question about BCS/ping college football fans

[cthomer5000]

What are the technicalities for a conference champ (Big East) not qualifying for a BCS bid?

I believe there is some technicality where the BCS committee can pass them over if they aren't ranked X or higher. Am i right on this?


In case you're wondering, this is all to ultimately forecast Rutgers chances at a bowl bid. :)

[cthomer5000]

Also, does anyone have any links detailing the conference movement for this year and next?

[The Un-Ghosted Chubby]

What are the technicalities for a conference champ (Big East) not qualifying for a BCS bid?

I believe there is some technicality where the BCS committee can pass them over if they aren't ranked X or higher. Am i right on this?


In case you're wondering, this is all to ultimately forecast Rutgers chances at a bowl bid. :)

It involves Notre Dame being ranked so high and the BE champ not being ranked high enough, I pretty sure that they can't be bumped solely on their poor poll standing (but this may have changed with an addition to the BCS contract)

[Passacaglia]

I thought that it was if they're not ranked in the Top 24, than the BCS can get rid of them for NEXT year's bid. I'm not sure, though.

[cthomer5000]

It involves Notre Dame being ranked so high and the BE champ not being ranked high enough, I pretty sure that they can't be bumped solely on their poor poll standing (but this may have changed with an addition to the BCS contract)
Yeah, and I wouldn't rule that out. The Big East clearly lost a lot of luster this year. I think they lost one of their guaranteed bids too.

[bronconick]

I'm pretty sure the BCS is stuck with the Big East champion regardless.

There is a "Syracuse" rule from when the Orange won the Big East a couple times from around 20-25 in the polls, where if a Conference champion doesn't average #15 or higher in the final (pre bowl) BCS rankings over a 3 year span, that conference can/will lose its bowl bid. The ACC was in danger of that last season, when they had #12ish Maryland and an 8-4 FSU team in 2001-02. The Big East is about as secure as it can be for next season in that regard, since Miami's been their champion for the last three seasons.

[The Un-Ghosted Chubby]

http://www.syracuse.com/sports/poststandard/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1078306841159461.xml

[Passacaglia]

From http://www.geocities.com/rtell/FAQ.html#bowls

The conference champion of the six BCS conferences must have an average ranking of 12 or higher for a 4-year period, or the automatic selection may be revoked.

I think this is what you're referring to.

[The Un-Ghosted Chubby]

From http://www.geocities.com/rtell/FAQ.html#bowls



I think this is what you're referring to.

Yeah, that's the SU clause. Of course the key word being "may" which the article I posted shows isn't going to happen with the BE in the next contract (if they evn violated that clause which I don't think they did)

still looking for the Notre Dame clause and it's actual wording.

[Passacaglia]

I took the article you posted to mean that they weren't kicked out entirely -- I assumed the old rule could still apply in four years.

[The Un-Ghosted Chubby]

I took the article you posted to mean that they weren't kicked out entirely -- I assumed the old rule could still apply in four years.
Yeah, I'm sure that rule will still be in there as it applies to all conferences (especially with the BCS potentially including more conferences in the new contract) just as I'm sure some sort of Notre Dame clause will be in the new contract as well (not that it's been used in recent years heh)

[digamma]

I'm not sure how this changes this year with the extra game, but as of last year a conference couldn't get both BCS at large slots. It is far fetched, but it could result in a scenario where the conference champ is left out. For instance, if Texas, and not LSU were ranked second last year, and Oklahoma held onto its top ranking after the KSU loss, then OU and Texas would have played for the national title and KSU would have been relegated to the Cotton or Holiday Bowl. This isn't the scenario you are asking about but it is a case where the conference champ could be left out of the BCS.

[General Mike]

Also, does anyone have any links detailing the conference movement for this year and next?


Not a link, but here's the conference breakdowns for next season:


Big Twelve Southeastern

North Division East Division
Colorado Florida
Iowa State Georgia
Kansas Kentucky
Kansas State South Carolina
Missouri Tennessee
Nebraska Vanderbilt

South Division West Division
Baylor Alabama
Oklahoma Arkansas
Oklahoma State Auburn
Texas Louisiana State
Texas A&M Mississippi
Texas Tech Mississippi State

Atlantic Coast Big Ten Conference

Division A Illinois
Boston College Indiana
Clemson Iowa
Florida State Michigan
Maryland Michigan State
North Carolina State Minnesota
Wake Forest Northwestern
Ohio State
Division B Penn State
Duke Purdue
Georgia Tech Wisconsin
Miami FL
North Carolina Big East
Virginia Cincinnati
Virginia Tech Connecticut
Louisville
Pac Ten Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Arizona South Florida
Arizona State Syracuse
California West Virginia
Oregon
Oregon State Conference USA
Southern California
Stanford East Division
UCLA Central Florida
Washington East Carolina
Washington State Marshall
Memphis
Mountain West Southern Miss
UAB
Air Force
Brigham Young West Division
Colorado State Houston
New Mexico Rice
San Diego State SMU
TCU Tulane
UNLV Tulsa
Utah UTEP
Wyoming

Mid-American Western Athletic

East Division Boise State
Akron Fresno State
Buffalo Hawaii
Kent State Idaho
Miami OH Louisiana Tech
Ohio Nevada
Toledo/ Bowling Green New Mexico State
San Jose State
West Division Utah State
Ball State
Bowling Green/ Toledo Independents
Central Michigan Army
Eastern Michigan Navy
Northern Illinois Notre Dame
Toledo Temple
Western Michigan

Sun Belt
Arkansas State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Troy State

[Passacaglia]

Why would the conference champ be left out? If a conference can't take both at-large spots, wouldn't the 2nd best at-large team be left out?

[cthomer5000]

Quite an overhaul for both the Big East and Conference USA.

[The Un-Ghosted Chubby]

Quite an overhaul for both the Big East and Conference USA.
yup but I could care less about BE football now, the basketball conference is going to rock.

[digamma]

Why would the conference champ be left out? If a conference can't take both at-large spots, wouldn't the 2nd best at-large team be left out?
I probably wasn't clear enough. The conference champ is only left out if the other two teams from the conference qualify to play in the national title game--thus the OU-Texas example from last year. Nevertheless, pretty far-fetched.