Lost: Season 1 & 2 Discussions

[jbmagic]

on tonight espisode , why jack look upset, he had a key in his hand.

i miss the first part of the show

thANKS

[stevew]

The key was to the suitcase that had some of the girls personal belongings in it(several 9mm pistols) that her marshall was traveling with. She was afraid that if someone else opened it, that they would also learn about her felony past. www.televisionwithoutpity.com has good summaries if you miss something.

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh thanks Steve. I have to go to that website. I love Lost but haven't been able to watch the last couple of weeks because my mom has to watch West Wing or another stupid show. I need to find a station that shows reruns so i can catch up.

[cthomer5000]

Oh thanks Steve. I have to go to that website. I love Lost but haven't been able to watch the last couple of weeks because my mom has to watch West Wing or another stupid show. I need to find a station that shows reruns so i can catch up.
You might actually be in luck. The two weeks before tonight were re-runs. Depending on how many weeks you missed, you might not have missed a thing.

[LoneStarGirl]

Tonight was the first new show i missed then. Sweet. But that website didn't help me much. Hopefully i can catch up just by watching next week's show

[cthomer5000]

Tonight was the first new show i missed then. Sweet. But that website didn't help me much. Hopefully i can catch up just by watching next week's show
My recap of this week's episode:

*******SPOLIERS!!!!!!***********



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The girl (the convict one who's name is escaping me) and the Sawyer (asshole southerner) find some bodies in a waterfall/pool area. She finds a metal suitcase in the water, and they retrieve. Sawyer takes the suitcase (being his usual ass self). She tries stealing it back multiple times unsuccessfully, and is obviously after whatever is in the suitcase.

She eventually enlists Jack's help telling him that their are 4 guns and ammo inside the case, and she's worried he'll eventually get it open (he's been trying throughout the episode). Jack knows there is more in the case than guns, and promises to help her on the condition that they open the case together, because he's tired of her lying.

They have to dig up the body of the marshall to retreive the key (he wasn't burned like the others, but buried by Jack after they were "forced" to kill him earlier in the series). The girl tries to steal the key without Jack noticing, and pretends as if it wasn't on the body. Jack knows she is full of shit, and takes the key.

He gets the case from Sawyer by threatening to stop giving him the medicene to avoid an arm infection (where Sayed stabbed him a few episodes back).

The girls backstory reveals that she was involved in an intricate bank robbery plot and shot (and maybe killed) 2-3 of her co-criminals when one of them went against thier initial plans (not to hurt any employees).

While sort of breaking up the robbery, she forces the manager to open a safe deposit box. She opens the box and their is an envelope inside.

Cut back to the island.

They open the suitcase and there are indeed 4 guns inside, and an envelope labeled 'Personal Effects.' Jack hand over the envelope and she opens it, pulling out a very small toy plane (like die-cast metal or something).

When Jack asks her what it's about she says "It belonged to the man I loved."

When he says shes still lying and keeps asking her she says "It belonged to the man I killed."

She starts cyring, he walks off with the case (and guns), end of episode.

The only minor subplots are Charlie being really depressed about the disappearance of Claire (pregnant girl), and the useless blonde bimbo helping Sayed translate some French on the papers he stole from Russo (the stranded French women who's distress signal is being transmitted). The translation turned out to be basically nonsense, as they were just lyrics to a song.


This was probably one of the most focused episodes, as the subplots were very, very minor. It was all about the girl and her story.

[sovereignstar]

What the hell does her brother know anyways? The bimbo would provide me with a ton of entertainment.
;)

[cthomer5000]

What the hell does her brother know anyways? The bimbo would provide me with a ton of entertainment.
;)
She is worthless though, and a total bitch.

She;d better start working or start getting slutty.

[sovereignstar]

She is worthless though, and a total bitch.

She;d better start working or start getting slutty.
Bah, everyone is so fucking uptight there. Haven't you see The Beach? It's all fun and games there - it's "paradise". *cue the techno music*

Wait, I forgot about those two Swedes and the part where those four kids get gunned down by the "farmers" and well.. a whole hell of a lot more.
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[mckerney]

Tonight was the first new show i missed then. Sweet. But that website didn't help me much. Hopefully i can catch up just by watching next week's show

Yeah, their summary of the last episode of The OC sucked as well.

[Raiders Army]

I still don't know what the hell was up with that plane. My wife thought it was her son's toy plane....not her "boyfriend's" plane.

[Ksyrup]

My wife watches this religiously, and I've only caught bits and pieces as I surf the net, but I have one question - did Matthew McConnaughey trademark himself, and if so, can he sue the guy who plays Sawyer?

[Noop]

It is a reality show... they will find out in season two.

[vex]

I thought someone had lost their TV...

[Raiders Army]

My wife watches this religiously, and I've only caught bits and pieces as I surf the net, but I have one question - did Matthew McConnaughey trademark himself, and if so, can he sue the guy who plays Sawyer?
I think he looks more like Don Johnson than Matthew McConnaughey.

[Ksyrup]

I think it's the combination of his looks plus his southern stylings.

Although, from the red x pics above, all three look pretty much identical. :)

[jbmagic]

why did they stop looking for the pregnant woman?

[moriarty]

I'm leaning toward Don Johson on this one.

Kinda lame that they didn't even discuss the possibility of looking for the pregnant woman. I mean how big of an island can it be?? Maybe if the doc wasn't so preoccupied with getting into the woman's briefs ... er briefcase.

[FrogMan]

am I the only one who thought "how can this guy lose his TV???"?

FM

[Samdari]

I'm leaning toward Don Johson on this one.

Kinda lame that they didn't even discuss the possibility of looking for the pregnant woman. I mean how big of an island can it be?? Maybe if the doc wasn't so preoccupied with getting into the woman's briefs ... er briefcase.

Would you concentrate on bedding a hottie who was WAY into you, or search through a hot jungle for some woman who has little interest in you, and would require way too much effort to have sex with anyway?

[panerd]

Would you concentrate on bedding a hottie who was WAY into you, or search through a hot jungle for some woman who has little interest in you, and would require way too much effort to have sex with anyway?

I would be after the blonde swimsuit girl who speaks French first.

[cthomer5000]

I'm leaning toward Don Johson on this one.

Kinda lame that they didn't even discuss the possibility of looking for the pregnant woman. I mean how big of an island can it be?? Maybe if the doc wasn't so preoccupied with getting into the woman's briefs ... er briefcase.
DId you miss the part where the bimbo mentioned that the brother and Locke have been out searching for her all-day everyday?

[rkmsuf]

hope they don't kill off the cheesecake next week. looked like the bimbo gets picked up by the thing

she's purdy

[cthomer5000]

I hope she does die as she's an incredibly annoying character. The thought of sitting through an episode of her backstory is painful to me.

[rkmsuf]

I hope she does die as she's an incredibly annoying character. The thought of sitting through an episode of her backstory is painful to me.

I find Kate the most annoying of the whole group. I really can't stand her and could give a crap about her backstory.

The bimbo is annoying as well but maybe not as much since there has been less of her.

She is purdy though.

[moriarty]

DId you miss the part where the bimbo mentioned that the brother and Locke have been out searching for her all-day everyday?

Nah, saw that. But why wouldn't the Doc be spending his time organizing a search party or something. The last episode he was fenatic about following them even when they threatened to kill someone. And he's always been the 'leader' of any effort.

This episode he was more interested in the briefcase. Didn't really seem to fit his character that he would just leave it up to Locke and that other dork.

[moriarty]

Would you concentrate on bedding a hottie who was WAY into you, or search through a hot jungle for some woman who has little interest in you, and would require way too much effort to have sex with anyway?

Dola,

Good point!

[CentralMassHokie]

Supposedly the backstory of the brother and sister is coming up in a couple of weeks and is supposed to be incredibly surprising.

For those of you who missed the show, and have a broadband connection, just hit up one of the torrent sites -- Lost was up within an hour or so of airing.

I've started using my torrent client and an RSS plugin as sort of a mini-DVR. There are a few shows that air at the same time as other shows I TiVo (West Wing gets bumped by Alias, Veronica Mars by Scrubs), so I just grab the torrents. Works pretty well.

[rkmsuf]

Nah, saw that. But why wouldn't the Doc be spending his time organizing a search party or something. The last episode he was fenatic about following them even when they threatened to kill someone. And he's always been the 'leader' of any effort.

This episode he was more interested in the briefcase. Didn't really seem to fit his character that he would just leave it up to Locke and that other dork.

My theory is that Locke does not want to leave the island at all. He might just lead the search in circles. He can walk now and is living his dream and has nothing to go back to. I can see him wanting things to remain as they are. I can see him sabotaging any rescue or discovery efforts.

[cthomer5000]

My theory is that Locke does not want to leave the island at all. He might just lead the search in circles. He can walk now and is living his dream and has nothing to go back to. I can see him wanting things to remain as they are. I can see him sabotaging any rescue or discovery efforts.
Quite possible. He's certainly gained the most on the island.


***potential spoilers***

Also, the preview for next week looks like it has him actively trying to stop the 'brother' from telling the rest of the group about that discovery they made (seemingly some sort of hatch that leads somewhere).

[Samdari]

Supposedly the backstory of the brother and sister is coming up in a couple of weeks

Its in the plot summary for next week.

[cthomer5000]

great. I'm sure we'll get some shocking explanation for why the girl is such a selfish brat.

