Oh those Frenchs

[Buccaneer]

Cannes Mayor Calls in the Cops
The mayor of Cannes announced Monday that 1,000 police officers will provide security at this year's film festival, which is due to open Wednesday night and continue through May 24. "The Cannes festival is a jewel of French culture which must be protected and it cannot be hampered or destroyed by protests of any kind," Cannes Mayor Bernard Brochant declared. Festival organizers are concerned not about potential Arab terrorists but parttime actors and technicians who have already successfully disrupted several less notable film festivals to demand increased unemployment insurance coverage.
Of course you can't have protestors ruining a jewel of French culture, just like you can't have anyone in France wearing a Muslim hijab.

[sovereignstar]

Ignorant generalizing at it's best. Get it while it's cold! http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Buccaneer]

Forgot to say that it's a news item from www.imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com)

[chinaski]

just like you can't have anyone in France wearing a Muslim hijab.
Where do you get your information, Fox News? http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif


This September, headscarves, Jewish skullcaps, Sikh turbans and any other "overt religious symbols," including large Christian crosses, will be verboten in schools in the strictly secular nation.

[Buccaneer]

Ok, "...anyone in a French school (for now) wearing a Muslim hijab". But don't you think this might spread to other public places in order to keep the religious out and the secular in?

[PilotMan]

Hey, what does the French govt. have to worry about, they have washed their hands of all the wrongdoings of the west.

[fantastic flying froggies]

The mayor of Cannes doesn't give a fµck about the 'jewel of French culture '. What he does care about are the millions dollars of revenue it generates...

Right now, there is a potential risk of the festival not taking place, and it would be an economic disaster for the town and surrounding area.

As for the other comments, no comment.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Right now, there is a potential risk of the festival not taking place, and it would be an economic disaster for the town and surrounding area.
Suddenly, my interest in this otherwise non-item has picked up.

This is sounding better & better to me.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Oh, don't get your hopes up too high.
Like I said, there's too much money at stake for it not to take place...

Not that anybody actually cares...

[WussGawd]

You know, the amount of jingoism and anti-French bashing that *still* goes on at times on this board appalls me.

Just to remind you guys, based on our experiences in Iraq:

*There are French troops in Afghanistan, even today. In fact, as a combination, there are as many French and German troops there as Americans.

*I know this one's going to hurt, but here goes: If we've learned anything at all over the last two months with regard to Iraq, THE FRENCH AND GERMANS WERE RIGHT and DUBYA WAS WRONG. This war is a quagmire, there were no WMDs, and we are failing there at the moment.

Froggies, Darkiller, et al. I'm right there with you. And not all Americans go out of their way to bash the French.

As for Cannes, I view this as no different than Ashcroft sicking FBI & Cops on protesters at WTO meetings. The French have a right to protect their interests, end of story.

[Havok]

Froggies, Darkiller, et al. I'm right there with you. And not all Americans go out of their way to bash the French.



Oh get over yourself and move to Canada already.... just as many French go out of they're way to bash America, as American's go out of there way to bash the French.

[Samdari]

You know, the amount of jingoism and anti-French bashing that *still* goes on at times on this board appalls me.

Just to remind you guys, based on our experiences in Iraq:

*There are French troops in Afghanistan, even today. In fact, as a combination, there are as many French and German troops there as Americans.

*I know this one's going to hurt, but here goes: If we've learned anything at all over the last two months with regard to Iraq, THE FRENCH AND GERMANS WERE RIGHT and DUBYA WAS WRONG. This war is a quagmire, there were no WMDs, and we are failing there at the moment.

Froggies, Darkiller, et al. I'm right there with you. And not all Americans go out of their way to bash the French.

As for Cannes, I view this as no different than Ashcroft sicking FBI & Cops on protesters at WTO meetings. The French have a right to protect their interests, end of story.

I don't quite understand your meaning. Are you somehow implying it is a bad thing to bash the French?

Lighten up, Francis.

[Franklinnoble]

I don't quite understand your meaning. Are you somehow implying it is a bad thing to bash the French?

Lighten up, Francis.
You are my hero. :D

[JonInMiddleGA]

And just to remind you WussGawd

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." -- George W. Bush

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

[sovereignstar]

And just to remind you WussGawd

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." -- George W. Bush

I couldn't have said it any better myself.
http://www.quake3world.com/ubb/puke.gif

[BishopMVP]

*I know this one's going to hurt, but here goes: If we've learned anything at all over the last two months with regard to Iraq, THE FRENCH AND GERMANS WERE RIGHT and DUBYA WAS WRONG. This war is a quagmire, there were no WMDs, and we are failing there at the moment.1. It's not a quagmire. If you've paid attention to the last week, al-Sadr's militia has been a victim of attrition as we pick off members and demonstrations/killings against it in Najaf. Every other major Shiite cleric has urged him to surrender and he'll be in someone's custody within a week. We regained Fallujah. Nobody in Iraq seems outraged over Abu Ghraib (due to a tolerance from Saddam and the fact we're actually investigating and prosecuting people for it, their interactions with soldiers, a dislike of Al-Jazeera because of its pro-Saddam propaganda when he was in power, etc.) There have been a number of people preaching "Quagmire because of x," then when that is shown to be false y, then z, and it's getting a little tired.

