NFL Week 4 Thoughts

[TLK]

The Lions get the week off.... so I'll be following the CLE/WAS and CIN/PIT, as both should be pretty decent....

[temley06]

IND/JAX here

[Ben E Lou]

Is there a compelling game at 1pm today? The Birds play at 4. I'll probably play Rome: Total War until then.

[Chubby]

Is there a compelling game at 1pm today? The Birds play at 4. I'll probably play Rome: Total War until then.
NE trying to tie the NFL record for consecutive wins in Buffalo.

[temley06]

Colts get a big stop on 4 & 1 at their 30. Jax moved the ball fairly well however.

[temley06]

Colts just knifed through Jax, Stokely had 3 catches, Manning 5-5 with 63yds and TD to Harrison.

[Ben E Lou]

Jax vs. Indiana is only option here. Turning that on in the background while I finish conquering a good bit of modern-day Europe.

[JeeberD]

Here's hoping Kurt Warner has a good day. With Culpepper having a bye and McNair not playing I had to pick Kurt up for my work fantasy team...

The Cowboys bye week always sucks... :(

[-Mojo Jojo-]

What Darren Sharper taketh, Ahman Green giveth away...

sigh.

[cthomer5000]

Favre just had a Tecmo Bowl like play where he ran around in the backfield for about 15 seconds before throwing a pass. Amazing.

[Daimyo]

Wish I could watch IND/JAX... stuck with CHI/PHI followed by DEN/TB... bleh

[Ben E Lou]

Wish I could watch IND/JAX... stuck with CHI/PHI followed by DEN/TB... blehYeah....slightly better deal here. IND/JAX then ATL/CAR. :p

[temley06]

IND/JAX is actually a pretty good game. JAX has missed multiple opportunities, but have been pretty effective at slowing down Manning. Stokely is apparently Manning's reciever of the day.

[Chubby]

wow, Dillon fumbles on the 2. Bills drive stalls only to see the punt snap dropped by Moorman then picked up and run 40 yds for a 1st down. Then a td pass to Moulds :D

[RendeR]

Go Bills and Bengals

[RendeR]

DOLA: Dillon sux ass in teh red zone

[SirFozzie]

*laughs* what a freaking wacky game this Buffalo-NE game is.

[RendeR]

Yeah, I'm wondering where the defender THOUGHT that reciever was on the last TD.....

[cthomer5000]

Favre was knocked out of the game... and is back within a few plays. Looks like it might have been a concussion.

edit: comes back and throws a 35 yard touchdown on his first play back. :eek:

[temley06]

Ouch, you could hear JAX's LT MCL pop on that play. That will be an ugly replay.

[Chubby]

Simma ragging on the officials in the NE-Buf game

[The_herd]

Bears fans can begin scouting potential Left Tackles and Receivers that will be available in the upcoming draft.

It looks like another year of looking forward to the draft before the middle of October.

[cthomer5000]

and after the TD pass, Favre is out of the game again. I'm thinking it was a concussion.

So again

1. Concussion
2. Comes back in for one play (35 yard TD pass)
3. Back on the sideling (Pederson in the game).

[JAG]

Is anyone watching the GB/NYG game? Have they not said anything about the injury yet?

[cthomer5000]

Is anyone watching the GB/NYG game? Have they not said anything about the injury yet?
Nothing official, just plenty of speculation that it is a concussion.

[Chubby]

Favre has his helmet back on on the sideline but we'll see.

[cthomer5000]

Word now is that Favre went back onto the field without clearance (which makes sense if you see the replay of a visibly puzzled Pederson being pulled out of the huddle by Favre). His return was a 28 yard TD pass, and he's been back on the sideline since.

THe official word is that "his return will be evaluated on a posession by posession basis." Looks like a concussion, and I don't think he'll be back in the game.

[Passacaglia]

Didn't Deion Sanders try something like that a few years back?

[temley06]

Nice INT by the D.Clark, the ref also screwed JAX out of 25 yards on the return.

[TLK]

The 1 o'clock games have been decent..... I need to run and get some beer seeing as the only option I have for the 4 o'clock games is NYJ/MIA.....

[Masked]

Great play by Jax on 4th and 1. Deep pass to Smith for TD - tie game.

[Suicane75]

damnit, come on Indy.

[Rich1033]

Horrible pass interference call on the Bengals.

I also feel sorry for any fantasy team that has Deuce.

[temley06]

I think IND got a break on that holding call, but we'll take it.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Bettis is doing week 1 all over again...His stat line for the day so far : 4 carries, -2 yards rushing, 2 TD...:rolleyes:

[Suicane75]

Oh please get a TD Indy, pretty please.

