A's - Rangers Craziness

[kingfc22]

DAMN!!! Just turned this on and saw the end of some melee between the Oakland fans and the Rnagers bullpen/team.

Some F***er on the Rangers threw a chair INTO the stands hitting two people in the head. I hope they sue whoever it was because the replay shows his face pretty clearly, but I'm not familiar with the Rangers roster so I couldn't tell you who it is.

[Bad-example]

FRom ESPN:

OAKLAND, Calif. -- Texas reliever Frank Francisco threw a chair at a fan in a lower box to the left of the Rangers' bullpen along the right-field line in the ninth inning against the Oakland Athletics on Monday night.

The chair hit one man in the head, then bounced and clobbered a woman in the side of the head on her left temple.

The Rangers sprinted out of their dugout with two outs in the top of the ninth and reliever Doug Brocail could be seen screaming at a male fan. Brocail had to be restrained by his teammates and bullpen coach Mark Connor, and others also had to be held back.

Security ran to the scene and a small section of fans was cleared from their seats.

The incident caused a 19-minute delay.

A's manager Ken Macha came across the field to speak to Dave Rinetti, vice president of stadium operations, before play resumed.

[Sun Tzu]

I saw the clip. It looked like the "one man" was doing his best to provoke Brocail. I don't see any reason for anybody to throw chairs, but that fan looked like a huge puss sitting behind that security guard while it took 4 guys to hold Brocail back from tearing him a new asshole. This may not be the politically correct response to the situation, but that's what I got from it. Sucks the lady got hit in the head by the chair, that should have never happened. It obviously wasn't thrown at her, but that's besides the point.

[JeeberD]

Crazy...

[Balldog]

DAMN!!! Just turned this on and saw the end of some melee between the Oakland fans and the Rnagers bullpen/team.

Some F***er on the Rangers threw a chair INTO the stands hitting two people in the head. I hope they sue whoever it was because the replay shows his face pretty clearly, but I'm not familiar with the Rangers roster so I couldn't tell you who it is.

*start sarcasm*
I'm sure the Rangers bullpen is responsible for this and started the fight.
*end sarcasm*

Apparently something was done by a fan.

By the way, I'm pretty sure it was Francisco Cordero who threw the chair then came in to the game in the bottom of the 10th and blew the save and the game.

[Ksyrup]

Different Francisco.

I wouldn't be surprised if Frank Francisco gets charged with battery or something along those lines. In addition to being sued for more than his minimum salary can afford.

[wade moore]

Different Francisco.

I wouldn't be surprised if Frank Francisco gets charged with battery or something along those lines. In addition to being sued for more than his minimum salary can afford.


As well he should.

In real life it is not acceptable to attack someone because they tease you, and it is even less so for a professional athlete during a game.

The book should be thrown at him.

[Crapshoot]

I dunno- I think some of the jackasses I see at ballparks, and I wonder at what point restraint has to give way to telling them to shut the fuck up.

[Cards4ever]

The Rangers should have called security if fans were out of line, plain and simple. How many examples of this nonsense do athletes need before they learn this lesson? Players belong on the field, fans belong in the stands and no things should be thrown on the field/court/ice, and I thought the players already knew they shouldn't throw a chair in the stands.

[Ksyrup]

and I thought the players already knew they shouldn't throw a chair in the stands.
It's not specifically mentioned in the CBA, I bet.

[rkmsuf]

Without the weapons ban, fans and bullpens alike should feel free to bring their machine guns.

No matter what the fan said, a chair should not be thrown. You don't see Davis Love firing a sand wedge into the crowd.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Frankie is my hero. Should have gone with the heater with the chair instead of the slider.

[Ksyrup]

No matter what the fan said, a chair should not be thrown. You don't see Davis Love firing a sand wedge into the crowd.
That still wouldn't be enough to get me interested in watching golf.

[Cards4ever]

Following the Lesnar way, the Big Show is leaving the WWE to join the PGA, the greens will never be the same.

[Balldog]

With the little amount of information being released, how do we know something wasn't thrown at the player first?

[Desnudo]

That still wouldn't be enough to get me interested in watching golf.

What about if Davis Love punched out Bob Barker? As for taking abuse, throwing a chair into the arena stands sounds like a hockey move from the 70's. If that guy gets provoked in Oakland, he'd lose his mind in Boston or New York.