[CentralMassHokie]

great. I'm sure we'll get some shocking explanation for why the girl is such a selfish brat.

She used to be a man.

[jamesUMD]

Paris Hilton!!!!

[sovereignstar]

so who's watching the o.c. tonight?

[Anthony]

Bah, everyone is so fucking uptight there. Haven't you see The Beach? It's all fun and games there - it's "paradise". *cue the techno music*

Wait, I forgot about those two Swedes and the part where those four kids get gunned down by the "farmers" and well.. a whole hell of a lot more.
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not to mention that civilization was only a short ride away.

[Kodos]

I haven't read the rest of the thread, but you might want to check behind the couch if your TV is still lost. Or perhaps it was stolen?

[jbmagic]

anybody watch tonight episode..



oh what a shocker at the end? Damn Josh for what he did...he cause it

and i cant beleive the sister and brother on the flashback was kissing and doing it ..

were they really brother and sister?

and why did Josh the bald head man tie both of them up ?

and why there not doing a search for the pregant woman?

[mckerney]

were they really brother and sister?

This was explained when he was talking to the police officer about his sister, they're step brother and sister, their parents married when he was 10 and she was 8.

[Pyser]

my tivo cut off the end, just when he was talking to locke. i know locke said he drugged him...did i miss anything else?

[jbmagic]

locke ask him how he felt when he tought his half sister was dead, and the brother said he felt relief

[rkmsuf]

but she's not really dead. cheesecake lives on.

what a little bitch she is on this show.

[moriarty]

That's twice I was hoping someone was really dead and they've 'come back'.

Grrr....

[jbmagic]

i just cant believe they stop looking for the pregant woman

and they have not mention or are worry about that man that took her..

[Pyser]

i suppose they covered that by almost killing charlie...threatening to kill anyone who tries and finds her.

but yes, it is weak that they just gave up on her like that.

[rkmsuf]

i just cant believe they stop looking for the pregant woman


It's perfect. Now they don't have to deal with birthing scenes and when they find her...viola, instant kid.

[QuikSand]

The show clearly has bitten off more than it can comfortably chew here. In the interests of having "enough going on" we now have plot lines that come to a screeching halt (i.e. Claire's disappearance) when they feel they need to move on to something else.

I think it requires a pretty substantial "suspension of disbelief" to stay on board, but most of us seem to be willing to do so. With a show like this, I think you do yourself a disservice to try to connect the "logic" of everything that happens. Sure, we want to care about how things work out, but if the script takes us in unusual directions -- so be it.

Don't worry if every backstory has a crazy twist (which it will). Don't worry if the biggest deal in episode X is basically forgotten by episode X+1 (which it will). Just sit back and enjoy the show. It's television, that's their only goal here.

[moriarty]

I hear what you're saying, but I've got a bad feeling this is another Twin Peaks. Starts off with alot of mystery and intrigue, leaves you hoping each week that a little more will be revealed.

And then 3 years later, what they have 'revealed' is less than satisfying, the writing becomes stale, and they just cancel the whole big mess and hope you go watch a crappy movie at the theatres to tie things up.

But still ... I'm watching.

[Raiders Army]

The show clearly has bitten off more than it can comfortably chew here. In the interests of having "enough going on" we now have plot lines that come to a screeching halt (i.e. Claire's disappearance) when they feel they need to move on to something else.

Totally agree. They only briefly mention the hobbit's drug addiction this week, although that was a pretty big plotline for his back story. The Matrix dude and his kid and dog has not progressed whatsoever (although it looks like it might next week). I also don't like how Jack and Kate are just talking like it's another episode...no ramifications from last week at all.

I think it requires a pretty substantial "suspension of disbelief" to stay on board, but most of us seem to be willing to do so. With a show like this, I think you do yourself a disservice to try to connect the "logic" of everything that happens. Sure, we want to care about how things work out, but if the script takes us in unusual directions -- so be it.The "suspension of disbelief" is an understatement. While I like to have unexplained things going on and possible dangling plotlines, I also like things to make sense...or at least make sense or begin to make sense within a couple of episodes. This show is beginning to lose me.

[Anthony]

i've since substituted Lost for The O.C. as my show of choice to watch with the wife. one thing that dawned on me is that for the most part these actors aren't gonna be able to change their hairstyles all the much. their hair can only get longer from this point out. my wife pointed out they found razors for off the wreckage, which is cool, but eventually razors go dull. these people are gonna have to walk around like wooly mammoths if this show gets to its 3rd year. anyway...

i'm not very thrilled at what the show is evolving into. i thought it would have worked as a modern "Gilligan's Island". the sci-fi element was a nice curve ball, but it seems as if there's a monster on the island. ho-hum. the show has devolved from being about "how are all these people going to survive the island...and each other" to "what the hell is up with the island". i watch now only to find out what the story is with the hatch and the "monster". i think this show will be more about finding out the answers to all the mysteries than wanting it to be one of those shows you just don't want to end, like Sopranos and Friends (not that i watched Friends, i do watch Soprano's).

[thealmighty]

Why is there a problem finding food/meat (as the fat guy griped to the brother because Locke and he kept returning from 'hunting' empty handed)? If you have a humongous, man-eating monster on the island who has only eaten one or two of you, what does it eat to survive if you cannot find lots of animals to kill? Not to maention giant polar bears need meat to eat, also.

The longer this show goes, the higher the suspension-of-reality points count will become between what we see and things that would need to be happening- like the haircut thing, etc...

[Raiders Army]

The holes in the plot get bigger with each episode. They're going to have to do something radical to patch them up (like Bobby's in the shower and it was all just a dream).

[Anthony]

the biggest plot hole they left wide open was the pregnant chick's backstory, where they basically insinuated that the psychic manipulated her into going onto the plane - perhaps to prevent her baby from falling into the wrong hands... dun dun DUNNNNN.

i've only recently started watching on a consistent basis but that backstory is perhaps the most integral...what did the psychic know about that island? and if he knows about that island why isn't he helping the people get rescued. everyone else' backstory doesn't seem to be as important. hers seems to really involve the island. everyone else' backstory is just about how they happend to be unlucky enough to be on the plane. but she was put there on purpose and she's carrying a rather special baby.

[Suicane75]

I havnt seen an episode in months, I need to catch up on them over the winter.

[Noop]

Question does anyone have any theories of what is going on? I really would like to hear Quiksand's personally...

[Anthony]

there isn't possibly anyway to have any theory. the overall plot is not very strong. too many characters means the writers are free to jump from storyline to storyline without really giving you anything. any theory is a mere guess.

my guess is they basically crash landed on an island where scientific testing were being done.

[Noop]

there isn't possibly anyway to have any theory. the overall plot is not very strong. too many characters means the writers are free to jump from storyline to storyline without really giving you anything. any theory is a mere guess.

my guess is they basically crash landed on an island where scientific testing were being done.
In Entertainment weekly they have some of the internet theories listed. Which one do you believe if any:
1. The survivors actually died in the plane crash and the island is purgatory.
2. There is only one survivor - perhaps Jack- and the island is a dream; other survivors represent aspects of his personality.
3. The island is a giant lab for a mad scientist.
4. A catastrophe had thrown the world upside down and killed the entire population; save for these survivors.
5. Aliens crashed the plane, place the survivors in a zoolike habitat and are just screwing with them.


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I got this from another board I have never watched the show. But this has me interested what time and day does it appear?

[sachmo71]

In Entertainment weekly they have some of the internet theories listed. Which one do you believe if any:
1. The survivors actually died in the plane crash and the island is purgatory.
2. There is only one survivor - perhaps Jack- and the island is a dream; other survivors represent aspects of his personality.
3. The island is a giant lab for a mad scientist.
4. A catastrophe had thrown the world upside down and killed the entire population; save for these survivors.
5. Aliens crashed the plane, place the survivors in a zoolike habitat and are just screwing with them.


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I got this from another board I have never watched the show. But this has me interested what time and day does it appear?


None.

[Anthony]

In Entertainment weekly they have some of the internet theories listed. Which one do you believe if any:
1. The survivors actually died in the plane crash and the island is purgatory.
2. There is only one survivor - perhaps Jack- and the island is a dream; other survivors represent aspects of his personality.
3. The island is a giant lab for a mad scientist.
4. A catastrophe had thrown the world upside down and killed the entire population; save for these survivors.
5. Aliens crashed the plane, place the survivors in a zoolike habitat and are just screwing with them.


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I got this from another board I have never watched the show. But this has me interested what time and day does it appear?


1. certainly possible, although there wouldn't be a need for food if they were dead. even if you tell me they don't know they're dead - if they didn't get the proper nutrition they wouldn't get sick (like that fat guy) and they wouldn't suffer heroin withdrawal symptons.

2. would be cool, i liked it better when that idea was done before...in a movie called "Identity".

3. i agree with this one the best. there's obviosuly some mind altering aspects to the island going on (maybe as a result of whatever is under the hatch). we also know there's a polar bear on the island (polar bears shouldn't be able to exist in that climate - they would die from the heat compounded by the amount of fat they have). perhaps the "monster" is a form of mutated polar bear. can't say the growls are that different. some type of testing was going on that island.

#4 and 5 subcribe to the theory that when in doubt, the least likely is usually the answer. these are just too zany.

[Noop]

So when does the show come on?

[Anthony]

wednesday nites. i don't know the time, the wife and i tape most of our shows on our DVR so we don't have to bother with commercials.

