Did Americans kill Nicholas Berg?

[Cecil Fielder]

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html

[Ksyrup]

Give me a break. You can get that chair at any Baghdad Wal-Mart.

[Cecil Fielder]

you're ignoring the other evidence presented as well, though.

[Ksyrup]

I'm sorry, I believe we have differing views on what the word "evidence" means.

[Maple Leafs]

This is what a REAL terroris look like... Notice the thin brown hands Glad he cleared that up.

[sabotai]

Holy shit a white chair! There's only one white chair in the world! We did it! We killed Berg!

[sachmo71]

All crimes can be traced back to the Lowe's Home & Garden Shoppe.

[wig]

Is that you. NoMyths?

[The_herd]

Dammit, Lowe's told me I bought their only white lawn chair.

[Maple Leafs]

My favorite of the user comments that follow the article:

Man, that damned chair gets around. Last week, I saw it on a National Geographic TV program: a monk was sitting on it in a cave in Tibet, where they were restoring 16th century Bhuddist frescoes. Last year, it was on my aunt's front porch in Buffalo.

[samifan24]

Wow. "Evidence," indeed. :rolleyes:

[Draft Dodger]

people love to manufacture conspiracies. Remember the French idiots who had "proof" that the Pentagon 911 crash was staged?

BTW, I used to have 2 of those chairs, but they are missing. I wonder...

[Cecil Fielder]

i'm not saying that i agree with this guy, i just think it's another interesting twist on a huge news story that seem to get weirder by the day...

[HornedFrog Purple]

fools... its obvious since President Bush and John Kerry are 355th cousins they made contact with the Illuminati to construct the face on Mars which when enhanced, inverted, and disassembled into 3.16 million pieces and then reassembled using an anti-gravity flux capacitor found in the wreckage of Roswell but only on 10/10/2010 shows the face of Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Fonzie]

Wow. That there's a big ol' pantsload.

[Fonzie]

Dola -

I meant the original link up above, not HFP's post. The latter is probably on to something.

[BishopMVP]

Of course not. Mossad doesn't have Americans carrying out its dirty work. :rolleyes:

[Draft Dodger]

fools... its obvious since President Bush and John Kerry are 355th cousins they made contact with the Illuminati to construct the face on Mars which when enhanced, inverted, and disassembled into 3.16 million pieces and then reassembled using an anti-gravity flux capacitor found in the wreckage of Roswell but only on 10/10/2010 shows the face of Lee Harvey Oswald.

not a bad plan, but you've made a fatal error, of course.

the Mars landing was faked. EVERYONE knows that.
:cool:

[SFL Cat]

The left will have to try a lot harder than that if they want to come up with conspiracies as convincing as Vince Foster's murde....er.....suicide.

[Maple Leafs]

i'm not saying that i agree with this guy, i just think it's another interesting twist on a huge news story that seem to get weirder by the day...Not trying to beat you up, but I don't think there's really anything "interesting" about some crackpot trying to create a conspiracy theory out of an innocent man's brutal murder.

[Leonidas]

Let's see, Kerry, Bush, and Clinton all went to Yale. If someone can prove Berg ever visited the state of Connecticut the circle shall be complete.

[Desnudo]

That is the same chair they found at the school depository after JFK was shot. Even though the Warren Commission concluded that there was no way that Lee Harvey Oswald could have gotten the shots off sitting down.

[MizzouRah]

I heard on the radio today there was no blood when Mr Berg was be-headed. I haven't seen the video, but that's peculiar in itself.


Todd

[JeeberD]

I've seen that same chair at my sister's house before!!!

I always knew that my brother-in-law was a shady character...

[GoldenEagle]

Did anyone read the comments? They are the funniest part. People actually believe this guy. Incredibile.

[GoldenEagle]

Dola - I said to myself this guy is cucko.

When I scrolled down Cucko was viewing the thread. Man, this thing gets more and more strange by the hour.