"I saw the clip. It looked like the "one man" was doing his best to provoke Brocail. I don't see any reason for anybody to throw chairs, but that fan looked like a huge puss sitting behind that security guard while it took 4 guys to hold Brocail back from tearing him a new asshole. This may not be the politically correct response to the situation, but that's what I got from it. Sucks the lady got hit in the head by the chair, that should have never happened. It obviously wasn't thrown at her, but that's besides the point."

If the fan looks like a puss, what does the Ranger who threw a chair at him from the safety of the bullpen surrounded by his teammates look like? BTW, the woman suffered a broken nose and cuts to the face.

[Sun Tzu]

If the fan looks like a puss, what does the Ranger who threw a chair at him from the safety of the bullpen surrounded by his teammates look like? BTW, the woman suffered a broken nose and cuts to the face.

I thought I made it pretty clear that the guy who threw the chair was an idiot, and that it's a shame that the lady got hit in the head. Exactly what percentage of my post did you read?

[Desnudo]

I thought I made it pretty clear that the guy who threw the chair was an idiot, and that it's a shame that the lady got hit in the head. Exactly what percentage of my post did you read?

100% of your post. What pecentage of your post did you read before you posted it? The exact percentage of your post that I can tell describes any of the Rangers actions as idiotic is 0%. Please point out where I missed it. I don't think it's clear at all. It sounded to me like you were saying, to paraphrase, oops too bad it hurt the lady instead of the guy, but the guy definitely deserved a chair in the head.

[Sun Tzu]

I don't see any reason for anybody to throw chairs....

that should have never happened. It obviously wasn't thrown at her, but that's besides the point.

???

[QuikSand]

What activity on the part of one or more fans would justify a player throwing a chair into the stands?

Is there really someone saying that this is okay behavior, as long as __________ happened? What if they threw batteries? What if they insulted his mother? So what?

[Sun Tzu]

Your apology is accepted Desnudo, your mistake.

[Cards4ever]

With the little amount of information being released, how do we know something wasn't thrown at the player first?


So, that makes it ok to whip a chair up into the crowd?

[Sun Tzu]

I don't think anybody here thinks it was ok to "whip a chair up into the crowd". I figure if you accuse anybody here of thinking/saying that, you're just being an ass and you need to sit back down.

[Cards4ever]

I'm asking a question, so, lighten up Francis.

[Sun Tzu]

Exactly what kind of answer are you expecting after a question like that?

[Balldog]

So, that makes it ok to whip a chair up into the crowd?

None really, but all the blame is being put on the players. Where the hell was security before it got to that point? Obviously something happened to make these guys snap.

[Balldog]

"From what I understand, there was some calls made to security early during the game but I have no idea what started it out there," crew chief Joe Brinkman said.

From Cnnsi.com

[Cards4ever]

If it was that bad, Showalter could have pulled his team off the field until the section was either cleared or policed.

And I have seen some quotes too:

The Rangers said they had requested extra security in that area earlier in the game, but Rinetti said no request had been made.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/09/14/SPGVL8OK6R1.DTL

And I'm asking you again, do you find anything in what you have seen or read that justifies throwing a chair into the seats?

[Balldog]

I'm not justifying throwing a fucking chair into the seats.

[Cards4ever]

Then don't say things like, "but all the blame is being put on the players. Where the hell was security before it got to that point? Obviously something happened to make these guys snap."

Because the blame is his for throwing a chair up there, unless someone had a gun or something similar and was going to use it.

[Balldog]

So if he had not thrown a chair this whole deal would not be a big deal. My bad.

[Cards4ever]

So if he had not thrown a chair this whole deal would not be a big deal. My bad.


We have a winner!

[Gary Gorski]

So if he had not thrown a chair this whole deal would not be a big deal. My bad.

Exactly - he should have just taken the chair up there and whacked the dude WWF style with it and then the lady wouldn't have gotten hit when it bounced off his dome.

:cool:

[Buddy Grant]

I'm against professional athletes purposefully injuring fans. Highly paid athletes must realize that without these fans many of them would be working on a tractor assembly line or turning cheap tricks in the Bowery area of New York. That being said, fans should also exhibit more respect for the players. Many of these players make more money individually than the gross national product of some small foreign countries, and fans have to realize that with that kind of money comes power. Get on the wrong side of a pro athlete and they could crush you like a bug.