[jbmagic]

So when does the show come on?


Wednesday night Channel ABC

[Pyser]

well, now i dont need to see identity. :mad:

[sovereignstar]

hxxp://www.livelinks.com/evangeline.jsp#

[Anthony]

i don't see how that's lame. not any more lame than a university using alumni who are now famous as a recruiting tool.

[QuikSand]

Question does anyone have any theories of what is going on? I really would like to hear Quiksand's personally...

Gah.

I don't have a particular theory right now -- I suspect that we are just now reaching the frontier of where the original concept ended. I susect the original plan was basically that we'd have these crash survivors on the island, then mix in the variety of Twilight Zone stuff that we've seen (the various beasts, the woman from years before, the "Ethan" guy who was already there, etc) and the variety of back stories (generally with an unexpected twist) and you have the entire package deal that became the Lost pitch.

For the most part, where they go from here is up for grabs. I'm pretty sure there approach will be, at least for the rest of season one, to keep all the various pots boiling ... we'll get varying doses of each subplot -- the buried chamber, Ethan (and company), the split between "rescue" and "survive" approaches, the good/evil conflicts within the survivors, the various oddities about the island itself, etc. If this all leads us "somewhere," I rather doubt that the "somewhere" has been in mind from the very start. I don't think the various guesses posted above -- essentially each boiling down to "this will turn out to be the same as in some other show/movie/book" -- will hold water.

moriarty's analogy to the Twin Peaks life cycle seems pretty apt to me. This may well just meander on, lose its edge gradually, and flame out in time.

[Suicane75]

Somebody will die by the end of the first season.

[gottimd]

Who is the Ethan guy? Which episode was he in, dammit I missed an episode!

[Suicane75]

Who is the Ethan guy? Which episode was he in, dammit I missed an episode!

Hurley took the flight manifest and got everyones name so they would know who was who, Ethan Rohm was the dude whos name wasn't on the flight manifest.
He kidnapped Charlie and the pregnant girl.

[gottimd]

Hurley took the flight manifest and got everyones name so they would know who was who, Ethan Rohm was the dude whos name wasn't on the flight manifest.
He kidnapped Charlie and the pregnant girl.

Thanks! Ethan Rohm wouldn't happen to have any relationship to Elizabeth Rohm from Law and Order, and maybe he kidnapped Claire because Elizabeth is a lesbian?

[Suicane75]

Thanks! Ethan Rohm wouldn't happen to have any relationship to Elizabeth Rohm from Law and Order, and maybe he kidnapped Claire because Elizabeth is a lesbian?

LOL.

[Suicane75]

Quick, I gotta disagree with ya here, I would bet that they have alot more of the orginal idea left to go, i'm not sure we've even scraped the surface of what the original plan was.

[gottimd]

Is tonight the episode when Claire gets kidnapped and they find out about Ethan?

[Raven]

Another fucking repeat. THis is killing me.

[Glengoyne]

Quick, I gotta disagree with ya here, I would bet that they have alot more of the orginal idea left to go, i'm not sure we've even scraped the surface of what the original plan was.
I've said it before...but yeah what Suicane said.

[stevew]

Gah.

I don't have a particular theory right now -- I suspect that we are just now reaching the frontier of where the original concept ended. I susect the original plan was basically that we'd have these crash survivors on the island, then mix in the variety of Twilight Zone stuff that we've seen (the various beasts, the woman from years before, the "Ethan" guy who was already there, etc) and the variety of back stories (generally with an unexpected twist) and you have the entire package deal that became the Lost pitch.

For the most part, where they go from here is up for grabs. I'm pretty sure there approach will be, at least for the rest of season one, to keep all the various pots boiling ... we'll get varying doses of each subplot -- the buried chamber, Ethan (and company), the split between "rescue" and "survive" approaches, the good/evil conflicts within the survivors, the various oddities about the island itself, etc. If this all leads us "somewhere," I rather doubt that the "somewhere" has been in mind from the very start. I don't think the various guesses posted above -- essentially each boiling down to "this will turn out to be the same as in some other show/movie/book" -- will hold water.

moriarty's analogy to the Twin Peaks life cycle seems pretty apt to me. This may well just meander on, lose its edge gradually, and flame out in time.

I agree. This will be very hard to keep interesting for a long extended period of time. But i think i would give the writers a bit more credit, they probably do have somewhere they intend to take it, but we may not know that for 2-3 seasons.

[Pyser]

i worked on a sitcom for a while. and while, yes, a sitcom is very different than lost, they didnt write that far ahead AT ALL. i think Lost is pretty much running blind now, and has used up most of the plots already pitched.

the key is to get it on the air, not think of a cool plausible ending.

[judicial clerk]

all reruns and no new shows makes judicial clerk something something.

The preview for the new episode did look exciting, though.

Apparently the pregnant girl escaped from the "others" because in the preview someone referenced that they were using her as bait. If the "others" let her go, she wouldn't be bait worthy.

Any guesses on who was in the bodybag? I am guessing Ethan. I think that he took the bait, and then a bunch of the survivors jumped him and somebody like Sawyer or the brother got overzealous and killed him.

Overall, I think the show has a lot of gas left because it is unfolding soooooo slowly.

[rkmsuf]

I'm sure they didn't want to take on Idol while it was airing at 8:00 on Wednesdays thus the reruns. The schedule going forward is perfect on Wed. Lost at 8, Idol at 9.

[gottimd]

Was the Fortune Teller already discussed? I had never seen last nights episode and was wondering what everyones thoughts were on him. Did he send her on the flight because he thought she would die? My fiance and I were trying to figure it out. She thinks he sent her on the plane knowing that it will crash and she would have to raise the baby herself. But if he could see that, why couldn't he see an extra few days into the future and see that the baby is kidnapped by the "bad" people? What could they possibly raise this kid as, some evil warlord or something?

[BreizhManu]

Is tonight the episode when Claire gets kidnapped and they find out about Ethan?
hxxp://www.epguides.com/Lost/

next week

[sovereignstar]

I'm also betting that Ethan is the one who ends up in a bodybag.

[gottimd]

Either him or Sawyer. It showed Sawyer fighting in the rain too. I'll have to watch my Tivo to see who is carrying that bag.

[BreizhManu]

Either him or Sawyer. It showed Sawyer fighting in the rain too. I'll have to watch my Tivo to see who is carrying that bag.
Sawyer will be the main character in episode 16 so it can't be him.

[QuikSand]

I, too, am having persistent TiVo issues with this show. My recording regularly ends with about 30 seconds left in the show, as my TiVo switches over to another recording. Grrr...

At the end of the last real episode, we see Claire some out of the woods, no longer pregnant, correct? Anything else I missed there? (I have no idea what "bodybag" you are talking about - was this in the end of the last episode, or in a preview of the next one?)

[sovereignstar]

Sawyer will be the main character in episode 16 so it can't be him.

Spoiler-er.
:)

[gottimd]

I, too, am having persistent TiVo issues with this show. My recording regularly ends with about 30 seconds left in the show, as my TiVo switches over to another recording. Grrr...

At the end of the last real episode, we see Claire some out of the woods, no longer pregnant, correct? Anything else I missed there? (I have no idea what "bodybag" you are talking about - was this in the end of the last episode, or in a preview of the next one?)

Change the recording options on the season pass to be 1 minute longer.

I think that was about it besides people fighting in the rain.

oh yeah, the get rescued, and the show ends. :D

[rkmsuf]

I could have sworn I saw Curley Neal in the previews for the next episode.

[QuikSand]

Change the recording options on the season pass to be 1 minute longer.

I can't, because I am taping West Wing (regrettably), which begins right after Lost.

[QuikSand]

I could have sworn I saw Curley Neal in the previews for the next episode.

Good stuff. It's just a matter of time. Mama Cass, too.

[jbmagic]

I can't, because I am taping West Wing (regrettably), which begins right after Lost.


you dont have dual turner on your tivo?

my directtivo does, so i can record two different channels at same time and watch something on my play list.

[Glengoyne]

Was the Fortune Teller already discussed? I had never seen last nights episode and was wondering what everyones thoughts were on him. Did he send her on the flight because he thought she would die? My fiance and I were trying to figure it out. She thinks he sent her on the plane knowing that it will crash and she would have to raise the baby herself. But if he could see that, why couldn't he see an extra few days into the future and see that the baby is kidnapped by the "bad" people? What could they possibly raise this kid as, some evil warlord or something?
My thought was that he "knew" that some evil would come of the child. He also "knew" the plane was going to crash. He wanted her and the child out of the way, so THAT flight was the way to do it. He had no clue that they would survive the crash, and that the child would be raised by the "evil" presence on the Island. Just one of the shortcomings stemming from the fact that Fortune Telling is an inexact science.http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[gottimd]

I can't, because I am taping West Wing (regrettably), which begins right after Lost.

I guess it comes down to, would you rather see the upcoming episode of Lost, or the opening credits of West Wing???? You could always set West wing to start a minute later.

[BreizhManu]

My thought was that he "knew" that some evil would come of the child. He also "knew" the plane was going to crash. He wanted her and the child out of the way, so THAT flight was the way to do it. He had no clue that they would survive the crash, and that the child would be raised by the "evil" presence on the Island. Just one of the shortcomings stemming from the fact that Fortune Telling is an inexact science.http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
My thought is that the writers were high on crack, and now they don't have a clue of what they wanted to say http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

Else, he wanted the child to be raised by his mother so he must have know they would have survive the crash

[rafini]

I, too, am having persistent TiVo issues with this show. My recording regularly ends with about 30 seconds left in the show, as my TiVo switches over to another recording. Grrr...

