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Franklinnoble
11-22-2004, 04:01 PM
http://www.nysun.com/article/5137

Saudis, Arabs Funneled Millions to President Clinton's Library

BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 22, 2004

LITTLE ROCK, ARK. - President Clinton's new $165 million library here was funded in part by gifts of $1 million or more each from the Saudi royal family and three Saudi businessmen.

The governments of Dubai, Kuwait, and Qatar and the deputy prime minister of Lebanon all also appear to have donated $1 million or more for the archive and museum that opened last week.

Democrats spent much of the presidential campaign this year accusing President Bush of improperly close ties to Saudi Arabia. The case was made in Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11," in a bestselling book by Craig Unger titled "House of Bush, House of Saud," and by the Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Kerry."This administration delayed pressuring the Saudis," Mr. Kerry said on October 20. "I will insist that the Saudis crack down on charities that funnel funds to terrorists... and on anti-American and anti-Israel hate speech."The Media Fund, a Democratic group whose president is a former Clinton White House aide, Harold Ickes, spent millions airing television commercials in swing states with scripts such as, "The Saudi royal family...wealthy...powerful...corrupt. And close Bush family friends."

Perhaps as a result, the Saudi donations to the Clinton library are raising some eyebrows. Mr. Unger said he suspects that the Saudi support may have something to do with a possible presidential bid by Senator Clinton in 2008.

"They want to keep their options open no matter who's in power and whether that's four years from now or whatever," the author said. "Just a few million is nothing to them to keep their options open."

The chief financial officer for the William J. Clinton Presidential Foundation, Andrew Kessel, said that the vast majority of the roughly 113,000 donors to the foundation are ordinary Americans who made small gifts.

"We have 91,000 who gave $100 or less," he said in an interview Friday. "It's not all Saudi princes."

Information about the donors is available to the public on a single touch-screen computer mounted on a wall on the third floor of the recently opened library. Eventually, most who have contributed $100,000 or more will be listed on a wall in the museum's lobby, Mr. Kessel said.

However, some donors have asked that their names not be released. "We don't have many," Mr. Kessel said, adding, "It doesn't involve anyone controversial."

The computer lists donors by categories that correspond to the size of the gift. But there are no dollar figures provided for each of the funding levels.

Asked why the donor categories were not publicly defined, Mr. Kessel said,"It was a decision we made.We really don't need to at this point."

As a charitable organization, the Clinton Foundation is not required to make the names of its donors or the amounts of their gifts public. However, some of the other foundations that contributed to the library have disclosed their gifts on financial reports that are available from the Internal Revenue Service. By comparing those reports with the donor categories on the third-floor computer screen in the library, The New York Sun was able to match donor categories with approximate dollar amounts.

The highest tier,"Trustees," includes donations from 57 individuals, couples, or other entities. IRS reports reviewed by the Sun show that the foundations at this level have generally given or pledged $1 million or more. The Wasserman Foundation of Los Angeles, founded by movie mogul Lew Wasserman, gave the Clinton library $3 million. The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable Trust pledged $4 million. The Anheuser-Busch Foundation has given $200,000 annually for the last several years as part of what appears to be a $1 million pledge.The Annenberg Foundation also gave $1 million.

The Saudi royal family and the governments of Dubai, Kuwait, and Qatar donated at this "Trustee" level, as did the governments of Brunei and Taiwan. Also listed as trustees are three Saudi businessmen - Abdullah Al-Dabbagh, Nasser Al-Rashid, and Walid Juffali.

Other notables at the "Trustee" level include the deputy prime minister of Lebanon, Issam Fares; Hollywood director Steven Spielberg and his wife, actress Kate Capshaw, and an heir to the Wal-Mart fortune, Alice Walton.

The next tier down is labeled "Philanthropists." A major New York labor organization, Local 1199 of the Service Employees International Union, donated at this level, which appears to correspond to gifts of $500,000 to $1 million. Also donating in this range was the editor of the Las Vegas Sun, Brian Greenspun, who was one of Mr. Clinton's roommates at Yale.

On the level below that are the "Humanitarians." Based on benchmarks available from other sources, the "Humanitarians" seem to have given between $100,000 and $500,000. In their ranks are the King of Morocco, Mohammed VI, as well as a Pakistani-American businessman from California, Farooq Bajwa. Several perennial Clinton donors are on this list, such as the Big Apple Supermarkets chief, John Catsimatidis, and a San Diego class action lawyer, William Lerach. The U.S.-Islamic World Conference gave at the Humanitarian level, as did several Jewish groups, the Jewish Communal Fund, the Jewish Community Foundation, and the University of Judaism, according to the information available on the computer screen in the Clinton Library here.

The most controversial known donation to Mr. Clinton's library is also recorded at this level: a gift from a Manhattan socialite and singer, Denise Rich. Ms. Rich gave the foundation $450,000 while her fugitive ex-husband, Marc Rich, was seeking a pardon on tax-evasion and racketeering charges. Mr. Clinton granted the pardon hours before he left office, triggering a federal criminal investigation, as well as congressional inquiries.

