Johnson & Johnson

[Fritz]

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryk.htm

[Ksyrup]

Stupid...

Still, someone needs to photoshop one or more of those pictures with the "I'd Hit It!" caption.

[duckman]

I think it's romantic! :rolleyes:

[VPI97]

It's like Bill and Hillary...only this time with more affection.

[Swaggs]

It needs romantic background music.

[NoMyths]

:rolleyes:

[Cuckoo]

:rolleyes:

I'm aware of your intense political allegiances, NoMyths, but how in the world can you give the rollie eyes at this. Even you can't deny this is funny.


:D

[rkmsuf]

no I think he can deny it

[NoMyths]

I'm aware of your intense political allegiances, NoMyths, but how in the world can you give the rollie eyes at this. Even you can't deny this is funny.


:DNothing to do with my political allegiances, actually (esp. as I don't really have a political allegiance--as I've probably stated before, I'm a registered Independent). I'm actually giving the rolleyes to the way Drudge is playing to the homophobic crowd. This is a total non-story, and yet it was his headline yesterday. I wouldn't mind it as much if it were played off simply for humor, but there is a more blatant element that is disgusting. Especially when there are bigger news stories afoot. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/09/senate.intelligence/index.html)

[rkmsuf]

see

[Fritz]

said new story was linked on drudge as well.

FWIW, the original title of this thread was "Why NoMyths will Vote for Kerry."

[MrBug708]

The homophobe crowd? Are you for real?

[Cuckoo]

I had a long response typed up, but then I realized that NoMyths just claimed he doesn't have political allegiances. There's just really no point in discussing it.

[Cuckoo]

see

touche'

[VPI97]

I don't really have a political allegiancelol

[rkmsuf]

He's on record as being on "America's side"

[Ksyrup]

If it's being played up like a news story, it really is stupid. But from a Daily Show-type perspective, it's funny. If NoMyths can't see that, then that confirms he has no sense of humor. And since he's obviously voting for Kerry, I'm shocked that that is the case. :p

[NoMyths]

Bug: I am for real. That is not to say that I'm claiming all conservatives or right-wingers or necessarily anyone around here is a homophobe...but when your lead story is about how a Presidential candidate can't keep his hands off his Vice-Presidential candidate, it rings the anti-homo bell.

Cuckoo: What allegiance do I have? I'm furious that the current administration is mishandling the country in exactly the ways that I and many others warned they would do. If Kerry is elected and screws up, I'm going to be going after him as well.

Fritz: Yeah, in the column of other 10-point news stories.

It's ridiculous to me that on the day when exactly what I and others warned everyone around here was happening in the buildup to the Iraq war--namely, that the intelligence was bad and we were being rushed into battle for other reasons--this would be the story you'd choose to defend. It doesn't surprise me, but it is ridiculous. While it is completely obvious that some of you are willingly mislead, it makes it no less shameful. Look at the history of my posts: what have I posted that hasn't ended up being an accurate depiction of the mismanagement of our country? The history of my political life on this forum has been to warn people about the very things that we keep finding out are true, week after week.

It makes me sad as well that I continue to hold out hope that enough Americans, who went along with the administration because they believed it was working in their best interests, will come to their senses. But it's evident now that there are many--exemplified by some around here--who have their share of the blame for this mess. I've shied away from making that statement before. I won't anymore.

[NoMyths]

And dola, since this says what I'm trying to say in a less irritated way: Senate Intelligence Committee Documents Iraq Intelligence Failures (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/09/senate.intel.ap/index.html)

[cuervo72]

it rings the anti-homo bell.

Cowbell?

[Fritz]

I wonder if the Anti-Homo bell goes DING!, or if it tinkles.

[Ksyrup]

Wasn't intelligence bad going back to the early 90's? Clinton was operating under the same apparent misconception that Saddam had WMD back then. And before that, we had actual evidence that he used nerve gas on the Kurds.

But in your eyes, this is only a Bush Administration failure, right? Nevermind the fact that the entire world has been operating on less-than-reliable information for over a decade.

[rkmsuf]

I wonder if the Anti-Homo bell goes DING!, or if it tinkles.

that's funny :)

[Cuckoo]

Are you scared of heights up on that horse, NoMyths? Why don't you come off it.

