD>179.1</TD><TD>172</TD><TD>124</TD><TD>116</TD><TD>132</TD><TD>210</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2012</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.47</TD><TD>191.1</TD><TD>161</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>228</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2013</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.43</TD><TD>187.0</TD><TD>157</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>92</TD><TD>106</TD><TD>230</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2014</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.81</TD><TD>219.0</TD><TD>203</TD><TD>126</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>258</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2015</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.10</TD><TD>246.2</TD><TD>176</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>85</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>263</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2016</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.41</TD><TD>228.2</TD><TD>196</TD><TD>117</TD><TD>112</TD><TD>123</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>TOR</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2017</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.48</TD><TD>245.2</TD><TD>183</TD><TD>98</TD><TD>95</TD><TD>133</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3_2>TOR</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2018</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.71</TD><TD>228.0</TD><TD>197</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>128</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD class=s3>TOR,L1</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Total</TD><TD>331</TD><TD>330</TD><TD>118</TD><TD>112</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.26</TD><TD>2012.1</TD><TD>1687</TD><TD>1024</TD><TD>952</TD><TD>1109</TD><TD>2176</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>1</TD><TD class=s3_2> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Career Minor League Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2008, A</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.74</TD><TD>92.0</TD><TD>68</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2008, AA</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3.35</TD><TD>94.0</TD><TD>72</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2009, AA</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.63</TD><TD>13.2</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2009, AAA</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4.03</TD><TD>96.0</TD><TD>97</TD><TD>45</TD><TD>43</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>108</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Postseason Pitching Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>W</TD><TD>L</TD><TD>SV</TD><TD>ERA</TD><TD>IP</TD><TD>HA</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>ER</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>CG</TD><TD>SHO</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2018</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.57</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2.57</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Batting Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2009</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.130</TD><TD>.130</TD><TD>.174</TD><TD>.304</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2010</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.056</TD><TD>.082</TD><TD>.099</TD><TD>.181</TD><TD class=s3>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2011</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>59</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.034</TD><TD>.066</TD><TD>.034</TD><TD>.099</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2012</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.066</TD><TD>.109</TD><TD>.115</TD><TD>.224</TD><TD class=s3>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2013</TD><TD>34</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.123</TD><TD>.153</TD><TD>.175</TD><TD>.328</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2014</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.150</TD><TD>.190</TD><TD>.217</TD><TD>.407</TD><TD class=s3>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2015</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.091</TD><TD>.146</TD><TD>.117</TD><TD>.263</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2016</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD class=s3>TOR</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2017</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD class=s3_2>TOR</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>296</TD><TD>408</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>143</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.088</TD><TD>.125</TD><TD>.127</TD><TD>.252</TD><TD class=s3> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Fielding Stats 2018

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Position</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>PO</TD><TD>A</TD><TD>DP</TD><TD>TC</TD><TD>E</TD><TD>PCT</TD><TD>INN</TD><TD>RANGE</TD><TD>PB</TD><TD>RSTA</TD><TD>RTO</TD><TD>RTO%</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Pitcher</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.933</TD><TD>228.0</TD><TD>1.18</TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Player History

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>Drafted in 1st round, 2nd overall pick, by Cincinnati in 2008...
Injured on 8/25/2008 with a Spasms Back, out for 5-6 weeks...
Injured on 5/25/2009 with a Bruised Finger, out for 2 days...
Earned first career win on 7/19/2009...
Had first career hit on 8/19/2009, off Sebastian Fuster (C()...
Hit first career homerun on 5/5/2012, off Michael Pillar (C()...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 6/1/2015, going 6-1, 1.88...
Struck out 15 batters against Florida on 6/29/2015...
Was selected to the 2015 Allstar game...
Signed as a free agent by Toronto on 2/12/2016 to a 5-year deal worth $10,508,400 per year...
Was selected to the 2018 Allstar game...
Won Pitcher of the Month award on 8/1/2018, going 4-0, 2.55...
Won World Championship with Toronto in 2018...
Won Outstanding Pitcher in 2018, going 20-5, 3.71 ERA...
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Pitching Leader Boards Appearances</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>ERA
2015 - 3.10 - 4th
2017 - 3.48 - 5th
</TD><TD class=s4>WHIP
2012 - 1.30 - 10th
2015 - 1.18 - 6th
2017 - 1.29 - 7th
</TD><TD class=s4>Wins
2015 - 18 - 1st
2017 - 18 - 4th
</TD><TD class=s4>Losses
2010 - 14 - 4th
2011 - 15 - 3rd
2012 - 14 - 4th
2013 - 13 - 8th
2014 - 14 - 8th
2016 - 15 - 4th
</TD><TD class=s4>IP
2014 - 219.0 - 10th
2015 - 246.2 - 2nd
2016 - 228.2 - 7th
2017 - 245.2 - 3rd
</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>K's
2010 - 220 - 3rd
2011 - 210 - 3rd
2012 - 228 - 2nd
2013 - 230 - 2nd
2014 - 258 - 1st
2015 - 263 - 1st
2016 - 235 - 1st
2017 - 235 - 2nd
</TD><TD class=s4>BB
2010 - 117 - 1st
2011 - 132 - 1st
2012 - 87 - 8th
2013 - 106 - 2nd
2014 - 115 - 1st
2015 - 115 - 1st
2016 - 123 - 1st
2017 - 133 - 1st
</TD><TD class=s4>CG
2015 - 2 - 6th
2016 - 4 - 5th
</TD><TD class=s4>SHO
2015 - 1 - 6th
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 05:46 AM

OK, here's a quick look that should help begin to give you a snapshot on player development. These are the top 10 home run hitters from 2018 and Top 10 pitchers in ERA from the same year:

<TABLE><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 110pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 5376" width=147><COL style="WIDTH: 44pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2121" width=58><COL style="WIDTH: 75pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3657" width=100><COL style="WIDTH: 60pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2925" width=80><COL style="WIDTH: 94pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4571" width=125><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="WIDTH: 110pt; HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle width=147 height=17>Name</TD><TD class=xl24 style="WIDTH: 44pt" align=middle width=58>Draft</TD><TD class=xl24 style="WIDTH: 75pt" align=middle width=100>Yrs in Minors</TD><TD class=xl24 style="WIDTH: 60pt" align=middle width=80>First call-up</TD><TD class=xl24 style="WIDTH: 94pt" align=middle width=125>First 400-AB season</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Juan Ramirez</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(1)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Hipolito Castro</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(6)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1.5+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>25</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Timothy Pankey</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(2)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>22</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>24</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Karl Sayer</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(1)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>2</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>26</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Christian Bergeson</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(3)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>.5+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>21</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>22</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Aaron Loughran</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(8)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>3.75+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>26</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Ezekial Carreras</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(4)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>.5+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>22</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>24</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Jessie Sosa</TD><TD class=xl26 style="mso-ignore: colspan" align=middle colSpan=4>WAS FROM ORIGINAL PLAYER POOL</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Alvin Caperton</TD><TD class=xl26 style="mso-ignore: colspan" align=middle colSpan=4>WAS FROM ORIGINAL PLAYER POOL</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Gabriel Milliner</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>3(36)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>7+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>21</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>27</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl24 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Name</TD><TD class=xl24 align=middle>Draft</TD><TD class=xl24 align=middle>Yrs in Minors</TD><TD class=xl24 align=middle>First call-up</TD><TD class=xl24 align=middle>First 150IP season</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Manuel Guasch</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(14)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>2+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>25</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>25</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>David Wurm</TD><TD class=xl26 style="mso-ignore: colspan" align=middle colSpan=4>WAS FROM ORIGINAL PLAYER POOL</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Dennis Smith</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(8)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>1</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Joseph Dix</TD><TD class=xl26 style="mso-ignore: colspan" align=middle colSpan=4>WAS FROM ORIGINAL PLAYER POOL</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>David Rogers</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>4(56)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>6+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>26</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Sebastian Fuster</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(4)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>1.5</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>22</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>24</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Cedric Baeza</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>2(27)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>up/down</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>25</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>28</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Victor King</TD><TD class=xl26 style="mso-ignore: colspan" align=middle colSpan=4>WAS FROM ORIGINAL PLAYER POOL</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Heriberto Escobedo</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(7)</TD><TD align=middle>up/down for 5</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>20</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>24</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>Francisco Pelaez</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1(5)</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle>1+</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>21</TD><TD class=xl25 align=middle x:num>23</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 05:51 AM

Proof positive that the young player (and this appears to be rare, as it should be) can be a star. All-star seasons at 21 and 22:

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=title>#98 Mathew Voigt, Rightfield, 22 yrs, Cincinnati
Sunday, 10/10/2018</TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>file:///C:/PROGRA~1/OUTOFT~1/OOTP6~1/graphics/defaultphoto.bmp</TD><TD class=s4>Name :
Nickname :
Birthday :
Age :
Born in :
Height :
Weight :

Position :
Bats :
Throws :
</TD><TD class=s4>Mathew Voigt

10/12/1995
22
USA
6"1
200

Rightfield
L
L
</TD><TD class=s4>Desire for Winner :
Loyalty :
Team Leader Skills :
Consistency :
Clutch Performance :
Injury Rating :
Prospect rating :
</B></TD><TD class=s4>Average
Average
None at all
Average
Normal
Normal
5.0 Stars
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Contract & Roster Status

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Contract :
Salary :
Signed Through :
Years of MLB Service :
MLB Service Days this Year :
Years on 40-Man Roster :
Years of Pro Service :
Rule 5 Draft Eligibility :
Arbitration Eligibility :
Minor League Option Years :
</TD><TD class=s4>Big League Contract
$ 300,000
2018 (Possible Arbitration)
2 Year(s), 55 Days (399 total Days)
185 Day(s)
2 Year(s), 95 Days (439 total Days)
3 Year(s)
Protected (on 40 Man Roster)