As a result of that flap, a House committee voted in 2001 to require public disclosure of all large donations to presidential libraries. But the legislation stalled.

Another confounding aspect of the donor list available at the Clinton library is that, in nearly every case, it lacks any information beyond the name of the individual or company who gave. There are no hometowns or addresses for the donors and only in rare instances is there mention of an employer. Campaign finance records generally include this data.

Many of the numerous $100 gifts were for the inscribed bricks, or "pavers," that surround fountains just in front of the building.The same computer that lists the major donors also shows the minor ones where to find their paver. As a result, lines at the sole terminal are sometimes long.

President George H.W. Bush's library, which opened in 1997 in College Station,Texas, also received significant financial support from overseas. The governments of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Japan each gave $1 million or more, while the People's Republic of China donated between $50,000 and $100,000.

The Chinese communist government may also have chipped in for Mr. Clinton's library. The Chinese Overseas Real Estate Development company gave at the $100,000 or higher level. So did the National Opera of Paris.

Fund-raising for the Clinton Library began in 1999, while Mr. Clinton was still in office. However, the fund-raising team reportedly refrained from soliciting gifts from foreigners or foreign governments until Mr. Clinton left the White House in January 2001. Aides to the former president said the donations support not only the library complex, but also the foundation's other work, such as distributing AIDS drugs abroad and shoring up small businesses in Harlem.

Mr. Unger, who wrote "House of Bush, House of Saud," said he thinks the gifts to Mr. Clinton's library pale in comparison to business deals that Mr. Bush's family has done with the Saudis. The author said the gifts to ex-presidents are designed to encourage a pro-Saudi attitude on the part of present or future occupants of the White House. "It would be surprising if they didn't give," Mr. Unger said."The Saudis have given to every presidential library for the last 30 years, Republican and Democrat."

A Washington Post editorial on Thursday decried the lack of disclosure of the Clinton Library's funders, calling it "outrageous." Said the editorial,"the presidential libraries, though built and endowed with private funds, are public property, run by the National Archives. The public has a right to know who's underwriting them."

DeToxRox
11-22-2004, 04:09 PM
Touche

sterlingice
11-22-2004, 04:19 PM
Wow. I didn't know Hugh Hefner and Bob Guccione were Saudis. Learn a new thing every day.

SI

Franklinnoble
11-22-2004, 04:31 PM
Wow. I didn't know Hugh Hefner and Bob Guccione were Saudis. Learn a new thing every day.

SI

They're in it for the 40 virgins at the end.

Flasch186
11-22-2004, 05:07 PM
no doubt, but its still not right, and now that Saudi Arabia is being overrun by massad's its time to treat them like we do the other countries that spawn hate for us...like Syria. CUT 'em off and send more troops to Afghanistan and more NATO troops, and UN troops and American troops to Sudan. Maybe everyone forgot about the holocaust....You know, we signed a declaration after that that all civilized countries in the world from that point forward would stop at nothing to keep genocide from occuring again. Clinton did that, W did it (in a way), but now we let the Sudanese Christians get wiped off the face of the planet. I dont get it.

Glengoyne
11-22-2004, 05:35 PM
... send more troops to Afghanistan and more NATO troops, and UN troops and American troops to Sudan. Maybe everyone forgot about the holocaust....You know, we signed a declaration after that that all civilized countries in the world from that point forward would stop at nothing to keep genocide from occuring again. Clinton did that, W did it (in a way), but now we let the Sudanese Christians get wiped off the face of the planet. I dont get it.
War Monger!

I only say that because I am one too. Well I at least agree with you.

Franklinnoble
11-22-2004, 05:39 PM
I agree... something should be done about the situation in the Sudan. The lack of action by the current administration on this matter is a little disturbing to me.

Flasch186
11-22-2004, 07:31 PM
I agree... something should be done about the situation in the Sudan. The lack of action by the current administration on this matter is a little disturbing to me.


Perhaps if they had a desperately needed resource things would be different. I dont know, REGARDLESS, it shouldnt be. We are NOT finished with the job in afghanistan and I think a re-born approach, a re-invigorated focus on getting Osama is important.

Im not a war monger but I think that we should always stand for Justice if we're going to "talk the talk". That is why I'm a dem. and for the war in Iraq. I felt that Saddam killed far too many innocents to stay in power, HOWEVER, the lack of foresight is criminal. The lack of preparation was/is just terrible and now that Bush doesnt have to worry about being re-elected perhaps he'll be able to "Flip Flop" and change the path, to whatever his experts deem to be a more efficient, viable approach.

Leonidas
11-22-2004, 08:01 PM
The chief financial officer for the William J. Clinton Presidential Foundation, Andrew Kessel, said that the vast majority of the roughly 113,000 donors to the foundation are ordinary Americans who made small gifts.

"We have 91,000 who gave $100 or less," he said in an interview Friday. "It's not all Saudi princes."