I watch Lost and record Alias (catching up on past seasons) and have noticed that ABC always seems to be a few minutes off with these shows. Lost always seems to run until 9:01 or so and Alias starts around 9:02-
9:03. Toward the end of Lost you'll see the little TV rating thing pop up on the screen, and that's supposed to come up at the start of the new hour.

[Raven]

I have DirecTV and when I watch Lost, it shows the show airs from 8-9:03. Not until 9:00

[Anthony]

i worked on a sitcom for a while. and while, yes, a sitcom is very different than lost, they didnt write that far ahead AT ALL. i think Lost is pretty much running blind now, and has used up most of the plots already pitched.

the key is to get it on the air, not think of a cool plausible ending.

the point we're trying to make is that they don't necessarily have to have the last episode of the series already written.

it's that they already know what's the mystery behind the island. not like they pitched an updated "Gilligan's Island" type show (without the Gilligan) about people alone on an island and will suddenly do an about face and make it a show about monsters or that they're already dead. they know all the ins and outs of the island and what the mysteries are. that's already been pitched.

[QuikSand]

I guess it comes down to, would you rather see the upcoming episode of Lost, or the opening credits of West Wing???? You could always set West wing to start a minute later.

You speak of this as though I have some say in the matter. Still single, eh?

[rkmsuf]

You speak of this as though I have some say in the matter. Still single, eh?


heh, now that's funny.

[gottimd]

You speak of this as though I have some say in the matter. Still single, eh?

Nope, about to get married. She is as big of fan of Lost as I am, so there are no problems when it comes to that. I understand your situation though because God forbid Oprah didn't TiVo, apparently the apocalypse would immediately follow.

[QuikSand]

Still single, eh?

Nope, about to get married.

Do you walk to school, or carry a lunch?

[gottimd]

***Spoilers in invisotext..highlight to read*****

Those ABC promos are going on and on about somebody getting all killed on “Lost” tonight, but here’s the real scoop:
TWO die tonight! “And one of the deaths,” we are told by a highly reliable source, “is pretty frigging wicked.”
But none of the regulars die tonight.
We hear that one of the deaths belongs to Steve (of “Steve & Scott” fame). The other death is unspecified, but were I a betting man I’d bet on Claire’s kidnapper, Ethan Rom.
Because Ethan Rom, the other man, knows too much. And because he knows too much, the creators want him dead.
How the rest of the season shakes out:
Episode 15: Homecoming
Feb. 9 (Tonight)
Written by: Damon Lindelof (“Pilot,” “Tabula Rasa,” “Confidence Man,” “Whatever the Case May Be”)
Centered around: Charlie
We learn why Ethan wanted Claire’s baby.
Episode 16: Outlaws
Feb. 16
Written by: Drew Goddard (“Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” “Angel,” “Alias”)
Centered around: Sawyer
We learn of Sawyer’s connection with Jack’s dad.
Episode 17: … In Translation
Feb. 23
Written by Javier Grillo-Marxuach (“House of the Rising Sun,” “Hearts and Minds”) and Leonard Dick ("Fastlane," "Hack," "Tarzan," "Clubhouse").
Centered around: Jin
Sun comes out of the closet.
Episode 18: Numbers
March 2
Written by: David Fury (“Walkabout,” “Solitary,” “Special”) & Brent Fletcher (“Angel”).
Centered around: Hurley
We learn Hurley hit the lottery.
Episode 19: Deus Ex Machina
April 13
Written by: Damon Lindelof (“Homecoming”) and Carlton Cuse (“Hearts and Minds”)
Centered around: Locke
Episode 20: Do No Harm
April 20
Written by: Janet Tamaro (“Line of Fire,” “CSI: New York”)
Centered around: Jack
Episode 21: Sides
April 27
Written by: Leonard Dick (“Numbers”)
Centered around: Sayid
Episode 22
Centered around: Kate
But 22 doesn’t represent season’s end. We confirmed today there are 24 episodes to this supersized first season.

[Raiders Army]

Very nice. Source?

[gottimd]

Thanks, every once in awhile I like to contribute something useful. Its from AICN.

[Suicane75]

Loved the entire episode last night right up until the ending. I didn't believe in his reason for doing what he did, there was so much more to find out. I do like how certain things are now in play though.

[rkmsuf]

That was great. Maybe it's me, but they have a way with moments.

The shooting was brilliantly done.

[gottimd]

Good episode, although it did seem like it took them awhile to get to Jack and Ethan fighting, as if they had run 80 miles away from everyone.

Other things I noticed was that, why didn't anyone else pick up the gun that Jack lost right away? Rather than let is sit there for awhile so someone, mainly ethan, would have a chance at getting it?

Isn't the Chinese guy that got hit by the sling some sort of killer for his wifes father? How could he not tell that something was being whirled around rapidly. When the fiance and I watched it, once I heard that noise, I thought to myself, duck, obviously something is about to come right at you that is in the process of being whirled up to be tossed at you.

Didn't the French lady say they were apart of some sort of scientific expedition that crashed there? Is it possible that whomever Ethan is in "Cahoots" with, did some scientific testing on the baby while Claire was in captivity with them, such as injected it with something?

Who the hell is Steve/Scott? I don't even remember him.

Wouldn't you want the guy from "Oz" as a sentry, instead of Boone, who seems to get his ass handed to him almost every episode?

[rkmsuf]

Good episode, although it did seem like it took them awhile to get to Jack and Ethan fighting, as if they had run 80 miles away from everyone.

Other things I noticed was that, why didn't anyone else pick up the gun that Jack lost right away? Rather than let is sit there for awhile so someone, mainly ethan, would have a chance at getting it?

Isn't the Chinese guy that got hit by the sling some sort of killer for his wifes father? How could he not tell that something was being whirled around rapidly. When the fiance and I watched it, once I heard that noise, I thought to myself, duck, obviously something is about to come right at you that is in the process of being whirled up to be tossed at you.

Didn't the French lady say they were apart of some sort of scientific expedition that crashed there? Is it possible that whomever Ethan is in "Cahoots" with, did some scientific testing on the baby while Claire was in captivity with them, such as injected it with something?

Who the hell is Steve/Scott? I don't even remember him.

Wouldn't you want the guy from "Oz" as a sentry, instead of Boone, who seems to get his ass handed to him almost every episode?


What are you, jbmagic jr.?

[gottimd]

What are you, jbmagic jr.?

Am I? Are you? Or am I jbmagic, sr?

[rkmsuf]

I thought the previews for next week looked weak.

I really have no interest in the Kate/Sawyer monkey love storyline.

[moriarty]

Decent episode last night, but once again ... nothing revealed. I'm losing faith.

So it looked like Ethan had some serious scratches on his face. Looked like some female nails went to town. Was this caused by the pregnant woman ... or perhaps by the French woman who saved the pregnant girl so that she wouldn't be taken by 'the others'.

[judicial clerk]

I fell asleep and missed most of the episode. Can someon please give me a recap? and was gottimd correct?

[gottimd]

Was I correct on what?

[judicial clerk]

Was your spoiler accurate? and how about a recap for the ol' clerkster

[gottimd]

Yes it was accurate, and for a recap go here (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html) .

[mgadfly]

The main story line was this: (if I have time I'll fill in more later)

On the Island Story-line:
Claire returned last episode. The doctor checked her and the baby out. They were fine, but she could not remember anything except getting on the plane and heading to Los Angeles.

Ethan showed up and knocked out the Asian man with a sling shot that hit him in the chest (pretty weak in my opinion). The only other person around was the Charlie. Ethan kicked him around a little and told him to bring Claire to him by sunset or he'd kill someone from the camp. He threatened to kill them one-by-one saving Charlie for last unless he did what he said (if he can get into camp to kill people, why can't he sneak in and get Claire without Charlie's help?). Charlie told the Doc who informed Locke. They decided to tell everyone (except Claire) what was going on. They kept the camps split (in the caves and on the beach) but set up guards. Locke's little shadow (the wimpy dude who has the sister) heard one of their trip-wire alarms go off and ran into the jungle like an idiot (this was morning now). He trips and falls and right when the other guys from the camp get to him they hear a scream from the beach camp.

They return to the beach to find Steve/Scott dead. They theorize that the killer swam in from the water.

The doc meets with Locke who refuses to go into the woods to try and catch Ethan. He says that Ethan is too good and they are on his home turf (you've been on the beach a month, how much longer until it-the local area-is your "home"?). The doc shows him the guns and Locke agrees.

In the meantime, Charlie has lied to Claire (which goes to his flash-back which I haven't gotten to) to keep the fact that Ethan is after her and the death on the beach is related to her return. She figures it out and is pissed with Charlie (who remember, she can't remember at all). She agrees to be the bait in the trap for Ethan.

The doc had four guns. They give one to: The doc, Said, Locke, and Sawyer. Kate wants to go too. Sawyer reveals that he also has a gun that he took off the Marshal and Kate is allowed to come.