2 Option Year(s) left
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Ratings

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Batting</TD><TD>Contact</TD><TD>Gap</TD><TD>Power</TD><TD>Discipline/Eye</TD><TD>Avoid K's</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Overall</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>59</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>63</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Versus LHP</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>59</TD><TD>73</TD><TD>55</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Versus RHP</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>82</TD><TD>67</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Talent</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>94</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>67</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>Running & Bunting Ratings
Running Speed :
Stealing Ability :
Baserunning Instincts :
Sacrifice Bunt :
Bunt for Hit :
Hitter Type :
</TD><TD class=s4>
59
86
94
1
1
Pull Hitter
</TD><TD class=s4>Fielding Ratings
LF : 72 (Range), .983 (Fielding Pct.)
CF : 67 (Range), .985 (Fielding Pct.)
RF : 49 (Range), .982 (Fielding Pct.)
Catcher Arm : 4
Infield Arm : 37
Outfield Arm : 38
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Game Log, Last 10 Games

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Date</TD><TD>Opp.</TD><TD class=s3> Result</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>Spot</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/25</TD><TD>PHI</TD><TD class=s3_2>W 5-1 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1255.html)</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD>PoG</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/26</TD><TD>@FLO</TD><TD class=s3>L 8-9 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1264.html)</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>9/28</TD><TD>NY</TD><TD class=s3_2>L 0-2 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1271.html)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>9/29</TD><TD>@ATL</TD><TD class=s3>L 7-13 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1280.html)</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>10/1</TD><TD>@HOU</TD><TD class=s3_2>L 3-6 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1288.html)</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>10/2</TD><TD>C(</TD><TD class=s3>W 2-1 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1295.html)</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>10/5</TD><TD>TOR</TD><TD class=s3_2>L 3-6 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1297.html)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>10/6</TD><TD>TOR</TD><TD class=s3>L 2-3 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1298.html)</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>10/8</TD><TD>@TOR</TD><TD class=s3_2>L 3-5 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1299.html)</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD>PoG</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>10/9</TD><TD>@TOR</TD><TD class=s3>L 1-12 (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/box1300.html)</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>#1</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Batting Stats 2018

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Batting</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD><TD>TAVG</TD><TD>ISO</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2> </TD><TD>157</TD><TD>633</TD><TD>191</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>119</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>.302</TD><TD>.378</TD><TD>.447</TD><TD>.826</TD><TD>.894</TD><TD>.145</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Batting</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>PA</TD><TD>HP</TD><TD>IW</TD><TD>CI</TD><TD>GDP</TD><TD>SH</TD><TD>SF</TD><TD>TB</TD><TD>EBH</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>SB%</TD><TD>RC</TD><TD>RC/27</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2> </TD><TD>147</TD><TD>716</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>283</TD><TD>47</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>80.0</TD><TD>119.5</TD><TD>6.9</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1></TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SF</TD><TD>SH</TD><TD>HP</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>vs. LHP</TD><TD>115</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.252</TD><TD>.315</TD><TD>.391</TD><TD>.706</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>vs. RHP</TD><TD>518</TD><TD>162</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>103</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.313</TD><TD>.392</TD><TD>.459</TD><TD>.852</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Close/Late</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.348</TD><TD>.395</TD><TD>.536</TD><TD>.931</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Scoring Position</TD><TD>144</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.271</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.403</TD><TD>.736</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Pinch Hitting</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>.429</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>.829</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1></TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Home</TD><TD>77</TD><TD>293</TD><TD>84</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>.287</TD><TD>.366</TD><TD>.413</TD><TD>.779</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Road</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>340</TD><TD>107</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>44</TD><TD>71</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>42</TD><TD>.315</TD><TD>.390</TD><TD>.476</TD><TD>.866</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>This Week</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.556</TD><TD>.889</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Last Week</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.353</TD><TD>.450</TD><TD>.353</TD><TD>.803</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>March/April</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>107</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>.280</TD><TD>.342</TD><TD>.439</TD><TD>.781</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>May</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>108</TD><TD>39</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>.361</TD><TD>.444</TD><TD>.509</TD><TD>.954</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>June</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>104</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>.298</TD><TD>.383</TD><TD>.433</TD><TD>.816</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>July</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>96</TD><TD>30</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>.313</TD><TD>.371</TD><TD>.448</TD><TD>.819</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>August</TD><TD>27</TD><TD>99</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>.293</TD><TD>.377</TD><TD>.424</TD><TD>.801</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Sept/Oct</TD><TD>28</TD><TD>119</TD><TD>32</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>.269</TD><TD>.351</TD><TD>.429</TD><TD>.779</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Postseason</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.556</TD><TD>.889</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Career Batting Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD><TD class=s3>Teams</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>146</TD><TD>45</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.308</TD><TD>.373</TD><TD>.432</TD><TD>.804</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2017</TD><TD>154</TD><TD>600</TD><TD>197</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>128</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>49</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>.328</TD><TD>.388</TD><TD>.463</TD><TD>.851</TD><TD class=s3>CIN,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2018</TD><TD>157</TD><TD>633</TD><TD>191</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>119</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>74</TD><TD>52</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>.302</TD><TD>.378</TD><TD>.447</TD><TD>.826</TD><TD class=s3_2>CIN,L2</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Total</TD><TD>349</TD><TD>1379</TD><TD>433</TD><TD>65</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>36</TD><TD>178</TD><TD>276</TD><TD>152</TD><TD>166</TD><TD>114</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>.314</TD><TD>.382</TD><TD>.453</TD><TD>.835</TD><TD class=s3> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Career Minor League Batting Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2015, A</TD><TD>81</TD><TD>292</TD><TD>87</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>44</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.298</TD><TD>.410</TD><TD>.527</TD><TD>.937</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2015, AA</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>215</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>37</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.326</TD><TD>.444</TD><TD>.581</TD><TD>1.025</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2016, AAA</TD><TD>111</TD><TD>414</TD><TD>119</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>64</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>61</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.287</TD><TD>.393</TD><TD>.459</TD><TD>.852</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Career Postseason Batting Stats

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Year</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>AB</TD><TD>H</TD><TD>2B</TD><TD>3B</TD><TD>HR</TD><TD>RBI</TD><TD>R</TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>K</TD><TD>SB</TD><TD>CS</TD><TD>AVG</TD><TD>OBP</TD><TD>SLG</TD><TD>OPS</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>2017</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.087</TD><TD>.192</TD><TD>.087</TD><TD>.279</TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>2018</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.333</TD><TD>.556</TD><TD>.889</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Total</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>41</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.195</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>.293</TD><TD>.543</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Fielding Stats 2018

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Position</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>PO</TD><TD>A</TD><TD>DP</TD><TD>TC</TD><TD>E</TD><TD>PCT</TD><TD>INN</TD><TD>RANGE</TD><TD>PB</TD><TD>RSTA</TD><TD>RTO</TD><TD>RTO%</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s1_2>Centerfield</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1.000</TD><TD>7.0</TD><TD>1.29</TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR class=g><TD class=s1>Rightfield</TD><TD>152</TD><TD>147</TD><TD>323</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>333</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.994</TD><TD>1308.0</TD><TD>2.29</TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Player History

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>Drafted in 1st round, 1st overall pick, by Cincinnati in 2015...
Injured on 9/5/2015 with a Bruised Ribs, out for 1-2 weeks...
Had first career hit on 5/7/2016, off Ross Uribe (ATL)...
Hit first career homerun on 8/16/2016, off Makoto Kazuhiro (MON)...
Won Player of the Week award on 4/12/2017, hitting .448 with 1 HR, 7 RBI...
Had 6 hits with 3 RBI against Houston on 5/27/2017...
Was selected to the 2017 Allstar game...
Won Player of the Week award on 8/16/2017, hitting .500 with 0 HR, 5 RBI...
Won Player of the Week award on 4/26/2018, hitting .379 with 3 HR, 9 RBI...
Was selected to the 2018 Allstar game...
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s5>Batting Leader Boards Appearances</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s1><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s4>AVG
2017 - .328 - 3rd
</TD><TD class=s4>OBP
2017 - .388 - 10th
</TD><TD class=s4>Hits
2017 - 197 - 2nd
</TD><TD class=s4>Triples
2017 - 7 - 7th
</TD><TD class=s4>Runs
2017 - 128 - 1st
</TD></TR><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>SB
2017 - 49 - 2nd
</TD><TD class=s4> </TD><TD class=s4> </TD><TD class=s4> </TD><TD class=s4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 05:53 AM

My evaluation of OOTP6 so far....

I am now *VERY* happy that my wife is having a jewelry-making party with her girlfriends on Friday night. :D

Ragone

04-15-2004, 06:08 AM

My evaluation of OOTP6 so far....

I am now *VERY* happy that my wife is having a jewelry-making party with her girlfriends on Friday night. :D

You hinting at something.. or you just taunting us with your beta copy? :p

hehe

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 06:32 AM

You hinting at something.. or you just taunting us with your beta copy? :p

heheFirst off, let me say that I know nothing about an official release date. Markus said publicly that the game wouldn't be released "before Friday," which to me seems like he's saying, "Friday or later, but pretty soon." I am in unchartered waters here in that I have a beta version of a game, am under no NDA, with not even a "be careful about saying this or that..." from the developer of the game. I could literally say anything I want to about it. This displays both great confidence in his product and that he's decided to really trust me. Because Markus has entrusted me as such, I want to exercise my own level of restraint here in speculating about a release date. All of that being said, I'll say that though I haven't messed with every portion of the game yet (gonna do a full offseason after I finish this post, which will get me to the point of having covered all the most important bases to me), from what I've seen so far, I have a stable, fairly bug-free beta build with just a few tweaks that need to be made before it is release-ready. Of course, you never know if tweak "A" is going to create bug "B" that needs to be fixed before release...

Also, I feel that one thing is important to say to the many who aren't "from 'round here", but are reading this thread. Many people who are somewhat unfamiliar with me and with FOFC are reading this because of the link at OOTP Developments. To that group, I want to make sure y'all understand that you're *not* reading the impressions of an OOTP fan. I've been frustrated with this game for years for various reasons (so frustrated, for example, that apparently I missed the renegotiation commentary changes in one of the later patches of OOTP5 because I got to the point that I didn't care to try another patch out). Right now, there are still some things remaining that annoy me (and I've mentioned a couple of 'em already), but they are beginning to feel less significant because my worst grievance, the stats/development side of the game, appears to be much improved, and only will require minor tweaking to be pretty solid.

OK. On to my first full offseason. I'll just pick up with the more-mature universe I have now at the beginning of 2019.

