OT - 2004/2005 UEFA Champions' League Predictions

[MIJB#19]

Yeah, the draw has been done, the spreadsheet is ready. It's time for the 2004/2005 UEFA Champions' League predictions competition!

To compete, reply in this thread with your 1-4 per group, I'll first post the groups, after that my own prediction in the preferred format:

Draw
Group A
Deportivo
Liverpool
Monaco
Olympiakos

Group B
Real Madrid
Roma
Bayer Leverkusen
Dynamo Kiyv

Group C
Bayern Munich
Juventus
Ajax
Maccabi Tel-Aviv

Group D
Manchester Utd
Olympique Lyonnais
Sparta Praha
Fenerbache

Group E
Arsenal
Panthaniakos
PSV Eindhoven
Rosenborg

Group F
Barcelona
Milan AC
Celtic
Shakhtar Donetsk

Group G
Valencia
Internazionale
Anderlecht
Werder Bremen

Group H
Porto
Chelsea
Paris SG
CSKA Moskva

My prediction
Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Liverpool - 3 Olympiakos - 4 Monaco
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Dynamo Kiyv - 3 Roma - 4 Leverkusen
Group C - 1 Ajax - 2 Juventus - 3 Bayern - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Manchester - 2 Lyon - 3 Fenerbache - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 PSV - 2 Arsenal - 3 Rosenborg - 4 Panthaniakos
Group F - 1 Milan - 2 Barcelona - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Valencia - 2 Internazionale - 3 Werder - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 CSKA Moskva - 3 Paris SG - 4 Porto

[BreizhManu]

Group A - 1 Monaco - 2 Liverpool - 3 Deportivo - 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Bayern - 2 Juventus - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac. Tel-Aviv
Group D - 1 Manchester - 2 Lyon - 3 Sparta - 4 Fenerbache
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Panathinaikos- 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 Milan - 3 Shakhtar - 4 Celtic
Group G - 1 Valencia - 2 Werder - 3 Inter - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3 CSKA - 4 Paris SG

[Critch]

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Liverpool - 3 Monaco - 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Ajax - 3 Bayern - 4 Mac. Tel-Aviv
Group D - 1 Lyon - 2 Man Utd - 3 Sparta - 4 Fenerbache
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Rosenborg - 4 Pana
Group F - 1 Milan - 2 Barcelona - 3 Shakhtar - 4 Celtic
Group G - 1 Inter - 2 Valencia - 3 Anderlecht - 4 Werder Bremen
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 CSKA - 3 Porto - 4 Paris SG

[cartman]

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Liverpool - 3 Olympiakos - 4 Monaco
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Bayern - 2 Juventus - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 ManU - 2 Fenerbache - 3 Lyon - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV Einhdoven - 3 Rosenborg - 4 Panthaniakos
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 AC Milan - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Inter - 2 Valencia - 3 Werder - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Paris SG - 3 Porto - 4 CSKA

edited to add the PSV to Eindhoven, to placate our wooden shoe wearing friend :D

[fantastic flying froggies]

Group A - 1 Liverpool - 2 Deportivo - 3 Olympiakos - 4 Monaco
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Leverkusen - 3 Roma - 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Bayern - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac Tel Aviv
Group D - 1 Lyon - 2 Man U - 3 Sparta - 4 Fenerbache
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 Panathinaikos - 3 PSV - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 Milan - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Inter - 2 Anderlecht - 3 Valence - 4 Werder
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 PSG - 3 Porto - 4 CSKA

[rufusjonz]

Group A - 1 Deportivo 2 Liverpool 3 Monaco 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid 2 Bayern Levekusen 3 Roma 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus 2 Ajax 3 Bayern Munich 4 Mac Tel Aviv
Group D - 1 Man U 2 Lyvon 3 Fenerbache 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Aresenal 2 PSV 3 Pathanikos 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Milan 2 Barcelona 3 Shaktar 4 Celtic
Group G - 1 Valencia 2 Inter 3 Werder 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea 2 Porto 3 PSG 4 CSKA

Upsets i picked, Bayern Munich to not make it, Celtic last in group, Roma out -- i think the greek teams are up and coming, but such tough groups

[moriarty]

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Liverpool 3 Olympiakos - 4 Monaco
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Leverkusen - 3 Roma - 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Bayern - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac Tel Aviv
Group D - 1 Man U - 2 Lyon - 3 Sparta - Fenerbache
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV 3 - Panathinaikos - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 Milan - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Inter - 2 Anderlecht - 3 Valence - 4 Werder
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3PSG - 4 CSKA

[Desnudo]

I predict that Maccabi Tel-Aviv will not advance.

[MIJB#19]

Some notes:

* FFF is starting with a -1 penalty for having a name which is too long to fit into the spreadsheet cells, making entering the predictions into the spreadsheat a little bit more annoying.
* BreizhManu gets a -10 start, as it won't be fair to let others to enter the competition, with second place being the best they can get.
* Cartman will get no points for PSV, even if they finish second if the UEFA decides to replace PSV with the other team from Eindhoven, Eindhoven, he'll get 100 bonus points, independant on their finish in the group stages.
* Desnudo is entered with only Maccabi Tel-Aviv finishing 4th. As per the scoring rules, he will get 0 point if he's correct.


All joking aside, I failed to mention the deadline, your entry has to be posted before kickoff of the first group stage match on September 14th.

