Is 9/11 a day of celebration now or what?

[Balldog]

Okay so Saturday night on my way home from watching the Ohio State game at a friends house, I notice Fricker's actually has something on their sign.

It says:
Live Entertainment
Some Band Name
Three Drink Minimum

Now this Fricker's has never had this kind of thing before. I guess I just kind of find it offensive in a way, maybe I am wrong in my thinking.

Thoughts?

[stevew]

It was saturday tho. Is that their normal protocal? Also, did anyone get paid time and a half for Patriot Day? Just wondering if it has achieved status like the other holidays yet.

[Desnudo]

Thoughts:

1. You were enjoying a "celebration" yourself, a Big Ten college football game. How is this different than going to see a band at bar?

2. This bar probably decided to run a special because of all the people at the football game.

3. If a bar can't run specials on 9/11 anymore, the terrorists have won.

[Swaggs]

Could be that it is just going for the early season student crowd and it was a Saturday?

[Klinglerware]

I was in NYC on Saturday night for my birthday. The bars and restaurants were all packed. This weekend was the first weekend after Labor Day, when all the New Yorkers who go away for summer weekends are all suddenly back in town and itching to go out--very little somberness as far as I can tell. You gotta figure that if people in NYC feel that it's okay to start living their lives normally again, it should be okay for the rest of us...

[rkmsuf]

Okay so Saturday night on my way home from watching the Ohio State game at a friends house, I notice Fricker's actually has something on their sign.

It says:
Live Entertainment
Some Band Name
Three Drink Minimum

Now this Fricker's has never had this kind of thing before. I guess I just kind of find it offensive in a way, maybe I am wrong in my thinking.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

By linking to two events in your mind you are going completely insane?

[cthomer5000]

it was a beautiful weekend in NYC too. I frankly didn't enough know saturday was the 11th until someone told me, but that's because I was buried in work all week.

There's nothing wrong with living your life normally on 9/11.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Thoughts?

If there was nothing specific to 9/11 on the sign, then I don't really see anything offensive about it.

[panerd]

it was a beautiful weekend in NYC too. I frankly didn't enough know saturday was the 11th until someone told me, but that's because I was buried in work all week.

There's nothing wrong with living your life normally on 9/11.

Not trying to flame you here, but unless you didn't read a newspaper or watch television all week I am having trouble seeing how you couldn't have known it was Spetember 11th. (Especially in New York City)

[rkmsuf]

Not trying to flame you here, but unless you didn't read a newspaper or watch television all week I am having trouble seeing how you couldn't have known it was Spetember 11th. (Especially in New York City)

what like he's lying or something?

[sachmo71]

My wife asked me the same question on Saturday.

Some places were flying flags at half mast, some at full. One C store had a 9/11 sale.
It's up to the government on how they want to handle it, but I can tell you that I spent the day with my family, remembering how we came to be where we are today and trying my best to hope for a better future for my kids.

Is that a celebration? It's a day for memories for me and mine.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Not trying to flame you here, but unless you didn't read a newspaper or watch television all week I am having trouble seeing how you couldn't have known it was Spetember 11th. (Especially in New York City)

Not trying to flame you here either, but ...athough I imagine the coverage was indeed different in NYC, I could pretty easily believe the date didn't get a lot of media-induced top of mind awareness with someone.

I'm all over newspaper sites pretty much everyday & noticed maybe 2 stories all week about the anniversary & I think I saw 2 more on Saturday itself (one about observances at sporting events & one about a Bush comment) If anything, I remember being a little surprised that the amount of media coverage about the date was so low-key.

So, at least from my own experiences the past week or so, I can believe someone wasn't particularly aware of the date.

[hhiipp]

Have you ever been to a bar to see a band on the same date as the attack on Pearl Harbor? It's basically the same idea only that you were alive during the 9/11 attacks.

It's not as though they had a big sign out that said "Come celebrate 9/11 with us!! Band & 3 drink minimum!!"

People want to live their lives, not dwell on something shitty that happened 3 years ago.

[WSUCougar]

No flames intended here either, but I find it sad that people didn't realize that the date was 9/11.

[stevew]

I was gonna post a thread about why there were no 9/11 threads posted. Then i figured that it would just break into some mindless diatribes about bush, and kerry, and the "who shoulda done what sooner" stuff.

[hhiipp]

No flames intended here either, but I find it sad that people didn't realize that the date was 9/11.
On any normal day of the week if someone walked up to me and said, "Whats the date?" I'd have to think about it or look at a calendar.