2. They have found evidence of WMD programs, and evidence that more was smuggled into Syria while we were waiting for the UN inspectors to look around. I'd much rather we spend our time trying to figure out whether this stuff was there and where it went than pointing fingers and saying "he got it he wrong", "no he did".

3. France and especially Russia, among others, were being paid off by Saddam, showing they were even more duplicitous in their intentions than we were.

[WussGawd]

And just to remind you WussGawd

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." -- George W. Bush

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

And this is just the sort of simple-minded, anti-thought that has led us into the current mess in Iraq. If only the world were as simple to comprehend as our President is simple-minded.

[WussGawd]

1. It's not a quagmire. If you've paid attention to the last week, al-Sadr's militia has been a victim of attrition as we pick off members and demonstrations/killings against it in Najaf. Every other major Shiite cleric has urged him to surrender and he'll be in someone's custody within a week. We regained Fallujah. Nobody in Iraq seems outraged over Abu Ghraib (due to a tolerance from Saddam and the fact we're actually investigating and prosecuting people for it, their interactions with soldiers, a dislike of Al-Jazeera because of its pro-Saddam propaganda when he was in power, etc.) There have been a number of people preaching "Quagmire because of x," then when that is shown to be false y, then z, and it's getting a little tired.

2. They have found evidence of WMD programs, and evidence that more was smuggled into Syria while we were waiting for the UN inspectors to look around. I'd much rather we spend our time trying to figure out whether this stuff was there and where it went than pointing fingers and saying "he got it he wrong", "no he did".

3. France and especially Russia, among others, were being paid off by Saddam, showing they were even more duplicitous in their intentions than we were.

1. Remember the words of Ho-Chi Minh. They apply quite well to this. And don't rely on American media. There was a convoy of six Halliburton trucks destroyed yesterday. Not a word of it in the American media.

2. You of course, have evidence for this, right? Or are you just repeating the same tired Dick Cheney lies?

3. So was our Vice President. There is evidence that Halliburton was funneling tons of money through the French in defiance of UN Sanctions. But of course, you're not hearing about that either.

[ISiddiqui]

Nobody in Iraq seems outraged over Abu Ghraib

You gotta be insane to believe this.

[WussGawd]

You gotta be insane to believe this.

It's called denial. Deep denial. The wheels are coming off this cart (the Bush Administration's mismanagement of the war) so fast that the right is grasping at any straw in arm's reach.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And this is just the sort of simple-minded, anti-thought that has led us into the current mess in Iraq. If only the world were as simple to comprehend as our President is simple-minded.
And this is a fine example of what Sean Hannity very accurately describes in Deliver Us From Evil

"And if we choose to concoct excuses instead of making moral judgements, before long our sense of good and evil will disappear altogether. ... Unlike President Bush, who has personified moral clarity and vision in the War on Terro, America's liberal elite sneers at the "simplistic" notion that good and evil are legitimate concepts in our society. The mock the president for seeing the world in such starkly black and white terms, and impugn his Christian faith for inspiring the thought. They've even convinced themselves that Bush's moral compass is a dangerous instrument ... "

Only thing it seems Hannity misstated a bit was limiting his astute observations to the "liberal elite".http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[WussGawd]

And this is a fine example of what Sean Hannity very accurately describes in Deliver Us From Evil

"And if we choose to concoct excuses instead of making moral judgements, before long our sense of good and evil will disappear altogether. ... Unlike President Bush, who has personified moral clarity and vision in the War on Terro, America's liberal elite sneers at the "simplistic" notion that good and evil are legitimate concepts in our society. The mock the president for seeing the world in such starkly black and white terms, and impugn his Christian faith for inspiring the thought. They've even convinced themselves that Bush's moral compass is a dangerous instrument ... "

Only thing it seems Hannity misstated a bit was limiting his astute observations to the "liberal elite".http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

The world is not black and white. Right now, I can assure you that a lot of generally good Iraqis and Arabs, courtesy of Abu Ghraib think that those poor prison guards and Dubya are evil.

The problem with using good and evil exclusively as a yardstick for solving the world's problems is that both are very much in the eye of the beholder. There is the devil and the angel in us all. This is something that creeps like Hannity conveniently fail to mention.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The world is not black and white.
See previous post.

[WussGawd]

See previous post.

What a wonderfully blissful life you must lead to be so free of any form of critical thinking. :rolleyes:

I think I've proven my point. In fact, I know I have.