Also, edited posts won't count as entries, mistakes should be mentioned in additional posts.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Group A- 1 Deportivo - 2 Liverpool - 3 Olympiakos - 4 Monaco

Group B- 1 Roma - 2 Real Madrid - 3 Bayer Leverkusen - 4 Dynamo Kiyv

Group C- 1 Bayern Munich - 2 Juventus - 3 Ajax - 4 Maccabi Tel-Aviv

Group D- 1 Manchester Utd - 2 Sparta Praha - 3 Olympique Lyonnais - 4 Fenerbache

Group E- 1 Panthaniakos - 2 Arsenal - 3 PSV Eindhoven - 4 Rosenborg

Group F- 1 Milan AC - 2 Barcelona - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar Donetsk

Group G- 1 Werder Bremen - 2 Valencia - 3 Internazionale - 4 Anderlecht

Group H- 1 Chelsea - 2 CSKA Moskva - 3 Porto - 4 Paris SG

I have no idea what are upsets. :D

[Katon]

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Monaco- 3 Liverpool - 4 Olimpiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Dynamo Kyiv - 4 Leverkusen
Group C - 1 Bayern - 2 Ajax - 3 Juventus- 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Manchester - 2 Lyon - 3 Fenerbache - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Panathanaikos - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Milan - 2 Barcelona - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Valencia - 2 Internazionale - 3 Werder - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3 Paris SG - 4 CSKA Moskva

[Crapshoot]

Group A - 1 Deportivo 2 Liverpool 3 Monaco 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid 2. Leverkusen 3. Roma 4. Dynamo Kieve
Group C- 1 Juventus 2 Bayern 3 Ajax 4 Mac T-Aviv.
Group D-1 Manchester Utd 2 Lyon 3. Sparta Prague 4. Fenerbache
Group E - 1 Arsenal 2 Panathanaikos 3. PSV 4. Rosenberg
Group F = 1. Milan 2 Barcelona 3 Shaktar 4 Celtic
Group G- 1 Valencia 2 Werder 3 Inter 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1. Chelsea 2 Porto 3.CSKA Moskow 4. PSG

[MIJB#19]

10 entries so far.

[Scholes]

2nd Place last year! Back for revenge....

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Monaco - 3 Liverpool - 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Roma - 2 Real Madrid - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dinamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Ajax - 3 Bayern - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Lyon - 2 Fenerbahce - 3 Man Utd - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 Panthaniakos - 3 PSV - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 Milan - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Inter - 2 Valencia - 3 Werder - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3 Paris SG - 4 CSKA

[bhlloy]

OK, I'll shoot:

Group A: 1 - Deportivo 2 - Liverpool 3 - Monaco 4 - Olimpiakos
Group B: 1 - Real 2 - Leverkusen 3 - Roma 4 - Kiev
Group C: 1 - Bayern 2 - Juventus 3 - Ajax 4 - Maccabi Haifa
Group D: 1 - Man Utd 2 - Fenerbahce 3 - Sparta 4 - Lyon
Group E: 1 - Arsenal 2 - Panathaniakos 3 - PSV 4 - Rosenborg
Group F: 1 - Milan 2 - Barcelona 3 - Celtic 4 - Shakhtar
Group G: 1 - Valencia 2 - Inter 3 - Anderlecht 4 - Bremen
Group H: 1 - Chelsea 2 - Porto 3 - CSKA 4 - PSG

[bhlloy]

EDIT: should of course be Tel Aviv and not Haifa. Damn unoriginal Israeli team names :p

[MIJB#19]

Little bump.
I'm not promoting this competition enough. :)

[Chief Rum]

Here are my picks.

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Liverpool - 3 Monaco - 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dinamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Bayern - 2 Juventus - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Man Utd- 2 Lyon - 3 Fenerbahce - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Panathanaikos - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 Milan - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Inter - 2 Valencia - 3 Werder - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3 Paris SG - 4 CSKA

CR

[MIJB#19]

I wish I didn't have to bump this myself for the next 7 days, starting today. ;)

[Cards4ever]

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Monaco - 3 Olympiakos - 4 Liverpool
Group B - 1 Roma - 2 Real Madrid - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dinamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Bayern - 2 Juventus - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Man Utd- 2 Lyon - 3 Fenerbahce - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Panathanaikos - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Milan - 2 Celtic - 3 Barcelona - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Valencia - 2 Inter - 3 Werder - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Porto - 2 Chelsea - 3 Paris SG - 4 CSKA

[fantastic flying froggies]

I wish I didn't have to bump this myself for the next 7 days, starting today. ;)
I'll help you then!

[ArlingtonColt]

I've lurked around here not posting long enough!! Here are my preds :)


Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Olympiakos - 3 Liverpool - 4 Monaco
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dinamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Ajax - 3 Bayern - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Man U - 2 Fenerbahce - 3 Lyon - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Panathanaikos - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Milan - 2 Barcelona - 3 Shakhtar - 4 Celtic
Group G - 1 Werder - 2 Inter - 3 Valencia - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3 Paris SG - 4 CSKA

[MIJB#19]

I've lurked around here not posting long enough!! Here are my preds :)


Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Olympiakos - 3 Liverpool - 4 Monaco
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dinamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Ajax - 3 Bayern - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Man U - 2 Fenerbahce - 3 Lyon - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Panathanaikos - 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Milan - 2 Barcelona - 3 Shakhtar - 4 Celtic
Group G - 1 Werder - 2 Inter - 3 Valencia - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3 Paris SG - 4 CSKA

Last edited by ArlingtonColt : 09-08-2004 at 05:41 PM.I'm not so happy about edited entries...
Shall we allow this entry? Well?

For once, I will allow it.
If the edited date and time changes, well, I can do only one thing, make you my personal FOFC slave...

;)

And then I go back to edit this reply about stating how edited entries are supposed to be not allowed by my...