[Huckleberry]

Apparently the Rangers requested extra security and were denied. That's what I've read elsewhere. If true, it changes things just a hair. Obviously ultimate fault lies with the individual, but the Oakland organization will have some questions to answer as well.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am an Astros fan and while I live in Texas, the Rangers are my 3rd favorite AL team behind Boston and Oakland.

[Balldog]

Players getting in a fight with fans means nothing unless a player throws an object at a fan? Guess I am an idiot for having a problem with this.

[MrBug708]

Got a question. Do you think the jerkwad who was taunting Tie Domi deserved to get his ass kicked when he was talking crap and fell in? I think so. Sports fans, in real life, are so of the biggest wussy's out there.

On another note, this game reminds me of the jerkwad drunk Cubs fan that nail Chad Krueter on the head as he stole his helmet

[Ksyrup]

Francisco did get arrested after the game, on the charge of aggravated assault, a felony. Had the Oakland police really been doing a service to the community, though, they would have arrested him right after it happened, thereby preventing the Rangers from possibly using him during the game.

[Cards4ever]

Players getting in a fight with fans means nothing unless a player throws an object at a fan? Guess I am an idiot for having a problem with this.


Look, you ever hear of being the bigger man? If you made that kind of money, would you want to write a check like this idiot is going to have to write to some people in the stands? I've seen this happen before, the bullpen simply gets up, walks on the field and insists that security come down to get rid of the offenders before the game continues.

[Cards4ever]

Apparently the Rangers requested extra security and were denied. That's what I've read elsewhere. If true, it changes things just a hair. Obviously ultimate fault lies with the individual, but the Oakland organization will have some questions to answer as well.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am an Astros fan and while I live in Texas, the Rangers are my 3rd favorite AL team behind Boston and Oakland.


The Stadium manager says they did not, so, who to believe?

[Franklinnoble]

Rangers pitcher arrested, chraged with battery

Posted: Tuesday September 14, 2004 12:19PM; Updated: Tuesday September 14, 2004 12:26PM

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</td></tr></tbody> </table> OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Texas reliever Frank Francisco (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/7327) was arrested Tuesday morning on a charge of aggravated battery after he threw a chair into the right-field box seats and hit two spectators in the head during Monday night's loss to the Oakland Athletics (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/teams/athletics).

One of the fans, an unidentified woman, was bloodied and her nose was broken.

Major League Baseball's commissioner's office said Tuesday morning that it was investigating. Francisco was cooperative after he was taken into custody, Oakland Police Department deputy chief Peter Dunbar said.

With two outs in the ninth inning, the Rangers' Alfonso Soriano (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6154) tied the game 5-5 with his second homer of the night. Moments later, with Hank Blalock (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6871) at the plate, the Texas bench and bullpen cleared.

"Tonight, it went over the line," Rangers manager Buck Showalter said after the game. "It was a real break from the normal trash you hear from fans. We've had problems about every time we've come here."

Texas reliever Doug Brocail (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/4944) was seen screaming at a male fan, and the pitcher had to be restrained by his teammates and bullpen coach Mark Connor. Others also had to be held back.

Francisco threw the chair at a fan in a lower box near the Rangers' bullpen along the right-field line. The chair hit one man in the head, then bounced and struck the woman on her left temple.

Security ran to the scene and a small section of fans was cleared from their seats.

A's manager Ken Macha (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/737) came across the field to speak to Dave Rinetti, vice president of stadium operations, before play resumed 19 minutes later.

There was talk between the umpires and managers of suspending the game, clearing the stands and forfeiting the game.

The Athletics won 7-6 in the 10th inning.

"From what I understand, there was some calls made to security early during the game but I have no idea what started it out there," crew chief Joe Brinkman said.

Rinetti said afterward that the woman was being treated at a hospital for facial cuts and a broken nose. Francisco was escorted by police out an alternate stadium exit after the game and into a car waiting on the field.

Rangers officials did not return calls Tuesday morning.

Brocail declined to comment, and Francisco wasn't around the locker room afterward.

Francisco, 25, was the American League rookie of the month for August, when he was 3-0 with a 1.69 ERA.

The teams meet again Tuesday night in Oakland.

<center>Copyright 2004 Associated Press (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/interactive_legal.html#AP). All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.</center>

[Sun Tzu]

Doug Brocail = 6'5 235

[Bad-example]

This isn't as bad as that time 20 Dodgers invaded the stands and fought a bunch of fans and didn't even get their hat back.

