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SirFozzie
12-24-2004, 11:38 AM
TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) Assailants claiming to be members of a revolutionary group opposed to the death penalty ambushed a bus filled with people bringing home Christmas gifts and killed at least 28 people, including six children, in an escalation of the battle between gangs and Honduras' government.

The bus with more than 50 people aboard, most of them women and children, was driving through a heavily populated neighborhood in the northern city of Chamelecon on Thursday evening when a car of gunmen cut in front of it and forced it to stop, police spokesman Deputy Commissioner Wilmer Torres said.

The assailants jumped out of the car and began shooting, while attackers in a second car fired from behind and then alongside the bus, he said.

Sixteen of the victims were killed aboard the bus while 12 others, including two children and 10 women, died after being taken to a public hospital in the nearby city of San Pedro Sula, Torres said. More than a dozen others were injured. Many of the passengers were coming home with bags filled with gifts and food for Christmas, Torres said.

The driver of the bus, Guillermo Salgado, died in the attack. His body was found slumped over the steering wheel. The attack took place in the San Isidro district of the city, 125 miles north of the capital Tegucigalpa.

Police arrested a suspect driving a car similar to one identified by witnesses as having been at the site of the attack. The suspect is an alleged member of violent gangs that have terrorized residents, mostly in the poor neighborhoods of Honduras' major cities.

The suspect was carrying a .38-caliber pistol and several automatic weapons, Torres said.

The assailants left a large piece of paper taped to the windshield of the bus with a message saying they represented a revolutionary group that opposes the death penalty. The message contained ''vulgar words'' against President Ricardo Maduro, Congress President Porfirio Lobo Sosa and Security Minister Oscar Alvarez, Torres said.

The note warned ''people should take advantage of this Christmas, because the next one will be worse,'' Torres said.

The attack came amid an escalating fight between gangs and the government. Two days earlier, Alvarez announced authorities had uncovered plans by drug traffickers and criminals to assassinate the Honduran president and his family.

''The reports establish that drug traffickers and organized crime have given the gang members the necessary information for them to carry out the attack against the president ... and that worries us,'' Alvarez said at the time.

Honduran gangs claim more than 100,000 members and control poor neighborhoods in major cities, where they are known for extorting ''protection'' money from residents.

Maduro has waged a zero-tolerance campaign against gang activity. At his bidding, Congress approved a law in August 2003 that sentences gang members to up to 12 years in prison. Gangs have responded with gruesome attacks, including the beheading and dismembering of victims, whose bodies have been left in public places.

Maduro said Monday he was increasing security for himself and his family. After Thursday's attack, he offered his sympathy to the families of the victims and said he would fly to San Pedro Sula to meet with them.

''My government won't tolerate the kind of massacre that has the objective of threatening and scaring the people. ... We are reacting with force,'' he said.

Earlier this year, Alvarez claimed al-Qaida was trying to recruit gang members to carry out terror attacks, but U.S. and other Central American officials have said there is no evidence to support that.

Lobo Sosa is one of four candidates who will compete in February to determine the ruling National Party's presidential candidate for November elections. Lobo has suggested instituting the death penalty for severe crimes such as murder, rape and kidnapping. Honduras abolished the death penalty in the 1950s.

''What happened tonight is a barbaric and cowardly act unlike very few we have seen in Honduras' history,'' Maduro said in an address broadcast nationally on radio and television stations Thursday. ''It is an attack against all Hondurans.''

The president said joint police-military operations had been launched to find the attackers. The government was offering a $50,000 reward for information that would lead to their capture.

fantastic flying froggies
12-24-2004, 11:48 AM
well, maybe they 're against the Death penalty only when applied to criminals and murderers. Maybe it's OK when it's innocent bystanders and kids...Geez...

I got nothing.

Suicane75
12-24-2004, 11:50 AM
Why we let crap like this continue in South America i'll never know. Well, I think I have an idea, but no political threads today. :)

Tekneek
12-24-2004, 12:01 PM
Why we let crap like this continue in South America i'll never know.

Instability in our hemisphere poses no threat to us. If it posed a threat to us, we'd certainly have invaded and brought democracy and freedom to that lawless society. If the Honduras government proclaims these rebels as drug runners, we should have people there trying to poison their water in no time.

Suicane75
12-24-2004, 12:09 PM
Instability in our hemisphere poses no threat to us. If it posed a threat to us, we'd certainly have invaded and brought democracy and freedom to that lawless society. If the Honduras government proclaims these rebels as drug runners, we should have people there trying to poison their water in no time.

Actually I doubt that, mainly because I think oil for the rich white men is more important to certain people than keeping the drugs out of certain places, but as I said, no politics today. :)

Tekneek
12-24-2004, 12:11 PM
It would certainly make no sense for anti-death penalty activists to shoot up innocent people.

It's not unusual for people to have contradictions like that, though. They obviously feel it is ok for them to kill, but not for the government to kill.

There are people here who think it is ok for the government to kill, but not for you to kill.

Klinglerware
12-24-2004, 12:12 PM
Well, I'm not sure what the Death Penalty really has anything to do with the gang ideology. It would certainly make no sense for anti-death penalty activists to shoot up innocent people.

The issue here is that Honduras has a violent crime problem. The government wants to do what it thinks it needs to do to take care of this threat. Knowing the history of the Honduran government, I wouldn't be surprised if the government (or pro-government paramilitary) was behind this in order to get the population behind the government on this one. That Alvarez guy trying to tie the gang members with al-Qaeda is also an attempt along those lines (as well as getting sympathy from the US).

Tekneek
12-24-2004, 12:18 PM
But the article says that there is no death penalty. The anti-death penalty people currently have what they want! Why would they screw it up by getting the whole country up in arms?

This looks suspicious.

Devil's Advocate here...I wasn't saying it made any sense. It is not unreasonable to think the government may have had something to do with it. Our own government distorts the truth to further its own agenda. Why would we find it unusual for a smaller nation to do the same?

Klinglerware
12-24-2004, 12:21 PM
It's not unusual for people to have contradictions like that, though. They obviously feel it is ok for them to kill, but not for the government to kill.

There are people here who think it is ok for the government to kill, but not for you to kill.

But the article says that there is no death penalty. The anti-death penalty people currently have what they want! Why would they screw it up by getting the whole country up in arms?

This looks suspicious.

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