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Raiders Army
08-04-2004, 05:28 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1851649

Tuesday, August 3, 2004


ESPN.com news services
Receiver Tim Brown told some of his Oakland teammates, including Jerry Rice, that he won't be playing for the Raiders this season.


"What he said to the guys is that he's not going to be around anymore," Rice said after practice Tuesday. "I don't know what was said, but he's not going to be here anymore. This basically is going to wake everybody up that this is a business. You can't come in and feel like you've got it made."


Brown met with Raiders owner Al Davis on Tuesday and has another meeting scheduled to discuss his future with the team.


ESPN.com's John Clayton reported Tuesday evening that Davis told Brown he wants him to be Oakland's fourth or fifth receiving option, not the club's first one.


Brown told Davis he still thinks that he can be the top ball-catcher on the team, according to Clayton. Brown is not believed to be considering retirement.


However, team sources told ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli on Tuesday night that Oakland officials would prefer that Brown retire, so that he would have played his entire career with the franchise.


Brown, the longest-tenured Raider, appeared resigned to probably continuing his 17-year career in another city.


"You know, if you asked me that a week ago, I would've said no," Brown said Tuesday of ending his Raiders career and joining a new team. "But certainly, even standing out here, that's not something I want to think about. I don't know what could happen to change what is going on, and certainly you don't want to see anybody get injured or anything of that nature to change your situation.


"I mean, there are going to be things I'm going to have to think about hard in the future, and we'll make those decisions."


Brown took part in position drills Tuesday, but sat out the rest of practice. The receivers got together at the end, Brown said something, and they all put their hands together and cheered "Brown!"


New coach Norv Turner plans to use his young players, and fifth-year pro Jerry Porter is on track to becoming the franchise's receiver of the future. The Raiders also have Rice, 41, and rookies Johnnie Morant and Carlos Francis, along with a handful of other receivers they'd like to look at. Also in the mix is second-year player Doug Gabriel, who has been outstanding in offseason workouts.

So what becomes of the 38-year-old Brown, who finished last season with 52 catches for 567 yards and two touchdowns?


Turner confirmed Tuesday that if Brown does stay with the Raiders his role "wouldn't be what it's been" and that Porter is ready to be a starter.


"This is not an easy decision for anybody," Brown said. "You're talking about the so-called Mr. Raider the last 16 years. ... The timing of the situation, I'd rather do it now than the last cut of the year, for sure."


Brown has been durable, missing only one game over the past 11 seasons, and is a respected leader.


During the Raiders' embarrassing 4-12 season a year ago -- the worst collapse by a team that reached the Super Bowl the previous season -- Brown spoke up in a team meeting and asked his teammates to shut up and play.


It was his effort to get the Raiders back on track after the franchise's worst start in 39 years. It also followed public criticism by cornerback Charles Woodson of then-coach Bill Callahan.


Brown even offered to let his teammates blame him for all the problems instead of their coaches or other players. About 10 of the Raiders watched a Monday night game at Brown's house.


But after the season on his weekly radio show, Brown accused Callahan of sabotaging the season in order to get fired and said some players had to be held back from physically going after the coach.


Callahan later denied it and said Brown was just upset after being told in October that Porter would replace him in the starting lineup.


Brown has been a Raider since they drafted him in the first round in 1988 after he won the Heisman Trophy at Notre Dame.


"I think it's a big surprise. When you think about the Raiders you think about Tim Brown," Rice said. "It's a weird game. You never know when this situation might occur. It's going to be weird not having that guy around to pull me through practice."


Brown has caught 1,070 passes for 14,734 yards and 99 touchdowns. He's averaged 13.8 yards per catch and started 198 of his 240 games.


Brown's most productive season came in 1997, when he caught 104 passes for 1,408 yards and five touchdowns. Brown's 11 TDs in 2000 were a career high.


"Obviously I've never been a guy who ran 40 yards down the field, but what I do is what I do, he said. "And if my mind-set is still on doing those things, I believe I can still do them, and my mind is certainly toward still playing football."


Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Horrible news for the franchise Raiders player. Tim Brown has been classy a lot of the time, even when the Raiders struggled. I'm sad to hear this.

cthomer5000
08-04-2004, 05:37 AM
off to Tampa.

Danny
08-04-2004, 06:05 AM
It's time for Timmy to retire. If he cant see that, then a 5th receiving option role or being cut if he's unwilling to accept that is what must be done. Personally, Im not sure Brown even has enough left to be on the field in 4 WR sets.

rkmsuf
08-04-2004, 07:50 AM
That's actually good news for the Raiders. Brown is ready for the 19th hole.

MrIllini
08-04-2004, 08:45 AM
While I don't necessarily disagree that Timbo is beyond his prime, this...

However, team sources told ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli on Tuesday night that Oakland officials would prefer that Brown retire, so that he would have played his entire career with the franchise.

...is a really big consideration for him I'm sure. :rolleyes:

fucking arrogant owners and "team officials"..."hey Tim, after we've used you up the last 96 years, we want you to be a 5th receiver. oh, you don't want to be a 5th receiver? ok, well, will you retire then so that you only played for us?"

rkmsuf
08-04-2004, 08:48 AM
While I don't necessarily disagree that Timbo is beyond his prime, this...



...is a really big consideration for him I'm sure. :rolleyes:

fucking arrogant owners and "team officials"..."hey Tim, after we've used you up the last 96 years, we want you to be a 5th receiver. oh, you don't want to be a 5th receiver? ok, well, will you retire then so that you only played for us?"

Take it easy...it's a two way street. Mr. Brown has been well paid for his services.

MrIllini
08-04-2004, 09:47 AM
Take it easy...it's a two way street. Mr. Brown has been well paid for his services.

agreed.

but at the same time, if the guy wants to play, and some team is willing to pay him to be a 4th compared to a 5th with the Raiders...what the fuck obligation does he have because they "want him to retire as a Raider"?

Ksyrup
08-04-2004, 09:49 AM
Denver would never have treated him like this had he signed with us years ago...:D ;)

rkmsuf
08-04-2004, 09:51 AM
agreed.

but at the same time, if the guy wants to play, and some team is willing to pay him to be a 4th compared to a 5th with the Raiders...what the fuck obligation does he have because they "want him to retire as a Raider"?

uhh, none.

MrIllini
08-04-2004, 10:02 AM
my point exactly :)

Franklinnoble
08-04-2004, 11:26 AM
He's done. Warren Sapp could cover him in the open field these days.

SunDevil
08-04-2004, 11:49 AM
He is on his way to Tampa.

Kodos
08-04-2004, 12:58 PM
Just another case of a guy giving a lot to a team and then being shown the door on the downside of his career. Yes, he made a lot of money along the way, but it's still kind of a sad situation. And I don't even like the Raiders.

rkmsuf
08-04-2004, 01:00 PM
Just another case of a guy giving a lot to a team and then being shown the door on the downside of his career. Yes, he made a lot of money along the way, but it's still kind of a sad situation. And I don't even like the Raiders.

sad how? opposed to bitching all year how he sucks and why is he on the field?

Franklinnoble
08-04-2004, 01:25 PM
Just another case of a guy giving a lot to a team and then being shown the door on the downside of his career. Yes, he made a lot of money along the way, but it's still kind of a sad situation. And I don't even like the Raiders.
It's sad, but he should have just retired (maybe he will... I dunno).

What's sadder is when these guys hang on too long... Emmitt Smith, for example...

primelord
08-04-2004, 01:42 PM
What's sadder is when these guys hang on too long... Emmitt Smith, for example...
Or Darrell Green? http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Franklinnoble
08-04-2004, 01:46 PM
Or Darrell Green? http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
True. Actually, I never liked Darrell Green that much. He was very fan un-friendly... wouldn't sign an autograph unless you were paying him for it.

RainRaven
08-04-2004, 03:45 PM
I am watching the press conf. they are holding right now and must say I am impressed by the class that Mr. Davis and Tim Brown are showing towards each other.