So that leaves over $156M from the rest. HHmm, yup, sure looks like most of that money came from just ordinary folks.

dawgfan
11-22-2004, 08:11 PM
Well, to be fair his comment was "...the vast majority of the...donors..." which is correct. He was talking about the percentage of donors, as opposed to the percentage of the money donated.

Leonidas
11-22-2004, 08:25 PM
Well, to be fair his comment was "...the vast majority of the...donors..." which is correct. He was talking about the percentage of donors, as opposed to the percentage of the money donated.

JUst a clever way of hiding out in the open the fact Clinton spent 8 years using the Oval Office as a recruiting base to court the global elite for donations. And he did not have sexual relations with that woman either.

Dutch
11-22-2004, 08:55 PM
I agree... something should be done about the situation in the Sudan. The lack of action by the current administration on this matter is a little disturbing to me.

There is that whole European Union, Russia, China and a billion other people who are not tied up right now. I don't see them doing a damn thing worth while in Sudan, either. It's not all "dubya's" fault.

Flasch186
11-22-2004, 09:13 PM
There is that whole European Union, Russia, China and a billion other people who are not tied up right now. I don't see them doing a damn thing worth while in Sudan, either. It's not all "dubya's" fault.


WOAH WOAH WOAH, when we were revving up to go to Iraq for Humanitarian reasons on top of the WMD, We stood atop the pedestal and said, you're either with us or youre irrelevant. We proclaimed proudly that we are the leaders of the world and thus will lead the charge to do what is "right". I find it sooo hypocritical that when its convenient we can be the leaders but the minute it maybe isnt so convenient or perhaps were bouncing back or trolling through what many believe might've been a mistake, we say, "hey, where is everybody else? Were not the world's policemen." Talk about trying to have it both ways. I think we are the leaders of the world and have a moral responsibility to stand up against genocide. Our leaders agreed to that after WWII, but I guess it might not look too bad to say that that piece of paper is irrelevant, "say world.....in our view, Genocide's okay now.....just dont start enriching Uranium or we'll come getcha!!"

Franklinnoble
11-23-2004, 02:01 AM
Perhaps if they had a desperately needed resource things would be different. I dont know, REGARDLESS, it shouldnt be. We are NOT finished with the job in afghanistan and I think a re-born approach, a re-invigorated focus on getting Osama is important.

Im not a war monger but I think that we should always stand for Justice if we're going to "talk the talk". That is why I'm a dem. and for the war in Iraq. I felt that Saddam killed far too many innocents to stay in power, HOWEVER, the lack of foresight is criminal. The lack of preparation was/is just terrible and now that Bush doesnt have to worry about being re-elected perhaps he'll be able to "Flip Flop" and change the path, to whatever his experts deem to be a more efficient, viable approach.

You're the first Democrat I've agreed with in a long time. No wonder you haven't made it in Hollywood yet. ;)

Flasch186
11-23-2004, 07:36 AM
You're the first Democrat I've agreed with in a long time. No wonder you haven't made it in Hollywood yet. ;)


yet

Franklinnoble
11-23-2004, 10:45 AM
yet

I was sure to qualify it. :D

It'd be hella cool to see you become the next George Clooney or something... think I could be part of your posse?

Dutch
11-23-2004, 11:32 AM
WOAH WOAH WOAH, when we were revving up to go to Iraq for Humanitarian reasons on top of the WMD, We stood atop the pedestal and said, you're either with us or youre irrelevant. We proclaimed proudly that we are the leaders of the world and thus will lead the charge to do what is "right". I find it sooo hypocritical that when its convenient we can be the leaders but the minute it maybe isnt so convenient or perhaps were bouncing back or trolling through what many believe might've been a mistake, we say, "hey, where is everybody else? Were not the world's policemen." Talk about trying to have it both ways. I think we are the leaders of the world and have a moral responsibility to stand up against genocide. Our leaders agreed to that after WWII, but I guess it might not look too bad to say that that piece of paper is irrelevant, "say world.....in our view, Genocide's okay now.....just dont start enriching Uranium or we'll come getcha!!"

Wow, you really dislike America's foreign affairs. However, you have never criticized Europe's, Russia's, or China's foreign affairs. So I ask you, if in this instance (the Sudan question), USA is doing nothing, why are the oft praised Europeans, Russians, and Chineese doing nothing as well.

My point is that President Bush did not tell anybody what to do with regard to the Sudan, yet, they all sit idly by, shoulder to shoulder with the United States. I don't see where you manage to think that is President Bush's fault.

Arles
11-23-2004, 02:59 PM
The Saudis have had their hand in Clinton, Carter, Ford, Bush and even Reagan's presidencies long before W. It once again shows the lack of context Moore gave in his movie that led people down the path he wanted them to follow (not the true one). It ranks right up there with blaming Bush for the Taliban showing up in Texas while he was governer. Never mind the fact they were personal guests of Clinton's state department in the late 90s and there was nothing Bush could have done about their appearance in Texas.