Don't let the door hit you on your way out

[Sharpieman]

Goodbye Ashcroft...

Oh, he just resigned.

[DeToxRox]

So whats the rub? Is Guliani taking it over?

[yabanci]

"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved" - John Ashcroft

[Kodos]

I thought this was going to be about the "move to Canada" folks.

[Kodos]

"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved" - John Ashcroft


A.K.A. "Mission Accomplished."

[Sharpieman]

"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror is in progress" - John Ashcroft
Fixed that for you

[DeToxRox]

A.K.A. "Mission Accomplished."

i've been meaning to ask, when are the rigel elections? is kang the the favorite?

[chinaski]

Let the eagle soar!

[Buccaneer]

Nobody could have been worse in that job than Reno.

Now I wonder whether those that said that if Ashcroft goes, they will have more respect for the administration. Now if we can get Congress from passing stupid laws...

[DeToxRox]

Nobody could have been a better dancer and MC then Reno

you needed some fixing up of that.

[sabotai]

"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved" - John Ashcroft

Oh good. In that case, policemen, FBI, immigration, DEA, boarder control, CSI, and any one that has anything to do with law enforcement, we don't need you anymore.

[Sharpieman]

I guess that means we can put naked sculptures back in the white house

[Crapshoot]

One dumbass down.

[cthomer5000]

I thought this thread was going to be about Wanstetdt.

[Galaril]

Nobody could have been worse in that job than Reno.

Now I wonder whether those that said that if Ashcroft goes, they will have more respect for the administration. Now if we can get Congress from passing stupid laws...

Reno was bad but Ashcroft come on. :eek:

[Radii]

Now I wonder whether those that said that if Ashcroft goes, they will have more respect for the administration.

Without knowing any details, count me in as having signifigantly more hope for this administration w/ Ashcroft gone.

[Glengoyne]

Without knowing any details, count me in as having signifigantly more hope for this administration w/ Ashcroft gone.
I'll gladly join this camp.

Hey John Galt...As a Hack am I allowed to join the sentiment in this thread?

[Warhammer]

Hey John Galt...As a Hack am I allowed to join the sentiment in this thread?


I don't think you're enough of an elitist to join the sentiment. :D

[Radii]

I'll gladly join this camp.



It eases my mind greatly to see a few conservatives sharing this viewpoint with me. Maybe we can all get along!

[Glengoyne]

It eases my mind greatly to see a few conservatives sharing this viewpoint with me. Maybe we can all get along!
Hey to top it off I didn't have too big a problem with Reno. If anything I felt like she was more of a do nothing than a real threat.

[BucDawg40]

If Ashcroft is indeed gone for good, then this is fantastic news! I just have this sick feeling that Bush would want him on the Supreme Court.

[Arles]

If Ashcroft is indeed gone for good, then this is fantastic news! I just have this sick feeling that Bush would want him on the Supreme Court.
And to think, I thought this move was to free up Ashcroft to become the secretary-general of the United Nations.

[Glengoyne]

And to think, I thought this move was to free up Ashcroft to become the secretary-general of the United Nations.
Good Stuff.

[Glengoyne]

Just thought of something.

Reno and Ashcroft are far from the worst examples of Attorney Generals. I believe they both tried to do their job well, and probably maintained a fairly clear conscience the whole time.

Robert Bork has to be among the worst examples of Attorney General in the history of the office. I couldn't believe it yesterday on Sean Hannity's radio show(I was driving home early, and he was on), he was villifying Arlen Specter and deifying Bork. What tripe.

[Crapshoot]

Just thought of something.

Reno and Ashcroft are far from the worst examples of Attorney Generals. I believe they both tried to do their job well, and probably maintained a fairly clear conscience the whole time.

Robert Bork has to be among the worst examples of Attorney General in the history of the office. I couldn't believe it yesterday on Sean Hannity's radio show(I was driving home early, and he was on), he was villifying Arlen Specter and deifying Bork. What tripe.

Are you really surprised ? Hannity's a hack. The guy I wish had a radio gig or a bigger presence is someone like Jonah Goldberg.

[Glengoyne]

Hannity's a hack.
Well I should probably listen more often, since I'm apparently a hack too.

That whole Birds of a Feather thing, you know.

[Axxon]

Reno was bad but Ashcroft come on. :eek:

But both of them together aren't as bad as Edwin Meese. Come on, that guy had two independent counsels called on him which equals Clinton but Clinton was president and served in his office longer.