They set a trap for Ethan with Claire as the bait and each of the above five within visual range of each other hiding in the jungle. It is getting dark and raining hard. Ethan, comes out of the jungle and heads right for Claire, who freaks and runs for it. Jack is there first but drops his gun. This time Ethan isn't so lucky (maybe the time on the Island has toughened Jack up?) and Jack gets the best of him. He beats him up pretty good and finally the others arrive on the scene. Ethan starts to get up but Sawyer points the gun at him and tells him not to even think about it. That's when Charlie shows up with Jacks discarded gun and blows Ethan away.

Charlie later explains it that he wasn't going to let him get near Claire again.

The Flashback:
We find out that Charlie was a junky (we knew this) and seduced a "chunky" rich girl (who he ends up liking) in order to get into her house to steal stuff. He has second thoughts, but in a moment of weakness (associated with his withdrawal symptoms because he doesn't have money for H) takes an antique from his new girls house.

He gets sick at work (a job where his girl got him a job), and passes out. The medics find the stolen property in his pocket and returns it.

There is a final scene where he apologizes to the girl and tries to explain himself, but she has none of that. She makes a comment (in response to one of his) that he will never be able to take care of anyone (he had told her that he took the job because he wanted to be able to take care of/provide for her). She slams the door in his face.

[judicial clerk]

Thanks for the recap and nice work on the spoilers. I am now wondering, though, who is Steve/Scott? I have seen all the episodes but I do not remember him/them.

[gottimd]

I am wondering who he is too. I think he had about 3 seconds of air time in the episode that Hurley takes roll call and matches it against the passenger list.

I'm sure gonna miss Steve/Scott. He was the best.

[rkmsuf]

He's nobody. He was like the guy in Star Trek who joins the away team that isn't a star of the show.

Without offing a key cast member they needed to legitimatize the threat and give imputus to going after Ethan.

[mgadfly]

I think if I remember correctly Steve/Scott was a little pissy about being called by the wrong name when Hurley was talking to him to get his information during the census.

[judicial clerk]

Steve/scott, we hardy new you.

[jbmagic]

was Steve/scott on the plane tha crash with the other passengers? or was already on the Island like Ethan?

did he ever had a speaking part?

[judicial clerk]

was Steve/scott on the plane tha crash with the other passengers? or was already on the Island like Ethan?

If he wasn't on the plane crash and he was on the island with Ethan, then Ethan was a total dumbass.

[mgadfly]

was Steve/scott on the plane tha crash with the other passengers? or was already on the Island like Ethan?

did he ever had a speaking part?

He probably was on the plane (since the manifest only had one less person than survivors, which accounted for Ethan).

I believe he had a speaking part, though I'm going off memory from whenever that episode aired. I believe what happened was the big guy called him the wrong name and he corrected him. The big guy tried to make an excuse and steve/scott made another one line reply. But it has been a long time and my memory plays tricks on me these days.

[moriarty]

If he wasn't on the plane crash and he was on the island with Ethan, then Ethan was a total dumbass.

:D

[sovereignstar]

...if this helps any. Here's the actor that plays Steve.

http://imdb.com/gallery/hh/1712435/christianbowman1.jpg

Edit: Linking to imdb pictures doesn't work very well.

[Suicane75]

...if this helps any. Here's the actor that plays Steve.

http://imdb.com/gallery/hh/1712435/christianbowman1.jpg


Dude, thats Scott.

[sovereignstar]

Dude, thats Scott.

http://imdb.com/name/nm1712435/

[Abe Sargent]

The problem with Lost, IMO, is that they are using too many wiriters for the scripts. They are going to have to pull a J. M. Straczynski and write Seasons 2-5 and a half on their own, with just one or two writiers. (Maybe three if necessary.)

-Anxiety

[Yellow5]

The show follows the plot of Watership Down pretty close. Heck they even show the book in one of the episodes. (Sawyer was reading the book on the beach)

Not sure how long they will be able to keep this up if that was the intent. One thing I don't like about the show is that it can turn into a soap opera at times and it pisses me off. I wanna see more people chased and eaten by monsters. :)

[Pyser]

the watership down angle is interesting....can someone who is familiar with it please fill us in?

[jbmagic]

according to some of the actors and actress on Lost, they know one main character will die on this season final. But no one knows who it will be yet.

[CentralMassHokie]

Isn't the Chinese guy that got hit by the sling some sort of killer for his wifes father? How could he not tell that something was being whirled around rapidly. When the fiance and I watched it, once I heard that noise, I thought to myself, duck, obviously something is about to come right at you that is in the process of being whirled up to be tossed at you.

Actually, that's one of my favorite things about Lost so far. They've revealed stuff that makes you think something until they come back and show it to you from another perspective.

We have no real evidence that Jin is a mafia killer. That's been implied, but all we know is that Sun didn't want Jin to work for her dad and that Jin came home covered in blood which was enough to make Sun want to run away (even though she admits to loving him).

So, while it seems to imply that Jin performed some sort of hit for Sun's dad, we really don't know. I suspect will find out in a couple of weeks.

[CentralMassHokie]

according to some of the actors and actress on Lost, they know one main character will die on this season final. But no one knows who it will be yet.

The one false step Lost has taken so far was bringing Charlie back to life. I understand the story reasons for it, but they gave away a little of the capital they had earned with me up to that point.

[Yellow5]

the watership down angle is interesting....can someone who is familiar with it please fill us in?

Here is a summary (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/watership/summary.html) of the book.

And the list of characters. (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/watership/characters.html)

I assume they are borrowing from other books as well but this was the one that stands out.

[gottimd]

Anyone notice when Jin went to see that guy and say that his(Jins) Boss was "displeased with him", on the TV that the guys daughter was watching, Hurley was on it, looked like the news or something.

[jbmagic]

i was unable to tivo it tonight.

what happen on tonight epsiode? and any shocking news?

[moriarty]

Anyone notice when Jin went to see that guy and say that his(Jins) Boss was "displeased with him", on the TV that the guys daughter was watching, Hurley was on it, looked like the news or something.

Yeah, I totally saw that (had to rewind my Tivo to be sure though). That's like the 3rd or 4th time now two character's pasts have intertwined. Must be finally setting up the Hurley episode.

[moriarty]

i was unable to tivo it tonight.

what happen on tonight epsiode? and any shocking news?

Spoilers --------------------------


Well, in quick fashion:

Michael dude builds raft.
Someone burns raft at night.
Michael & all others blame korean dude.
Wheelchair/hunter guy blames the 'others'.
Korean woman speaks English to save husband - letting everyone including husband know she can speak English.
Husband dumps Korean girl and helps Michael start rebuilding boat.
Wheelchair/hunter dude reveals to Michaels' kid that he knows kid burned down boat. Kid says he likes the island and wants to stay, wheelchair dude agrees.
Skinny white chick and Iraqi dude hookup
Hurley's batteries run out on CD player
& other misc. backdrop on Korean dudes background.

[moriarty]

edit - sorry for the double post (network problems)

[cthomer5000]

The one false step Lost has taken so far was bringing Charlie back to life. I understand the story reasons for it, but they gave away a little of the capital they had earned with me up to that point.
Well, i'm fine with it, but you just can't do it twice. Bringing the snotty rich bitch back to life (although she was never really in danger) was very annoying, after already having had the Charlie thing take place.

[kingfc22]

Anyone notice when Jin went to see that guy and say that his(Jins) Boss was "displeased with him", on the TV that the guys daughter was watching, Hurley was on it, looked like the news or something.
Thank you Tivo. Had to do a double take to make sure.

[gottimd]

See post #102, the next episode is about Hurley. Once Boones sister finds out about Hurley, she is going to be "all up in dat".

[judicial clerk]

Some Random thoughts:

So, what actually happened to Jin's hands?

I think Saied should turn fundamentalist and make the sister start wearing a burka.

Shouldn't Hurley be dropping a few lbs?

Assuming one of the main characters dies in or near the season finale, who do you think it will be? From a production point of view, i might off the kid just because he is going to age to quickly, although maybe they could put this off for another year and I think the kid is important to the ultimate story.

Why didn't Sawyer reveal his meeting with Party of Five's dad or the contents of their conversation?

One thing I enjoy about the show is that it seems to play like a book. I am not even sure what I mean here, but I like that they producers are taking their time and jumping from storyline to storyline.

If you were in the characters exact situation and you could only pick one character to be there, who would you pick?

(oh, and you couldn't have sex with the character)

[gottimd]

So, what actually happened to Jin's hands?
He beat the crap out of the guy who was going to be killed, saving that guys life.

Shouldn't Hurley be dropping a few lbs?
Its TV. Im sure in reality he would, but this isn't reality...just go with the flow.

If you were in the characters exact situation and you could only pick one character to be there, who would you pick?
Boones Sister, and Kate (I think that is her name), and hell why not the asian chick.

(oh, and you couldn't have sex with the character)
oh, well then, that puts a whole new spin on the question.

[Anthony]

i'd probably pick either the korean guy (cuz he can fish) or hurley (because of his passive personality, you don't want 2 chiefs).

[moriarty]

Some Random thoughts:

So, what actually happened to Jin's hands?

If you mean the burn marks, his wife said that he got them trying to put out the fire on the raft.

I think Saied should turn fundamentalist and make the sister start wearing a burka.
Dont' know what a Burka is but if it means she can't prance around in a bikini ... bad idea. Very bad idea. By the way, nice gratuitous Korean bikini shots last night. Wish they could've used a slightly hotter actress.

Shouldn't Hurley be dropping a few lbs?
Seriously, and I mean in real life. That dude isn't going to live long. I think I read somewhere he's a comedian. Anyone verify this and/or seen his act?