[sabotai]

Chicago almost made a game out of it, but failed on the 2pt conversion.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Oh please get a TD Indy, pretty please.
OK, but it can't be a Manning TD as my opponent owns him in the EuroFOFC fantasy football league...

[General Mike]

Ron Dayne and Steve Christie both suck. William Joseph is not a complete and total bust.

[temley06]

Nice drive by Indy, let's hope this D can stop them.

[sabotai]

What happened with the miss FG by Christie in the NYG-GB game? (Watching on GameCast)

[mckerney]

What happened with the miss FG by Christie in the NYG-GB game? (Watching on GameCast)

Hooked it left. With Pederson in there though I don't think it will matter.

[Suicane75]

Now lets play some defense.

[Suicane75]

OK, but it can't be a Manning TD as my opponent owns him in the EuroFOFC fantasy football league...


We both win :D

[sabotai]

The snap and hold was good, he just pulled it? Ugh...a 30 yard FG! Come on.

[sabotai]

INTERCEPTION!!! W00T!

[mckerney]

The snap and hold was good, he just pulled it? Ugh...a 30 yard FG! Come on.

Yep. It didn't look like the kicker got real good contact. Pederson thew a pick anyway though.

[fantastic flying froggies]

We both win :D
Yup! :D

[temley06]

The Colts just had their first touchback in about 3 years.

[SirFozzie]

Wow.. when a New England fan (like me) saying the refs are screwing the Bills, you KNOW things are bad...

[fantastic flying froggies]

What a game by Tiki...he's running for his life out there...

[sabotai]

Tiki Barber, 182 yards on 23 carries and 1 TD

[Suicane75]

What a pick and return for polamuyalau or whatever.

[BishopMVP]

The NE/BUF game just gets stranger.

[fantastic flying froggies]

The NE/BUF game just gets stranger.
What's happening ?

[sabotai]

Looks like the Giants need a new kicker (unless something was wrong with the snap or hold this time)

[fantastic flying froggies]

Looks like the Giants need a new kicker (unless something was wrong with the snap or hold this time)
Christie : 0 for 3 FG, missed from 49, 30 and 33 yds!!!

[temley06]

Nice stop by the Colts. The defense sucks but is timely.

[-Mojo Jojo-]

Knowing that Favre is old and beat up, I can't believe the Packers don't have a better backup QB than Doug Pederson. He's awful. This could be a long season...

[Suicane75]

Colts are giving me agina. What are they reviewing?

[temley06]

God damnit, just snap the ball before the replay booth calls down.

[SirFozzie]

Wow. What a whole pile of the goofy on that play in BUF/NE

3-7 at the NE 23 Brady's pass was thrown to Givens who had it for a brief moment but had the ball pulled out of his hands. Buffalo recovered the "fumble" and took it back to the NE 2 where it was knocked out of his hands and out of the endzone, where it would be 1st and 10 Pats at the 20 (a touchback). Buffalo then CHALLENGES their own interception, and they get the play reversed to an incompletion so it's 4th and 7 and not 1st and 10 :D

[Suicane75]

they reversed it? Egads man.

[temley06]

thank god. You should see a cardiologist about that agina

[RendeR]

Damn I hate getting my hopes up.

[Suicane75]

phew.

[Ben E Lou]

Panthers drive it into Falcon territory, but fumble it away on first possession.

[Suicane75]

Man, i hate the NFL, pats/bills game in final 2 minutes and they leave for the start of the jets game. I dont care if it is in NY, you dont show 58 minutes of a game and then cut away, utter bullshit.

[SirFozzie]

Even more of the goofy! Drew turns around and looks to hand off the ball to Travis Henry on 4th and 3 at the NE 17.. and Travis is not there! (went the other way). Bledsoe gets crumped, fumbles, and big Richard Seymour takes it to the house!

[BishopMVP]

Richard Seymour runs a fumble back about 70 yards for a TD. On to Miami.

[VPI97]

Falcons make that drive look easy. 7-0 over Carolina

[Ben E Lou]

Dang. The Birds just made it look easy on their first drive. 75 yards in about 7 plays. 3 straight plays of >18 yards.

[VPI97]

Jinx. :)

[SirFozzie]

they reversed it? Egads man.


Yeah, they reversed it, which was good for Buffalo.. the Pats would have had 1st and 10 at the 20 thanks to the touchback. Instead, it was 4th and 7 :D

And Bledsoe gets crumped twice more, the Buffalo Keystone Kops, everybody!

