OT: Tomorrow We Can Kill JFK!

[DeToxRox]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6549265/

lol. wow. talk about low on ideas.

[Suicane75]

This is just........whats the word im looking........sick....reprehensible...indefensible. That sums it up well.

[Hurst2112]

Waiting for Tapper 2 so I can kill Teddy K.

Bonus round of Tapper 2 is a late night, drunken car ride. Press B to climb out of the river.

[Cringer]

wow, as someone with no morals what-so-ever, even i think that is horrible.

[Desnudo]

This is just........whats the word im looking........sick....reprehensible...indefensible. That sums it up well.

Outrageous, salacious, ridiculous.

[miami_fan]

wow, as someone with no morals what-so-ever, even i think that is horrible.

Agreed!

[Crapshoot]

hold on - every game based around killing thousands of germans or vietnamese or whatever is fair, but an assasination is different ? This boundary was crossed long ago - lets not get moral about it now.

[GoldenEagle]

Point to Crapshoot (even though I have no idea who he is and he has 1200 posts).

[Crapshoot]

Point to Crapshoot (even though I have no idea who he is and he has 1200 posts).

i changed my user name- it was "Aadi" before- didnt want my name showing up in too many places... :D

[GoldenEagle]

You can just change your name and not lose posts?

[Buccaneer]

hold on - every game based around killing thousands of germans or vietnamese or whatever is fair, but an assasination is different ? This boundary was crossed long ago - lets not get moral about it now.
...or run over folks in cool cars or take on the roll of a gangster thug or kill as a covert operator or ...

I think what people are reacting to is the singular nature of this simulation. If it was part of a action story or covert mission, then I don't think it would be as controversal. We have done worse as gamers.

[kcchief19]

hold on - every game based around killing thousands of germans or vietnamese or whatever is fair, but an assasination is different ? This boundary was crossed long ago - lets not get moral about it now.Which I think would make the argument that all games of that nature are immoral, not that the line has been crossed so it's OK now. By that logic, we'd have lots of boobies on network television after the Janet Jackson incident.

I agree with Bucc. I think there is a distinction that while other games may have a violent, fictional setting, the idea of making money off a singularly violent and horrific moment for many people in this country is disturbing.

[Cringer]

I agree with Bucc. I think there is a distinction that while other games may have a violent, fictional setting, the idea of making money off a singularly violent and horrific moment for many people in this country is disturbing.

agreed. as I said I have no morals and love GTA:San Andreas and other such games. If this were a fictional president (and the setting could not be exactly the same either) and it was part of a story line of a game, then fine by me. But this is JFK, set up to be exactly the same (in their sheep like, government believing minds ;) ) and that is all it is. No real story, just a recreation.

[Crapshoot]

Which I think would make the argument that all games of that nature are immoral, not that the line has been crossed so it's OK now. By that logic, we'd have lots of boobies on network television after the Janet Jackson incident.

I agree with Bucc. I think there is a distinction that while other games may have a violent, fictional setting, the idea of making money off a singularly violent and horrific moment for many people in this country is disturbing.

Violent, non-fictional settings such as Vietnam, or Germany- or games like Castle Wolfenstein when you are meant to kill some very real characters are hardly much different. This is a case of people not wanting their sacred cows subject to something reserved for others. Do I like it ? No. Do I think its in any way different than an assasination mission in in many many other games ? No.

Bernad Shaw had it best- we've established what we are - now we're hagging over price (in this case -non monetary).

[Suicane75]

...or run over folks in cool cars or take on the roll of a gangster thug or kill as a covert operator or ...

I think what people are reacting to is the singular nature of this simulation. If it was part of a action story or covert mission, then I don't think it would be as controversal. We have done worse as gamers.


For better or worse there is a difference between a single person and a group of people, ive played shooter games and the like and I understand what you're saying, but if someone came out with a game called "Kill Buccs Grandma" wouldn't you be completely sickened and outraged by it?

Also, there is a difference between a company that wants to make a shooter game and decides to set it Vietnam or WW2 and a company that wants to capatalize on the JFK Murder and makes a game about it.


I only used you as an example because thats who i'm responding to, if you want me to get rid of that part i gladly will.

[Buccaneer]

Suicane, that's fine. To add on, you talk about warfare such as WW2 and Vietnam and that may not be a good analogy. I see no difference in this game than any of those tactical covert games such as Rainbow 6 and the like. The mechanics and settings are the same except this time, we have a person with a real and sacred name. Personally, I don't play any tactical shooters and certainly would not play this. The only recourse we should have is not more govt intervention or restricting creativity, but not to buy.

[Suicane75]

I think, small as it may be to some, is that a company that wants to make a war game first, then decides where its gonna be set, whereas this company simply wanted to do something shocking and then decided on this game. I think the intent has to be taken into account.

[Crapshoot]

I think, small as it may be to some, is that a company that wants to make a war game first, then decides where its gonna be set, whereas this company simply wanted to do something shocking and then decided on this game. I think the intent has to be taken into account.