[EagleFan]

Oh my God!!!!! My mom has 4 of those chairs on her porch. Why did you do it mom?!?! WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Taur]

Here is what I don't understand. The first and last pictures. The first picture is of Americans (CIA?) standing around at the prison. The last picture is of American Marines? leading a prisoneer off. Just why are these pictures relevant to this article???

Anyway, any chance this is a simple case of "The tail wagging the Dog"? Could this of been an elaborite hoax put out by the CIA? Exactly, why was he detained by the police? Life in a foreign prison or this elaborite hoax and a new identity.

I would love to see the complete unedited video.

[jetpunk2000]

Here is what I don't understand. The first and last pictures. The first picture is of Americans (CIA?) standing around at the prison. The last picture is of American Marines? leading a prisoneer off. Just why are these pictures relevant to this article???

Anyway, any chance this is a simple case of "The tail wagging the Dog"? Could this of been an elaborite hoax put out by the CIA? Exactly, why was he detained by the police? Life in a foreign prison or this elaborite hoax and a new identity.

I would love to see the complete unedited video.
I believe the first pic is supposed to draw some link between the terrorists and the five people in the picture, as well as showcase the "rare" chair. The last pic is showing that one of a kind orange jumpsuit that the prisoner is wearing...which WOW is the same one Berg had on. :eek:

[Ksyrup]

I heard on the radio today there was no blood when Mr Berg was be-headed. I haven't seen the video, but that's peculiar in itself.


Todd
I haven't seen the video either, but from what I've read, I believe the terrorists manipulated the video to make it appear as if it all happened in real-time, when in fact, he was alive during the first part of the taping and they spliced in footage of him beling "killed" when he may have already been dead, including holding the head up. Like I said, I haven't seen it, but if it's true that there is screaming after his head was severed, that's the most likely conclusion in my mind, not that Americans did it as part of some conspiracy to get the country back in pro-war mode. I'll need more than white chairs and "those guys have American body language" to convince me of that.

[CraigSca]

I'm not a believer in big government, but I highly doubt George Bush and the CIA are in a chat room exchanging ideas like killing one of our own to make the U.S. pro-war.

Anyone else read the rest of the posts in that forum? They pretty much scare the hell out of me. The one with the song lyrics about how we all have to be human, respect each other, etc., etc. really hit it for me. As if we can send an email to Al Quaeda and ask them nicely to please stop the centuries of hate. Do people really think it's that simple?

[MizzouRah]

I haven't seen the video either, but from what I've read, I believe the terrorists manipulated the video to make it appear as if it all happened in real-time, when in fact, he was alive during the first part of the taping and they spliced in footage of him beling "killed" when he may have already been dead, including holding the head up. Like I said, I haven't seen it, but if it's true that there is screaming after his head was severed, that's the most likely conclusion in my mind, not that Americans did it as part of some conspiracy to get the country back in pro-war mode. I'll need more than white chairs and "those guys have American body language" to convince me of that.
Yeah, you're probably right.


Todd

[Arles]

Even though I don't know that any of this matters, I have a slightly different take after watching the video. In the video, Berg pretty much lays motionless while they are doing the horendous act. Now, I don't know about you, but if some crazed terrorist brandished a blunt knife at me I would be flailing like crazy to try and get out of there (even if it would have been impossible).

Therefore, the most likely theory is that they filmed the first part with him alive then stopped the camera. Next, they recorded the audio of him screaming as they really did kill him (my guess is slit his throat - which is almost as vile). Then, they recorded the head coward sawing off his head after Nick was already dead. That would explain the oddities of the video (fact that the screaming starts too soon, blood thing mentioned here).

At any rate, it's just as gruesome and once again shows the only language these barbarians understand is that of violence. I also don't see any possible reason for the US to do this. In this day and age of leaks and the internet, it would eventually come out. And something like this would destroy the entire administration in a second. If the government wanted to deceive the people to get them to support the war (and I'm not saying that would even consider it - just following this odd logic), it would make more sense to somehow plant WMDs than do something as crazy as this.