Ragone

04-15-2004, 07:16 AM

well i figured the tongue smiley would show i was joking heh :) sorry skydog

Ksyrup

04-15-2004, 07:17 AM

1. WHIP needs to be somewhere on the player HTML report, besides just when a guy is in the top 10.
I had the exact same thought while reviewing the first player card I looked at from your first sim year.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 07:24 AM

well i figured the tongue smiley would show i was joking heh :) sorry skydogNo apology needed at all. I thought your post was a fair question, and worth a response. :)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 07:25 AM

Now y'all stop talking to me and let me do this offseason! ;)

Ragone

04-15-2004, 07:25 AM

course i probably headed off about 20 guests from making a account and pming you asking if it was being released tomorrow :)

Tekneek

04-15-2004, 07:27 AM

course i probably headed off about 20 guests from making a account and pming you asking if it was being released tomorrow :)

And prevented them from being converted to our way of thinking. :mad:

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 07:30 AM

course i probably headed off about 20 guests from making a account and pming you asking if it was being released tomorrow :):D

Ragone

04-15-2004, 07:31 AM

what are we? the borg? we assimliating other boards now? heh

Resistance is futile.. you will put on a wizard robe and hat

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 07:48 AM

As I'm evaluating my team's needs, I need to mention a nice thing on the interface that I think may be new (or I never noticed before, but is helpful now that I've figured it out :p): On the "pitching ratings" and "batting ratings" screens, the ratings are now color-coded. Good ratings are "colder" colors and bad ratings are "hotter" colors, as such:

80-100: Blue
60-79: Green
40-59: Yellow
20-39: Orange
0-19: Red

It is now easier to scan down the pitching staff looking for "cold" colors to find your good pitchers on the ratings screen.

spleen1015

04-15-2004, 07:57 AM

They were colored coded before, Ben. I think the fact that you rarely saw double digits didn't 'bring them out'. Now that most ratings are double digits (when using the 1-100 scale) it is more noticeable.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:02 AM

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:03 AM

OFFSEASON--PART ONE
or..."Is dat trade AI so good, it make Buc's D*** hard???!!!"

First off, I'm working with a 16-team league that is 2019. If I run across any anomalies in terms of number of players available, I also have a 30-team MLB-structured league that is at the beginning of the first offseason to work with as well.

FINANCES
Team payrolls at this juncture range from $35.07M (Detroit) to $78.45M (Chicago). The league's highest salary is $14.37M, belonging to SP Sebastian Fuster, a 32-yo with a lifetime 3.02 ERA, and a streak of 6 straight 16+ win seasons. The highest-paid position player is 1B Jack Dekker, a 38-yo wonder who leads my young league in career homers with 487, and had a .313-28-89 year last season, so he's still goin' strong. Attendance last year ranged from Detroit's dismal 654,072 to Toronto's 3,065,939. Cash on hand ranges from a low of -$5M (Florida) to the max of $10M. Only three teams have less than $10M, and Florida is the only team in the red in terms of cash on hand. Complete financial report can be found at http://www.benelou.com/ootp6/finances.html

FREE AGENCY COMMENTS
The team I'm working with, Atlanta, has a $55.99M payroll, and $15.72M available. The "Team Weaknesses" list is long: C, 1B, 3B, SS, CF, RF, RP. Here are the situations at each positions:

C: best current option is a 40/50/35 (Con/Pwr/Eye) 30-year-old 2-star guy who has never been a starter. There's also a 3.5 blue star 22-year old who could be good one day, but has never played above A-ball. Good call by the AI here.

1B: 2-star 31-year-old who was .274-22-90 last year and has a Platinum Glove, and a 5-star 24-year-old who tore up AA for half a season last year, then had a decent time at AAA for the 2nd half (.256-10-37-.716OPS). He's only a year or so away I think. I'm not sure this team should be signing a 1B. If the fact that this is listed on "weaknesses" means that if this were an AI-run team it would be going after a 1B, this is a concern.

2B: A 3.5 star 33-year old all-around stud is there: 58/96/74 ratings, 85 range, .261-36-100 last season. Good call here.

3B: Best option is a 34-year-old 52/57/56, 2.5 star guy with 76 range who has never had more than 307 AB in a season. He looks like he could be full-time in a pinch, based on his ratings, but given that there's no youngster at 3B >2 stars in the organization, I'd say it is a good call for an AI team to pursue a 3B.

SS: Rough situation here. Nothing resembling a starter. No-brainer for the AI, but it got it right.

LF: 59/67/76 29-year-old who was .272-22-103 last year with 101 walks. Good call.

CF: Hmmmm...best option is a 27-year-old who started last year. Pretty decent offensively: 69/53/45, .300-10-84-.755 OPS last year, but mediocre 46 range and 49 arm. Best prospect is a 3-star 24-yo who hasn't made it above A-ball yet. This one is debatable, and I can live with the AI wanting a new guy at CF, but I would hope that it goes after other positions with more fervor, considering the number of needs.

RF: Best option is a 36-year-old 65/20/58 2-star guy with a weak arm and decent speed. No decent prospects in the system, either. Definitely need someone else here.

SP1: 5-star 36yo, 15-10, 2.75 last year
SP2: 3-star 35yo, 10-10, 3.48 last year
SP3: 3-star 28yo, 14-12, 4.14 last year
SP4: 2-star 29yo, 9-10, 4.48 last year
SP5: 3.5 blue star 24yo, 6-9, 5.86 last year, but 75/52/43 (STU/CNT/MOV) rated right now.
SP6: 1.5-star 32yo, 9-0, 4.36 at AAA last year. Has the ratings to probably be a serviceable 4 or 5 starter in a pinch

The youngster looks like a solid candidate for the #4 slot. I personally favor strong pitching staffs and would probably try to go after another good pitcher, but I can live with the AI standing pat with this starting staff.

RP: The closer is a 4-star 34yo who looks good. 2 4.5-star righties and 2 2.5-star lefties are also in the 'pen. I could go either way on whether or not this team really needs RP help. If it were my team, I'd want at least one 3.5-ish star lefty down there, so that's pretty good.

All-in-all, I'd say the AI has done a good job evaluating weaknesses. The one concern is if it would go after a first baseman. Having done the exercise above, it is clear to me at this point is that I'd rather see how the AI handles this team in free agency rather than how well I can do. Looking at the FA screen options, there don't appear to be any major cosmetic or feature changes here. Let's look under the hood then. I set Atlanta back to AI control, and we'll run one week at a time and see who they pursue!

fantastic flying froggies

04-15-2004, 08:19 AM

That link to the financial report seems to be bad, SD.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:20 AM

Oops! That's www.benelou.com/ootp6/finances.html (http://www.benelou.com/ootp6/finances.html)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:21 AM

Dola--Now fixed in the post as well.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:31 AM

DAY 1

Heh. This is going to be a bit annoying. I have to change back and forth every day from computer-controlled to human controlled to see what offers the AI has made.

The AI makes the following offers:

SS: 5yrs, $6.32M
SP: 3yrs, $7.39M
1B: 1yr, $2.87M
CL: 4yrs, $5.49M
RF: 3yrs, $1.05M
RRP: 4yrs, $3.21M
3B: Minor league deal, but this guy COULD be good enough to get some playing time in the bigs.
C: Same

The closer offer is a concern. Yes, he is a dominant closer, but our current one is solid, and making $6.46M this coming season in the last year of his contract. Now, if the AI trades him after signing the other, better guy, then I'd be down with that.

Also, the RF offer points out an issue that has been brought up in this thread earlier. This guy is the best "RF" available, but only has 2 stars. There's another player who is listed at SS, but has 57 range in RF who could fill that need much better than the guy we've offered.

Finally, going after another good right-handed reliever makes very little sense to me. Granted, the best lefty FA MR is a 3.5-star guy, but with an offer out on a 5-star closer, we'd be looking a potentially having FOUR high-salaried right-handed relief pitchers.

Now, to be fair, this is a 16-team league, and there is always the possibility that there are too few quality guys available for the AI to make smart decisions. I'll finish up this free agency period, then do a run on my 30-team league as well.

fantastic flying froggies

04-15-2004, 08:34 AM

Just to make things clear, all those html reports are directly generated by the game, correct ?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:36 AM

Just to make things clear, all those html reports are directly generated by the game, correct ?Heck yeah. I sure don't have that technical ability! :p

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:37 AM

Jumping forward a few more days...

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:40 AM

First signing (day 5)--34yo 5-star RHRP, 4yrs, $3.46M per year--lifetime 3.83 ERA, mostly as a MR. Spent four years as a closer (2010-2013), but that's been a while.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:47 AM

Checking in with the offers at day 10, things are looking better. Leading team on some pretty logical players right now.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:52 AM

I think I saw some concern about players being claimed off of waivers...

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Tuesday 2/2/2019 :</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>New York (A): Free agent SS Cletus Fitzgerald (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/p1228.html) has been signed to a contract of $1,738,400 per year, for 4 years.
Chicago (N): Released P Adan Rosales (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/p303.html), he refused assignment off 40-man roster.
New York (A): Raleigh Frasher (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/p1328.html) has been claimed off waivers from Chicago (N).
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:56 AM

Day 11 Signing...

SS Jeffrey Wiley
1.5 stars
$444K per year (2 yrs)
45/45/45
71 spd, 57 stl, 38 instinct
51 rng, .961 fld

With Atlanta's dismal SS situation, getting this guy at this price is pretty good, as far as I can tell.

wheels

04-15-2004, 08:56 AM

Cletus Fitzgerald (file:///C:/Program%20Files/Out%20of%20the%20Park%20Developments/OOTP%206/16%20Team%20League.lg/LEAGUE_NEWS_BOX/p1228.html)

i see the names have retained their humor :)

rdomico

04-15-2004, 09:00 AM

How many rounds are you using in the amateur draft? I thought in version 5, the default of 10 was too many.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:04 AM

That was my understanding too, but I'm using default settings as much as I can. As I've mentioned before, it is fair to expect that a game should work properly and give realistic results using its default settings. User-changed settings should be for the user to tweak the game to his less-than-realistic liking.

Butter

04-15-2004, 09:09 AM

So, what sliders did you move again? Clearly, this game is best in the pre-glove and shoe era when ratings like "handlebar mustache wax" and "bunion size" were important. Without those settings, this game is unplayable.