Assuming one of the main characters dies in or near the season finale, who do you think it will be?
Methinks it's either Hurley (he's just not funny) or the Korean dude (the actor must hate pretending he can't speak English)

Why didn't Sawyer reveal his meeting with Party of Five's dad or the contents of their conversation?
He hates Jack. Why tell him that his father really forgives him for what he did. Why not just make him suffer or find a way to use it against him or trade it at some point.

I'd like to be stuck with Kate. Even if I couldn't 'bond' with her, at least I'd have a nice visual image for my daily visit to the 'bushes'.

[Swaggs]

Jin burnt his hands trying to put the fire out. He was the first one to see it burning.

I think Shannon or Boone are the most likely candidates to get killed. Shannon's budding "love story" might make for some good drama if she were to die.

[gottimd]

Tonight is the Hurley episode, and this is the last new episode for 6 weeks.

[Glengoyne]

Tonight is the Hurley episode, and this is the last new episode for 6 weeks.

Speaking of Hurley...When is he gonna start shedding the pounds?

[Cuckoo]

Speaking of Hurley...When is he gonna start shedding the pounds?


I'm curious actually whether that's in his contract or something. It would make sense to be in there, something like five-ten pounds per season. If he can't do it, they just have him fall off a cliff or get munched by a polar bear.

[rkmsuf]

I'm curious actually whether that's in his contract or something. It would make sense to be in there, something like five-ten pounds per season. If he can't do it, they just have him fall off a cliff or get munched by a polar bear.

Maybe part of the story is how he doesn't lose weight. More of the mythical powers of the island.

[rafini]

I think I read where the show's creators said they weren't going to make him lose weight - going to find ways to make sure they keep finding food on the island. (I'm not positive about this, though).

[Cuckoo]

I think I read where the show's creators said they weren't going to make him lose weight - going to find ways to make sure they keep finding food on the island. (I'm not positive about this, though).

Even if they found food, though, it isn't going to be Ring Dings and Jolt cola. The boy would lose weight. Unless.... (see rkmsuf's post).

[QuikSand]

Tonight is the Hurley episode, and this is the last new episode for 6 weeks.

Also speaking of Hurley -- did anyone else notice him on the television screen in the background during the Jin/Sun backstory? My recollection is a bit foggy... was he perhaps on screen as part of a news story? Or is/was he some kind of entertainer? (I'm thining the former, but don't recall exactly why)

[Suicane75]

Im super amped for tonights show. I'm ready to get into another persons story, and from what I've read Hurleys is pretty interesting.

[gottimd]

Also speaking of Hurley -- did anyone else notice him on the television screen in the background during the Jin/Sun backstory? My recollection is a bit foggy... was he perhaps on screen as part of a news story? Or is/was he some kind of entertainer? (I'm thining the former, but don't recall exactly why)

See post #136

[Pyser]

OK...that was interesting.

So what do the numbers mean? They made it seem like the numbers are the answer to everything - why everyone is there.

Plus we also know now there is a radio tower on the island, next to the infamous black rock...which to me indicates the island is not really remote at all.

So what does it all mean?

[kingfc22]

So what were the numbers on at the end of the show? Anybody else catch that Hurley owns a box company? 99% sure that it will end up being the same box company that Locke worked for. I love how they inter-twine all the characters. Makes the show very interesting IMO.

[Suicane75]

OK...that was interesting.

So what do the numbers mean? They made it seem like the numbers are the answer to everything - why everyone is there.

Plus we also know now there is a radio tower on the island, next to the infamous black rock...which to me indicates the island is not really remote at all.

So what does it all mean?

I thought that Hurleys story was handled very badly, too much comedy for my tastes. I was dissapointed in the whole show right up until the last 15 minutes, and the damn thing hooked me again.

[gottimd]

Some may be useless, but others are good to note.

Did anyone catch the Three Indiana Jones References in the Episode Last night? Sawyer calling the kid "Short Round", the Rope Bridge, and Weight Replacement of Hurley on that Booby trap.

Wasn't there a dream sequence in an earlier episode (perhaps by Claire) where Locke was building a crib and a mass amount of blood might have been involved? Last night he gave her that exact Crib. Why didn't she recognize it?

Did anyone else catch the fact that Hurley owned the box company where Locke worked? Locke previously stated he was from Tustin, the place where Hurley owned the Box company, and Locke worked for a Box company.

In another forum I picked up this, so I'll post it here for discussion.
This hatch is the key(obviously) To me, its either two things. A crashed alien spaceship, or a time machine(sphere, etc). The French chick says her ship picked up the transmission of numbers and followed it to the island, at the end the numbers are etched outside the hatch. French chick also said the sickness killed everyone but her. Could be an alien disease from the buried "tommyknocker" ship.(thats a reference, nothing more) Ship alters everything and everyone around it. Little boy is afraid of and reads about polar bears, thus their there. Buried ship is old, but by some chance something from it has survived. In a very Forbidden Planet vibe, it happens to be an invisible monster.(Episode with brother and sister shows an explosion of leaves as something moves, but you see nothing) Whatevers in the hatch cause electromagnetic disruptions which send planes and ships crashing into it. The tower the French lady mentions at Black Rock was set up by some surviving alien/time travelers(could be the corpses in the cave that Jack found, or corpses could be French chicks companions) If time travelers, they crashed in the distant past or perhaps early 1900's. The numbers are the ships code basically, like flight numbers. They sent it out as an emergency transmission, which was never answered before they died. Thats all I can come up with at this time. Criticize if you want(I actually want you to, but you probably don't care.) I could use some new info I may have missed if you got it. Other theory I have but is more unlikely than anything else, the "island" their on is the long lost Eden, where the almighty has sent these preselected people to discover what their purpose is and all that kind of bullshit. Doubt this theory very much(and that ain't just my opinion, I'm telling you to doubt it.)

Although someone said they know what is in the Hatch, and it isn't the key, they said the key is this "Black Rock".

The numbers 4-8-15-16-23-42 on a map as a latitude of 4 degrees 8 minutes and a longitude of 151 degrees and 6 minutes indicate a spot near the Caroline Islands just north of Australia.

[moriarty]

So what were the numbers on at the end of the show? Anybody else catch that Hurley owns a box company? 99% sure that it will end up being the same box company that Locke worked for. I love how they inter-twine all the characters. Makes the show very interesting IMO.

Good catch.

Rather than going with the space theory postulated (why would aliens scribe earthling numbers on the hatch?) I'm going with the island/bunker was some type of World War II test facility theory. Something along the lines of some freaky chemical/genetic testing which would explain the weird monsters and the 'sickness' of the others (although it doesn't directly explain the 'super' powers of locke and others).

Didn't the backstory say the guy was in the Navy listening for radio signals in the south pacific (and maybe I'm assuming in WWII here or there abouts judging by the age of the character) when he first heard the numbers first being broadcast? That would place the timing of the numbers and the 'event' whatever it is around the WWII timeframe.

[gottimd]

Do not press links if you dont want to know.....

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT
here (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm8)

Picture of the hatch revealed? (http://www.crewpix.com/gallery/TVShows/hatchlostJPG)

[Pyser]

that is so tempting. why did you post that link?

i wont click it.

i must.

no. i wont.

[gottimd]

that is so tempting. why did you post that link?

i wont click it.

i must.

no. i wont.

Payback for outbidding me on Free Agents :mad:

The first link is another forum, which spoilers are discussed/verified.

Second link is a picture.

[Pyser]

oh come on! i had more cap room than hurley has money! (hows THAT for a tie in!)

[kingfc22]

Very evil that link is. I will not give in.

[gottimd]

I know jbmagic will, come on....it'll answer alot of questions.....and it will give you uncontrollable diarrhea. DO IT! All the cool kids are pressing the link. I triple dog dare you!

[Schmidty]

That last episode made me hate the show even more. Way too pumped up. There's no way they could ever live up to the way they've draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaged out the "mysteries" of the show. Wish I wasn't forced to Tivo it and watch it by my wife.

[gottimd]

oh don't worry, things will be tied up and resolved...........

[Schmidty]

oh don't worry, things will be tied up and resolved...........

I hope so, but I guess that's part of the problem. If the revelation isn't up to the same level as the wait, I will be extremely annoyed (as I already am).

[Raiders Army]

Do not press links if you dont want to know.....

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT
here (http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm8)

Picture of the hatch revealed? (http://www.crewpix.com/gallery/TVShows/hatchlostJPG)
Major overload at that site looking at the Numbers thread. Near the end, I saw somebody posted that Hurley was worth $156 million. I wonder if that had any significance.

[jbmagic]

I know jbmagic will, come on....it'll answer alot of questions.....and it will give you uncontrollable diarrhea. DO IT! All the cool kids are pressing the link. I triple dog dare you!


lol

i am a big fan of the show, and i am still going to click on the links above :)

wow, a lot of great info.

[KWhit]

I just got around to watching this episode. Man, I love this show. I hope the resolution lives up to my expectations.

I want to click on that link so bad (not to mention the post earlier with all the invisible text spoilers...

Damn!

[gottimd]

I just got around to watching this episode. Man, I love this show. I hope the resolution lives up to my expectations.

I want to click on that link so bad (not to mention the post earlier with all the invisible text spoilers...

Damn!