[WSUCougar]

...and for this particular date, I find that sad. The date "9/11" is forever seared into my memory.

[rkmsuf]

on 7/11 I think of Slurpees

[hhiipp]

Yeah, it is pretty sad when not every person walking down the street knows what the date is. I guess we should all set up Outlook calendar notifications on 9/11 to remind us so we can be sad and grieve with you. *sigh*

[Balldog]

I was thinking there might have been a 9/11 reference on the sign as well, I'm going to have to make a point to drive by after work and see it is still up.

To whomever asked if this was the norm for this place, as far as I know this is the first time in the 10+ years it has been open that they have had such an event.

[WSUCougar]

Yeah, it is pretty sad when not every person walking down the street knows what the date is. I guess we should all set up Outlook calendar notifications on 9/11 to remind us so we can be sad and grieve with you. *sigh*
Hey, stick your sarcasm in your ear. All I said was it makes ME sad, and that no flames were intended to anyone else. Yet you have to go and be an ass about it. Well, here's the unedited version:

Shame on you for blundering along through life in your ignorant bliss. Saturday was Patriot Day, the anniversary of one of the most tragic events in our nation's history. Wake the hell up and think about it.

[KWhit]

Hell yeah, Coug.

[Dutch]

Hell yeah, Coug.

Ditto.

[JeeberD]

Saturday I went to watch my four year old niece play her first soccer game and the field was right next to DFW Airport. It was weird watching plane after plane after plane come in for a landing and thinking about all the people in them...and thinking about the people who perished three years ago...

[sovereignstar]

People want to live their lives, not dwell on something shitty that happened 3 years ago.
Hell yeah, hhiipp.

[sterlingice]

Can any of you "millitant" 9/11 advocates tell me the day of any of the following:

Oklahoma City bombing
Challenger explosion
JFK's assassination

I know it was recent and I know it was huge but if the media hadn't jumped all over calling it "9-11", I doubt you could even tell me what day it was? I guess it's all a matter of perspective: you think that it's so much more transcendant than any other of these events whereas some of us view it as more of a continuum.

I just get this feeling from some people that if I'm not spending the entire day lighting a candle, one for each and every person I don't know. Now, I know that sounds cold, but it wasn't something that struck me personally so I can't feel about it the way you all did if you knew someone there.

And, while you're sitting there yelling about how I'm an insensitive lout who doesn't care about anything, keep in mind that you just sound like when pro-choicers and pro-lifers don't understand why I don't care for either of their causes. Most people respond with a fierce apathy when I'm being scolded like a little child.

Shame on you for blundering along through life in your ignorant bliss. Saturday was Patriot Day, the anniversary of one of the most tragic events in our nation's history. Wake the hell up and think about it. I think I'm curious about this. How is it "Patriot Day"? I guess you could say the police, firefighters, regular citizens were patriots. But it seems a little flimsy to me. Where's William Saffire when I need him?

SI

[Suicane75]

Excellent post.

Can any of you "millitant" 9/11 advocates tell me the day of any of the following:

Oklahoma City bombing
Challenger explosion
JFK's assassination

I know it was recent and I know it was huge but if the media hadn't jumped all over calling it "9-11", I doubt you could even tell me what day it was? I guess it's all a matter of perspective: you think that it's so much more transcendant than any other of these events whereas some of us view it as more of a continuum.

I just get this feeling from some people that if I'm not spending the entire day lighting a candle, one for each and every person I don't know. Now, I know that sounds cold, but it wasn't something that struck me personally so I can't feel about it the way you all did if you knew someone there.

And, while you're sitting there yelling about how I'm an insensitive lout who doesn't care about anything, keep in mind that you just sound like when pro-choicers and pro-lifers don't understand why I don't care for either of their causes. Most people respond with a fierce apathy when I'm being scolded like a little child.

I think I'm curious about this. How is it "Patriot Day"? I guess you could say the police, firefighters, regular citizens were patriots. But it seems a little flimsy to me. Where's William Saffire when I need him?

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

...and for this particular date, I find that sad. The date "9/11" is forever seared into my memory.

Yeah, it's seared into my memory too.

But that only comes into play if I happen to know the date ... not as in "what day did X happen", but rather as in "what is today's date".

There's a difference in the two.

