OT - Groupthink TCY?

[QuikSand]

From time to time, we here at FOFC have organized a group effort to play one of the FOF games. There have been the "village challenges," where different people take turns managin g a team entirely -- but the GroupThink is different. With GT, there are several people, each with defined roles, who work together to make the decisions for a team. In my experiences with three different FOF GroupThink teams, I've found them to be pretty rewarding -- and occasionally we stumble onto something meaningful in the game itself.

With multi-player FOF being the rage right now, there seems to be a TCY lull, despite the new patch with updated alignments and supposedly some other ingame shifts. I opened it up recently, but the fire didn't really light for me.

I'm wondering if perhaps there might be interest in starting up a multi-participant TCY career of some sort? I don't think I'm looking for a leadership role, but I'd be happy to play some role in this, if there were some interest.

[Ben E Lou]

From time to time, we here at FOFC have organized a group effort to play one of the FOF games. There have been the "village challenges," where different people take turns managin g a team entirely -- but the GroupThink is different. With GT, there are several people, each with defined roles, who work together to make the decisions for a team. In my experiences with three different FOF GroupThink teams, I've found them to be pretty rewarding -- and occasionally we stumble onto something meaningful in the game itself.

With multi-player FOF being the rage right now, there seems to be a TCY lull, despite the new patch with updated alignments and supposedly some other ingame shifts. I opened it up recently, but the fire didn't really light for me.

I'm wondering if perhaps there might be interest in starting up a multi-participant TCY career of some sort? I don't think I'm looking for a leadership role, but I'd be happy to play some role in this, if there were some interest.I'd be interested.

[albionmoonlight]

I'm not into TCY enough to want to commit to a groupthink, but let me just say for anyone thinking of taking Quik up on his offer--groupthinks are a lot of fun. It's neat to get to work with and get to know some of the people on the board. And doing groupthink forced me to think of FOF in ways that I had previously ignored and made me a better player as a result.

Anyone into TCY who is on the fence about doing this--I say do it.

[Huckleberry]

Ditto.

Well, I mean to agree with SkyDog. albion wit da quickness.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm game.

[gstelmack]

It might be cool if the draft files were made available to some of the multiplayer leagues...

[QuikSand]

I think a division of labor makes sense here -- we'd probably want to post the game files somewhere where we can all access them. I think that making one person in charge of running the week-to-week affairs would be pretty rough.

Idea -- if we get a core of people (like 6-8) maybe the thing to do would be to assign specific roles (HC, OC, DC, and position coach/scouts?) and then each person takes one or two turns entering and reporting everything for that week's activities. There will be a fair amount to report back personally - like the recruit responses, which show up in a window but don't get recorded anywhere.

[Vegas Vic]

I'm a big TCY fan, and I'd love to participate if there are enough openings.

[CraigSca]

I'd love to participate - maybe as recruiting coordinator? I kinda stink at gameplanning.

[Balldog]

I'd would enjoy participating as well.

[TredWel]

Count me in.

[CraigSca]

Btw,

I have bandwidth available to post the game files if needed.

[MikeVick7]

I'd be down for contributing as well. I'm hardcore into NCAA 2005 right now but have been looking for an excuse to get my grubby little hands back into TCY again.

[WSUCougar]

I'm interested. I also think a Recruiting Coordinator position would be a good idea.

[cthomer5000]

i'm definitely interested in being involved.

[CraigSca]

Ok...so roles would be defined as follows:

Head coach
offensive coordinator
defensive coordinator
recruiting coordinator
offensive backfield coach
offensive line coach
defensive line coach
linebackers coach
secondary coach

Responsibilities:

Head coach - scheduling, finalize game plan, finalize depth chart, final say on all recommendations

Offensive Coordinator - develop offensive game plan, recommend depth chart, work with position coaches

Defensive Coordinator - same, but from defensive perspective

Position coaches - recommend game plan for their position, recommend depth chart for position, manage time for the respective players, recommend upcoming recruiting needs and type of player to coordinators

Recruiting coordinator - accept input from all coaches for type of player, positions to recruit. Receive recommendations from all. Receive final decisions from head coach.

Did I miss anything?

EDIT: And let me reiterate, this sounds like a blast :)

[QuikSand]

So, let's see here -- looks like we have enough people to get this off the ground.

Here's a first cut of roles to be assigned:

Head Coach (is this even needed?)
Offensive Coordinator
Defensive Coordinator
Recruiting Coordinator
QB coach/scout
Backs coach/scout
Receivers coach/scout
OL coach/scout
DL coach/scout
LB coach/scout
DB coach/scout
Special Teams coach/scout

To me, that's 12 roles -- including the HC, who might just be the overall boss, having a little hand in everything. It looks like we might have enough people to fill 12 slots.