Sorry.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:33 AM

Through no real fault of their own, Atlanta only makes the signings mentioned above, plus one other one-star SP to a minor league contract. All the good players got signed, and salaries don't seem to be out of control. The highest salary paid a FA goes to LF Benito "Hawkeye" Demiras (82/75/79), a four-time All Star who was .306-28-109 with a .913 OPS last year and 21 SB's. He received $10.70M per year for 4 years from Montreal.

On another note, one interesting thing about ratings is this, now that 1-100 ratings can be used, it is interesting to note when overall ratings are greater than talent ratings.

mauchow

04-15-2004, 09:36 AM

I noticed people were complaining about too many 30-Homer players on teams. I believe I heard that there were about 3-30 homer guys on each team. I don't remember one thing though, was this with the 16-team league, or the regular 32 team setup? If it was the 16 team league, then 3-30 homerun guys shouldn't be an odd occurence.

16x3= 48 hitters with 30 homers. Let's see what the MLB produced last year. I put in a few extra players with 28 and 29 homers. Just to stretch it out a little bit.

Rk Player, Team AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB BA OBP SLG OPS
1 J. Thome, Phi 578 111 154 30 3 47 131 0 3 111 .266 .385 .573 .958
A. Rodriguez, Tex 607 124 181 30 6 47 118 17 3 87 .298 .396 .600 .995
3 R. Sexson, Mil 606 97 165 28 2 45 124 2 3 98 .272 .379 .548 .927
B. Bonds, SF 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 7 0 148 .341 .529 .749 1.278
5 J. Lopez, Atl 457 89 150 29 3 43 109 0 1 33 .328 .378 .687 1.065
A. Pujols, StL 591 137 212 51 1 43 124 5 1 79 .359 .439 .667 1.106
7 C. Delgado, Tor 570 117 172 38 1 42 145 0 0 109 .302 .426 .593 1.019
F. Thomas, CWS 546 87 146 35 0 42 105 0 0 100 .267 .390 .562 .952
9 J. Giambi, NYY 535 97 134 25 0 41 107 2 1 129 .250 .412 .527 .939
10 S. Sosa, ChC 517 99 144 22 0 40 103 0 1 62 .279 .358 .553 .911
Rk Player, Team AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB BA OBP SLG OPS
11 J. Edmonds, StL 447 89 123 32 2 39 89 1 3 77 .275 .385 .617 1.002
G. Sheffield, Atl 576 126 190 37 2 39 132 18 4 86 .330 .419 .604 1.023
J. Bagwell, Hou 605 109 168 28 2 39 100 11 4 88 .278 .373 .524 .897
14 A. Soriano, NYY 682 114 198 36 5 38 91 35 8 38 .290 .338 .525 .863
R. Palmeiro, Tex 561 92 146 21 2 38 112 2 0 84 .260 .359 .508 .867
16 M. Ramirez, Bos 569 117 185 36 1 37 104 3 1 97 .325 .427 .587 1.014
17 A. Jones, Atl 595 101 165 28 2 36 116 4 3 53 .277 .338 .513 .851
P. Wilson, Col 600 94 169 43 1 36 141 14 7 54 .282 .343 .537 .880
19 B. Boone, Sea 622 111 183 35 5 35 117 16 3 68 .294 .366 .535 .902
20 A. Huff, TB 636 91 198 47 3 34 107 2 3 53 .311 .367 .555 .922
Rk Player, Team AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB BA OBP SLG OPS
21 T. Helton, Col 583 135 209 49 5 33 117 0 4 111 .358 .458 .630 1.088
V. Wells, Tor 678 118 215 49 5 33 117 4 1 42 .317 .359 .550 .909
23 M. Lowell, Fla 492 76 136 27 1 32 105 3 1 56 .276 .350 .530 .881
24 R. Sanders, Pit 453 74 129 27 4 31 87 15 5 38 .285 .345 .567 .913
J. Burnitz, LA/NYM 464 63 111 22 0 31 77 5 4 35 .239 .299 .487 .786
J. Guillen, Oak/Cin 485 77 151 28 2 31 86 1 3 24 .311 .359 .569 .928
D. Lee, Fla 539 91 146 31 2 31 92 21 8 88 .271 .379 .508 .888
D. Ortiz, Bos 448 79 129 39 2 31 101 0 0 58 .288 .369 .592 .961
C. Lee, CWS 623 100 181 35 1 31 113 18 4 37 .291 .331 .499 .830
30 J. Posada, NYY 481 83 135 24 0 30 101 2 4 93 .281 .405 .518 .922
Rk Player, Team AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB BA OBP SLG OPS
31 G. Anderson, Ana 638 80 201 49 4 29 116 6 3 31 .315 .345 .541 .885
D. Young, Det 562 78 167 34 7 29 85 2 1 58 .297 .372 .537 .909
M. Ordonez, CWS 606 95 192 46 3 29 99 9 5 57 .317 .380 .546 .926
E. Chavez, Oak 588 94 166 39 5 29 101 8 3 62 .282 .350 .514 .864
H. Blalock, Tex 567 89 170 33 3 29 90 2 3 44 .300 .350 .522 .872
36 J. Valentin, CWS 503 79 119 26 2 28 74 8 3 54 .237 .313 .463 .776
C. Everett, CWS/Tex 526 93 151 27 3 28 92 8 4 53 .287 .366 .510 .876
S. Rolen, StL 559 98 160 49 1 28 104 13 3 82 .286 .382 .528 .910
N. Garciaparra, Bos 658 120 198 37 13 28 105 19 5 39 .301 .345 .524 .870
T. Nixon, Bos 441 81 135 24 6 28 87 4 2 65 .306 .396 .578 .975

There are 41 players with 28 HR's or better. Okay. Now we know for sure these numbers were indeed inflated, right?!

Oh, but wait. What about the previous years when homeruns were really soaring. I found that, "IN THE YEAR 2000"(lol), that there were 47 players with 30+ homers..... And 53 with 28 or more.

So, I think it all depends really, if the league settings were on 16, or 32.

And if I remember right, the settings were on 32,but I'm too lazy to check myself.

Thoughts?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:36 AM

Drafting AI isn't a big concern to me in a baseball game, since it is such a long-term thing and much more of a crap shoot than football or basketball. I'll do the draft myself to just get a feel for how it works with the HS/College players.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:39 AM

Mauboy:

Two things...
1. an issue that caused some inflation to offensive stats (not a major inflation though, from what I've seen) is being fixed..as we speak it sounds like

2. It was the 30-team league that I uploaded earlier and people looked at. I took it down because those stats will be irrelevant when Markus finishes the next beta build.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:45 AM

Hmmmm...an immediate issue I see (unless I'm missing something) is that there's no way (other than the HTML report) to see both HS and College players at the same time. There will be times when I just want to grab the guy with the best potential, no matter how old he is. In the later rounds, I see myself almost always grabbing HS guys, but early on, I would think I could either way.

mauchow

04-15-2004, 09:46 AM

Okay, thanks.

Care to tell us the play-by-play options that you have when hitting?

Swing Away
Hit for fences?
Make Contact?
Etc.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:55 AM

As some have mentioned from screenies, the player scouting reports are VERY nice, although I must admit that they are also somewhat of a tease. They show up in a Courier-type font on the screen, just begging to be copied and pasted right onto a message board or dynasty report. :p

At this point, all HS players are listed as having had "Easy" competition. College players appear to have five different competition levels (Easy, Fair, Average, Tough, Very Tough)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:55 AM

Okay, thanks.

Care to tell us the play-by-play options that you have when hitting?

Swing Away
Hit for fences?
Make Contact?
Etc.When I get to the regular season, I'll look at what managing options are there.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:58 AM

FYI, Markus also informed this morning that there are Rule 5 Draft issues that will be fixed in the next build. When the ammy draft is at the beginning of the season, rule 5 comes right after it, just so y'all know. I'm skipping it for now. As far as the interface for it, it is quite simple and logical.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:02 AM

Spring Training appears to be pretty much the same as in the past, unless I'm missing something.

Treches

04-15-2004, 10:13 AM

I haven't focused on that area, but I believe play-by-play's options (hitting/pitching) are the same as V5.

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 10:14 AM

Yeah, it's pretty much the same as in the past, except Markus added an option for players in MP leagues to automatically FTP their spring training settings to the league's commissioner.

-Craig

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 10:19 AM

Great work so far...

A few questions:

- Is there any indication at all that AI teams are trading for youth or veterans based on team situations (contending vs. rebuilding)?

- Has the merchandising issue (that merchandising revenue never significantly changes, no matter how much market size, fan interest, attendance, etc. goes up or down) been addressed?

- Is the AI able to make good decisions when replacing injured or tired players even if there's nobody listed as a backup in the depth chart? e.g. using a LF to play RF instead of a catcher?

- Does it still auto-save every time you stop simming or quit the game, even in solo mode?

- Is there any way to set depth charts/lineups once and copy them across the board (LH/RH, DH/no DH) or do you still have to set each one four times?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:25 AM

PITCHING OPTIONS
Pitch+Normal
Pitch
Pitch Around
Intentional BB
Hold Runner
Pitch Out

DEFENSE OPTIONS
Normal
Guard Lines
Corners In
Infield In
Outfield In

OFFENSE OPTIONS
Swing Away
Bunt For Hit
Bunt For Hit
Hit & Run
Steal

There's a ticker in the upper left of the PBP screen of other games in progress, and you can grab a box score of any of those games by clicking.

Treches

04-15-2004, 10:25 AM

These I can tell you:

- Autosave is still around.
- As of now, you have to set the four lineups. However, you can create the depth charts from the lineups as well.

mauchow

04-15-2004, 10:25 AM

I'm surprised the hitting options incorporated into ITP aren't in OOTP6.

I thought for sure it would be incorporated. Oh, well! :)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:34 AM

Great work so far...

A few questions:

- Is there any indication at all that AI teams are trading for youth or veterans based on team situations (contending vs. rebuilding)?One of the beta guys can comment on that more that me. I *believe* I read that is something that they are hoping Markus can implement, but hasn't happened at this point.

- Has the merchandising issue (that merchandising revenue never significantly changes, no matter how much market size, fan interest, attendance, etc. goes up or down) been addressed?Check the financial stuff I upoaded. It varies from $9.78M to $19.99M in that league.