[Fritz]

how about the intel stuff being posted in the intel thread. this is all about the Dems sucking cock

[rkmsuf]

what's the beef here. it's clearly a joke. Is anyone claiming anything serious about their orientation? geez

[cuervo72]

I wonder if the Anti-Homo bell goes DING!, or if it tinkles.

Tried my damndest to come up with a Charles Nelson Reilly joke here...but I got nothing.

[Ksyrup]

All of us conservatives are going to have a big laugh about this, then go circle-jerk afterwards.

[Fritz]

Tried my damndest to come up with a Charles Nelson Reilly joke here...but I got nothing.


Start with Gene Rayburn and work from there

[Franklinnoble]

The Ladies' Man recommends that Kerry and Edwards try doing it in the butt.

[NoMyths]

And then back to the "early 90s, Clinton" argument. Yeah, he may have thought he had him. What he decided to do about it (hint: not send in a 130,000-strong invasion force) evidently kept him from getting any of the chemical or nuclear weapons we were threatened with by the current administration. The argument that I and others made before the war was that we needed to take the time to let the inspection process play out and look for a better solution to the situation than sending our troops into the Middle East for bad reasons. As I have also said, it may have later proven necessary to send in the troops...for better reasons. Instead, the administration threatened us with WMD that didn't exist.

[Fritz]

GET THE INTEL STUFF OFFA MY THREAD ~ James Brown

[rkmsuf]

Frank said, "Everytime I see that Democratic team on the tv they've got their hands all over each other. Maybe their campaign slogan should be KERRY/EDWARDS, WE'RE ALL OVER AMERICA'S blank"

[NoMyths]

You got it. I'm gonna go drink a bottle of Night Train now and set fire to my couch.

[GrantDawg]

You got it. I'm gonna go drink a bottle of Night Train now and set fire to my couch.

"IT FEELS GOOD"

[MrBug708]

Bug: I am for real. That is not to say that I'm claiming all conservatives or right-wingers or necessarily anyone around here is a homophobe...but when your lead story is about how a Presidential candidate can't keep his hands off his Vice-Presidential candidate, it rings the anti-homo bell.


And here I thought liking Dick made you gay, not hugging another man :D

[Glengoyne]

...

It's ridiculous to me that on the day when exactly what I and others warned everyone around here was happening in the buildup to the Iraq war--namely, that the intelligence was bad and we were being rushed into battle for other reasons...


I call bullshit. Very few of those opposing the war had the correct hole card for criticising the invasion. Mostly it was "Wait Wait" or "Not without the U.N.". Next to no one was saying that the intel was incorrect. There were a number of signs leading up to war that indicated that the Iraqi's had WMDs. Not all of them were intelligence related. Some were pretty straight forward logical interpretations. They are impeding the inspectors work with fake traffic accidents and the like, they wouldn't be doing that if there was nothing to hide. Even Hans "We don't know if they have WMD" Blix said that they hadn't even come to the fundamental conclusion that they needed to disarm.

More interestingly I'm wondering if you still maintain that Bush and company were lying about the WMD before the war? I mean if you are now saying it was obvious they were given bad intel, how is it lying to act on intelligence you are supposed to be able to count on?

[duckman]

I heart Glengoyne.

[Glengoyne]

I heart Glengoyne.
I don't really have a political allegience either, so I am down with that.;)

[digamma]

Isn't there speculation that Drudge, himself, is gay?

[dawgfan]

I call bullshit. Very few of those opposing the war had the correct hole card for criticising the invasion. Mostly it was "Wait Wait" or "Not without the U.N.". Next to no one was saying that the intel was incorrect. There were a number of signs leading up to war that indicated that the Iraqi's had WMDs. Not all of them were intelligence related. Some were pretty straight forward logical interpretations. They are impeding the inspectors work with fake traffic accidents and the like, they wouldn't be doing that if there was nothing to hide. Even Hans "We don't know if they have WMD" Blix said that they hadn't even come to the fundamental conclusion that they needed to disarm.

More interestingly I'm wondering if you still maintain that Bush and company were lying about the WMD before the war? I mean if you are now saying it was obvious they were given bad intel, how is it lying to act on intelligence you are supposed to be able to count on?

I call bullshit on your bullshit. Some of us were listening to people like Scott Ritter that were skeptical about whether Iraq really had any WMD's - hence why many of us supported continued UN inspection monitoring.