You can view the inviso text spoilers as they have already occurred. The only thing that it shows now that is not known, are the episode titles and which character they are focused on, and who wrote the episodes. It doesn't give away anything in regards to plot.

[KWhit]

Ah! Okay, thanks. It was killing me.

[thealmighty]

We're all waiting on resolutions, but if this is a 2-3 year plan for the show, how many things can actually be resolved and still leave any kind of plotlines next season?

It's not like a '24' where it is resolved and a totally new plot starts next year.

[gottimd]

I didn't mean that all loose ends will be tied up by seasons end. Just the fact that people seem to be stating "Where the hell did that plot line go?" or "whatever happened to....". There seems to be upcoming episodes, whether it be this season, or a next one, that ties things together slowly.

But if they tie things together too soon, then people will stop watching, and it will become like gilligans island, just a bunch of people lost on an island.

[jbmagic]

no one seems to be discussing the fact that hurley was in a mental institution.

also, i wish i could go back to the japanese episode, because when i saw hurley on TV, it didn't look like a press conference to me. it looked like he was being arrested.


maybe they were just showing amercian news.

Remember when Hurley was showing his Mom her new house and then it was on fire and the cops arrested him.

[Pyser]

no one seems to be discussing the fact that hurley was in a mental institution.

also, i wish i could go back to the japanese episode, because when i saw hurley on TV, it didn't look like a press conference to me. it looked like he was being arrested.

[Suicane75]

no one seems to be discussing the fact that hurley was in a mental institution.

also, i wish i could go back to the japanese episode, because when i saw hurley on TV, it didn't look like a press conference to me. it looked like he was being arrested.

My assumption was that he worked there.

[gottimd]

No, when they were interviewing him after he won the money he said something like "and I wanted to thank my family for all that I have put them through" or something to that effect. My guess, is that he was in that insane asylum.

[moriarty]

also, i wish i could go back to the japanese episode, because when i saw hurley on TV, it didn't look like a press conference to me. it looked like he was being arrested.

I believe that they are Korean .... but carry on.

[Raven]

I just checked out the pic that gottimd posted. After reading some of the posts there, it made me think of something.

It used to sound ludicrous that Hurley was betting 10s of thousands of dollars on backgammon with the kid. One of those "I'll never have to pay kind of bets" that kids make. Now we see that its not crazy at all. Don't know if that really means anything or was just filler for the show, but its an interesting thought.

[Pyser]

good point. hurley can also easily buy his way onto the raft, but doesnt seem to have any interest in leaving.

[gottimd]

good point. hurley can also easily buy his way onto the raft, but doesnt seem to have any interest in leaving.

Because no one will believe him if he says he will pay them a huge amount of money (See charlies reaction in Numbers Episode). Also, Walt has already said he can only carry 4 people (Himself, his son, Sawyer, and Jin).

[Pyser]

i didnt know jin was officially on the raft.

[jbmagic]

Because no one will believe him if he says he will pay them a huge amount of money (See charlies reaction in Numbers Episode). Also, Walt has already said he can only carry 4 people (Himself, his son, Sawyer, and Jin).


maybe one of them wil die on the final.

they said that one regular wil die on final.

[gottimd]

That raft ain't goin' nowhere.

[Pyser]

That raft ain't goin' nowhere.

obviously.

EW says sawyer had a cameo in boone's episode. anyone remember this? i dont mind the cameo's, but it sounds like they are trying to make it like everyone kind of had an effect on everyone else's life before they ever crashed.

which would make me believe one of them did cause the plane to crash.

[gottimd]

Yes, I remember Sawyers cameo. When Boone was in some jail reporting a crime against his sister I think, the policemen are dragging in Sawyer who seems to be "resisting" arrest.

There are many connections between alot of the characters. For instance, Hurley won the lottery, from this he apparently was majority share holder for a Box company, which Boone operated (from parents), which Locke worked for.

Sawyer knew Jacks Dad.

Locke was a huge fan on "Drive Shaft", Charlies band and apparently saw a few shows.

There is another plane crash, not sure when it happened, but Boone finds it, and apparently it has a ton of drugs on it.

[Pyser]

i get that they are trying to connect the characters.

the question is why.

[gottimd]

The why will be answered as the season(s) progress. That is the whole mystery. All of these random people are connected in different ways. Imagine getting on an airplane and little did you know that you have interacted/run into/met either indirectly or directly, with some of the passengers,but didn't know it. And these connections provide a reason as to why something tragic happened.

Basically, the "why" is the reason why people are hooked on this show, as well as the "what". No one knows, but everyone wants to know.

[Pyser]

i dont think taking an angle that all the characters are somehow related to each other in their lives makes it more interesting. and i dont think it would be written in as a coincidence. if they dealt with each other in the past, id imagine it would play a large part as to why these specific people survived the crash, and why they are there.

what im getting at, is we should be at the point where enough clues have been given that we can start to figure some of this out ourselves.

[kingfc22]

I think the intrigue in the show is that you can't figure out what is going to happen. Kinda like the 6th Sense, it's just not the same movie after you've seen it the first time. I like not being able to figure everything out, but I like that I can try.

[Raven]

There are many connections between alot of the characters. For instance, Hurley won the lottery, from this he apparently was majority share holder for a Box company, which Boone operated (from parents), which Locke worked for.


Actually, I don't think Boone was related to the box company. Boone ran his mother's company which did something for weddings?

[gottimd]

Actually, I don't think Boone was related to the box company. Boone ran his mother's company which did something for weddings?
You are correct, but he also ran a box company as well.

[gottimd]

OK, I was contemplating invisotexting this, but it is not really a spoiler, just a theory to discuss that I found on another board........

Locke has been on this Island Before
I have found a lead on the theory behind the island. I've seen a post about the Navy's "Philadelphia Experiment" in 1942. This is where the Navy supposedly experimented with electronic magnetic fields to create invisible ships. One of the cable networks did a special about it and it explained weird mishaps that occured due to the physics defying natural law due to the magnetic field. The USS Philadelphia was the ship that experimented with this field and it's crew members all suffered wierd experiences. Supposedly, some were set on fire, some experienced serious radiological side effects, some supposedly transported into another dimension and were either (1) never found again or (2) reentered the demension in weird places like in the deckplates of the ship. I'm not saying I believe this stuff....but the theory ties into the story.

I surmise the following:

Locke was a member of a government program (either the Navy, or some other more secret agency) that delved in this magnetic cloaking back in the 40s. The experimental vessel, probably a ship (which is what is buried on the island) experienced a dimensional physical mishap that buried it and it's crew on the island, which became cloaked in this invisible magnetic field. Within the field, and on the island, the crew members experienced a realm defying physical reality. Locke was a member of this initial habitation (which will be shown in episode 19). Some of the members were trapped in alternative physical dimensions (which explain the invisible voices of the island). Some died, and others like Locke were left stranded. The government left them there, worrying about the results of the experiment should this technology escape into the Earth as we know it. Inside the magnetic field, the island inhabitted surreal characteristics, imaginary beasts being created in an alternate universe. Others came upon the island drawn by the "distress" signals given off by the survivors of the mishap. Locke, was one of the crew members to escape the island, and as a result of enterring back into the regular physical world outside of the magnetic field, suffered severe physical consequences. He has spent a lifetime looking and trying to get back to the island, which was cloaked from civilian radar and was guarded by the US military (which explains why the Navy monitorred this pacific region until the French woman terminated the signal from the tower). Notice that Locke states that he came to Australia "looking for something" (the island...which was the only place he could reatin his normal physical prowess within the magnetic field). Notice he also said that what he was looking for "found him" (ie-the plane crashed into the island). Locke started working for Hurley when he discovered that he had won the lotto with the 4 8 15 16 24 42 number series. He followed Hurley to Australia hoping that the trip to the pacific would lead him to the "lost island".

When Locke explains to the castaways that the battle was with the people "out there" he was referring to his old crew survivors that live on the island and want to maintain the secret fearing that the proliferation of whatever was on the ship would have disastrous consequences to the planet earth as we know it. Ethan, was such a member. Claire's child (who would be born within this alternate magnetic field), would have potentially disastrous consequences to the rest of reality. This is why Ethan captured Claire, but did not kill her child. He wanted to wait until the birth and either (a) kill the child or (b) ensure the child never left the island to prevent the disaster that would ensue.

In episode 19, we will learn the disastrous consequenses of opening a machine that would probably proliferate the magnetic field further, hence alterring the world as we know it: hence the episode title "God by machine". Locke either wants to protect the child and keep it on the island, protect the ship from being opened, or prevent the castaways from escaping the island...or....if he is of evil persuasion: he will try to open the buried ship or do something with the child and ship hence openning the gateway to a new Earth.

This is where the greater good concept will tie up at the end of this season. Locke will let them in on the secret and the survivors will debate on their escape from the island (saving themselves) or their staying on the island (saving the Earth).

One Reply noted:
1942 was 62 years ago. If Locke was 17 then (the youngest he could have been and still been in the Navy), then he would be 79 years old now?!?

The response to that was:
In "The Philadelphia Experiement" movie, the lead character elected to stay in the future (40 years) where he remained the same age during WWII. Everyone he knew appeared to be in their 60's, while he remained in his 20's. Maybe Locke was high-ranking officer, which could account for his age. Although none of that explains why he would take a job at a box factory and where Walt's "powers" come from.

[Suicane75]

OK, I was contemplating invisotexting this, but it is not really a spoiler, just a theory to discuss that I found on another board........