- Is the AI able to make good decisions when replacing injured or tired players even if there's nobody listed as a backup in the depth chart? e.g. using a LF to play RF instead of a catcher?Haven't gotten down to that level of detail yet.

- Does it still auto-save every time you stop simming or quit the game, even in solo mode?I think so, but I haven't had a probelm with that myself. I just checked, and it is taking less than 2 seconds in a 15-year-old league.

- Is there any way to set depth charts/lineups once and copy them across the board (LH/RH, DH/no DH) or do you still have to set each one four times?No way that I can tell, but there's no reason to set lineups vs. DH, is there??? ;)

johnnyshaka

04-15-2004, 10:41 AM

Ben...great job...nice to hear an unbiased opinion and, as always, you're providing pertinent info to either tease the hell out of us or to make us hate you with a passion 'cause you've got the game!!!

I look forward to reading the rest of your preview for the next day or two...thanks!!

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 10:47 AM

Check the financial stuff I upoaded. It varies from $9.78M to $19.99M in that league.OK, but I'm not talking about variance between teams. I mean variance on the same team, year-to-year.

For example, let's say Atlanta starts with the smallest market and average fan interest. If, after ten years, they've increased market size and attendance and have a 100 fan interest, does their merchandising reflect that or does it stay almost exactly the same as it was in the first year?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:49 AM

Some good news...before the regular season started, Atlanta traded some excess pitching for a starting-caliber shortstop. Then, on the first day of the regular season traded for a starting-cailber CF (parted with a SP).

Ramzavail

04-15-2004, 10:50 AM

I want to know one thing about OOTP6 - When a player gets traded or changes teams mid-season (drop,picked up) are the stats split up accordingly:

Example

2004 CHI .256 4 20
2004 NYM .210 3 10
2004 TOT .238 7 30

Sort of like a baseball card.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:56 AM

OK, but I'm not talking about variance between teams. I mean variance on the same team, year-to-year.

For example, let's say Atlanta starts with the smallest market and average fan interest. If, after ten years, they've increased market size and attendance and have a 100 fan interest, does their merchandising reflect that or does it stay almost exactly the same as it was in the first year?Ahhh....I see what you're asking. Since I'm not going to be doing much else with this version of the beta anyway, I'll go ahead and get it simming a few seasons. We have the merchandising numbers for 2019, so let's see how they are 5-10 years out.

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 10:58 AM

Great work so far...

- Is there any indication at all that AI teams are trading for youth or veterans based on team situations (contending vs. rebuilding)?

This hasn't been implemented yet, but is definitely on the radar.

-Craig

SirFozzie

04-15-2004, 11:06 AM

This hasn't been implemented yet, but is definitely on the radar.

-Craig

Whoa Whoa WHOAAAAAA..

Something as important as this, and it's not implemented this close to release? This is a VERY tough feature to code right, and the fact that it's not in and getting thoroughly tested through time prior to release has cooled my enthusiasm for the release period considerably.

:( :confused:

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 11:07 AM

This hasn't been implemented yet, but is definitely on the radar.For the release, or for a future patch?

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 11:25 AM

Suicane75

04-15-2004, 11:26 AM

cincyreds

04-15-2004, 11:28 AM

SkyDog I appreciate you doing this bro! I have been glued to this thread since it started. Very good, very helpful.

Even the constructive feedback is great to read. It will help Markus release the best and most realistic OOTP yet.

I preordered the game about 3 weeks ago, so I am getting excited about this one as well.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 11:30 AM

Can anyone address wether or not the issue of having computer generated 2B & SS with 1B power and 1B & 3B with CF speed has been addressed? Seems to me that in the past the attributes were sort of random and didn't really correlate well to the basic "feel" of Baseball. I remember some people talking about that in past versions and it really turned me off.Quick answer I can give to that one...

<TABLE class=overall><TBODY><TR><TD class=title>Past Outstanding Batter Winners
Friday, 10/1/2019</TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>Past Outstanding Batter Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2004 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: RF Jonathan Bush, C(, (553 AB, .373 AVG, 45 HR, 131 RBI, 138 R, 206 Hits, 1.184 OPS)
League 2: RF John Frasher, HOU, (559 AB, .335 AVG, 38 HR, 122 RBI, 123 R, 187 Hits, 1.048 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2005 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: LF Darron Walck, TB, (540 AB, .372 AVG, 73 HR, 165 RBI, 147 R, 201 Hits, 1.323 OPS)
League 2: 1B Terry Junker, NY, (557 AB, .339 AVG, 37 HR, 103 RBI, 110 R, 189 Hits, 1.058 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2006 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: LF Darron Walck, TB, (543 AB, .341 AVG, 52 HR, 137 RBI, 124 R, 185 Hits, 1.155 OPS)
League 2: 1B Terry Junker, HOU, (543 AB, .387 AVG, 40 HR, 115 RBI, 132 R, 210 Hits, 1.191 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2007 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: LF Darron Walck, TB, (543 AB, .376 AVG, 57 HR, 142 RBI, 144 R, 204 Hits, 1.262 OPS)
League 2: LF Markus Maston, NY, (603 AB, .300 AVG, 42 HR, 136 RBI, 122 R, 181 Hits, .959 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2008 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: LF Albert Lord, BOS, (601 AB, .349 AVG, 39 HR, 135 RBI, 135 R, 210 Hits, 1.003 OPS)
League 2: 3B Eric Gingerich, PHI, (553 AB, .356 AVG, 39 HR, 133 RBI, 122 R, 197 Hits, 1.127 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2009 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: RF Thomas Pascual, CLE, (585 AB, .308 AVG, 48 HR, 132 RBI, 114 R, 180 Hits, .999 OPS)
League 2: LF Jose Claudin, HOU, (585 AB, .345 AVG, 24 HR, 104 RBI, 98 R, 202 Hits, .922 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2010 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: RF Thomas Pascual, CLE, (517 AB, .331 AVG, 43 HR, 125 RBI, 106 R, 171 Hits, 1.055 OPS)
League 2: 1B Braulio Alvarez, NY, (537 AB, .331 AVG, 47 HR, 116 RBI, 118 R, 178 Hits, 1.089 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2011 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: LF Alvin Caperton, C(, (628 AB, .331 AVG, 53 HR, 135 RBI, 131 R, 208 Hits, 1.023 OPS)
League 2: LF Brian Kunimatsu, ATL, (579 AB, .311 AVG, 44 HR, 114 RBI, 120 R, 180 Hits, 1.021 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2012 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: RF John Frasher, NY, (561 AB, .339 AVG, 42 HR, 139 RBI, 124 R, 190 Hits, 1.052 OPS)
League 2: RF Jerome Paquette, NY, (562 AB, .324 AVG, 43 HR, 116 RBI, 102 R, 182 Hits, 1.034 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2013 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: CF Juan Ramirez, DET, (609 AB, .292 AVG, 59 HR, 168 RBI, 125 R, 178 Hits, 1.007 OPS)
League 2: RF Jerome Paquette, NY, (544 AB, .338 AVG, 45 HR, 137 RBI, 125 R, 184 Hits, 1.110 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2014 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: 2B Hipolito Castro, DET, (599 AB, .332 AVG, 57 HR, 161 RBI, 133 R, 199 Hits, 1.113 OPS)
League 2: 1B Braulio Alvarez, NY, (576 AB, .309 AVG, 37 HR, 124 RBI, 122 R, 178 Hits, .985 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2015 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: LF Brian Kunimatsu, BOS, (606 AB, .320 AVG, 44 HR, 157 RBI, 118 R, 194 Hits, .998 OPS)
League 2: 1B Jack Dekker, FLO, (540 AB, .348 AVG, 30 HR, 113 RBI, 116 R, 188 Hits, 1.098 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2016 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: 1B Timothy Pankey, CLE, (613 AB, .330 AVG, 48 HR, 136 RBI, 141 R, 202 Hits, 1.038 OPS)
League 2: 2B Christopher Mooney, C(, (562 AB, .317 AVG, 46 HR, 127 RBI, 118 R, 178 Hits, 1.040 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2017 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: RF Thomas Aparicio, TB, (597 AB, .325 AVG, 48 HR, 134 RBI, 120 R, 194 Hits, 1.046 OPS)
League 2: CF Juan Ramirez, MON, (614 AB, .331 AVG, 51 HR, 144 RBI, 122 R, 203 Hits, 1.055 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g><TD class=s5>2018 Winners</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=empty><TABLE class=s0><TBODY><TR class=g2><TD class=s4>League 1: 1B Timothy Pankey, CLE, (594 AB, .318 AVG, 43 HR, 130 RBI, 141 R, 189 Hits, 1.009 OPS)
League 2: CF Juan Ramirez, MON, (612 AB, .309 AVG, 56 HR, 127 RBI, 121 R, 189 Hits, 1.021 OPS)
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Out of the Park Developments - The place for baseball and boxing simulation games (http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/)
Out of the Park Baseball Homepage - The home of the Out of the Park Baseball Series (http://www.ootpbb.com/)I'll check more later on, but notice that the big boppers are virtually all corner infielders and outfielders.

SirFozzie

04-15-2004, 11:34 AM

And my desire for the game has now died. Oh well. So much for a improved realistic trading system.

Suicane75

04-15-2004, 11:38 AM

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 11:38 AM

Little more...

In my top 10 all-time SB list, all are 2B or OF, except one 1B, and he never was a big SB guy. Never has had more than 43 in a season, and hits for decent power (20-25 HR's). In the top 10 all-time HR list, 9 of the 10 are OF/corner IF. There is a 2B at #9, but that's it. That sounds pretty good to me.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 11:43 AM

SkyDog, I like the look of that list, although 2 48+ HR 2B worries me just a tad bit, I can live with it. Just one further question, and no need to go out and do it right away, what do the whole of the 2B & SS's in the league look like? Do the majority of them have alot of power or are there just a few with the majority being prototypical speed/defense kind of guys?That's not hard to check at all. I just did a quick look. There are some speed/defense, and some power, but definitely a variance. At first look, I'd say there are too many middle infielders with better home run power than contact hitting/speed/defense, but not to an alarming degree, either.

Suicane75

04-15-2004, 11:51 AM

Cool, thank you very much.