Still, the fans of Oakland continue to offer proof that they don't deserve a MLB team, let alone a quality organization like the A's.

[Crapshoot]

Personally, Im in favor of suspending alcohol sales even earlier in ballgames- and to throwing out jackasses. Your ticket does not and should not give you the right to be a flaming asshole- I hate sitting next to those guys in the stands. You have to be somewhat pathetic to get your willies out of harassing a guy who you know can't respond about his mother, or sister, or worse.

[Franklinnoble]

This isn't as bad as that time 20 Dodgers invaded the stands and fought a bunch of fans and didn't even get their hat back.

Still, the fans of Oakland continue to offer proof that they don't deserve a MLB team, let alone a quality organization like the A's.
I'd love to see the A's re-locate to Sacramento, but I don't think it'll ever happen.

[MrBug708]

This isn't as bad as that time 20 Dodgers invaded the stands and fought a bunch of fans and didn't even get their hat back.

Still, the fans of Oakland continue to offer proof that they don't deserve a MLB team, let alone a quality organization like the A's.

I already beat you to this and it was a Drunk Cubs fan hitting Kreuter's head and stealing his helmet. The DOdgers should have kicked the crap out of that fan, but they had to settle out of court with the fan.

[Bad-example]

I already beat you to this and it was a Drunk Cubs fan hitting Kreuter's head and stealing his helmet. The DOdgers should have kicked the crap out of that fan, but they had to settle out of court with the fan.

The Dodgers had 20 people in the stands, several actively fighting fans. So many suspensions were handed down, the Dodgers would not have been able to field a full team had the league not reduced the penalties. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you feel they were justified in going after the guy.

[MrBug708]

I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you feel they were justified in going after the guy.

What the fuck does that mean? The guy hit Krueter. I didn't know the DOdgers were ganging raping one player

Wait, I just saw where you live. The part of the country that has fans that throw batteries at players AND other fans.

[Cards4ever]

Personally, Im in favor of suspending alcohol sales even earlier in ballgames- and to throwing out jackasses. Your ticket does not and should not give you the right to be a flaming asshole- I hate sitting next to those guys in the stands. You have to be somewhat pathetic to get your willies out of harassing a guy who you know can't respond about his mother, or sister, or worse.

I agree with this 100% too.

[Bad-example]

The DOdgers should have kicked the crap out of that fan

Sounds like a ringing endorsement of their decision to enter the stands. Again, not too surprising considering the source. Aren't you the guy that admits he fantasizes about Bonds getting nailed by pitches?

[Cards4ever]

I already beat you to this and it was a Drunk Cubs fan hitting Kreuter's head and stealing his helmet. The DOdgers should have kicked the crap out of that fan, but they had to settle out of court with the fan.

I haven't found anything that says the fan hit him in the head, I just see stuff about the fan stealing his hat, do you think stealing his hat is worth going into the stands?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/08/26/dodgers_court_ap/

[Balldog]

I haven't found anything that says the fan hit him in the head, I just see stuff about the fan stealing his hat, do you think stealing his hat is worth going into the stands?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/08/26/dodgers_court_ap/

The way you talk, it sounds like you have never in your life done anything that you later looked back on with regret. Do you walk on water too?

Its hard to say how you would act in the spur of the moment like that, its a competitive environment and the adrenaline is flowing pretty high for most of these guys. What they did was wrong, I will admit that, but the fans who enticed them were out of line also.

[Cards4ever]

The way you talk, it sounds like you have never in your life done anything that you later looked back on with regret. Do you walk on water too?

Its hard to say how you would act in the spur of the moment like that, its a competitive environment and the adrenaline is flowing pretty high for most of these guys. What they did was wrong, I will admit that, but the fans who enticed them were out of line also.

Not at a stadium I haven't, my Dad would have kicked my ass if I did.

[Ksyrup]

I don't walk on water, but I once tried to. And I regret THAT.

[Suicane75]

I'm gonna be in the minority here, but god damn, I don't blame the dude at all for throwing the chair. I feel bad for the lady, and she should be given something to cover her damages, but for gods sake, it was a firggin broken nose, nut up and get on with your life. You guys act like he pulled out a rifle and started picking off fans. The way that fan was actin in the video, taunting behind security guards, I can easily see why the guy was so pissed off to throw a chair, he shouldn't have done it, but he did, and he'll pay for it, but man, get over it.