[ArlingtonColt]

sorry i just realized it was my first ever post on these forums.. you can check the time it was just a few minutes after i posted.... i didnt make any changes

[MIJB#19]

sorry i just realized it was my first ever post on these forums.. you can check the time it was just a few minutes after i posted.... i didnt make any changesHey, I was just kidding. :)

[atatange1]

Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Liverpool - 3 Monaco - 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Bayern - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac. Tel-Aviv
Group D - 1 Man U - 2 Lyon - 3 Fenerbhace - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Rosenborg - 4 Panath
Group F - 1 Barca - 2 Milan - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakthar
Group G - 1 Valencia - 2 Inter - 3 Anderlecht - 4 Werder Bremen
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 Porto - 3 PSG - 4 CSKA

[MIJB#19]

The first round of games is coming up, in about 33 hours and 33 minutes.

[Alf]

Alf predictions


Group A - 1 Deportivo - 2 Monaco - 3 Liverpool - 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Real Madrid - 2 Roma - 3 Leverkusen - 4 Dynamo Kiyv
Group C - 1 Juventus - 2 Bayern - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac. T-Aviv
Group D - 1 Manchester - 2 Lyon - 3 Fenerbache - 4 Sparta
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Rosenborg - 4 Panthaniakos
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 Milan - 3 Celtic - 4 Shakhtar
Group G - 1 Valencia - 2 Internazionale - 3 Werder - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Porto - 2 Chelsea - 3 Paris SG - 4 CSKA Moskva
Thanks Matthijs !

[MIJB#19]

Bump before bedtime.

[MIJB#19]

This will be the last bump until the deadline, probably. The first round of games will start in 9 hours and 20 minutes.

[MIJB#19]

This will be the last bump until the deadline, probably. The first round of games will start in 9 hours and 20 minutes.Well, I lied.
You got another 50 minutes if you want to join.

[Desnudo]

Group A - 1 Liverpool - 2 Depo - 3 Monaco - 4 Olympiakos
Group B - 1 Leverkusen - 2 Roma - 3 Real Madrid - 4 Dynamo Kiev
Group C - 1 Juve - 2 Bayern - 3 Ajax - 4 Mac. Tel-Aviv
Group D - 1 Lyon - 2 Man U - 3 Sparta - 4 Fenerbache
Group E - 1 Arsenal - 2 PSV - 3 Panathinaikos- 4 Rosenborg
Group F - 1 Barcelona - 2 Milan - 3 Shakhtar - 4 Celtic
Group G - 1 Valencia - 2 Werder - 3 Inter - 4 Anderlecht
Group H - 1 Chelsea - 2 CSKA - 3 Porto - 4 Paris SG

Two minutes to spare by my watch. ;)

[MIJB#19]

Writing in for the group stages is closed. Expect the scores of the first (of three) stages of the competition in a few days after the last group stage games.

[fantastic flying froggies]

bumpity bump

[BreizhManu]

hmm, didn't do quite well this year, but I think most of the others did worse than me :p

[MIJB#19]

I'll check the first rounds scores out later today. I've just turned my pc on for the first time since the last 8 games weere over, shouldn't take too long, if I'm willing to do it quick. :D

[MIJB#19]

Pt Tipper
26 moriarity
25 BreizhManu
24 Aadik
24 Desnudo
22 atatange1
22 Chief Rum
22 Critch
22 rufusjonz
21 ArlingtonColt
21 Katon
20 bhlloy
20 Cards4ever
19 Alf
18 cartman
18 fantastic flying froggies
17 HornedFrog Purple
17 Scholes
16 MIJB#19

For the record, in four groups, nobody had a perfect score of putting all 4 teams in the right order. (Group A, B, D anf G)

Best gambles:
BreizhManu - Monaco at #1
Katon - Dynamo Kiev at #3
BreizhManu and bhlloy - CSKA Moskva at #3, ahead of Paris SG at #4
Critch, fantastic flying froggies and Desnudo - Lyon at #1, ahead of Manchester United at #2
fantastic flying froggies, moriarity and ArlingtonColt - Valancia at #3

[fantastic flying froggies]

hmm, stupid noob question maybe, but is it better to have lots of points, or as little as possible ?

(in other words, did I do OK ? or do I suck at this game too???)

[Critch]

Group F ......... 4 Celtic


The fact I got this pick right makes me astoundingly happy :D

[MIJB#19]

hmm, stupid noob question maybe, but is it better to have lots of points, or as little as possible ?

(in other words, did I do OK ? or do I suck at this game too???)Good question, really.

I've failed to post the traditional scoring rules as set by good ol' Kosta.

2 points for correctly picking a group winner
2 points for correctly picking a group runner up
1 point for correctly picking a top 2 team in the top 2, but at the wrong position
1 point for predicting the #3 team correctly

With a max of 5 points per group that's a max of 40 points for the round.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Matthijs, thanks for clearing that up. It is then as I thought: I suck!

[cartman]

Hey, MIJB, I don't see my score listed... :(

[MIJB#19]

Hey, MIJB, I don't see my score listed... :(Fixed, see above.

[cartman]

Fixed, see above.

Hmmm... After seeing my score, maybe I should have kept quiet... :D

[moriarty]

Wow, sweet. I'm moving to Europe ASAP so I can start putting some real money on these games.

[Desnudo]

Never doubt the ability of Ranieri to not win the big games.

[MIJB#19]

Wow, sweet. I'm moving to Europe ASAP so I can start putting some real money on these games.Wanna switch places? I'm doing a lot better in NFL predictions.

[moriarty]

I'm sure I'll crash & burn next phase.

[Alf]

yeah, I sucked at it !