Neither Reno nor Ashcroft was investigated even once and neither covered up the illegal dealings of the white house as Meese did with the Iran Contra affair nor were they forced to resign under scrutiny.

I'd gladly live under an Ashcroft than a Meese IMHO but given my choices you can keep all three of these clowns.

[Axxon]

It eases my mind greatly to see a few conservatives sharing this viewpoint with me. Maybe we can all get along!

Frankly, that the president would make a move like this does give me hope that the president is serious about trying to heal some of the divide in this country. Ashcroft is an amazingly polarizing figure and is the logical sacrifice to appease the other side.

Say what you will about the Bush family, they are loyal to their people. There's really no way in the world Cheney helped the republican ticket this year or 4 years from now but Bush refused to remove him from the ticket. Losing Ashcroft is a sacrifice for him.

Time will tell if this is a sincere gesture by the president. After all, he said the same thing four years ago and then he went and APPOINTED Ashcroft.

I can't help but be optomistic though. Somehow I get the feeling that the tone of this election scared him a bit. I don't think he minds being seen as a strong leader who fights for the values he believes in but at the same time I don't think he is ready for the consequences of alienating almost half the country any more than they already are and I'm not so sure he realized how bad things had gotten until it was too late and he had a reelection to win.

Now, his "lame duck" status works for him more as a fence mender than a bastion of the conservative right. If he tends to be more moderate and fence mend, then his conservative base gets mad but so what? He can't run again nor will Cheney so the conservatives jump behind whoever they were going to jump behind anyway and the party may well get a boost from those on the fence folks and moderate democrats who want to believe that the republican party isn't as bad as they fear.

If he can run a term like Ike's second term then he leaves office with a rebuilt legacy and leaves the party in good shape for 2k8. If he pushes then he risks both those things.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If the old saying is true, and the victors write the history books, Ashcroft will someday
be hailed as a hero if we overcome the challenges we've faced the past few years.
If we lose that battle, he'll be villified.

I can think of no one on earth I'd rather see ruling from the Supreme Court bench, he's of the increasingly rare breed that's willing to do what is necessary regardless of whether its politically correct.

[BucDawg40]

he's of the increasingly rare breed that's willing to do what is necessary regardless of whether its politically correct.


This includes covering up the 'indecent' Lady Justice, correct? :mad:

[Flasch186]

If the old saying is true, and the victors write the history books, Ashcroft will someday
be hailed as a hero if we overcome the challenges we've faced the past few years.
If we lose that battle, he'll be villified.

I can think of no one on earth I'd rather see ruling from the Supreme Court bench, he's of the increasingly rare breed that's willing to do what is necessary regardless of whether its politically correct.

I mean except for the fact that he shows absolutely NO seperation of church and state and treats anyone other than Christians as morally corrupt. Plus having total and complete disregard to the checks and balances in our government......God forbid, we have a case that involves civil liberties or religious freedoms get in front of him.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I mean except for the fact that he shows absolutely NO seperation of church and state and treats anyone other than Christians as morally corrupt. Plus having total and complete disregard to the checks and balances in our government......God forbid, we have a case that involves civil liberties or religious freedoms get in front of him.

Umm ... and your point :confused:

:D

[Samdari]

Reno was bad but Ashcroft come on. :eek:

Reno was incompetent. Ashcroft set out to end individual freedoms in this country, but, he was good at it. Depends on your standards.

[Subby]

Try and tell Elian Gonzalez that Reno was a do nothing AG!!!!

She kicked that kid's ass...

[KWhit]

"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved" - John Ashcroft
Did he really say that???

[John Galt]

Did he really say that???

Yes, in his resignation letter to Bush.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/10139133.htm?1c

[Chubby]

Did he really say that???
surprisingly yes.

[Butter]

If the old saying is true, and the victors write the history books, Ashcroft will someday
be hailed as a hero if we overcome the challenges we've faced the past few years.
If we lose that battle, he'll be villified.

I can think of no one on earth I'd rather see ruling from the Supreme Court bench, he's of the increasingly rare breed that's willing to do what is necessary regardless of whether its politically correct.

Man, you're funny. Hilarious, even.