I'm thinking that the Coordinators, with input from position coaches, come up with their "scheme" -- and then the recruiting is based on the strengths we need for the schemes. The Cooridnators would make the game plans, with the depth charts set mostly based on the position coaches' input. Each week's activities woudl be run by the person appointed to be in charge for that week -- with 12 peope, it looks like everyone gets a week to run themselves, which would work out pretty well.


Only thing I can think of that might be useful would be some opposition scouting -- that could be a role for a later addition, or perhaps something that just naturally evolves over time (maybe the HC does this?).

Anyway -- I would be fine with just about any role here, including the Head Coach role, as long as it doesn't involve doing all the weekly activities. (I'll take my own turn, but I don't want to do it all)


How does this setup sound?

[QuikSand]

Craig and I are on the same sheet of music, I see...

[CraigSca]

Personally, I wouldn't even mind doing it all - running the games and posting the results and then uploading them to the web site.

How would an offensive coordinator (for instance) make changes to the gameplan? Post them here, and then it would be my responsibility to input the data by hand? That's my thinking since TCY has no multi-player capability.

[QuikSand]

How would an offensive coordinator (for instance) make changes to the gameplan? Post them here, and then it would be my responsibility to input the data by hand? That's my thinking since TCY has no multi-player capability.

I think that's the only way -- meaning the person who runs the first week will have to do a lot of entering, but after that it ought to be mostly modest tweaking.

[Bee]

I'd like to volunteer to be the 12th man...you know...follow along and criticize all the moves you make, but not really do anything.

[Huckleberry]

I'd like to be the receivers coach/scout.

[Balldog]

Head Coach (is this even needed?)

Head Coach should probably be more of the guy who heads the GT, sims games, does scheduling, inputs gameplans, recruits, etc. all based on the other opinions?

[Vegas Vic]

I'd like to volunteer for LB coach/scout.

[Balldog]

We could also break up the recruiting coordinator into different regions.

[WSUCougar]

I'd be up for the Recruiting Coordinator.

[QuikSand]

Craig - as far as I'm concerned, you've got the Head Coach job. Bandwith and a willingness to carry a real load make you a far stronger candidate than I.

I'll volunteer for the DL job.

[Huckleberry]

Looks like we're moving right along. Of course, the tricky part will be finding a school that nobody who signs up to coach will object to working at. ;)

[Balldog]

I would like to be considered for either the Offensive Coordinator or Defensive Coordinator.

[Buzzbee]

I'd be open to doing scouting reports. That was my role in the FOF4 Kitty Hawk GroupThink and I enjoyed it.

Also, what about academic blocks and allocating them? Half to OC and half to DC to use as they see fit?

[cthomer5000]

I'd be very interested in a recruiting related position specifically, but would participate in any way.

[QuikSand]

Also, what about academic blocks and allocating them? Half to OC and half to DC to use as they see fit?

Perhaps that ought to be a prerogative of the HC, but that sounds like a start.

[Balldog]

Or "Syndicate" Coordinator?

[CraigSca]

Ok, Quik. Since this was your idea, I thought I'd give you the opportunity to run with it (though you did mention in the opening post that you didn't feel up to it).

That being said, I'd be happy to take the job as HC, run the games, post the results as well as maintain the space for the game files.

I've played a number of TCY dynasties, some my own and some posted here. I am by no means a GREAT TCY coach, so I will be relying HEAVILY on my staff :).

Please post your request regarding the job you'd like to take - I'll be filling them on a first come/first served basis.

Head Coach - Craigsca
Offensive Coordinator - Balldog
Defensive Coordinator - MikeVick
Recruiting Coordinator - WSUCougar/cthomer
QB coach/scout - CoffeeWarlord
Backs coach/scout - Icy
Receivers coach/scout - Huckleberry
OL coach/scout - Ravenshawk
DL coach/scout - Quiksand
LB coach/scout - Vegas Vic
DB coach/scout
Special Teams coach/scout
Scouting Team (scouts the upcoming opponent): Buzzbee

Holding spots for (just need you to pick the position): Skydog, Tredwel

[CraigSca]

Balldog, let me know whether you'd like offensive or defensive coordinator.

CThomer, WSUCougar posted recruiting coordinator first - can you pick another role?

[MikeVick7]

I'd be up for either offensive or defensive coordinator positions as well.

[MikeVick7]

Balldog, let me know whether you'd like offensive or defensive coordinator.