Terps

04-15-2004, 11:57 AM

Upstate J

04-15-2004, 12:01 PM

I haven't read any different (or if I had, I have forgotten) but, Does OOTP6 still include detailed manager profiles for the solo player. My question is focused more on the inclution of marrage status, kids, etc. This is an addition to the game that I enjoyed, despite complaints from many others.

Is there any word that? Any changes?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 12:02 PM

I'm going to be busy with some work stuff for the next several hours, so don't expect any new info. I'll be at my desk most of the time, though, so I'll be able to answer *some* questions. At this point, I'm thinking that the preview will continue with a complete HTML upload from 20ish seasons with the new build, which would be 10-12 hours after whenever I receive it.

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 12:23 PM

Nice impressions so far, thanks. I have a question about the Rule 5 draft when you mess around with that. I'll give a real MLB example here.

The Orioles took 3B Jose Bautista in the recent Rule 5 draft, from the Pirates. Now, if the Orioles don't want to keep him on the 25 man roster for the whole season (which is the rule when claiming someone from Rule 5), they either have to give him back to the Pirates, or make a trade with the Pirates for the rights to Bautista so that they can send him down to the minors. Is that in there?

Due to complexity issues on the AI side, this isn't implemented. As it stands now, if you want to take him off the 25-man roster, he must clear waivers. If he does not, and is claimed by another team, they need to keep him on the active roster for the entire year.

It was our intent to mimic the actual rules here, but it's my understanding that the additional complexity would have been overwhleming in the timeframe allowed.

-Craig

Cap Ologist

04-15-2004, 12:47 PM

Nice preview so far. I have never been into baseball, but I'm definitely getting excited about this game.

I have a couple of questions.

1. What kind of instruction manual comes with this game? I'm really hoping that this game comes with a decent manual/strategy guide of some sort. From looking at the html stuff, I have lots of questions.

If the rest of these can be found in the manual, then don't worry about answering them (unless you are just bored and feel like helping a newbie out)

2. What exactly is the Rule 5 draft?

3. What does arbitration mean?

4. How does the minor league system work?

Ok, I have lots more, but I need to go eat before class.

DanGarion

04-15-2004, 01:26 PM

I like that, it's getting there.
I would HATE to see draft picks included in the game as a standard option. But if it was a toggle option I guess I could live with it. But for a "true" MLB league they don't fit into the game.

korme

04-15-2004, 01:28 PM

Seems Markus didn't take any of the OOTP News code many of us tried to add to the game for even a OOTP5 update .. it got it's own forum, c'mon, add some of it!!

korme

04-15-2004, 01:29 PM

I would HATE to see draft picks included in the game as a standard option. But if it was a toggle option I guess I could live with it. But for a "true" MLB league they don't fit into the game.
Consider, however, all of the online leagues. Of course it should be toggleable, but if it doesn't make it in, dan, you get to run the next JBL draft and get to have fun changing around all those draft orders manually. Lucky you dan!! http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

mauchow

04-15-2004, 01:30 PM

SkyDog.... I caught this in the OOTP Forums.

Could you take one of your old OOTP5 leagues and convert it into the OOTP6 and let us know how they turn out..?

Thanks

DanGarion

04-15-2004, 01:33 PM

Stop kissing my ass, you homo.
You both suck... :) OOTP is gud!

Treches

04-15-2004, 01:40 PM

One thing to remember, guys, is that Ben does not have the final build. So there might be some stuff that's still to pop up.

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 01:45 PM

One thing to remember, guys, is that Ben does not have the final build. So there might be some stuff that's still to pop up.True, but if the final verison is coming out as early as this weekend, it's (hopefully) safe to assume that just about everything is in there.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 01:55 PM

ISiddiqui

04-15-2004, 02:03 PM

Skydog, NICE preview :). My hat is off to you; you are giving us some golden info. I'm drooling at the prospect of getting this game now :D.

johnnyshaka

04-15-2004, 02:09 PM

miked

04-15-2004, 02:19 PM

I can't really help with OOTP5 to 6 conversion. I've been playing so much FBCB and FOF2K4 that I knew there was no chance that I'd be playing any more OOTP5 before OOTP6 came out, so I took it off of my hard drive.

But all somebody would have to do is send you their league file for a v5 game and you could just import it into v6 right? I don't think you actually need the game. If you want, you can go to our league website (plenty of FOFers on there) and download the league file and convert it. I'm sure cuckoo, mckerney, cartman, rex, lynchy, and many others from here would be glad to see how their crappy players convert.

Oh yeah, shameless self-promotion. www.ootp5league.org/index2.html You can download files from menu. :D :cool:

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 02:20 PM

Oh yeah, shameless self-promotion. www.ootp5league.org/index2.html You can download files from menu. :D :cool:(Lightbulb goes off)

Um, Mike's web site has a virus on it. Use the RWBL instead!

miked

04-15-2004, 02:31 PM

Nice. But I think yours places some weird tracking cookie that keeps grabbing my credit card info. What's that about?

:cool:

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 03:03 PM

Ben,

Check your inbox - there's a new build there. Oh, and one of the new features is the ability for multiplayer leagues to "broadcast" a game on the internet. Meaning, the users of the league can log in and watch the game being played over the internet in realtime (kind of like watching the game on ESPN.com).

It's the first iteration, so it's not the most beautiful thing (yet), but it's kinda neat, especially when you think of how this could be taken further in releases down the line.

-Craig

GoSeahawks

04-15-2004, 03:05 PM

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 03:09 PM

Craig:

If I am at home or in the office, Outlook is *always* open and I receive sound notification of received e-mails. It is already installed and simming. :) I've posted the starting financials for the person who was asking how the merchandising plays out over time.

Here is that link: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?p=441715#post441715

Fonzie

04-15-2004, 03:37 PM

Craig:

If I am at home or in the office, Outlook is *always* open and I receive sound notification of received e-mails. It is already installed and simming. :)

Have to like a man who's on top of things.

Unless those things include The Afoci. :eek:

kingnebwsu

04-15-2004, 03:38 PM

Good stuff dude, keep it comin' :)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 03:39 PM

Have to like a man who's on top of things.

Unless those things include The Afoci. :eek:Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

portnoise

04-15-2004, 03:39 PM

I have another question about financial flexibility-- I'd like to be able to play with a shorter schedule than 162 games. Will the game be able to scale finances and salaries to make that work?

Tasan

04-15-2004, 04:35 PM

Could you stickie this to the top? I keep forgetting its around. Its okay SD, someone else asked for it, so you won't have to feel like you are promoting yourself ;- )

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 04:49 PM

Actually, Tasan, that makes a lot of sense. I always sticky major announcements/patches/screenies/developer chats/info about other text sims for a day or so. Not doing so for this is technically inconsistent. :p

ISiddiqui

04-15-2004, 04:54 PM

That's right! Show all these heathens that baseball deserves to be on top ;).

SackAttack

04-15-2004, 05:39 PM

LOL, no not this release :). Possibly future patch, possibly next rev. We've haven't really discussed implementation yet, so it's "on the list" as a future feature but the timeframe hasn't been finalized yet.

BTW - yes, I'd be in a panic if this was going into this release as well :) But, that's my nature...

Sorry, Craig, I gotta agree with the Foz here. That should absolutely have been in the primary release. Rule V draft and a waiver system? That's cool, and all, but that should have been a secondary concern to making sure that the trade engine especially on the sixth version is context-sensitive.

That's just sloppy planning, IMO.

Draft Dodger

04-15-2004, 05:48 PM

no wonder this thread is so damn hard to find - someone stickied the dang thing.

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 06:02 PM

Sorry, Craig, I gotta agree with the Foz here. That should absolutely have been in the primary release. Rule V draft and a waiver system? That's cool, and all, but that should have been a secondary concern to making sure that the trade engine especially on the sixth version is context-sensitive.

That's just sloppy planning, IMO.

That's fine. I only came on to the scene in December, and when Markus and I finally hooked up I mentioned to him the fact that it would be nice if the AI for opposing GM's took the team's current position into account. He mentioned to me that he had trouble with it before, quantifying exactly when a team was rebuilding, when a team was making a push for the pennant and all the variables that effect this (in modern MLB, it's all about money - the Orioles, until a couple years ago absolutely refused to rebuild - and look where it got them). When we started talking about the scope of incorporating the majority of rules in the CBA that were missing in the game, one of the things that "fell out" was this piece. So...rather than risk doing something that wasn't going to accomplish everything we wanted, he decided to take it out.

Now, when I say this could be implemented in a patch next version, etc. - it's obviously not my call. However, I do know that he and I will be meeting in the June timeframe to actually sit down and discuss some of these issues and map out the plan where he hopes to take OOTP. Again, it's his application, it's his call where he ultimately takes it.

I understand your frustration since this is the 6th release, and something as nice as this doesn't exist in the game. We're going to get there -- unfortunately it's not going to be there tomorrow -- but it will be there.

-Craig

korme

04-15-2004, 06:45 PM

I understand your frustration since this is the 6th release, and something as nice as this doesn't exist in the game. We're going to get there -- unfortunately it's not going to be there tomorrow -- but it will be there.

-Craig

CRAIG SAID IT!! THE RELEASE IS TOMORROW!! TOMORROW!! http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

GoSeahawks

04-15-2004, 06:50 PM

CRAIG SAID IT!! THE RELEASE IS TOMORROW!! TOMORROW!! http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Good eye

MizzouRah

04-15-2004, 06:58 PM

Nice to get home and read some ootp6 info!

Thanks SD!!

I am a bit disturbed by this: it would be nice if the AI for opposing GM's took the team's current position into account

Besides some more rules incorporated, is the solo CPU AI going to be more of a challenge than v5? ..and I don't mean difficulty levels. :)

Todd

Buccaneer

04-15-2004, 07:10 PM

SackAttack

04-15-2004, 07:18 PM

The Afoci

04-15-2004, 07:25 PM

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

Hey, I can read. I am a sexy man. Dogs like me.

McSweeny

04-15-2004, 07:25 PM

I dunno, it would seem like a simple IF/AND statement to me.

IF the average team age > X (where X is, I dunno, 32 years old, for the sake of argument), AND team winning % < .500, then the team goes into rebuilding mode. You might set a minimum number of games played (81, perhaps?), too, just to make sure teams don't tank after, say, a 2-4 start. It's basic mathematics, and should be easily quantifiable by the AI.