[BishopMVP]

1. Remember the words of Ho-Chi Minh. They apply quite well to this.Which ones in particular? He said a lot of things. And don't rely on American media. There was a convoy of six Halliburton trucks destroyed yesterday. Not a word of it in the American media.Trust me, I don't rely on American media. I get pretty much all of my information off the internet, check MEMRI etc. often. I don't trust them as much though. Our media has shown no hesitation to publish anything bad regarding America, and al-Jazeera, to name the most prominent one, has consistently made up lies and exaggerated things, so I'd take it with a grain of salt if it isn't reported by the AP or Reuters.

Of course, since you're bringing up Vietnam I suspect we'll have very different viewpoints. I'm guessing you believe we lost South Vietnam because we lost the will of the people and were fighting a popular indigenous guerrila movement. And that it was a good day for the US when we pulled out. But that's a much longer topic.2. You of course, have evidence for this, right? Or are you just repeating the same tired Dick Cheney lies?If you read the full text of the reports from the weapons inspectors, and their comments, evidence for both those statements are there. Don't rely on Big Media. And there is also a hell of a lot of unverified accusations and allegations being thrown around by defectors, captured terrorists, etc. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire, especially when you can't figure out a reason a person would gain from what they are saying.3. So was our Vice President. There is evidence that Halliburton was funneling tons of money through the French in defiance of UN Sanctions. But of course, you're not hearing about that either.I'm sure the ANSWER/Moveon.org/Michael Moore crowd would LOVE that if there was any evidence whatsoever, so I'm surprised I've never heard anything about it. If it is true at all, that would be a very big story, and I'd love to hear about it. Considering the plethora of evidence available on UNSCAM, it's rather shocking to see no major papers/TV stations pursuing the story.

[BishopMVP]

You gotta be insane to believe this.Nobody is an exaggeration, but the general feeling among Iraqis has been indifference. The most recent large scale anti-American demonstration was after one of the Hamas leaders was killed. The only demonstration in the last couple days was in Najaf - to protest against al-Sadr and urge him to leave. Where is the media on that story after they hyped him and Fallujah up as a widespread resistance and uprising against the CPA? Read some Iraqi blogs, read the letters sent from soldiers over there, look at the polls taken. This will give you a much better idea of what is going on than watching CNN/FoxNews or reading the NYT/WSJ.

[Tigercat]

And this is a fine example of what Sean Hannity very accurately describes in Deliver Us From Evil

"And if we choose to concoct excuses instead of making moral judgements, before long our sense of good and evil will disappear altogether. ... Unlike President Bush, who has personified moral clarity and vision in the War on Terro, America's liberal elite sneers at the "simplistic" notion that good and evil are legitimate concepts in our society. The mock the president for seeing the world in such starkly black and white terms, and impugn his Christian faith for inspiring the thought. They've even convinced themselves that Bush's moral compass is a dangerous instrument ... "

Only thing it seems Hannity misstated a bit was limiting his astute observations to the "liberal elite".http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

If the administration wanted to take a moral stand we would trust that Democracy would find a way to build Iraq into the kind of nation that the Iraqis could be proud of, and we would quit worrying if it is our kind of Democracy or if the inner security of that nation is to our liking.

Hell, it took 70+ years before Democratic America was able to abolish slavery. But the point is, we were able to solve that problem on our own, all be it in a very costly way, and we are a stronger nation for it.

The only clear moral stand we can make here is helping establish a government that is democratic and respects human rights, and we could have done that months ago. I too would like that the Curds in Iraq get a voice and that Iraq has inner security, but even if it would be more difficult for the Iraqis to do this without our current level of support, at least they would be stronger by doing so own their own.

So why the hell are we still babying Iraq? Because we are as, or perhaps more, worried about U.S. interests as we are about taking a moral stand for the good of another nation. Worrying about U.S. interersts is all well and good until it is involved in the decisions over a nation that we invaded.

Oh and if the war on terrorism is such a clear moral issue, why wasn't it clear that it was morally right before 9/11? If it takes thousands of people to wake up ones sense of morally right.......

[NevStar]

Lighten up, Francis.

This line made me giggle uncontrollably & I don't know why. I am going to have to steal it. Sorry.

[sterlingice]

I don't quite understand your meaning. Are you somehow implying it is a bad thing to bash the French?

Lighten up, Francis.
That's good stuff. :D


Which ones in particular? He said a lot of things. Trust me, I don't rely on American media. I get pretty much all of my information off the internet, check MEMRI etc. often. I don't trust them as much though. Our media has shown no hesitation to publish anything bad regarding America, and al-Jazeera, to name the most prominent one, has consistently made up lies and exaggerated things, so I'd take it with a grain of salt if it isn't reported by the AP or Reuters.
Not to threadjack but it's long since been done so where's the harm in piling on a little more. Where are good news sites outside the US. There's the BBC and... and... and... I think the news site I visit second most outside the US and while there are some interesting nuggets of foreign policy, it seems written like a high school newspaper at times and the useful stories are inbetween the conspiracy theories and UFO stories that they love to print. I like having the addition perspectives but where can I find any (in English)?

SI