The difference in the two is something I've dealt with for over a decade -- it's how I find not giving my (eventual) wife something on a particular Valentine's Day perfectly excusable. It's not that I didn't know the date of Valentine's Day ... it's that I didn't realize that particular date had rolled around

[JonInMiddleGA]

Saturday was Patriot Day, the anniversary of one of the most tragic events in our nation's history.

It's been given a name now?

[sovereignstar]

"Patriot" Day? Anyone know where one can find a puking emoticon?

[rkmsuf]

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/image/2002/other/2brady020302.jpg

[WSUCougar]

I didn't name it, guys...
Patriot Day, 2003
By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation

Two years ago, more than 3,000 innocent people lost their lives when a calm September morning was shattered by terrorists driven by hatred and destruction.

On that day, and in its aftermath, we saw the greatness of America in the bravery of victims; in the heroism of first responders who laid down their lives to save others; in the compassion of people who stepped forward to help those they had never met; and in the generosity of millions of Americans who enriched our country with acts of service and kindness. Since that day, we have seen the greatness of America further demonstrated in the courage of our brave men and women in uniform who have served and sacrificed in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and around the world to advance freedom and prevent terrorist attacks on America.

As we remember September 11, 2001, we reaffirm the vows made in the earliest hours of our grief and anger. As liberty's home and defender, America will not tire, will not falter, and will not fail in fighting for the safety and security of the American people and a world free from terrorism. We will continue to bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to them. This Patriot Day, we hold steady to this task.

By a joint resolution approved December 18, 2001 (Public Law 107-89), the Congress has designated September 11 of each year as "Patriot Day."

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim September 11, 2003, as Patriot Day. I call upon the people of the United States to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies and activities, including remembrance services and candlelight vigils. I also call upon the Governors of the United States and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, as well as appropriate officials of all units of government, to direct that the flag be flown at half-staff on Patriot Day. In addition, I call upon all Americans to display the flag at half-staff from their homes on that day and to observe a moment of silence beginning at 8:46 a.m. eastern daylight time to honor the innocent victims who lost their lives as a result of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fourth day of September, in the year of our Lord two thousand three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twenty-eighth.

GEORGE W. BUSH

[JonInMiddleGA]

I didn't name it, guys...

I'm not blaming you Coug, and I don't really have a problem with the name.

Your earlier post is just honestly & truly the first time I've ever heard it/seen it used.

[sterlingice]

I didn't name it, guys...
Well, I didn't think anyone was under the impression that you did http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

SI

[Ben E Lou]

Your earlier post is just honestly & truly the first time I've ever heard it/seen it used.Same.

[WSUCougar]

Can any of you "millitant" 9/11 advocates tell me the day of any of the following:

Oklahoma City bombing
Challenger explosion
JFK's assassination

I know it was recent and I know it was huge but if the media hadn't jumped all over calling it "9-11", I doubt you could even tell me what day it was? I guess it's all a matter of perspective: you think that it's so much more transcendant than any other of these events whereas some of us view it as more of a continuum.

I just get this feeling from some people that if I'm not spending the entire day lighting a candle, one for each and every person I don't know. Now, I know that sounds cold, but it wasn't something that struck me personally so I can't feel about it the way you all did if you knew someone there.

And, while you're sitting there yelling about how I'm an insensitive lout who doesn't care about anything, keep in mind that you just sound like when pro-choicers and pro-lifers don't understand why I don't care for either of their causes. Most people respond with a fierce apathy when I'm being scolded like a little child.
SI
For what it's worth, I don't consider myself a "militant 9/11 advocate." My personal opinion, however, is that it's a sad thing when a segment of American society has already forgotten that day to the point where its anniversary is irrelevant. To me, the point of the matter is that we all should know what date that event occurred.

I don't want to fight about it, I just personally find that mindset distressing. And I'm seriously trying to word this so I don't offend anyone.

[ISiddiqui]

Saturday was Patriot Day, the anniversary of one of the most tragic events in our nation's history. Wake the hell up and think about it.

In addition to the excellent post above, do you circle the date of Pearl Harbor and are sad when people don't stop and think about it? I'd say that day was worse than 9/11. At the very least in Pearl Harbor, we had some doubts about whether we might win the thing.

[WSUCougar]

Actually, I do reflect on the historical significance of December 7th. But then I'm a military history major/geek, so I might be the wrong one to ask.