The only part of it up for debate that I can see would be what that average team age threshold should be.

Just my two cents, though.

that seems incredibly over simplified. an issue like this is far more complex and would take something more than a 'simple if/then statment' to be doen properly. There are an endless number of exceptions to the rule you just posted. I'd much rather have features be done properly and work correctly than be done halfassed just to have them in the game

SackAttack

04-15-2004, 07:40 PM

You know what I mean, though. Obviously I'm not suggesting that it's something that can (or SHOULD) be done with two lines of code, but as I mentioned this is going to be the sixth version of the game.

Surely, with six years to noodle on the problem, and something along the lines of what I suggested would at least be a place to start. If what he's having trouble with is quantifying what constitutes a rebuilding effort versus a 'go for it' effort, surely it wouldn't be terribly difficult to ultimately have statistics play a role in it.

Yeah, the team still needs to make sure that the trades it makes will be good ones in the long run (i.e. don't trade for a half-dozen potential superstar third basemen, that's just wasteful), but to not have any distinction between rebuilding and reloading after five full versions and the beta of a sixth seems troubling to me.

bigdawg2003

04-15-2004, 07:42 PM

What if the team is under .500, but in first place since the rest of the division is even worse? Standing would have to be in there somewhere.

SackAttack

04-15-2004, 07:57 PM

Sure. I'm not saying that the criteria I suggested would be perfect, or that other guidelines couldn't come into play. I just tossed up a couple of areas where such an algorithm could focus.

And again, I'm not saying that it's something that should be added at the last second here - I agree with the others who have posted on the topic who've said "Look, better not to have it at all than to have something that's broken and doesn't work right," but at the same time (and I know I sound like a broken record saying this), this is the sixth version here...

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 08:22 PM

I'd much rather have features be done properly and work correctly than be done halfassed just to have them in the gameOf course. Everyone feels that way.

However, you have to start somewhere. And here we are one the eve of version 6(!) and we still haven't seen even a basic attempt at this sort of trade AI. I remember asking for this back in v4, two years ago, and I know I wasn't the first to come up with the idea. How long does it take before we get to be frustrated?

That said, I think it's only fair to point out that as much as I'm disappointed in OOTP dropping the ball here, I can't say I've ever seen a text sim do this well. FOF doesn't. EHM didn't. I never played CM or TPF, but I never heard about them doing it.

Still, it would have been nice to see OOTP be ahead of the crowd. Ah well. Maybe v7.

MizzouRah

04-15-2004, 08:30 PM

Skydog,

What about CPU lineups? Do you see fast power hitters batting first in the lineup?

How about pitchers/players ratio, are they all 11/14? I hate that when they have medicore pitching and have to exhaust their bullpens night after night because they need to send a position player down and promote a P so they have 12 to help out the bullpen.

Also, the computer should scour the free agents daily instead of weekly. I hate having to wait a week becuase I feel like I'm cheating by getting someone who was just released. Do you see this?

Thanks,

Todd

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 08:51 PM

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 08:52 PM

You know what I mean, though. Obviously I'm not suggesting that it's something that can (or SHOULD) be done with two lines of code, but as I mentioned this is going to be the sixth version of the game.

Sack, I had the same response. I even came up with an algorithm for FB that took into account how far into the season a team was and how far behind (or ahead) 1st place they were. However, when Markus and I spoke to this he brought up some interesting points (it was a while ago, but I remember a lot of it had to do with the type of team it was - would the Yankees/Red Sox admit defeat and rebuild?). So, eventually it will have to entail a lot of different variables than just the ones I recommended.

Again, this will be in there - hopefully when Markus and I sit down we can come up with a solution that's both elegant and efficient.

-Craig

Vince

04-15-2004, 09:04 PM

Buccaneer

04-15-2004, 09:10 PM

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 09:12 PM

On top of that, wouldn't it be kind of a pain to program the actual strategy of 'rebuild mode' and 'play for now mode?' I mean, getting the computer to understand what kind of players are good for each strategy would be a pretty daunting task in and of itself.It would depend on how in-depth you wanted to be. I think we all agree that this sort of thing wouldn't be easy. I just would have liked to have seen Markus take a crack at it by now.

Besides, OOTP already has the logic to some extent, since I can set a slider to determine how much emphasis the CPU AI puts on youth vs. veterans. So the OOTP AI is already capable of the basic load up/rebuild logic, it's just not bothering to use it when it should.

Bottom line, a human GM should never be able to make a deadline deal with the first place overall team where the AI gives up it's best players for prospects.

Buccaneer

04-15-2004, 09:18 PM

Bottom line, a human GM should never be able to make a deadline deal with the first place overall team where the AI gives up it's best players for prospects.
Why? I think I may have done that, esp. if the said SP is going to be a FA. And are you telling me this has never happened in real life?

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:19 PM

I just picked a random team and checked their starting lineup:

<TABLE><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl25 style="WIDTH: 110pt; HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle width=147 height=17>NAME</TD><TD class=xl25 style="WIDTH: 29pt" align=middle width=38>CON</TD><TD class=xl25 style="WIDTH: 31pt" align=middle width=41>PWR</TD><TD class=xl25 style="WIDTH: 30pt" align=middle width=40>EYE</TD><TD class=xl25 style="WIDTH: 28pt" align=middle width=37>SPD</TD><TD class=xl24 style="WIDTH: 23pt" align=middle width=31>STL</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>3B Kent Arvin</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>65</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>79</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>54</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>37</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>21</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>RF Richard Mandujano</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>58</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>57</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>24</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>50</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>62</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>C Jose Torres</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>63</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>80</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>43</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>13</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>7</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>LF Elisa Paiva</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>63</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>55</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>52</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>52</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>17</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>RF Andrew Wilker</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>51</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>64</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>65</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>50</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>12</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>2B Derek Sperry</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>55</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>30</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>28</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>45</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>76</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>SS Arron Neer</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>59</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>31</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>18</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>66</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>86</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" align=middle height=17>CF Robert Hall</TD><TD class=xl27 align=middle x:num>57</TD><TD class=xl27 align=middle x:num>16</TD><TD class=xl27 align=middle x:num>1</TD><TD class=xl27 align=middle x:num>97</TD><TD class=xl26 align=middle x:num>82</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Maple Leafs

04-15-2004, 09:22 PM

Why? I think I may have done that, esp. if the said SP is going to be a FA. And are you telling me this has never happened in real life?Please, let's not get into the "find an extreme example from real life to justify the poor AI".

If you think that real-life teams don't consider their likelihood if contending when making a deal, then fine. We can agree to disagree and move on.

But if you agree that it's a crucial part part of any trade analysis, then it should be reflected in OOTP somehow.

MizzouRah

04-15-2004, 09:24 PM

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:26 PM

In answer to Todd's 2nd question, I have stopped the current sim on May 8th, so we're into the season. All teams have 11 pitchers, 14 batters.

Final question: Waiver claims are happening every day. FA signings are happening on Mondays only. Trades can happen on any day, it would appear.

SackAttack

04-15-2004, 09:28 PM

Sack, I had the same response. I even came up with an algorithm for FB that took into account how far into the season a team was and how far behind (or ahead) 1st place they were. However, when Markus and I spoke to this he brought up some interesting points (it was a while ago, but I remember a lot of it had to do with the type of team it was - would the Yankees/Red Sox admit defeat and rebuild?). So, eventually it will have to entail a lot of different variables than just the ones I recommended.

Again, this will be in there - hopefully when Markus and I sit down we can come up with a solution that's both elegant and efficient.

-Craig

I can accept that, but there's two things I feel like I ought to point out.

1) Everybody has to go through a rebuilding effort of some kind. The Yankees and Red Sox are just wealthy enough that they can rebuild through free agency, as opposed to rebuilding the farm system.

2) Market size is already in the game, why not make that part of the equation? Teams with large market sizes, like New York or Boston, would probably reload rather than rebuild. Teams in small markets, like Oakland, would be more likely to rebuild. There has to be a balance, of course, but here are the factors I think should go into the algorithm, ultimately:

1) Market size
2) Average team age
3) Winning percentage
3a) Games out of first (as someone pointed out, a team in a weak division might be 5 games under, but only 1 game out of the playoffs).
4) Payroll level (i.e. a team at a sustainable payroll level might be more willing to write it off as a bad year if the overall talent level is good)
4a) Pending free agents' expected salaries with regards to the sustainable payroll

That's all directly quantifiable, with the exception perhaps of 4a, from information already in the game. It's just a matter of getting the game to read it and interpret it in a consistent manner, IMO.

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:35 PM

Yikes! No speed at the top, your best pwr hitter 3rd (although one could argue - ie Pujlos/Edmonds. I'll analize more when my 2yr old gets to sleep.

Thanks,

ToddI dunno. I'm a big proponent of high OBP at the top, and the guy batting leadoff has the highest CON+EYE in the entire lineup. In a lineup that has pretty solid hitting & power in the 2-5 slots, I'd say you can afford to "give up" the RBI's of Arvin in return for having him on base more in front of four straight good hitters.

HighandOutside

04-15-2004, 09:35 PM

It appears that they do have their best OBP-guy batting first, however.

Buccaneer

04-15-2004, 09:38 PM

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:39 PM

Another team....

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BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>33</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>51</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>88</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>80</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>C Ramon Durso</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num>68</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; 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Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:41 PM

and then there are gamers like me who always put the 3rd-best OPS guy batting 8th (which I call the 'second cleanup' spot). I agree, I put my best OBP guy at 1st or 2nd spot, depending on speed. Best OPS batting 3rd and best SLG batting 4th.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

BUC JUST ADMITTED THAT HE SETS HIS OWN LINEUPS!!!!!

You micromanager. GM's don't set lineups!!! :mad:

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 09:51 PM

Craig/Other Beta Guys:

Are y'all finding that this version is significantly slower than past versions?

For those reading, don't be alarmed, we're not talking anything NEAR PureSim slow; I can sim through a month in a reasonable amount of time. However, it is slow enough that I can no longer get 30 seasons simmed overnight, which, if I recall, I was able to do with OOTP5. Last night, I was simming at an average of 30 minutes per season with a P4/2.4GHz/512MB machine. I can think of several reasons that this might be the case:

1. new engine
2. Teams are checking waiver wire every day.
3. Player development is happening every day as opposed to just once per week.