[General Mike]

Christie : 0 for 3 FG, missed from 49, 30 and 33 yds!!!

Exactly. Christie must go, and so must Dayne. :mad:

[Ben E Lou]

And now the Panthers make it look easy. Thought this was supposed to be a defensive battle...

[VPI97]

Panthers make that drive look easy. 7-7 with Atlanta

Edit - lol

[GrantDawg]

Stop it you two. You're freaking me out.

[fantastic flying froggies]

And now we know that VP97 is SkyDog! Or is SkyDog really VPI97???

[GrantDawg]

And now we know that VP97 is SkyDog! Or is SkyDog really VPI97???
Nah. I've been in the room with both of them. Or was I? :eek:

[DeToxRox]

So... Kitna anyone?

[Ben E Lou]

Stop it you two. You're freaking me out.YAAAAYYYY!!!!! :D

[Masked]

Okay I think it Cardinals 0, Saints -14 now. This is ridiculous.

[JPhillips]

DETOX: Only if he can play defense. Palmer hasn't been great, but nobody is going to win if the defense keeps giving up 150+ rush ypg.

[Buccaneer]

Go Kurt W. Just found out the Giants beat the Packers in GB. I makes me very happy to see him leading the G-men to a better than Martz's Rams.

[Ben E Lou]

Wow. Thanks Panthers. Hands to the face penalty (and automatic first down) on 2nd and 21.

[Chubby]

Chargers up 7-0 on a LT 15 yd TD run WOOHOO!

[Ben E Lou]

UGH! End around on 3rd and 1. Run the dadgum ball down somebody's throat! :mad:

[DeToxRox]

I just think Cinncy is still overrated, and with that horrendous D they shouldn't be throwing Palmer to the wolves. Let the Vet get them back on track.

[Ben E Lou]

Birds lead 10-7 at the end of the first quarter.

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff border=0><TBODY><TR class=SBRow1BG><TD class=SBColTitle noWrap width=120>PASSING</TD><TD class=SBColTitleSm noWrap>CP-AT</TD><TD class=SBColTitleSm noWrap>YDS</TD><TD class=SBColTitleSm noWrap>TD</TD><TD class=SBColTitleSm noWrap>INT</TD><TD class=SBColTitleSm noWrap>RTG</TD></TR><TR class=SBRow2BG><TD class=SBColTxtL noWrap width=120>Michael Vick (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5448/)</TD><TD class=SBColTxtR noWrap>6-6</TD><TD class=SBColTxtR noWrap>89</TD><TD class=SBColTxtR noWrap>0</TD><TD class=SBColTxtR noWrap>0</TD><TD class=SBColTxtR noWrap>118.8</TD></TR><TR class=SBRow2BG><TD class=SBColTxtL colSpan=6>Sacked-Yards Lost: M. Vick 0-0. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Ben E Lou]

First punt of the game by either team is early in the second quarter by Carolina.

[GrantDawg]

I hate 4 o'clock games. No east-coast game should start at 4 o'clock.

[Ben E Lou]

I hate 4 o'clock games. No east-coast game should start at 4 o'clock.Church tonight?

[Ben E Lou]

Birds sputter inside red zone. Feely hits 2nd FG of the day. 13-7.

[Ben E Lou]

He Hate Me is hurt. Jumped and caught the kickoff in the air and fell down hurt. Couldn't run it back at all. Left knee or ankle.

[Ben E Lou]

They had to help him off the field. No weight on the left leg at all.

[BishopMVP]

Has Miami found an offense or is the Jets D really this bad?

[GrantDawg]

Church tonight?
Yes. My belief there is for purely selfish reasons. :)

[Ben E Lou]

Yes. My belief there is for purely selfish reasons. :)Yeah. Very few churches in my neck of the woods have anything going on Sunday nights. Very unusual for the South. (Of course, that can be said about my neck of the woods in general.)

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow Quinn is terrible.

Give me Craig Krenzel next week!

[Chubby]

Brees to Gates, 14-7 Chargers :)

[fantastic flying froggies]

An interesting stat line from the NO @ ARI game. So far, the Cards have 126 net yds on offense. Old Emmit Smith has rushed for 59 yds and passed for 21, accounting for 63% total offense!!! Not bad for an old man!

[Ben E Lou]

This one is shaping up to be a dandy. 13-10 Birds at the half. Each team has punted only once.