[Crapshoot]

3rd place- damn it. I thought Valencia was a sure thing- who would have thought Inter Milan could actually do something ?

[MIJB#19]

Remember that this is just the first round predicting, there's still a second round predictions round and a big knock-out phase prediction round coming up to turn the standings all upside down.

[MIJB#19]

Second round predictions
Eight matchups, eight teams will advance. Simply list your eight winners.

Real Madrid - Juventus
FC Porto - Internazionale
Barcelona - Chelsea
Werder Bremen - Olympique Lyon
Liverpool - Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven - AS Monaco
Manchester United - Milan AC
Bayern München - Arsenal


My prediction
Real Madrid
Internazionale
Barcelona
Werder Bremen
Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven
Manchester United
Arsenal

[tanglewood]

Real Madrid - Juventus
FC Porto - Internazionale
Barcelona - Chelsea
Werder Bremen - Olympique Lyon
Liverpool - Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven - AS Monaco
Manchester United - Milan AC
Bayern München - Arsenal

Three GREAT matches. Will be excellent viewing methinks.

[Desnudo]

Real Madrid - Juventus
FC Porto - Internazionale
Barcelona - Chelsea
Werder Bremen - Olympique Lyon
Liverpool - Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven - AS Monaco
Manchester United - Milan AC
Bayern München - Arsenal


My Prediction:

RM
Porto
Chelski
WB
BL
Monaco
Milan
Arsenal

[fantastic flying froggies]

Juventus
Internazionale
Barcelona
Olympique Lyon
Bayer Leverkusen
AS Monaco
Manchester United
Arsenal

Some very good games in there...can't wait to see the result of the PSV-Monaco one...

[Katon]

Juventus
Internazionale
Chelsea
Werder Bremen
Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven
Milan AC
Bayern München

[atatange1]

Juve
Porto
Chelsea
Lyon
Liverpool
Monaco
Milan
Arsenal

[MIJB#19]

Three GREAT matches. Will be excellent viewing methinks.I'd qualify Bayern vs Arsenal as a big matchup too.

[BreizhManu]

Juventus
Inter
Barcelona
Lyon
Leverkusen
Monaco
Milan
Arsenal

[cartman]

Here are cartman's can't miss picks (as opposed to the first round, where you wanted to stay as far away as possible)

Juventus
Inter
Chelsea
Olympique Lyon
Liverpool
PSV Eindhoven
Milan
Arsenal

[Critch]

Juventus
Internazionale
Chelsea
Olympique Lyon
Liverpool
PSV Eindhoven
Milan AC
Arsenal

[Critch]

Argh! I just noticed my picks are exactly the same as Cartman's. Great minds think alike, or something.

[MIJB#19]

A little bumpy for the last16 games being played in less than 2 weeks.

[KeyserSoze]

UEFA Champions League Matches
Real Madrid - Juventus
Barcelona - Chelsea
Manchester United - Milan AC
Bayern München - Arsenal

Intertoto Matches
FC Porto - Internazionale
Werder Bremen - Olympique Lyon
Liverpool - Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven - AS Monaco

My prediction
RM (you know, I live in Madrid).
Chelsea (Two great attacks, but Chelsea seems more solid for me)
Milan (Very even..... I think Italian defense is slightly better)
Bayern (Kahn is a friend for Henry)

Inter (No Mourinho, no good)
Lyon (err well does anybody cares?)
Liverpool (Benitez has a better team)
Monaco (Saviola??)

[moriarty]

Real Madrid - starting to find their stride, and can't pick against the talent

Inter - tough call, but I don't think porto is as good as last year

Chelsea - running through everyone at this point, great matchup though

Olympique Lyon - I got nothing

Bayer Leverkusen - different story if Morientes could play, but no Morientes, Cisse, pongolle, kewell = no goals for Liverpool

PSV Eindhoven - PSV can afford to focus on CL, love Demarcus, & Monaco can't do it again (edit - I was thinking they had a big lead on Ajax, didn't realize AZ was only 2 pts back)

Manchester United - Hate em, but the've looked pretty damn good lately as long as there are no goalkeeping gaffes.

Bayern München - Arsenal have looked whipped lately (barring last weekend) and they always collapse in the CL ... eventually.

[MIJB#19]

The prediction game continues and lists of eight winners posted before February 22nd 2:45 pm EST will be accepted. I'll probably make a bump or two in the next few days as well.

[Chief Rum]

Juventus
Porto
Chelsea
Werder Bremen
Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven
Milan
Arsenal

[Scholes]

Juventus
Internazionale
Chelsea
Werder Bremen
Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven
Milan AC
Arsenal

[MIJB#19]

Special bump for rufusjonz and Aadik so they can defend their 3rd places overall a bit better. Others are free to enter as well, though.

[Northwood_DK]

Real Madrid - Juventus
FC Porto - Internazionale
Barcelona - Chelsea
Werder Bremen - Olympique Lyon
Liverpool - Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven - AS Monaco
Manchester United - Milan AC
Bayern München - Arsenal

[3ric]

Juventus
Inter
Barcelona
Lyon
Liverpool
Monaco
Milan
Arsenal

[Crapshoot]

Thanks for the bump - this is my new handle (formely Aad...)


Real Madrid in a canter over a Juventus team
Barcelona to come through over Chelsea - especially without Robben
Milan- though this is as much about wishing as predicting
Arsenal - Perhaps generous, but when free-flowing, this is the best team in Europe

FC Porto - Internazionale (Inter - no doubt)
Werder Bremen - Olympique Lyon (Lyon are too good to lose to a weak Werder Bremen side)
Liverpool - Bayer Leverkusen (My heart says Liverpool, and my head is inclined to agree - Liverpool is gold)
PSV Eindhoven - AS Monaco (Monaco - Saviola to come through).

