New Weight Ranges for Positions in v5.1a

[Rhone Ranger]

Just doing a little obsessive-compulsive testing of the excellent new FOF v5.1a here. To the best of my ability I've compiled the allowed weight ranges the game uses when deciding whether you're allowed to change a player's position. The ranges are now a little broader than they were in v5.0. Sorry if this has already been posted elsewhere. :p

RB 265 or less
FB/TE 210 and up
WR 235 or less
C any
G 270 and up
T 275 and up
DT 280 and up
DE 255-315
ILB 215-280
SLB 220-275
WLB 220-270
CB 225 or less
S 235 or less

Note that players in the data file, or players available in the draft can have weights that fall outside of these ranges. These are the weight ranges you're restricted to when changing a player's position. Sometimes you'll notice that a player can't change to his own "type", e.g. a 252-pound LDE cannot switch his position to RDE.

[daedalus]

Wow. Good show, Rhone Ranger. Thank you. :)

[Danny]

WR seems kind of off. It looked like David Boston was up around 260+ there for a while.

[cuervo72]

WR seems kind of off. It looked like David Boston was up around 260+ there for a while.

Well, David Boston is kind of off...

[Danny]

Well, David Boston is kind of off...

True :p. But, I think where were even a couple Wide Receivers elgible in this past draft that were above 235, one for sure weighed in at 244. It just seems a little light to me with receivers getting bigger these days.

[gstelmack]

You might want to post this info over here: http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=26256. It's linked in the Reference thread.

Great, now I've got to go update the Draft Analyzer beta with the new info...

[gstelmack]

Are you sure that Center is "Any"? Have you found anybody less than 260 pounds that can switch to Center? If so, what position were they? There are also position limits on switches (see the other thread I linked to), and I'm trying to find out if only an OL can switch to C, regardless of weight, or if it's still a 260-pound min on Centers (I have a 259-pound TE that can't switch to C, for example).

[Pyser]

are you sure this list is the weight a player needs to be to switch positions? and not just a list of weights where he found players at the position?

[Celeval]

There's definately more to it than this.

RDT Phil Tanaka (Year 2) - 6-0, 279, can change to: LT, LG, C, RG, RT, LDE, RDE, SILB, MLB, WILB
LDE Tyoka Jackson (Year 11) - 6-2, 280, can change to: LDT, NT, RDT, RDE, SILB, MLB, WILB
RDT Rico Pearson (Year 2) - 6-2, 283, can change to: LT, LG, C, RG, RT, LDE, LDT, NT, RDE

This seems to imply there's some sort of other factor. Perhaps years in league will limit?

[gstelmack]

Position switching from has a big impact. DTs can move to OL, but not DEs. And there are max weights; I have a 271-lb DE that can move to the LB spots, but a 291-lb DE can't. From your data it looks like 280 is the upper limit for LB.

The position you come from also has a big impact on how successful you will be at the new position (along with weight). I'm not looking at years in the league, so I can't comment if this has any impact (I vaguely recall a mention once-upon-a-time that rookies will have an easier time switching to a new position, but that would only impact how much skill was lost, not whether you could or not).

Again, more detailed discussion is going on in this older thread:

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/fo...ead.php?t=26256 (showthread.php?t=26256)

[Rhone Ranger]

Sorry guys I made a typo in my original ILB minimum number. The minimum is 225, not 215. Here's the updated list:

RB 265 or less
FB/TE 210 and up
WR 235 or less
C any
G 270 and up
T 275 and up
DT 280 and up
DE 255-315
ILB 225-280
SLB 220-275
WLB 220-270
CB 225 or less
S 235 or less

I generated these numbers by doing a series of "random" drafts, and then trying to change players to other positions. I did this multiple times, purposely drafting players of various sizes at all positions until I could find the dividing lines at each one.

To answer some of the issues people mentioned:

I listed C as "any" because as far as I can tell, the only positions (regardless of weight) that are allowed to change to offensive line (C, G, or T) are defensive tackles or other offensive linemen. And I was never able to find anyone at these positions (or people I changed into DTs) too light to change to Center. I suppose it's possible that a superlightweight G or T or DT could appear in the draft, and it would be interesting to see if the game allows him to switch to C. I haven't yet seen anyone this small though (the lightest I could find was a 265lb OT and he was allowed to switch to C).

Also, I wasn't clear before about something the game apparently does: weights are not the only restriction on position changes. For example, even if the weight is OK, a DE cannot change directly to any OL position. He must change to DT first, and then he can change to OL. Similarly, an OL can change to DE only if he changes to DT first, and then to DE. This explains what Celeval was seeing. Here's a rough table of what positions may change immediately to what (subject also to the weight restrictions above). I haven't 100% tested this yet though.

From: To
QB: Sk DB
Sk: DB
OL: DT
DT: OL DE LB
DE: DT LB
LB: DT DE DB
DB: Sk LB

Where "Sk" stands for "skill position", meaning: RB, FB, TE, WR. Also, players can change within their own "group" (e.g. CB to S, because they're both DB - again, still subject to the weight limits).

In a related thread (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=26256) Pyser mentions that thinks the DE values may depend on something other than weight. I haven't been able to find any DT or LB in the 255-315 weight range who is not allowed to switch to DE so maybe Pyser was noticing the positional restriction rather than the weight restriction? (e.g. a 314lb OL is not directly allowed to switch to DE because of position, while a 314lb DT is allowed).