[rexallllsc]

Edwards looks kinda uncomf. with the whole touching. This one is weird:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040707/capt.sge.lhh88.070704213631.photo01.default-278x382.jpg

[Ksyrup]

Edwards looks kinda uncomf. with the hole touching.

Wouldn't you be?

[Glengoyne]

I call bullshit on your bullshit. Some of us were listening to people like Scott Ritter that were skeptical about whether Iraq really had any WMD's - hence why many of us supported continued UN inspection monitoring.
Not a lot of people were listening to Ritter. He had pretty well discredited himself by accepting a big chunk of money from Pro-Saddam Iraqi expatriates. Yes looking back now, I think the things he said when he stood before the Iraqi parliament, seem to have come to fruition. He said that if we invaded, we would find them almost completely disarmed. If he hadn't been in Saddam's pocket, his voice would have had more credibility.

[rexallllsc]

Not a lot of people were listening to Ritter. He had pretty well discredited himself by accepting a big chunk of money from Pro-Saddam Iraqi expatriates. Yes looking back now, I think the things he said when he stood before the Iraqi parliament, seem to have come to fruition. He said that if we invaded, we would find them almost completely disarmed. If he hadn't been in Saddam's pocket, his voice would have had more credibility.

Not only that, but if he didn't testify before the Senate that Iraq had massive weapons, and could have their Nuclear Arms program going w.in 6 months, that Iraq was a threat, etc. only months earlier...he mightve had cred.

[dawgfan]

Regarding Ritter - yes, the connections he had to Iraq discredited him in many eyes, and the fact he admitted it would've been possible for Iraq to have re-started their nuclear weapons push showed he wasn't absolute on the possibility Iraq had no WMD.

That said, if you were listening to his reasoning for doubting Iraq and WMD, he was quite compelling. Based on the intelligence data we had, especially satellite photos, he found it extremely hard to believe that Iraq could've been surreptitiously constructing weapons programs out of sight of investigators out in the desert without it being extremlely obvious through satellite photography, not to mention the extreme cost necessary to create such "hidden" sites.

[Franklinnoble]

You know, they do make kind of a cute couple...

[EagleFan]

Hey NoMyths, your hypocracy is showing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You post an inflamatory post about Bush and later claim it a joke, attempting to take the high road of 'doesn't anyone have a sense of humor'. Yet now when something that is kind of funny pops up about 'your man', without even being inflamatory, you do such a 180 that you probably gave yourself a wedgy.

[panerd]

Hey NoMyths, your hypocracy is showing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You post an inflamatory post about Bush and later claim it a joke, attempting to take the high road of 'doesn't anyone have a sense of humor'. Yet now when something that is kind of funny pops up about 'your man', without even being inflamatory, you do such a 180 that you probably gave yourself a wedgy.

But it's not even kind of funny. Just like "provocative" pictures of Bush with Chaney wouldn't even be remotely funny. It's sad that people find this amusing (and not even from a offensive to homosexuals standpoint but from an offensive to comedy standpoint)

[Ksyrup]

Thank you for telling us all what funny should be. Before I go see my next movie, I'll make sure to ask you whether I should laugh at it or not.

[panerd]

Quote from earlier in the thread...
Stupid...

Still, someone needs to photoshop one or more of those pictures with the "I'd Hit It!" caption.


Thank you for telling us all what funny should be. Before I go see my next movie, I'll make sure to ask you whether I should laugh at it or not.

And I will ask you whether the movie is stupid or not. Only you are enititled to an opinion apperently (and to make unfunny comments).

[VPI97]

http://www.fof-ihof.com/upload/VPI97/thecutecouple.jpg

[Cuckoo]

http://www.fof-ihof.com/upload/VPI97/thecutecouple.jpg


Now, that's comedy... regardless of what panerd tells me.

:D

[EagleFan]

http://www.fof-ihof.com/upload/VPI97/thecutecouple.jpg


lol :D

[Bubba Wheels]

I call bullshit on your bullshit. Some of us were listening to people like Scott Ritter that were skeptical about whether Iraq really had any WMD's - hence why many of us supported continued UN inspection monitoring.

You use Scott Ritter as a source? The man admittedly took money from Saddam himself to make a movie defending Iraq and you still think he has any credibilty? I don't use this one often, usually its a cheap copout for those out of any further intellectual argument, but it fits this time... :rolleyes:

[dawgfan]

You use Scott Ritter as a source? The man admittedly took money from Saddam himself to make a movie defending Iraq and you still think he has any credibilty? I don't use this one often, usually its a cheap copout for those out of any further intellectual argument, but it fits this time... :rolleyes:

Roll your eyes all you want. Regardless of whose money Ritter may have taken, the points he made were valid ones.