[Chubby]

Tomlinson rushes for a 1st on 3rd and 6 with under 2 in the half. Chew up clock and punch it in! :)

[Chubby]

TOUCHDOWN! Brees to Peelle, 21-7 Chargers :)

[cthomer5000]

Has Miami found an offense or is the Jets D really this bad?
3 field goals... the're really lighting the Jets up. :rolleyes:


but yes, the Jets D is that bad.

[pjstp20]

3 field goals... the're really lighting the Jets up. :rolleyes:


but yes, the Jets D is that bad.That's an offensive explosion for the Dolphins. And all in one half to boot. Come on man what do you want a whole touchdown?

[cthomer5000]

have the Dolphins had an INT returned for touchdown in every single game so far?

[pjstp20]

:sigh: all but one.

[pjstp20]

Nice point by Randy Cross to show how inept and idiotic the Dolphins playcalling is.

[Radii]

This one is shaping up to be a dandy. 13-10 Birds at the half. Each team has punted only once.


Yup, Carolina would probably be winning if they were turnover free, they really need to force one in this 2nd half.

Tons of penalties today too.

[Chubby]

Chargers running through the Titans D at will so far.

[Ben E Lou]

YES! Scott picks off Delhomme deep in Falcon territory!

[VPI97]

Vick going to get tossed?

[VPI97]

Nope, just a personal foul...

[Ben E Lou]

They know which side the bread is buttered on. ;)

[Ben E Lou]

Dola:

In all seriousness, that wasn't ejection-worthy by either side.

[VPI97]

The way the announcers were talking, I thought he threw a punch or something to that effect. but he just bumped the guy with his chest.

[Ben E Lou]

Grrrr....another dropped ball. That's three or four on the day.

[Radii]

Dola:

In all seriousness, that wasn't ejection-worthy by either side.


Agreed.

The # of penalties is becoming laughable. Carolina is committing them in some key situations though, 3rd downs, on nice 1st down gains, etc.

[Chubby]

24-7 Bolts :)

[Ben E Lou]

Why does T.J. Duckett EVER get the ball???

[Chubby]

HAHAHA another pick by Fieldler...

[TLK]

The Dolphins just have bad luck, and that doesn't work with a bad QB.....

[Chubby]

The Dolphins just have bad luck, and that doesn't work with a bad QB.....
or bad WRs... or bad RBs... or bad coaching :D

[Ben E Lou]

Defenses and penalties have hurt both teams in the 2nd half. Still 13-10 with 13 minutes to play.

[cthomer5000]

Pennington has taken 2 very dumb sacks today, both of which pushed the Jets ouf of -field goal range. 17-9 with 12.44 to go.

[Ben E Lou]

Sweet! Mathis picks him off and takes it TO....THE......HOUSE!!!!

[VPI97]

Boom

[Chubby]

Come on Chargers D, hold em to a FG...

[cthomer5000]

It's too bad I have 0% interest in the Sunday night game. :(

[pjstp20]

Pennington has taken 2 very dumb sacks today, both of which pushed the Jets ouf of -field goal range. 17-9 with 12.44 to go.Don't worry about it, the Dolphins aren't winning this game. 8 points may as well be 20, theres no difference.

[Chubby]

24-10 Bolts, D held in the end at least.

[cthomer5000]

General Mike,

If you come across this, are you still angry about the Giants dropping Collins and drafting Manning? I realize he hasn't done anything yet, but I thought from day 1 that Warner would be no worst than Collins... you can't argue with 3-1 right now.

[Ben E Lou]

Aha. Dunn's hammy has tightened up. That's why T.J. is in.

[Chubby]

uuuuuuuuugh, Titans recover the onside kick and are driving

[cthomer5000]

Aha. Dunn's hammy has tightened up. That's why T.J. is in.
Duckett really seems to have been a 'slow bust', eh?

[Ben E Lou]

Duckett really seems to have been a 'slow bust', eh?Yup. His green bars have gone down every year.

[cthomer5000]

Oooh, I loves me a blindside sack against the dolphins! http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif (javascript:emoticon(':twisted:'))

[cthomer5000]

Yup. His green bars have gone down every year.
How far has he sunk?

Is he in the 'token goal line back' role?

Or the Ron Dayne-like 'ONLY if the starter is hurt does he get in the game' role?

[Ben E Lou]

The Birds' defense is starting to take this one over.

[Ben E Lou]

How far has he sunk?

Is he in the 'token goal line back' role?

Or the Ron Dayne-like 'ONLY if the starter is hurt does he get in the game' role?You can knock me over with a feather right now. He just took one for 13 yards.