[Maple Leafs]

So just that we're clear, we know that the guys in the background are American because:

1.) They're light-skinned. All terrorists are brown. And not just light brown, but dark, "really not white at all" brown.

2.) They're kind of tubby. Terrorists, like all Arabs, are starving to death and are never fat. Americans, of course, are always fat, especially those in the military.

3.) They're wearing tennis shoes which aren't sand-stained. Terrorists, like all Arabs, do not live in cities but rather spend their days riding camels through the desert.

Did I cover it all?

[nfg22]

Nope

4. The had the bullet proof vests on that only american soldiers are allowed to wear

[nfg22]

Dola-

Can someone link the berg video I wanna see it. I cant find a site on yahoo that isnt blocked. only two show up and they are like rotten.com and some other sicko site and my school doesnt allow those.

[Maple Leafs]

4. The had the bullet proof vests on that only american soldiers are allowed to wearTrue. God knows there's nobody shooting at the terrorists.

[Cuckoo]

Dola - I said to myself this guy is cucko.

When I scrolled down Cucko was viewing the thread. Man, this thing gets more and more strange by the hour.


:eek: The conspiracy continues... :D

[nfg22]

Cuckoo you did it!!!!!!!!! Did alqueida reimburse you for the chair?

[Cuckoo]

Cuckoo you did it!!!!!!!!! Did alqueida reimburse you for the chair?


Wal-Mart's in on it too. They donated the chairs! :eek:

[nfg22]

Ugh....another corporate scandal, they donate the chair then mark it as a sale just to boost stock... this so disgusts me that Wal Mart is a stock booster too...

[Glengoyne]

Hey Cecil Didn't I tell you to change your handle to Michael Moore? Comeon now, it would really help us better categorize yours posts.

[The_herd]

Nope

4. The had the bullet proof vests on that only american soldiers are allowed to wear

The guy is stupid (goes without saying). They aren't even bullet proof vests. They are freakin' LCEs. American soldiers don't even wear bullet proof vests in combat zones, they wear body armor, which looks nothing like what is seen in the video.

His entire article is based on assumptions and ignorance and I'm sorry that he actually believes this himself. The fact that other people believe it is another story altogether.

[sachmo71]

So just that we're clear, we know that the guys in the background are American because:

1.) They're light-skinned. All terrorists are brown. And not just light brown, but dark, "really not white at all" brown.

2.) They're kind of tubby. Terrorists, like all Arabs, are starving to death and are never fat. Americans, of course, are always fat, especially those in the military.

3.) They're wearing tennis shoes which aren't sand-stained. Terrorists, like all Arabs, do not live in cities but rather spend their days riding camels through the desert.

Did I cover it all?


1. Irish terrorists are white. As are the French.

2. http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/03/02/international/11shaikh.jpg <========Not skinny

3. I thought they wore camoflagued shoes. Because they are so hard to find. And to sneak up on people, and stuff.

[Taur]

Could someone please expain to me why Berg is in a Prison Jumpsuit?

I have never seen a terrorist issue prison jumpsuits to their hostages! Never, Never, Never. Usually thier clothes look as beat up as they do.

[Chubby]

Could someone please expain to me why Berg is in a Prison Jumpsuit?

I have never seen a terrorist issue prison jumpsuits to their hostages! Never, Never, Never. Usually thier clothes look as beat up as they do.

I guess because he was being symbolized as a prisoner at the prison.

[nfg22]

Because they are showing a link between us putting him in jail with "our" jail suits and such.

[nfg22]

Bush also killed MLK so he could be easier re elected.

[Taur]

I guess because he was being symbolized as a prisoner at the prison.
I don't understand. I never heard the Iraqi's who were holding Berg claim that they were at the Prison.

The idea that all this was done at the prison and some huge plot to gain support for the war and the President; started after the video was released.

[Taur]

not a bad plan, but you've made a fatal error, of course.

the Mars landing was faked. EVERYONE knows that.
:cool:
Actually, the Moon landing photos were fake! :D