[MIJB#19]

Final bump, you've got 8 hours left to make your list of predictions.

[Desnudo]

Too bad that Sheva is out of the Man U. matchup.

[Critch]

Too bad Gol TV doesn't have Champions League.

(Gol TV finally turned up on DirecTV at 6am this morning, I watched a Spanish paid advertisement for a diet pill this morning before coming to work.)

[condors]

actually gol tv in my area is showing the chelsea vs barcelona game(as per the 12 commericals i saw for it last night)

[Desnudo]

Too bad Gol TV doesn't have Champions League.

(Gol TV finally turned up on DirecTV at 6am this morning, I watched a Spanish paid advertisement for a diet pill this morning before coming to work.)

The Man-Milan game is on ESPN2 tomorrow afternoon.

[SunDancer]

I wish I had FSW or something that carries these games. When is the second set of matchups?

How does the Champions League and UEFA Cup work, in qualifying and playing out? Any websites that explain this?

I didn't realize Israel was included in the Europe.

[SunDancer]

The Man-Milan game is on ESPN2 tomorrow afternoon.

What time?

Is it just me, or is soccer from Europe, or in general, starting to grow here?

[Desnudo]

11:30 AM PST.

[fantastic flying froggies]

When is the second set of matchups?They are playing today and tomorrow, in fact the first games have just finished.

How does the Champions League and UEFA Cup work, in qualifying and playing out? Any websites that explain this?You should find all the info you want on www.uefa.com (http://www.uefa.com/) the official website of the european footaball association.

I didn't realize Israel was included in the Europe.Well, there was a time when nobody in the Asian Federation would play them, so they were admitted in Europe.

[Crapshoot]

btw, the prediction was for the entire tie right - not just the first leg ?

[SunDancer]

With hockey out and the NBA boring as hell (plus not much of a pro hoops fan), I'll watch the game tomarrow. One postive thing of the lockout is that soccer is getting more attention from me, and its pretty cool.

Have they ever considered doing a best-of-three, orwhatever series? What is the logic behind the two game series?

[Scholes]

Have they ever considered doing a best-of-three, orwhatever series? What is the logic behind the two game series?

They go by aggregate goals; for instance Bayern beat Arsenal in Munich today 3-1. That means if Arsenal win the next match in London 2-1 Bayern go through because the total goals would be Bayern 4-3 Arsenal. If the goals are equal after both matches, they go by away goals, which makes Arsenal's late goal crucial. Now if they(Arsenal) win 2-0 they go through because they would have an away goal and Bayern wouldn't. If the away goals are equal, they go to extra time, followed by penalty kicks.

[Mac Howard]

The reason for two matches is that it removes the advantage of a home tie normally associated with knockout competitions. Whether that's good or not is open to debate :)

[SunDancer]

The reason for two matches is that it removes the advantage of a home tie normally associated with knockout competitions. Whether that's good or not is open to debate :)

Yeah. I understand the reason, just seems kinda weird way.

[MIJB#19]

btw, the prediction was for the entire tie right - not just the first leg ?Correct.

[MIJB#19]

Yeah. I understand the reason, just seems kinda weird way.And to soccer fans a best of seven series between the Yankees and the team they will beat seems pointless. :D

[moriarty]

Too bad Gol TV doesn't have Champions League.

(Gol TV finally turned up on DirecTV at 6am this morning, I watched a Spanish paid advertisement for a diet pill this morning before coming to work.)

Yeah, I just noticed Gol TV today - didn't even know D* was getting it, but no complaints. I was watching FSC on 613 accidentally hit channel up and there's a Barcelona replay match on 614. Sweet.

Now if we could just get free eSPN deportes & soccer other than MLS in HD.

[SunDancer]

Milan-United just beginning.

Soccer broadcasts have cool intros and kinda intitademing feel to them. I like that they focus solely on soccer.

[SunDancer]

0-0 at the half.

Whats with the "UEFA Champions League" thing playing before everytime the game returns, and everytime it goes to a commerical?

[SunDancer]

Just curious,

What is "offsides" exactly in soccer/football, and are the leagues differnet in terms of style?

I notice that AC Milan plays a very controlled, more techinal passing attack and the United play a more fitness, physical-skilled game? Do the big leagues play certain styles?

[moriarty]

Just curious,

What is "offsides" exactly in soccer/football, and are the leagues differnet in terms of style?

I notice that AC Milan plays a very controlled, more techinal passing attack and the United play a more fitness, physical-skilled game? Do the big leagues play certain styles?

I'm sure someone will come up with the technical definition, but you must have 2 or more opponent players between you and the goal/goaline you are attacking when the ball is played forward by one of your players. Otherwise you are offsides. Basically, you can't camp in front of the goal when the defenders move forward. There's a rule in some leagues about it being ok as long as you dont' affect the play, but that's the gist of it.

As far as the different leagues. You pretty much nailed it on the head. The English league (ManU) is typically characterized by fast paced but rugged, physical w/ hard tackling. The Spanish leagues and Italian leagues (Milan) are considered more technical - better passing, better ball skills, not as physical.

[Desnudo]

Milan certainly schooled Man U in passing and ball skills today. What a blunder by Carroll.

As for the offsides, the easiest way to look at it is to know that any offensive player must be even with, or in front of, at least one defender (besides the goalie) when the ball is played towards him.

[moriarty]

Manchester United - Hate em, but the've looked pretty damn good lately as long as there are no goalkeeping gaffes .


Freakin Roy Carroll - good thing I caveated my prediction. Ah well, it won't break my heart to see Man U out next round. We'll see what they can do on the road.