To answer your question, I think he's somewhere between "token-goal-line" and "only-if-the-starter-is-hurt".

[cthomer5000]

Curtis Martin just passed Thurman Thomas - now #10 on the all time rushing list. Needs ~40 to pass Franco Harris.

[Ben E Lou]

DOLA:

Of course, he's not the Birds' worst bust. We ARE talking about a team that made Aundray Bruce the 1(1) pick. :mad:

[cthomer5000]

lets go Tennessee, I've got a parlay riding on your game!

[Ben E Lou]

Of course, now that I'm bad-mouthing T.J., he's running the ball better than he's run it in his entire career on this drive. LOL.

[cthomer5000]

Martin is now gutting the Dolphins, he's probably within 20 of Franco Harris now. Under 3 minutes left, this game is all but over.

[JAG]

Sweet. What a day for Emmitt.

[cthomer5000]

Hmm, Dolphins may have just intercepted the ball (Why were they even passing?)

It was ruled incomplete, now being challanged.

edit: call upheld, the Jets dodged a bullet. Again, WHY were they passing on 2nd and 6 when they're plowing down the field and eating up clock?

[cthomer5000]

Sweet. What a day for Emmitt.
I can only see the stats, but they are impressive.

[Chubby]

YES!!! 58 yd TD pass Brees to Caldwell. 31-17 Bolts!

Now the tired Bolts D has to take the field tho, I think the Bolts O has less than a minute possession in the 4th quarter.

[Ben E Lou]

Falcons putting this one away now. 27-10 with 4:13 to play.

[cthomer5000]

LOL, Miami wastes 10 seconds or so before realizing they need to call a timeout (otherwise it ticks down to the 2 minute warning).

Never thinking a step ahead in Miami.

[VPI97]

Hook and ladder


cool

[MikeVic]

What's happening in the Saints-Cardinals game?!?! I have money down!!!

[cthomer5000]

BOOM. Coffin corner punt goes out at the 1.

Dolphins need to go 99 yards AND get the two point conversion. 2:23 remaining.

[Chubby]

What's happening in the Saints-Cardinals game?!?! I have money down!!!
Cards up 27-10 with less than 5 mins to go.

[MikeVic]

Cards up 27-10 with less than 5 mins to go.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I have to hope for an Atlanta win by 4 or more... and a point difference of 3 or less in the TB/DEN game now.. :(

[BishopMVP]

What the hell was Fiedler thinking there?

[Chubby]

WTF was Fieldler thinking? Fumblerooski

[cthomer5000]

Nice, Fiedler's brain stops functinoing, he throws a lateral into a O-lineman, and the Jets recover.

Dolphins are out of timeouts, game over.

[Chubby]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I have to hope for an Atlanta win by 4 or more... and a point difference of 3 or less in the TB/DEN game now.. :(

Well both of those are happening currently.

[JAG]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I have to hope for an Atlanta win by 4 or more... and a point difference of 3 or less in the TB/DEN game now.. :(

For right now, you've got your wish. Atlanta will for sure, and currently the TB/DEN game is a 3 point Denver lead.

[cthomer5000]

Talk about a 2 team race

Pats 3-0
Jets 3-0
Bills 0-3
Fins 0-4

[Chubby]

Titans turn it over on downs, game set match :D

[Chubby]

Chatman TD to give me more Losers Challenge Pts :D 38-17

[cthomer5000]

So when does Tampa decide to turn the keys over to Chris Simms for the rest of the year?

[Ben E Lou]

Falcons close it out 27-10 to go 4-0, and with the Aints losing badly, looks like an early 2-game lead in the NFC South.

[Dutch]

If I see another Buccaneer celebrate after a 2nd down tackle on this 70 yard Denver drive including 4 3rd down conversions now, I think I will vomit. Friggin' stop celebrating on 1st and 2nd down you morons!!!! Save your energy to tackle somebody on 3rd down.

[JAG]

Talk about a 2 team race

Pats 3-0
Jets 3-0
Bills 0-3
Fins 0-4

The Cowboys' trade for Buffalo's first round pick in 2005 is looking better with each passing week...:)

[Dutch]

Whew! The Bucs got the Broncos to 4th down! Yay! Oh wait...there's only 15 seconds left. Doh!

[JAG]

dola

MikeVic...final score: Denver 16, Tampa Bay 13 :)

[cthomer5000]

The Cowboys' trade for Buffalo's first round pick in 2005 is looking better with each passing week...:)
In the same vein, the Giants trade for Manning gets less and less costly with every win. Some people were talking about that 2005 pick being 'top 5'. I think at worst we're looking at a mid-first rounder at this point.