CThomer, WSUCougar posted recruiting coordinator first - can you pick another role?
I'll go opposite balldog if there are no other takers.

[CraigSca]

Ok - Balldog picks either offensive or defensive coordinator and MikeVick gets the other position.

[wade moore]

I'd like to volunteer to be the 12th man...you know...follow along and criticize all the moves you make, but not really do anything.

Ditto.

I have committed heavily to group thinks with QS in the past and have had a habit of dissapearing on him. So, this time I will merely follow along...

[cthomer5000]

CThomer, WSUCougar posted recruiting coordinator first - can you pick another role?
you don't think there'd be room for more than 1 person in recruiting? It's a pretty big task. If not, DB coach I guess.

[Raven Hawk]

I'll volunteer to be the OL coach/scout.

[Bee]

Ditto.

I have committed heavily to group thinks with QS in the past and have had a habit of dissapearing on him. So, this time I will merely follow along...

wade,

Do you want the big foam hand or the rainbow colored wig?

:D

[wade moore]

wade,

Do you want the big foam hand or the rainbow colored wig?

:D

wig pls, kthx.

[Icy]

Great this is my first Group think, count on me as Backs coach/scout.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'll take up the QB coaching slot.

Just don't let SkyDog be OC, or else we'll never throw it!

[CraigSca]

Cthomer, I'll throw you into the recruiting role as well. Maybe we'll split recruiting up by state/region etc. You're right, it's probably the biggest job out there.

WSUCougar, do you have any problem with splitting the duties?

[cthomer5000]

Cthomer, I'll throw you into the recruiting role as well. Maybe we'll split recruiting up by state/region etc. You're right, it's probably the biggest job out there.

WSUCougar, do you have any problem with splitting the duties?
I was thinking either a split by offens/defense or (more realisitically) region. I'll be fine with the DB job if WSU wants recruting all to himself.

[Coffee Warlord]

Craig, you've got me and Icy's jobs reversed in the list.

[Raven Hawk]

And you don't have me on the list. :D

[Huckleberry]

He's out of spots with the reserved ones.

[Balldog]

I'll take the OC and Vick can have the DC.

[albionmoonlight]

I assume that all discussion/reports will occur in dynasty threads?

This has the potential of being one of the best dynasties out there.

[WSUCougar]

Cthomer, I'll throw you into the recruiting role as well. Maybe we'll split recruiting up by state/region etc. You're right, it's probably the biggest job out there.

WSUCougar, do you have any problem with splitting the duties?
No, that's cool with me. By region would be wise, I think. Does anyone have handy TCY access for a list of the regions? I want to say:

Northeast
Mid-Atlantic
Southeast
Great Lakes
Deep South
Midwest
Southwest
Northwest

But I think I'm missing one.

[Ben E Lou]

I'd be interested in the Offensive Coordinator spot (and I promise not to run the wishbone.) I usually run the "I" in TCY (although HFP and others lament that I ran the single-back in my Kentucky career on the old board.)

[TredWel]

had to step away from my desk for a minute.

I'll take whatever's left.

[CraigSca]

Ugh, I was afraid this would happen. Seems the "head coach" screwed up and got a couple guys out of order. Unfortunately, that means that the last person that requested a position may be left out (unless they want special teams coach, though I'm not sure that's even a viable option). Unless I'm mistaken, that would mean Icy doesn't have a spot. Can anyone think of something we are missing regarding a phase of the game that would be fun for Icy to handle? Since this is a plan in progress, we may find that we stumble on something we're not aware of now.

Reserved spots are Skydog and Tredwel, and the two spots open are offensive backs and DB coach.

[Ben E Lou]

I'll coach the offensive line, then.

[CraigSca]

Bah, I edited my post, Sky. It's offensive backfield or defensive backs.

[TredWel]

I'll take the defensive backs.

[vex]

If we decide to split the recruting responsibilites up, I'll take the Deep South region.

[Ben E Lou]

Bah, I edited my post, Sky. It's offensive backfield or defensive backs.Offensive backfield soudns GREAT!

[Raven Hawk]

Do we need a Syndicate Coordinator or Athletic Director who is responsible for:

Ticket Prices
Scheduling
Coach Hiring/Firing (to keep us honest and involved)
Retreats to Vegas :)
Academic Reputation

Etc . . .

[MikeVick7]

Do we need a Syndicate Coordinator or Athletic Director who is responsible for:

Ticket Prices
Scheduling
Coach Hiring/Firing (to keep us honest and involved)
Retreats to Vegas :)
Academic Reputation

Etc . . .
I think we definitely would need one.