[SunDancer]

Glad to see Milan win. They just seem to make the United work for any chances they can get. Fortune missed a huge chance.

When is the second leg? How are these matchups determine, by a draw?

[fantastic flying froggies]

bump for MIJB...

[Crapshoot]

Goddamn Chelsea ruining my perfect day...

[MIJB#19]

bump for MIJB...;)

No need to bump until after Inter-Porto, which is next week. due to some crazy rulings that two games can't be played at the same time on the same field...

Oh, I have the link to this thread in my signature so I don't forget to bump it when there's any need to.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Last result in: Inter beats Porto 3-1 and is qualified for the quarterfinals.

[Desnudo]

Real Madrid - Juventus
FC Porto - Internazionale
Barcelona - Chelsea
Werder Bremen - Olympique Lyon
Liverpool - Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven - AS Monaco
Manchester United - Milan AC
Bayern München - Arsenal


My Prediction:

RM
Porto
Chelski
WB
BL
Monaco
Milan
Arsenal

That's a hall of shame pickset for you.

[cartman]

Three Italian teams in the Final 8.

As screwed up as Serie A is, they sure can put teams into the late stages of the CL

[MIJB#19]

I'll try to post the rules for the quarterfinals to final after the draw has been taken place on Friday (and providing I can get internet access pretty soon to). I have a feeling it won't be as early as next Wednesday.

Oh, and te updates standings will be up too, of course. But I'm not in a rush, I sucked big time again myself. ;)

[MIJB#19]

Okay, here goes the third round of the competition. Listed below are the eight remaining teams listed as in a knock-out tree (though the tree it self is missing ;)). The thing to do is name the semi finalists, the finalists and the winner. My own prediction will follow as an example. The points to be scored is 40 when you have all correct. The logic behind it is used before, but not to be posted by me at this moment. Let's show the tree-less knock-out tree:

Milan AC
Internazionale
Olympique Lyon
PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea
Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool
Juventus

Example: MIJB#19's prediction:
SEMI: Milan, PSV, Chelsea, Juventus
FIN: PSV, Juventus
WIN: PSV

[moriarty]

Milan AC
Internazionale
Olympique Lyon
PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea
Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool
Juventus

Semi:
Milan
PSV
Chelsea
Juventus

Final:
Milan
Chelsea

Win: Milan

[Scholes]

Milan AC
Internazionale
Olympique Lyon
PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea
Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool
Juventus

Semis:
AC Milan
Lyon
Bayern
Juventus

Final:
AC Milan
Juventus

Winner: Juventus

[Katon]

Semis:
AC Milan
Lyon
Chelsea
Juventus

Final:
AC Milan
Chelsea

Winner:
Chelsea

[fantastic flying froggies]

Semi:
Inter
Lyon
Chelsea
Juventus

Final:
Inter
Juventus

Winner: Juventus

[cartman]

Milan AC v. Inter (I predict Inter wins on the away goals rule this time :D )
Olympique Lyon v. PSV Eindhoven
Chelsea v. Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool v. Juventus

Inter v. PSV Eindhoven
Chelsea v. Juve

Inter v. Chelsea

[Critch]

Milan AC
Internazionale
Olympique Lyon
PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea
Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool
Juventus

SEMI: Inter, Lyon, Chelsea, Juventus
FIN: Lyon, Juventus
WIN: Juventus

[Crapshoot]

Okay, here goes the third round of the competition. Listed below are the eight remaining teams listed as in a knock-out tree (though the tree it self is missing ;)). The thing to do is name the semi finalists, the finalists and the winner. My own prediction will follow as an example. The points to be scored is 40 when you have all correct. The logic behind it is used before, but not to be posted by me at this moment. Let's show the tree-less knock-out tree:

Milan AC
Internazionale
Olympique Lyon
PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea
Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool
Juventus

Example: MIJB#19's prediction:
SEMI: Milan, PSV, Chelsea, Juventus
FIN: PSV, Juventus
WIN: PSV

ooh- can we lay off on picking the semi and final winners ? I"m not sure about that, and injury etc could happen by that time. I'd be cool with picking the rest now..

[Desnudo]

Is the semi-final draw known right now?

[moriarty]

Is the semi-final draw known right now?

Yes, it's the winner of the first two teams MIJB listed against the winner of the 3rd/4th teams listed. Same with the bottom 4 teams listed in order.

[Desnudo]

Yes, it's the winner of the first two teams MIJB listed against the winner of the 3rd/4th teams listed. Same with the bottom 4 teams listed in order.

Thank you.

Milan AC
Internazionale
Olympique Lyon
PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea
Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool
Juventus

SEMI: Milan, Lyon, Chelsea, Juventus
FIN: Milan, Chelsea
WIN: Milan

[MIJB#19]

ooh- can we lay off on picking the semi and final winners ? I"m not sure about that, and injury etc could happen by that time. I'd be cool with picking the rest now..Nope, the idea is to pick the winners of the enitre playoff tree. That is, if you want to play along. :)

For those confused, sorry for that. I listed the eight teams in order as it would be a playoff tree, but I guess it can be confusing without adding the 'tree' itself.

As posted by Cartman, the fixtures are:
Quarterfinals
Milan AC vs. Inter
Olympique Lyon vs. PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea vs. Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool vs. Juventus

Semifinals
Milan AC or Inter _ vs. _ Olympique Lyon or PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea or Bayern (Munchen) _ vs. _ Liverpool or Juventus

Final
semi final A winner vs. semi final B winner

[moriarty]

Did we update the points after last round or is this a new tournament?