[Chubby]

dola

MikeVic...final score: Denver 16, Tampa Bay 13 :)
But Arizona won by more that previous reported so who knows if that affected him...

[cthomer5000]

The Jets could (and should) be 7-1 at the midway point.

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And maybe even 9-2, with Baltimore, Cleveland, Arizona after those games.

This team isn't great, but they may be good enough to take the division with this schedule.

[MikeVic]

:D I won one of my Pro-Line tickets... A win is seen as winning by more then 3, and a tie is seen as a point difference less than or equal to 3. Me and a buddy picked DEN/TB tie, Philly win, and Atlanta win. The other ticker lost due to the damn Saints. And I know a couple of my Fantasy teams will do bad because I used the Saints defense this week...

I don't win a boat-load of money, but any money is good. :D

[cthomer5000]

How to make a shitty Sunday Night Game interesting? Bet on it.

Let's go Under!

[mckerney]

It's too bad I have 0% interest in the Sunday night game. :(

My only interest is that I picked St. Louis in the FOFC Survivor league on yahoo.

[henry296]

My only interest is that I picked St. Louis in the FOFC Survivor league on yahoo.

Me too.

[SFL Cat]

Stick a fork in the Fins...and Dave Wannstedt and all his coaches...and Rick Spielman too. Maybe once the organization is swept clean, Dan Marino will reconsider the GM spot.

[SFL Cat]

Maybe the Eagles will wait until the Super Bowl to choke this year.

Goooo Cowboys!!!

[cthomer5000]

I wish the 49ers would keep the gold pants, but go back to the classic Jersey/helmet look. I think the black is just hideous in their scheme.

[GrantDawg]

So, I guess now the Falcons are the worst 4-0 team in history. :)

[mckerney]

My only interest is that I picked St. Louis in the FOFC Survivor league on yahoo.

14-0 St. Louis lead, I should be one of seven teams going into week 5.

[General Mike]

General Mike,

If you come across this, are you still angry about the Giants dropping Collins and drafting Manning? I realize he hasn't done anything yet, but I thought from day 1 that Warner would be no worst than Collins... you can't argue with 3-1 right now.

I'm not so mad about drafting Manning, I have more of a problem with them giving up way too much to get Manning. There are other things I have a bigger problem with on this team now then the difference between Warner and Collins, like the lack of a backup RB, the lack of a MLB, and the lack of a place kicker.

The Giants are probably slightly better then Washington, behind Philly and I'm not really sure how they match up with Dallas. I think they have a good shot at the playoffs, but they have to win the games they are supposed to win.

[cthomer5000]

c'mon 'Niners, just hold them to a damn field goal!

[mckerney]

After their long streak without being shutout, it looks like to '9ers are gonna have to make something happen to avoid being shutout two games in a row.

[tucker rocky]

Niners are looking really, really bad.
Could the end be near for Erickson?

[GrantDawg]

Niners are looking really, really bad.
Could the end be near for Erickson?
Were they supposed to be good?

[tucker rocky]

Shame to see a talent like Julius Peterson wasted.

[mckerney]

San Francisco hasn't scored in the last 97:53 of play and have given up 64 points in that period of time.

[tucker rocky]

Were they supposed to be good?

Not a chance, unless it gets really, really cold in the hot place. :D

[cthomer5000]

Were they supposed to be good?
No, but they should at least resemble an NFL team.

[tucker rocky]

Would time be catching up with the Titans?

[mckerney]

San Francisco and Miami play on November 28th, in what could be one of the worst games in NFL history.

[tucker rocky]

All these years playing, and E.Smith throws an option pass.
Plus a beating over the Saints.

[GrantDawg]

San Francisco and Miami play on November 28th, in what could be one of the worst games in NFL history.
It will be great. Watch it be a 54-53 game.

[tucker rocky]

San Francisco and Miami play on November 28th, in what could be one of the worst games in NFL history.

They should just call it a tie, no points will be scored. :D
This coming from a partial Miami fan.

[tucker rocky]

It will be great. Watch it be a 54-53 game.

Only if Don Shula and Bill Walsh made a cameo coaching appearance. :)

[GrantDawg]

Only if Don Shula and Bill Walsh made a cameo coaching appearance. :)
Not really. It happens quite often in games when bad teams with good defenses meet. Some how they find a way to score repeatedly on each other.

[Sharpieman]

My Niners are getting spanked right now.