[cthomer5000]

Not trying to flame you here, but unless you didn't read a newspaper or watch television all week I am having trouble seeing how you couldn't have known it was Spetember 11th. (Especially in New York City)I knew we were in range, but didn't notice it was the day. I'd been getting to work early and leaving late all week. I even share the same offices as the radio station 1010 WINS and still didn't realize it was september 11th until someone mentioned it around 2pm Saturday while we were discussing attendance numbers at an event I was overseeing for work.

I watch about 1/2 hour of TV per day (sportscenter), and can often go 10 days without reading a physical newspaper. What news I get is usually online or on radio, and I just had much less time than usual in the days preceding 9/11.

edit - 1/2 = 1/2 hour

[JonInMiddleGA]

To me, the point of the matter is that we all should know what date that event occurred.

And, just for the sake of discussion (not argument), I don't know if you'll get a whole lot of serious disagreement about that.

Where I think we may disagree is somewhere around the area of "how aware of the date on any given day" is the average person. In other words, if someone isn't particularly conscious of 9/10 or 9/12 taking place/ coming up, then why would they know that it was 9/11?

I'm notoriously bad with dates, but I know relatively few people who have constant awareness of the date at a given moment -- they have to look at a calendar, ask the cashier, etc. when writing a check.

[cthomer5000]

...and for this particular date, I find that sad. The date "9/11" is forever seared into my memory.
yeah, mine too. It still doesn't stop the date from slipping my mind. You are apparently super-human.

[stevew]

I believe 2004 calenders have it listed as patriot day on them. I wouldnt have known/remembered that is what it is called otherwise.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I believe 2004 calenders have it listed as patriot day on them. I wouldnt have known/remembered that is what it is called otherwise.

goes to check calendar

Nope, or at least not all of them.

My 2005 "Las Vegas" calendar has a (pre-explosion) picture of the WTC on the date, along with the words "We Will Never Forget".

[stevew]

Well, obviously your calendars are made by terrorists, and aim to deceive then :)

[cthomer5000]

Shame on you for blundering along through life in your ignorant bliss. Saturday was Patriot Day, the anniversary of one of the most tragic events in our nation's history. Wake the hell up and think about it.
I think you missed the point completely. It wasn't that 9/11 didn't ring a bell, it's that I didn't know it was 9/11.

And I've done and do plenty of thinking about what heppened that day. I get off the train next to the crater downton quite regularly. I spent half that day trying to find friends who worked in the immediate area.

Don't confuse not knowing the date with not respecting the day.

[WSUCougar]

Just so we're clear, cthomer, that quote wasn't for you, but the other poster who chose to stir it up with me. And I'm not thinking of people with daily reminders (such as yourself) of that tragic day.

[duckman]

Oklahoma City bombing
Challenger explosion
JFK's assassination
1. April 19, 1995
2. January 28, 1986
3. November 5, 1964

[Chief Rum]

1. April 19, 1995
2. January 28, 1986
3. November 5, 1964

I thought JFK got shot on Nov. 23? Glad to see my memory of the Challenger explosion date is still on the mark.

Also, it was 1963.

I'm not a military history geek, but I never pass December 7, June 6 or August 6 & 14 witout thinking of the events of those days. I now think of 9/11 in much the same way.

But that's just me.

CR

[Qwikshot]

If it didn't directly affect you or someone you know, then with every year it begins to pale in memory than to those who did directly get affected by it.

I remember being a freshman in college and watching the news story of the Oklahoma City bombing.

I remember being in grade school and hearing the announcement over the loudspeaker about Challenger, and then coming home to every channel replaying it. I also recall that I was personally selected to watch the following space shuttle flight and to inform the principal if it successfully reached orbit (kind of a sick thing when I think about it, because of having to witness it alone if another tragedy would've occurred).

I remember being awakened by my ex-girlfriend (then my girlfriend) that my mom was on the phone and telling me to put on the television and watching a plane go into the world trade center tower. I remember then getting into my car and listening on the radio LIVE when a plane struck at the Pentagon.

But Saturday I was out and about, a bachelor party in Atlantic City, on sunday, while all of us drove home, we took a wrong turn and wound up heading nearly into New York City (it's a long story and less interesting)...and only then did I really think about it.

One of my fraternity brothers lost his mother on the tower. For him, I'm sure Saturday was different.

[Ben E Lou]

JFK was shot on November 22nd. That one's easy. It is my sister and nephew's birthday. (Yeah, she had a kid on her birthday.)

[duckman]

I thought JFK got shot on Nov. 23? Glad to see my memory of the Challenger explosion date is still on the mark.

Also, it was 1963.

CR
I was trying to do it off the top of my head. :)