[MIJB#19]

As in the previous two editions, it's all one tournament.
* Max 40 points in the group stage
* Max 16 points in the 2nd round
* Max 40 points in the Quarter finals to winner stage

I still haven't had/taken the opportunity to post the new standings and insert the recent predictions, but will do so next Tuesday or Wednesday. In the meanwhile: keep the predictions for the quarterfinals through the final coming!

[BreizhManu]

SEMI: Milan, Lyon, Chelsea, Juventus
FINAL: Milan, Chelsea
WINNER: Milan

[MIJB#19]

Standings in the second round:
14 - Cartman
14 - Critch
12 - Katon
12 - KeyserSoze
10 - 3ric
10 - Atatange1
10 - Moriarity
10 - Scholes
08 - Chief Rum
08 - Crapshoot
06 - BreizhManu
06 - Fantastic Flying Froggies
06 - Northwood_DK
04 - Desnudo
04 - MIJB#19

Standings goining into the quarter finals:
36 - Critch
36 - Moriarity
33 - Katon
32 - Atatange1
32 - Cartman
32 - Crapshoot
31 - BreizhManu
30 - Chief Rum
28 - Desnudo
28 - Fantastic Flying Froggies
27 - Scholes
24 - Rufusjonz
21 - ArlingtonColt
20 - Bhlloy
20 - Cards4ever
20 - MIJB#19
19 - Alf
17 - HornedFrogPurple
12 - KeyserSoze
10 - 3ric
06 - Northwood_DK


Feel free to keep joining!

[cartman]

woot! Strange thing is, I'm doing better this year, after I've moved back to the US, than I did last year when I was living in Europe... :D

[Alf]

Semis :
Milan AC vs Lyon
Bayern vs Juventus

Final :
Lyon vs Juventus

Winner : Juventus

[MIJB#19]

Little Bump.
Tomorrow (Tuesday, April 5th) the first two quarterfinals games will be played.

[Alf]

FYI Lyon is 11 points ahead of 2nd place team in France with 7 games remaining, so they will likemy focus on Champions League.

[Crapshoot]

Damnit- must come back.

Okay - going to go heart vs head again.

Milan AC
Olympique Lyon
Chelsea
Liverpool (total faith pick :D)

Milan beats Lyon
Liverpool beats Chelsea

Milan beats Liverpool

[Desnudo]

US TV Line-up (EST)

Tuesday, April 5, 2005
ESPN2
2:30 pm EST (LIVE)
UEFA Champions League
Liverpool vs. Juventus FC
Anfield Stadium (Liverpool) Liverpool, England


Wednesday, April 6, 2005
ESPN2
2:30 pm EST (LIVE)
UEFA Champions League
Chelsea vs. Bayern Munich
Stamford Bridge (Chelsea) London, England


Thursday, April 7, 2005
ESPN2
6:00 am EST
UEFA Champions League
AC Milan vs. FC Internazionale Milano
Stadio Giuseppe Meazza Milan, Italy

[atatange1]

Quarterfinals
Milan AC vs. Inter
Olympique Lyon vs. PSV (Eindhoven)
Chelsea vs. Bayern (Munchen)
Liverpool vs. Juventus

Semifinals
Milan AC vs. Olympique Lyon
Chelsea vs. Juventus

Final
Juve vs Lyon

Juve

[Desnudo]

Juventus and Liverpool kick off in a few minutes. I wonder if Gerrard will start again at striker. My prediction: 0-0 or 0-1, Juve.

[ice4277]

*****SPOILER*****
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Crap, that Luis Garcia goal was incredible. Has to be one of the top goals of the year. Liverpool have really put themselves in a good position here, it will be interesting to see how Juventus plays the last hour.

[Desnudo]

Not the prettiest first half. Some nice goals, but the rest was pretty ugly. Hopefully things will settle down in the 2nd.

[fantastic flying froggies]

And Juve scores the oh so important away goal...

In the other game, Lyon is holding on to a 1-0 lead...

[Crapshoot]

damnit Pool- justify my faith!

[Desnudo]

Man, that was horrible passing by both teams. I lost count of the balls passed straight to the other team's defenders.

[Crapshoot]

So, without looking, am I the only one who picked Liverpool to go through ?

[MIJB#19]

And Juve scores the oh so important away goal...

In the other game, Lyon is holding on to a 1-0 lead...Jinxed!

So, without looking, am I the only one who picked Liverpool to go through ?Yes, you are.


Lyon 1, PSV 1
Liverpool 2, Juventus 1
It's all still wide open...

[MIJB#19]

Looks like the gamble on Liverpool is going to pay off for Crapshoot.
And so is my gamble on PSV... If they can beat the team from Milano.

[Alf]

Semis :
Milan AC vs Lyon
Bayern vs Juventus

Final :
Lyon vs Juventus

Winner : Juventus drats, I missed on Milan AC :)

[cartman]

True to form, Inter utterly falls apart.

[MIJB#19]

An early spoiler, we've got only two contenders left for the title of best UEFA Champions' League 2004/2005 tipper. The one person is most likely to win it all, unless PSV and Liverpool both reach the final, in which case the second contender wins the overall standings. Additionally, we've got seven contenders left for the 1-2-3 rankings. April 26th and 27th we'll know a bit more about who to expect to see win this thing.

By the way, it's a good season to be a Dutch soccer fan, we're having semi-finalists in both European competitions (PSV in the Champions' League, AZ in the UEFA Cup). England (Liverpool and Chelsea in the Champions' League) and Italy (Milan AC in the Champions' League, Parma in the UEFA Cup) have two each as well, Portugal (Sporting CP) and Russia (CSKA Moskva) are still represented in the UEFA Cup with one team.