[GrantDawg]

My Niners are getting spanked right now.
Water is wet.

[cthomer5000]

Excellent. My sizable parlay on the Rams and the Under payed off.

Special thanks to Dennis Erickson. I couldn't have done it without you.

[ISiddiqui]

So again

1. Concussion
2. Comes back in for one play (35 yard TD pass)
3. Back on the sideling (Pederson in the game).

Do I need to give another reason why I love Farve? Only he could pull something like that :D.

Got to see IND/JAX, ATL/CAR today (oh and some of the STL/SF, but well, you know). Jacksonville, even though they lost looked VERY solid. That defense looks very good and Leftwich had a great game. Taylor? Not so much.

And for all those whining about Duckett, did you see that last drive? ;) That's what Duckett can bring. He gets better as he gets more and more carries. It was great to see him running over people. Maybe that can drive his stock up so someone like Miami deals their 1st round pick this year or something for him (they are that dumb... you never know) ;).

[cthomer5000]

Do I need to give another reason why I love Farve? Only he could pull something like that :D.The man's legend only grows with each game he plays. Today was just completely unreal.

One last recap:

suffers a concussion
misses two plays
goes back onto the field without doctor's approval
throws a touchdown pass on the first play back (on 4th and 5!)
is held out of the rest of the game

You can't make this stuff up!

edit: thanks for the reminder there Isiddiqui

[ISiddiqui]

Oh, and in addition to that... the TD pass... it was on 4th and 5 ;).

The man is going to be remembered in NFL lore for years and years. You'll have people telling their favorite Farve story for as long as we can remember.

[Galaril]

And what happened to the Titans.They have just fallen apart at the seams. They didn't get hit by the injury bug but a full scale plague down there.Maybe its time to trade McNair or even Mason since next years is itcontract wise for both and resigning them is very slim.I hate to sell the farm so soon but 27 seasons as a OIler/Titans fan tells me they are finished for this year as far a playoff run is concerned.I would say they should start looking at retooling.But boy what a run Fisher had with them.They were the winningest team in the last decade I do believe.I guess the fall can be attributed to the NFL as it is and free agency.

[cthomer5000]

Oh, and in addition to that... the TD pass... it was on 4th and 5 ;).

The man is going to be remembered in NFL lore for years and years. You'll have people telling their favorite Farve story for as long as we can remember.
Yeah, I remembered the 4th and 5 thing right after I posted. Too good.

I find it impossible not to like the guy. Anyone who seems to enjoy and respect the game as much as he does is just awesome.

[cthomer5000]

And what happened to the Titans.They have just fallen apart at the seams. They didn't get hit by the injury bug but a full scale plague down there.Maybe its time to trade McNair or even Mason since next years is itcontract wise for both and resigning them is very slim.I hate to sell the farm so soon but 27 seasons as a OIler/Titans fan tells me they are finished for this year as far a playoff run is concerned.I would say they should start looking at retooling.But boy what a run Fisher had with them.They were the winningest team in the last decade I do believe.I guess the fall can be attributed to the NFL as it is and free agency.
This post looks VERY familiar.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, I remembered the 4th and 5 thing right after I posted. Too good.

I find it impossible not to like the guy. Anyone who seems to enjoy and respect the game as much as he does is just awesome.

And of course every team in the league passed on him until the Falcons had him, let him rot on the bench and then dealt him to the Packers who kept him behind the Majik man, until an injury Wally Pipp'ed him :D.

[Samdari]

So, I guess now the Falcons are the worst 4-0 team in history. :)

I'll put my money down on yes. I think they fail to make the playoffs.

[GrantDawg]

I'll put my money down on yes. I think they fail to make the playoffs.
I'll take that bet.

[ISiddiqui]

So would I. The Falcons defense is amazing. Green Bay must be kicking themselves for letting Donatell go for ONE PLAY! Oh well, their loss ;).

[cthomer5000]

I would most certainly take that bet. .500 ball from here on out probably gives them the division.

[flere-imsaho]

Knowing that Favre is old and beat up, I can't believe the Packers don't have a better backup QB than Doug Pederson. He's awful. This could be a long season...

It's going to be a long season for the entire NFC North unless you're a Vikings fan. Even there....

I betcha the Lions grab a Wild Card spot this year. Amazing. And maybe the Bears can draft Williams from USC to give Grossman someone to throw to.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Roy Williams is pretty good. :D

[flere-imsaho]

Wow, the 49ers were bad. Is it really true they have something like $40 million in dead cap space, or was that just Summerall's fading memory again?