[Balldog]

SkyDog can be my assistant. ;)

[sovereignstar]

SkyDog can be my assistant. ;)
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[Coffee Warlord]

QB Coach says.

THROW IT!

[General Mike]

I will be the heckler/ internet fan who is mad about every play call win or lose. :D

[Coffee Warlord]

I will be the heckler/ internet fan who is mad about every play call win or lose. :D

There will be no whining about the run and shoot offense we damn well better run. :D

[QuikSand]

You're right, it's probably the biggest job out there.
WSUCougar, do you have any problem with splitting the duties?

My thinking is that each position coach is also primarily responsible for recruiting his own position group -- and that the recruitin coordinator(s) would just oversee all the competing needs and decide where to allocate the visits and such.

Whether that RC job requires one person or more is up to you all -- but I don't think a regional breakdown meshes with this idea very well.


But, if we decide to go with regions (as it seems)... that's okay with me. It might not leave much for the position coaches to do, though.

[larrymcg421]

I think a good idea would be to have an overall recruiting coordinator and then a regional coordinator for each region. The regional coordinators work with the position coaches and provide recommendations to the recruiting coordinator.

[Balldog]

There will be no whining about the run and shoot offense we damn well better run. :D

Hopefully we get a good QB to start with or you better develop one quickly. :p

[MikeVick7]

Has there been any thought process about what program we're going to run into the ground?

[CraigSca]

I realize that recruiting is a big job, but I think the cfoordinators will be tremendously offloaded if the position coaches are partly responsible for finding their particular "gotta have" recruits. Therefore, I think that a combo WSUCougar/cthomer is probably good enough. They will take in the requests from the particular position coach and massage it with their own thinking to come up with a list of recruits to go after each week. Once that has been finalized, it will be approved by myself and we'll get this ship rolling.

However, there is one advantage to having a recruiter for each region. They can therefore provide input regarding the individual scout that will be "servicing" them. Hiring scouts is about as much fun as doing the laundry in TCY for me. I'd love to offload that.

[CraigSca]

Say...I see there's a new thread in the dynasty section!

[Icy]

Seem i'm out of my first Group think, ok will follow it anyway.

[CraigSca]

Icy, if you'd like to be the special teams coach, it's yours. I'm not sure how much work there would be to do as you're only dealing with 2 positions, but I'll hold it open if you'd like it.

Let me know...(and sorry for the misunderstanding)

[QuikSand]

Icy, you're welcome to step in and take over the DL if you are interested -- I can take up a role as an assistant coordinator, or else help with the recruiting. That'd be fine by me.

[cthomer5000]

Icy, hanging around until someone (inevitably) drops out would probably be a wise move.

[Icy]

QuikSand thanks for the offer but you asked for it before me so you deserve it, it's fair.

About Special Teams, i saw at the Dynasty recent tread that mckerney asked for that position already and i don't want to remove him from there once he was asigned.

No problem guys, i'll follow the dynasty, download the files etc and will be fun too and helpfully to learn more. Also will step in if somebody can't keep with his job in the future.

[mckerney]

QuikSand thanks for the offer but you asked for it before me so you deserve it, it's fair.

About Special Teams, i saw at the Dynasty recent tread that mckerney asked for that position already and i don't want to remove him from there once he was asigned.

No problem guys, i'll follow the dynasty, download the files etc and will be fun too and helpfully to learn more. Also will step in if somebody can't keep with his job in the future.

I said I'd take the position if it wasn't filled, and you had a shot at it before I did, and as far as I know I was never assigned, so I don't want to take the position if you want it. I'd have no problem waiting behind you at special teams, and then if someone else left have you take over the open position and then I could take over special teams.

[Icy]

I said I'd take the position if it wasn't filled, and you had a shot at it before I did, and as far as I know I was never assigned, so I don't want to take the position if you want it. I'd have no problem waiting behind you at special teams, and then if someone else left have you take over the open position and then I could take over special teams.

Sounds fair mckerney thanks :)

CraigSca count on me then for Special teams coach/scout. I'm not sure what can be done here as Special teams is a secondary skill, but apart form looking for good Special Teams specialists, i will review every other scout player recomendations to see if one of them could also help our special teams. Also will step in if any other staff position becomes available.

[CraigSca]

Excellent, thanks Icy!

[CraigSca]

Since Vegas Vic has graciously stepped down as linebackers coach (due to unforseen circumstances), we now have a vacancy at special teams coach. Vexroid posted that he wanted to be a recruiting coordinator a few hours before mckerney asked to be signed up, I'm going to leave it open to Vex. If he doesn't want it, the mckerney is next in line.

Vexroid, let me know asap if you want/can join the staff. Thanks!