There could be other reasons, but these are things that I *know* have changed since OOTP5 and would have to slow things down some. As I said, it is nowhere near prohibitively slow for me, but slow enough to make the 100-year test league a project that will tie up your CPU for more than two days.

Buccaneer

04-15-2004, 09:54 PM

That's not micromanaging, Ben, it's making sure I field the best 8 or 11 or 5 (OOTP, FOF MP, FBCB) players I can. That's in the GM's job description. How they perform it's up to the coach. Besides, in any of these games, do you trust the AI to do this right?? Besides, hasn't it come out that I spend more time gameplanning in IHOF than most? :D :D

MizzouRah

04-15-2004, 09:56 PM

:( Bummer on all 3 questions (thanks btw). I'm not sure I should have re-ordered the game.

I put speed at the top unless he's a really bad hitter. I understand your reasoning as well, but I would have:

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at the top of the lineup to start the season, just on pure speed and stl ability alone. (I'd take the chance)

I guess what I'm saying is, all teams in ootp5 seem to fit the same style as far as how their managed (and I know you can change that manually), but I want a manager who has his own way to run the team, but also takes his teams' strenghts and weaknesses into consideration. Whoa... I'm getting a little off base here, but I seem to scratch my head when I see Cliff Floyd batting first for Chicago, OR a guy who's has terrible ratings, but is hitting .325 with 25hrs batting 8th, etc..

Since I manage all my games, I'm also wondering how different the pbp is, as well as actually managing the game? (I know SD, you're a simmer :))

Todd

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:03 PM

Todd:

But check out the second team I posted, they've got a burner batting leadoff, the way you like it. :) I'll tell you this, though. There is no *way* that CF Robert Hall bats higher than 7th on my team with a "1" in Eye rating. Just to check things, I stopped the sim a little over half-way through the season (87 games). Hall is batting .303 with 18 SB, but only has a .336 OBP. Interestingly enough, as the season has progressed, Wilker's contact is up to 53, and he's now in the leadoff slot, with a .362 OBP.

SB's are over-rated, imho.

Draft Dodger

04-15-2004, 10:06 PM

Craig/Other Beta Guys:
Are y'all finding that this version is significantly slower than past versions?

I find it to be a hair slower. And by a hair, I really mean just a barely discernable bit slower.

Buccaneer

04-15-2004, 10:10 PM

:( Bummer on all 3 questions (thanks btw). I'm not sure I should have re-ordered the game.

I put speed at the top unless he's a really bad hitter. I understand your reasoning as well, but I would have:

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at the top of the Todd
No offense Todd, but you are way off on this and to say that you have doubts about pre-ordering because the AI doesn't do something as stupid as putting a Eye=1 batter (this out of 100 remember) at leadoff??? He can't steal if he can't even get close to first base! You are a great OOTP proponent here at FOFC but I think you are letting your emotions getting the better of you.
Respectfully,
Steve

tucker342

04-15-2004, 10:11 PM

Great stuff so far Ben!:)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:12 PM

I find it to be a hair slower. And by a hair, I really mean just a barely discernable bit slower.I've changed some settings on my laptop, and can't remember how to do some things. How do I turn disable the XP antivirus stuff? I know that is supposed to speed things up in previous versions...

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:15 PM

Draft Dodger

04-15-2004, 10:16 PM

I've changed some settings on my laptop, and can't remember how to do some things. How do I turn disable the XP antivirus stuff? I know that is supposed to speed things up in previous versions...

well, the simple answer is to find them in your lower right taskbar, right click them and close them. Antivirus is indeed a big hog.

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 10:16 PM

Craig/Other Beta Guys:

Are y'all finding that this version is significantly slower than past versions?

Hard to say - I'm running a 1.8 GHz machine with 256MB RAM, Windows 2000 and I've never been able to get the game to sim more than 8-9 seasons a night. Other beta testers were able to get 30+ seasons done a night.

I was never a big simmer with OOTP5, so I really have nothing to compare it to, unfortunately.

a guy who's has terrible ratings, but is hitting .325 with 25hrs batting 8th, etc..

Remember, the AI takes performance into account now - this should happen much less frequently than in the past.

Also, from a personal standpoint regarding lineup creation: The algorithm I used in FB picked #3 and #4 first...then picked the highest OBP guy to bat 1st (with a bumpup for speed). I agree that most teams put their base stealer 1st, even if the guy can't draw a walk (Tony Womack, John Cangelosi) - but "new school" GMs and managers are seeing the value in putting a priority on OBP.

-Craig

Buccaneer

04-15-2004, 10:16 PM

It's mutual, Ben. :)

Ben E Lou

04-15-2004, 10:17 PM

well, the simple answer is to find them in your lower right taskbar, right click them and close them. Antivirus is indeed a big hog.Right, I know how to do that. Isn't there resident antivirus stuff in XP apart from my antivirus software that can be disabled though?

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 10:18 PM

I've changed some settings on my laptop, and can't remember how to do some things. How do I turn disable the XP antivirus stuff? I know that is supposed to speed things up in previous versions...

Ah, that may be the reason I'm slower than others as well - funny, I never thought of that.

Draft Dodger

04-15-2004, 10:23 PM

Right, I know how to do that. Isn't there resident antivirus stuff in XP apart from my antivirus software that can be disabled though?

there is no XP antivirus. there is an XP firewall, but I doubt that's slowing you down enough to bother with (it's also turned off by default)

there's a good site www.blackviper.com with info on all the different Windows processes that you can shut off for better performance, but, unless you are a geek, I don't recommend this (and the performance boost is probably not even going to be that noticeable).

HighandOutside

04-15-2004, 10:28 PM

I'm thinking of buying this game for the first time (I currently play DMB). I love micromanaging, so I'm definitely interested in the in-game AI. Is this something you will be checking out Sky.?? (e.g. proper use of relief pitchers etc..) Thank you very much for you fantastic updates thus far..

MizzouRah

04-15-2004, 10:34 PM

No offense Todd, but you are way off on this and to say that you have doubts about pre-ordering because the AI doesn't do something as stupid as putting a Eye=1 batter (this out of 100 remember) at leadoff??? He can't steal if he can't even get close to first base! You are a great OOTP proponent here at FOFC but I think you are letting your emotions getting the better of you.
Respectfully,
Steve
No offense taken.

I forgot about the 1-100 ratings :) , but how could a guy that fast with 57 contact have an eye rating of 1?

Maybe wanting my money back is going a tad far, I just don't see or hear anything that is making want to quit my ootp5 solo career and upgrate to v6. It's early though, and I don't even have the game. :D

Todd

Ragone

04-15-2004, 10:35 PM

I got a question.. Do you still have manager mode in ootp6? get married.. have kids who you can draft and such?

Draft Dodger

04-15-2004, 10:44 PM

I got a question.. Do you still have manager mode in ootp6? get married.. have kids who you can draft and such?

still there.
still not something I'll ever use.

CraigSca

04-15-2004, 10:48 PM

No offense taken.

I forgot about the 1-100 ratings :) , but how could a guy that fast with 57 contact have an eye rating of 1?

I don't understand - basically he's an average hitter, but he's also a big free-swinger. There are plenty of guys who fit this mold - wasn't Vince Coleman a guy who would hit about .260 every year and only rarely walk?

-Craig

MizzouRah

04-15-2004, 10:55 PM

I don't understand - basically he's an average hitter, but he's also a big free-swinger. There are plenty of guys who fit this mold - wasn't Vince Coleman a guy who would hit about .260 every year and only rarely walk?

-Craig
I was thinking Deon Sanders. :) Vince Coleman is a good one, but he stole like 100+ bases a year and was leadoff. My point, he would be my leadoff.

I see what you are saying though. When he makes contact, he has a good chance of getting on, but he k's a tad much.

I really just wanted to know if Cliff Floyd prototypes are still batting leadoff. ;) Too many times in ootp5, batting lineups make me scratch my head as well as the 11/14 problem.

Todd

FBPro

04-15-2004, 10:59 PM

RPI-Fan

04-15-2004, 11:02 PM

but how could a guy that fast with 57 contact have an eye rating of 1?
Huh?!?!!? What are you talking about? Most of the OOTP-related stuff you post has been insightful and on-base (pun intended). But this lineup thing you're whining about it just junk. There's nothing wrong with the AI's lineup decision, at all.

Plenty of reasons have been given why this decision is MORE than defensible - I really don't know why you're throwing such a fit about this.

I'm sure there are problems with the AI that actually need attention - we should be worrying about those, and not things that are already looking Ok (based on those couple of examples SD graciously posted).

DanGarion

04-15-2004, 11:54 PM

Consider, however, all of the online leagues. Of course it should be toggleable, but if it doesn't make it in, dan, you get to run the next JBL draft and get to have fun changing around all those draft orders manually. Lucky you dan!! http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
For leagues that implemented it *cough* (JBL, LABL) it would be nice. But as you will notice I will rarely if ever trade around my draft picks.

DanGarion

04-16-2004, 12:01 AM

DanGarion

04-16-2004, 12:08 AM

there is no XP antivirus. there is an XP firewall, but I doubt that's slowing you down enough to bother with (it's also turned off by default)

there's a good site www.blackviper.com with info on all the different Windows processes that you can shut off for better performance, but, unless you are a geek, I don't recommend this (and the performance boost is probably not even going to be that noticeable).
Also remember the speed of your hard drive will affect the speed of simming because the game writes so many files to your hard drive. So if you only have a 5400RPM drive it could be noticeably slower.

Gah three posts in a row that's what I get for catching up...

kingnebwsu

04-16-2004, 12:39 AM

Triple kill!...er post :)

The lineup thing is interesting. In the second lineup, there's no way I would bat that dude cleanup. But that's just me.

Hey, how about playoff results? I'd like to see the number of wins the WS champions have and how the teams with the best records do (lose in first round, LCS, or WS). Any post on this would be fantastic :)

ISiddiqui

04-16-2004, 01:22 AM

I want a manager who has his own way to run the team

Well it seems than the managers of the two teams SD has posted have two different ideas on how to run the team, at least on the lineup level.

21C

04-16-2004, 01:39 AM

Sim speed can also be improved significantly by disabling the 'Sim Minors' option.