As to the accusations that Ritter took money from Saddam, can you please point me to evidence backing this claim? I've Google-searched Ritter and can find no such evidence. He did produce a documentary about the UN inspections and Iraq called "Shifting Sands: The Truth about Unscom and the Disarming of Iraq", but I found no evidence that it was financed directly by Saddam. As for his visits to Iraq, according to an interview with FoxNews, they were financed by an American with family in Iraq. According to Fox themselves, this man was not a Saddam-sympathizer but was against U.S. policy regarding Iraq.

And for those of you questioning Ritter's credibility - have you actually done any research on his history, or is this a reactionary opinion based on him not agreeing with your opinion on Iraq or because your favorite politicians told you to not trust him?

FYI - up until he resigned in protest from the UN inspections team in 1998, he was a favorite of hawkish politicians and conservatives based on his contentions the U.S. was going too easy on Iraq regarding inspections. He was born to a military family, joined the Marines out of college, served in the first Gulf War as a missle expert for General Schwarzkopf and then joined the U.N. Inspecton team (UNSCOM) after the war. He was an active and aggressive as the chief inspector, accused in 1997 by Iraq of being a U.S. spy and sparking a major confrontation with Iraq in 1998 due to his inspection efforts. In interviews he has consistently maintained that he had no love for Saddam, saying in one interview "...I wish he was dead" and describing him as "...the most brutal dictator I can think of today".

Selected links related to Scott Ritter:
Fox News interview transcript (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,62916,00.html)
BBC News profile of Scott Ritter (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2247600.stm)
Time Magazine interview with Scott Ritter (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,351165,00.html)

Understand, I don't take Ritter's every word as gospel - he was completely wrong about the U.S. Military's ability to capture Baghdad for example - but on the question of Iraq's WMD capabilities and whether the U.S. had proven its case against Iraq to justify military action rather than resuming inspections, he was dead-on.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Some of you people are weird.

[duckman]

Some of you people are weird.
Who you calling weird? You're the one who walks around in women's underpants!

[EagleFan]

Who you calling weird? You're the one who walks around in women's underpants!

Yeah, yeah, what he sa.......... uh, nevermind.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Yeah, but they're a hot woman's underpants.

[Joe Canadian]

Going back to the oiginal post...

The funny thing is people will still post "credible" news stories from Drudge as a means to argue in debates...

[Bubba Wheels]

Going back to the oiginal post...

The funny thing is people will still post "credible" news stories from Drudge as a means to argue in debates...

News Flash: Drudge does NOT write most of the stories on his web, he just links them with the source (usually a newspaper or network news source). So its not actually DRUDGE that is the source of the story. See for yourself.http://drudgereport.com

[Bubba Wheels]

BTW, is that really Larry King, or his statue ready for the Wax Museum?

[Ksyrup]

And I will ask you whether the movie is stupid or not. Only you are enititled to an opinion apperently (and to make unfunny comments).
When I give you my opinion, it won't be in a condesending fashion if you disagree.

[duckman]

Yeah, but they're a hot woman's underpants.
pix plz thnkz

[Joe Canadian]

News Flash: Drudge does NOT write most of the stories on his web, he just links them with the source (usually a newspaper or network news source). So its not actually DRUDGE that is the source of the story. See for yourself.http://drudgereport.com

I wasn't referring to Drudge the person... I was talking about Drudge the website...

[Bubba Wheels]

I wasn't referring to Drudge the person... I was talking about Drudge the website...

What's the difference? Same thing I said still applies, all links to original news sources.

[dawgfan]

What's the difference? Same thing I said still applies, all links to original news sources.

Except of course the report that prompted this thread in the first place, which was filed by Drudge himself with no links to any other source.

[EagleFan]

Except of course the report that prompted this thread in the first place, which was filed by Drudge himself with no links to any other source.


What story? It's just a funny collection of pictures and a commentary.

[dawgfan]

What story? It's just a funny collection of pictures and a commentary.

Exactly. This is news?

This sort of thing is why it's very hard to take the Drudge Report seriously as a news source.

[duckman]

I think people get just too wound up over shit like this.