Samdari
08-04-2004, 03:46 PM
So, are they announcing his release?

pennywisesb
08-04-2004, 05:58 PM
So, are they announcing his release?
Thursday is the day they apparently will release him according to ESPN.

Raiders Army
08-04-2004, 06:01 PM
Tim Brown is one of those guys I grew up with. It's pretty sad. I feel the same way I did when Jerry Rice became a Raider. It's just not right.

pennywisesb
08-04-2004, 06:01 PM
Just another case of a guy giving a lot to a team and then being shown the door on the downside of his career. Yes, he made a lot of money along the way, but it's still kind of a sad situation. And I don't even like the Raiders.
He wasn't really shown the door, they were open to keeping him but he didn't want a reduced role. I guess he figured he would be their #3 starter again this year, but Norv Turner wants to give more playing time to his younger receivers like Alvis Whitted and Ronald Curry. To be honest I hate to see him go, he's one of the reasons I grew up liking the Raiders, but if he must go, I would selfishly hope he would retire a Raider.

pennywisesb
08-04-2004, 06:02 PM
Tim Brown is one of those guys I grew up with. It's pretty sad. I feel the same way I did when Jerry Rice became a Raider. It's just not right.
Lets face facts here, Rice looks much better in the silver and black ;)

Sharpieman
08-04-2004, 08:15 PM
Lets face facts here, Rice looks much better in the silver and black ;)
Rice will never look better in those stupid uniforms. I find it incredibly interesting that Gruden had to leave Oakland to win a superbowl and Rice had to go to Oakland to lose a superbowl.

Besides the Raider bashing, I think Tim Brown leaving is a very good thing for the Raiders. Maybe the fans hate to see him leave, but now Porter and some of the younger and faster guys will be able to get more time on the field. Tim Brown helped them as a leader, but they already have the best WR ever to be a leader and help the younger guys mature. I think the Raiders should surprise a lot of teams this year, they should be a lot better this year.

Sharpieman
08-04-2004, 08:16 PM
I am watching the press conf. they are holding right now and must say I am impressed by the class that Mr. Davis and Tim Brown are showing towards each other.
LOL, class and Davis in the same sentence? First time I've ever seen that.

AZSpeechCoach
08-04-2004, 08:16 PM
But if Tim Brown plays for another team, he'll have no shot at being a "Legend of the Game" when he retires, and I won't see his name listed in my almanac.

pennywisesb
08-04-2004, 09:42 PM
Rice will never look better in those stupid uniforms. I find it incredibly interesting that Gruden had to leave Oakland to win a superbowl and Rice had to go to Oakland to lose a superbowl.


Oh Sharpieman, you are too cute. We all know that Silver and Black looks much better than red and tan/brown/diarrea (maybe?). I have no idea what color the 9ers pants are to be honest, but its gotta be about the ugliest color I've ever seen.

:p

Raiders Army
08-05-2004, 06:02 AM
But if Tim Brown plays for another team, he'll have no shot at being a "Legend of the Game" when he retires, and I won't see his name listed in my almanac.
I love this.

Raiders Army
08-05-2004, 07:29 AM
The other thing that I've been thinking about is that Tim Brown is one of the few receivers, if not the only one, in the league not to use receiver gloves. How anachronistic is that? It only deepens my respect for the man.

Kodos
08-05-2004, 01:16 PM
I actually think he should retire. He looked like he was done last year. This instance may not be as bad as other instances of stars being forced out. In a way, it does actually appear that Davis was doing him a favor.

Mo.Raider
08-05-2004, 09:34 PM
Just another case of a guy giving a lot to a team and then being shown the door on the downside of his career. Yes, he made a lot of money along the way, but it's still kind of a sad situation. And I don't even like the Raiders.

I have always wondered what the owners are supposed to do with these guys as opposed to showing them the door on the downside of their careers?

You have to use as much class as possible and then move on. The NFL is all about winning, unless your one of the Bidwells :) .

Danny
08-05-2004, 09:52 PM
Can anyone who watched Tim Brown play last year actually make a case for why the raiders should have kept him?

I have a great deal of respect for Brown as well, but playing someone who is hurting your team is not an option, loyalty or not.