Im going to disagree- firstly, how do you determine intent in many cases (say Germany - Im certain companies start with WW II in mind) and secondly, why is it at its root different - in either case, the net result is the same. This game is more shocking I suppose- but I dont see it as fundementally different.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think the other important thing to take into account about this is yes, they are charging for it ($9.99) but it also looks like from the comments of the head of the company that their motivation is to prove to people that there wasn't a conspiracy behind the assasination. That's why it is setup exactly to do the Kennedy assassination, and you get points the more "realistic" your wounds on Kennedy are. So rather than being outraged at the topic (as a Mass. Democrat I have the utmost respect for the Kennedy legacy, but I agree with others that we've crossed this line a million times before), I think I am even more outraged at the stated agenda behind the game: to try to show to everyone who "buys" the game that a single assassin could have been responsible and it didn't require a conspiracy.

[Suicane75]

I doubt very highly that this game, no matter what they say, is supposed to teach us anything. I think it's entire objective is shock value.

[Suicane75]

Im going to disagree- firstly, how do you determine intent in many cases (say Germany - Im certain companies start with WW II in mind) and secondly, why is it at its root different - in either case, the net result is the same. This game is more shocking I suppose- but I dont see it as fundementally different.

Because I think companies start out with a game in mind, and then decide parameters of it, "we need to come out with a good war game this year, should we do a Vietnam, WW2 or fictional setting" I dont think they sit around saying "hey, lets make a game where gooks get blown up, that'll cause an uproar!!!" Forgive me for being so blunt but i wanna make my point. It may indeed come out the same in the end to some people, but i think that objective is a mighty big thing.

[TroyF]

I doubt very highly that this game, no matter what they say, is supposed to teach us anything. I think it's entire objective is shock value.


Agreed.

[Franklinnoble]

I'm waiting for a good John Wilkes Booth sim.

[stevew]

Its pretty harsh that people are trying to kill John F. Kerry after he narrowly lost the election. I cant believe that someone took the time and effort to create a game where you try to sink his swiftboat.

[KWhit]

I'm waiting for a good John Wilkes Booth sim.
"Well, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

[Subby]

Just as an aside, I had the pleasure of visiting the museum at the Book Depository this summer when I was in Dallas with my family. Absolutely fascinating experience - one of the best museum experiences I have ever had...

[Blackadar]

This is just tasteless. This is the one game I'd love to warez just on General Principal, even if I never played it.

[Franklinnoble]

What I want to know is if I can play as Jack Ruby....


http://www.doctorcosmo.com/oswald/images/oswaldoriginal.jpg

[Router Help]

What I want to know is if I can play as Jack Ruby....
I don't know, but I know Ruby can play!

http://www.cannet.com/~reesedw/oswaldsinger.jpe

[DaddyTorgo]

what i want to know is...where is the website?? I can't find it, and I least want to see...what's going on with it.

[stkelly52]

what i want to know is...where is the website?? I can't find it, and I least want to see...what's going on with it.
here is the new link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6549955/

[Franklinnoble]

Anyone have a link to the actual company website?

[Router Help]

http://www.jfkreloaded.net/

[Franklinnoble]

Sweet. I'm still waiting for a John Hinckley mod, but I might check out the demo.

[Maple Leafs]

On the "tastelessness scale", I'm going to slot this one ahead of GTA, but still slightly behind that one from last year where you had to detonate your suicide bomb as close as possible to the women and children.

[Hurst2112]

Just as an aside, I had the pleasure of visiting the museum at the Book Depository this summer when I was in Dallas with my family. Absolutely fascinating experience - one of the best museum experiences I have ever had...

Did you get to go into the sewer...and look through the drain grate. You know, the one where the other gunmen was hiding. ;)

[Hurst2112]

On the "tastelessness scale", I'm going to slot this one ahead of GTA, but still slightly behind that one from last year where you had to detonate your suicide bomb as close as possible to the women and children.


Bonus round is you playing as Jackie O. You have 30 seconds to take the skull pieces and put them back together...while trying to hang onto the speeding car.

Sorry, had to do it.

[MacroGuru]

Akright, I initially thought this was classless. I was appalled.

I downloaded the demo, and you see through the eyes of Lee Harvey, but are not allowed to shoot.

I will admit right now I made the purchase, just to see...

It turns into something more interesting.

It's not this total gore fest go hog wild and try to wipe out the president.

The goal is to recreated what Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly did and prove that there wasn't a conspiracy.

You can take as many shots as you want, however, anything above 3 counts againts you. You have 1 minute between the first and third shot to try and recreate what Oswald did. Right now, from what I can tell with this, it is only strengthening the case towards more than one person.

They say the first shot must miss, the second shot must be "The Magical" bullet, and the 3rd shot, well, you try and replicate that one..

When you have finished your shots, and either miss, kill, or injure JFK and the car speeds away, it breaks down into a forensic type, ballistical analysis of your shots.

The only thing I do not like about it is the fact it scores you out of 1000. I would rather continue to study the ballistics of the situation.

JFK is interesting to me, historically, and this aspect of his life was gut wrenching, and I have always leaned towards the conspiracy, more than one person wing, and it is still there, but I had to see what it was about.

[Franklinnoble]

Does anyone else think that the Department of Homeland Security will be watching the downloads of this game very closely?

[Karlifornia]

Point-Counterpoint: Should I be upset about this game?

-The uproar of this game will be big, but could you imagine the insanity if there were an MLK assasination game? Geez.

-Grand Theft Auto has you doing things worse than this game, but none of the people you kill are real, much less famous.

-They wanted to make a forensics game and used JFK scenario for publicity, or they wanted to use the JFK scenario for publicity, but didn't have a reason for it. Answer me this and I'll decide just how deep this dives into the poor taste pool.