[KWhit]

Yes, in his resignation letter to Bush.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/10139133.htm?1c
Wow. Just, wow.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Sorry Butter, I didn't say I believed Ashcroft-to-SCOTUS was likely to happen --
that would have been intentional comedy ... just that I would like to see it.

Think of it as being along the same lines my wishing for Zell Miller as either Sec of State or UN Ambassador.

The other part of it ... well, I pity anybody who doesn't get that part.

[Glengoyne]

Try and tell Elian Gonzalez that Reno was a do nothing AG!!!!

She kicked that kid's ass...
Right back to Cuba ...
with his father, and right where he belonged.

[Flasch186]

'Mission Accomplished'

perhaps a Production Assistant, without any approval, wrote Ashcroft's resignation letter.

[SackAttack]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041110/D8694G201.html

Why does this sound like Tweedledum to Ashcroft's Tweedledee?

[Blackadar]

These tidbits worry me from a Constitutional standpoint:

For instance, Gonzales publicly defended the administration's policy - essentially repudiated by the Supreme Court and now being fought out in the lower courts - of detaining certain terrorism suspects for extended periods without access to lawyers or courts.

He also wrote a controversial February 2002 memo in which Bush claimed the right to waive anti-torture law and international treaties providing protections to prisoners of war. That position drew fire from human rights groups, which said it helped led to the type of abuses uncovered in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

Of course, he didn't lose to a DEAD MAN in an election like Ashcroft.

[Arles]

These tidbits worry me from a Constitutional standpoint:

For instance, Gonzales publicly defended the administration's policy - essentially repudiated by the Supreme Court and now being fought out in the lower courts - of detaining certain terrorism suspects for extended periods without access to lawyers or courts.

He also wrote a controversial February 2002 memo in which Bush claimed the right to waive anti-torture law and international treaties providing protections to prisoners of war. That position drew fire from human rights groups, which said it helped led to the type of abuses uncovered in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

Of course, he didn't lose to a DEAD MAN in an election like Ashcroft.
But Gonzales does not possess the one trait that exceeds any action or prior behavior in importance to the left - he's not overtly religious. Therefore, few will have a problem with him as AG.

[Blackadar]

I don't mind religion, Arles - and I don't know too many on the Left that do either. The Right doesn't have the high ground on people of faith.

My experience is that the Left doesn't want it imposed on everyone, as found here:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/10/scotus.assisted.suicide.ap/index.html

For a party that claims "States' Rights", this isn't it. In addition, it's the attempted imposition of a specific set of religious beliefs on everyone.

[sterlingice]

Try and tell Elian Gonzalez that Reno was a do nothing AG!!!!

She kicked that kid's ass...
Yeah, Cuban kids the world round feared her.

"Now, go to sleep, dear."
"But I don't want to. I'm not tired."
"You'd better because Janet Reno could be in your closet or even under your bed!"
*scream*

SI

[Abe Sargent]

I'd look at appointing a great, moderate, lawyer who'd get the job done and who has been an ally of moderate republicans and who eschewed his party elite at times and whose appointment might be looked upon with great favor by the masses to due his political affliliation and former opponent status.

I hope you know who I mean....

-Anxiety

[sterlingice]

These tidbits worry me from a Constitutional standpoint:

For instance, Gonzales publicly defended the administration's policy - essentially repudiated by the Supreme Court and now being fought out in the lower courts - of detaining certain terrorism suspects for extended periods without access to lawyers or courts.

He also wrote a controversial February 2002 memo in which Bush claimed the right to waive anti-torture law and international treaties providing protections to prisoners of war. That position drew fire from human rights groups, which said it helped led to the type of abuses uncovered in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

Of course, he didn't lose to a DEAD MAN in an election like Ashcroft.
So, in other words, we replaced Ashcroft with his Lil' Buddy.

SI

[John Galt]

I'd look at appointing a great, moderate, lawyer who'd get the job done and who has been an ally of moderate republicans and who eschewed his party elite at times and whose appointment might be looked upon with great favor by the masses to due his political affliliation and former opponent status.

I hope you know who I mean....

-Anxiety

*blushes*

:cool:

[SackAttack]

So, in other words, we replaced Ashcroft with his Lil' Buddy.

SI

That's kinda the sense I got. Puts "lesser of two evils" in a whole new light.

[JonInMiddleGA]

So, in other words, we replaced Ashcroft with his Lil' Buddy.


Okay, if nobody else is gonna do it ...

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