[rkmsuf]

Wow, the 49ers were bad. Is it really true they have something like $40 million in dead cap space, or was that just Summerall's fading memory again?

I don't know but at one point Summeral said Erickson was 7-12 last year for the 49ers.

[cthomer5000]

Wow, the 49ers were bad. Is it really true they have something like $40 million in dead cap space, or was that just Summerall's fading memory again?
Not 40 mill, but pretty bad:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/football/sf_49ers/story/10648354p-11567007c.html

The 49ers head into the season with a $28 million pot of dead money - cap space occupied by players no longer on the team - that far outweighs that of any other NFL team.

[GrantDawg]

I would most certainly take that bet. .500 ball from here on out probably gives them the division.Especially considering this was the first division game (and it was at the home of the best team in the division). The Falcons should not lose more than two of their remaining division games. They are at this point by far the favorite to win the NFC South.

[DeToxRox]

Especially considering this was the first division game (and it was at the home of the best team in the division). The Falcons should not lose more than two of their remaining division games. They are at this point by far the favorite to win the NFC South.

No one thought the Vikes could blow it either.

If Vick gets hurt, Falcons have no shot.

[GrantDawg]

No one thought the Vikes could blow it either.

If Vick gets hurt, Falcons have no shot.I think they can win without Vick this year. He is not the reason they are #2 in scoring defense and #1 in rushing defense, and that is the reason they are 4-0.

[DeToxRox]

I think they can win without Vick this year. He is not the reason they are #2 in scoring defense and #1 in rushing defense, and that is the reason they are 4-0.

Yes, but he keeps their defense off of the field. If a new QB comes in and they can't move the ball, the D will be on the field a lot more, and no matter how good they are, those numbers will go up.

[DeToxRox]

.. Oh and yes, you'll be 4-1 after Sunday, when Roy Williams dismantles their secondary.

Yeah, I am a Lions fan, but just you wait. :)

[GrantDawg]

Yes, but he keeps their defense off of the field. If a new QB comes in and they can't move the ball, the D will be on the field a lot more, and no matter how good they are, those numbers will go up.
Not if they are still #1 in rushing. They are that with his help, but even without him they can run the ball. Alex Gibbs is a genius.

[rkmsuf]

I think they can win without Vick this year. He is not the reason they are #2 in scoring defense and #1 in rushing defense, and that is the reason they are 4-0.

I don't think they can win without Vick. Yes the defense is good now but I suspect they will not maintain this pace. They'll be good but not #1 or #2 good over the season.

To make some noise will require Vick and the offense to make some strides and really improve on what they are doing. Vick can do it; I'm not so sure Schaub can. Also, the fact the defenses have to account for Vick and waste time spying or scheming helps.

There's something intangible about having him out there. Look at 2 years ago.

[GrantDawg]

I don't think they can will without Vick. Yes the defense is good now but I suspect they will not maintain this pace. They'll be good but not #1 or #2 good over the season.

To make some noise will require Vick and the offense to make some strides and really improve on what they are doing. Vick can do it; I'm not so sure Schaub can. Also, the fact the defenses have to account for Vick and waste time spying or scheming helps.

There's something intangible about having him out there. Look at 2 years ago.
But this isn't last years team. This team can go .500 the rest of the way without Vick. .500 from here wins the NFC South.

[rkmsuf]

But this isn't last years team. This team can go .500 the rest of the way without Vick. .500 from here wins the NFC South.

That's true. I was thinking more in terms of contending in the playoffs.

[GrantDawg]

That's true. I was thinking more in terms of contending in the playoffs.
I don't think they will contend in the playoffs even with Vick. They are not to that level yet.

[DeToxRox]

Not if they are still #1 in rushing. They are that with his help, but even without him they can run the ball. Alex Gibbs is a genius.

I guess I am still somewhat skeptical. If Vick is out, you can put 8 and 9 in the box and not worry about him beating you to the outside. I am probably wrong, but the dimension he adds of just scaring people is enough to make your run game open up.

They do have two capable backs however, so we shall see.

Just be ready for ROY *Rookie Of the Year* Williams to carve up the Falcons secondary Sunday baby.

[rkmsuf]

I don't think they will contend in the playoffs even with Vick. They are not to that level yet.

I could see them winning an opening round game. I don't think they are ready to go into Philly or anything but beyond them or maybe Seattle there's not much difference between them.

[mckerney]

With Matt Schaub as a backup the Falcons will obviously miss Vick if he goes out, but they'll still get solid play from the quarterback position.