[MIJB#19]

Little update on the day before the final, the final will decide who the 2004/2005 predictions champion will be. We still have the same two candidates left for the title, but I won't reveal who they are. Just to avoid giving away the potential heart breaking news in advance, I kee the secrecy and wait with posting the final scores until Thursday morning.

[MIJB#19]

Final Standings For 2004/2005
Okay, it came down to the last penalty kick to decide the champion of this season and I have to say that the eventual runner-up may want to re-think his supportering of Liverpool, since an AC Milan win would have given him the predictions title. First the scores for the quarterfinals through final stage.
28 Crapshoot
25 moriarity
24 Scholes
20 MIJB#19
19 Katon
15 atatange1
15 BreizhManu
15 cartman
15 Desnudo
10 Critch
10 fantastic flying froggies
05 Alf

And without further yadda-yadda, the final standings for the 2004/2005 season:
61 moriarity
60 Crapshoot
52 Katon
51 Scholes
47 atatange1
47 cartman
46 BreizhManu
46 Critch
43 Desnudo
40 MIJB#19
38 fantastic flying froggies
30 Chief Rum
24 Alf
24 rufusjonz
21 ArlingtonColt
20 bhlloy
20 Cards4ever
17 HornedFrog Purple
12 KeyserSoze
10 3ric
06 Norhwood_DK

Moriarity is the new champion of FOFC in UEFA Champions' League prediction!

[Alf]

I suck. That's it !

[moriarty]

Final Standings For 2004/2005
Okay, it came down to the last penalty kick to decide the champion of this season and I have to say that the eventual runner-up may want to re-think his supportering of Liverpool, since an AC Milan win would have given him the predictions title. First the scores for the quarterfinals through final stage.
28 Crapshoot
25 moriarity
24 Scholes
20 MIJB#19
19 Katon
15 atatange1
15 BreizhManu
15 cartman
15 Desnudo
10 Critch
10 fantastic flying froggies
05 Alf

And without further yadda-yadda, the final standings for the 2004/2005 season:
61 moriarity
60 Crapshoot
52 Katon
51 Scholes
47 atatange1
47 cartman
46 BreizhManu
46 Critch
43 Desnudo
40 MIJB#19
38 fantastic flying froggies
30 Chief Rum
24 Alf
24 rufusjonz
21 ArlingtonColt
20 bhlloy
20 Cards4ever
17 HornedFrog Purple
12 KeyserSoze
10 3ric
06 Norhwood_DK

Moriarity is the new champion of FOFC in UEFA Champions' League prediction!

Something doesn't look right. If Crapshoot was ahead of me and he picked Liverpool whereas I picked AC Milan ... I would think he would win.

Even if I came in second, I'll happily concede knowing that Liverpool won the CL. In fact I picked against my favorite team every round .... shows what a true fan i am. :(

[Crapshoot]

Damn IT!! Na, I'm much happier supporting Liverpool... :D

[Crapshoot]

Something doesn't look right. If Crapshoot was ahead of me and he picked Liverpool whereas I picked AC Milan ... I would think he would win.

Even if I came in second, I'll happily concede knowing that Liverpool won the CL. In fact I picked against my favorite team every round .... shows what a true fan i am. :(

I'm kinda curious as well- since we both picked 3 semi-finalists correctly, and I picked the finalists correctly.

[MIJB#19]

Crapshoot picked AC Milan to beat Liverpool in his prediction above.Milan beats Liverpool

Maybe it would have been fair to have posted the scoring system again. The big decission maker is being spot on and being close. Let's give the table with Prediction (pr), Actual round (ar), points scored (ps). (01 = winner, 02 = finalist, 03 = in semis, 05 = quarter finalists)

pr ar ps
01 01 13
01 02 06
01 03 02
01 05 00
02 01 06
02 02 11
02 03 02
02 05 00
03 01 02
03 02 03
03 03 07
03 05 00
05 01 00
05 02 00
05 03 00
05 05 03


Points breakdown by team for Moriarity and Crapshoot:
M. C. team
06 06 Milan
00 06 Liverpool
07 00 PSV
03 07 Chelsea
03 03 Inter
03 00 Lyon
03 03 Bayern
00 03 Juventus
25 28 (all)
36 32 (previous rounds)
61 60 (total)

Being completely right gives a huge advantage here, while being semi-right will cost you about half of the points. Had Milan beaten Liverpool, Crapshoot would have gotten 12 points more, Moriarity only 7 more. Bitch about the scoring system, but that's what I've used the previous two seasons as well.

[MIJB#19]

Okay, I stand corrected by myself, te scoring system is the same as last season (2003/2004) as I used the same spreadsheet, however in 2002/2003 there was a different scoring system due to the CL competition format being different as well.
Clearly my statement above that the quarter finals through final stage would give a max of 40 points wis incorrect as well, the perfect score adds up to 50 points.

[Crapshoot]

Didnt mean to bitch dude- sorry for giving that impression. I don't understand the system, that's all. The same result can result in different points for both parties ? No big deal, in any case.

[MIJB#19]

The 'bitch' part wasn't as a serious comment as it may have looked. I realized I forgot to post the scoring system only now and figured it could have been confusing. I hope everything is clear now and you both (Crapshoot, Moriarity) can be happy about the final score of yesterday's game. The rest can still bitch about the scoring system, afterall, they didn't win. ;)

[moriarty]

Crapshoot picked AC Milan to beat Liverpool in his prediction above.
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Ahh, I didn't look all the way back (I was going by his comment that he was the only one to pick Liverpool all the way through).

Anyways, I love a good controversy. :D Plus i like bumping any thread where i actually win something along with my favorite team.