Locke has been on this Island Before
I have found a lead on the theory behind the island. I've seen a post about the Navy's "Philadelphia Experiment" in 1942. This is where the Navy supposedly experimented with electronic magnetic fields to create invisible ships. One of the cable networks did a special about it and it explained weird mishaps that occured due to the physics defying natural law due to the magnetic field. The USS Philadelphia was the ship that experimented with this field and it's crew members all suffered wierd experiences. Supposedly, some were set on fire, some experienced serious radiological side effects, some supposedly transported into another dimension and were either (1) never found again or (2) reentered the demension in weird places like in the deckplates of the ship. I'm not saying I believe this stuff....but the theory ties into the story.

I surmise the following:

Locke was a member of a government program (either the Navy, or some other more secret agency) that delved in this magnetic cloaking back in the 40s. The experimental vessel, probably a ship (which is what is buried on the island) experienced a dimensional physical mishap that buried it and it's crew on the island, which became cloaked in this invisible magnetic field. Within the field, and on the island, the crew members experienced a realm defying physical reality. Locke was a member of this initial habitation (which will be shown in episode 19). Some of the members were trapped in alternative physical dimensions (which explain the invisible voices of the island). Some died, and others like Locke were left stranded. The government left them there, worrying about the results of the experiment should this technology escape into the Earth as we know it. Inside the magnetic field, the island inhabitted surreal characteristics, imaginary beasts being created in an alternate universe. Others came upon the island drawn by the "distress" signals given off by the survivors of the mishap. Locke, was one of the crew members to escape the island, and as a result of enterring back into the regular physical world outside of the magnetic field, suffered severe physical consequences. He has spent a lifetime looking and trying to get back to the island, which was cloaked from civilian radar and was guarded by the US military (which explains why the Navy monitorred this pacific region until the French woman terminated the signal from the tower). Notice that Locke states that he came to Australia "looking for something" (the island...which was the only place he could reatin his normal physical prowess within the magnetic field). Notice he also said that what he was looking for "found him" (ie-the plane crashed into the island). Locke started working for Hurley when he discovered that he had won the lotto with the 4 8 15 16 24 42 number series. He followed Hurley to Australia hoping that the trip to the pacific would lead him to the "lost island".

When Locke explains to the castaways that the battle was with the people "out there" he was referring to his old crew survivors that live on the island and want to maintain the secret fearing that the proliferation of whatever was on the ship would have disastrous consequences to the planet earth as we know it. Ethan, was such a member. Claire's child (who would be born within this alternate magnetic field), would have potentially disastrous consequences to the rest of reality. This is why Ethan captured Claire, but did not kill her child. He wanted to wait until the birth and either (a) kill the child or (b) ensure the child never left the island to prevent the disaster that would ensue.

In episode 19, we will learn the disastrous consequenses of opening a machine that would probably proliferate the magnetic field further, hence alterring the world as we know it: hence the episode title "God by machine". Locke either wants to protect the child and keep it on the island, protect the ship from being opened, or prevent the castaways from escaping the island...or....if he is of evil persuasion: he will try to open the buried ship or do something with the child and ship hence openning the gateway to a new Earth.

This is where the greater good concept will tie up at the end of this season. Locke will let them in on the secret and the survivors will debate on their escape from the island (saving themselves) or their staying on the island (saving the Earth).

One Reply noted:
1942 was 62 years ago. If Locke was 17 then (the youngest he could have been and still been in the Navy), then he would be 79 years old now?!?

The response to that was:
In "The Philadelphia Experiement" movie, the lead character elected to stay in the future (40 years) where he remained the same age during WWII. Everyone he knew appeared to be in their 60's, while he remained in his 20's. Maybe Locke was high-ranking officer, which could account for his age. Although none of that explains why he would take a job at a box factory and where Walt's "powers" come from.


Interesting theory, but I don't believe the truth is that whacky, for lack of a better term.

[Pyser]

great theory. i dont even care if its true.

thats the fun of the show, until they reveal their "truth".

the only problem with that theory is the show would essentially end in lockes episode. it answers almost all the questions, which i doubt theyd do so soon.

[moriarty]

Makes for a good theory.

I can just see the writers of the show scanning the boards and coming across this theory going, 'whew, I was wondering how we were going to tie up all this crap we made up ... this sounds great'.

[gottimd]

They bumped up the next new episode. Originally it was going to be a 6 week hiatus, now they are saying the new episode will air on March 30th, instead of Mid April.

[KWhit]

Good. I'm jonesin' for some lost.

[Swaggs]

Probably because a lot of the Thursday programs are moving to Wednesday to avoid competing with the NCAAs. Lost seems to be very aware of competing programs. They took a hiatus for the first few weeks of American Idol, when it was running during its timeslot on Weds.

[gottimd]

It didn't take a Hiatus, I thought it just moved the time slots around, show at 8 if American Idol was on at 9, and vice versa.

[kingfc22]

New episode tonight. Good thing I checked because my Tivo did not know. :eek:

[timmynausea]

I can't wait until tonight. That hiatus sucked.

[gottimd]

Its gonna be a really good episode. I just shat myself thinking of it.

[JasonC23]

New episode tonight. Good thing I checked because my Tivo did not know. :eek:
Strange...I only knew because my TiVo told me.

[Pyser]

man, talk about a tivo tossup. the season finale of Lost airs at the EXACT SAME TIME as the season finale of American Idol. I'll be watching Lost, without a doubt. but thats pretty crazy, all the same.

cant wait for tonights episode, by the way.

[jbmagic]

man, talk about a tivo tossup. the season finale of Lost airs at the EXACT SAME TIME as the season finale of American Idol. I'll be watching Lost, without a doubt. but thats pretty crazy, all the same.

cant wait for tonights episode, by the way.


i going to watch both finals. My directtivo i can record two different channel at same time. i can watch one channel and record a differrent channel. i can watch whats on my play list and record two different channels at same time.

i love Tivo.

[Pyser]

OK. who here could hear what the guy on the radio was saying to Boone about his flight that crashed? i replayed it a couple times, but of course Locke is yelling over it. someone had to hear it though, right?

[gottimd]

OK. who here could hear what the guy on the radio was saying to Boone about his flight that crashed? i replayed it a couple times, but of course Locke is yelling over it. someone had to hear it though, right?

Was that really important? I thought it was just a guy saying hello. Are you talking about after Boone mentioned the flight #? I couldn't tell either what was said by the guy on the radio, was it something like "Yeah Right, thats impossible, that flight crashed...."

[Swaggs]

Another good episode, although the backstory was a little predictable.

When the hatch lit up, I got a chill. Next week's episode looks a little "blah," though.

[stkelly52]

The producers of Lost have already said that one of the main characters is going to die this season. Any predictions on who that will be? Boone may be the obvious choice after last night, but ever since they leaked that someone would die they have made it look like quite a few people were on the verge of dying.

[Anthony]

maybe that pregnant chick will die giving birth.

let's face it the only thing she adds to the story is the mystery of her baby. she herself isn't integral to the storyline. this way they get to keep us on the edge of our seat by killing a "major" character go all the while retaining people will more important plots.

[gottimd]

Maybe the cast will be attacked by a bunch of 5 year olds.

[Pyser]

i guess we can expect charlie to relapse now that there is an endless supply of heroin on the island.

in the last tv guide, the guy who plays sawyer was asked who will die at the end of the season. he said "just look at whose storyline isnt progressing."

which to me means boone, claire, maybe michael, or maybe one of the korean couple.

[Anthony]

if claire is the pregnant chick then it's her.

like i said once she has the baby, there isn't anything really important or intriguing about her that would necessitate keeping her around.

[Cuckoo]

if claire is the pregnant chick then it's her.

like i said once she has the baby, there isn't anything really important or intriguing about her that would necessitate keeping her around.

How about the fact that she's hot and has a sexy accent? Seriously, a show that takes place on the beach needs hot chicks, and when she drops the baby, I feel confident that she'll miraculously look great in a bikini.
:D

[panerd]

Is how Locke became paralized still is mystery or did I miss something? I figured it would be related to the kidney transplant or wrecking his car after getting pissed off at his dad, but it looks like neither.

[Pyser]

it's still a mystery. but glad i wasnt the only one waiting for another car to come flying by at the end of the episode and smash into him.

i love his character. i hope he doesnt lose the use of his legs again.

[stkelly52]

Is how Locke became paralized still is mystery or did I miss something? I figured it would be related to the kidney transplant or wrecking his car after getting pissed off at his dad, but it looks like neither.
During last night's episode he said that he was paralysed 4 years ago. Last night's flashback had to be further back than 4 years (he looked far to young to have only aged 4 years).

I suspect that we will find out what happened later.

[Thomkal]

I think perhaps that was my favorite episode of the series so far. The actor playing Locke (Terry Quinn?) should get an award for it.

[gottimd]

During last night's episode he said that he was paralysed 4 years ago. Last night's flashback had to be further back than 4 years (he looked far to young to have only aged 4 years).

I suspect that we will find out what happened later.

Correct. I am thinking it is a hunting type accident. He seems to know alot about hunting and survival tactics, which couldn't have been picked up from those few sundays of going hunting with Mr. Cooper (Hanging with Mr. Cooper). Also, that scar below his eye wasn't there in his earlier years.

[Raiders Army]

I thought the scar was from the actual plane crash?

[Pyser]

I thought the scar was from the actual plane crash?

no way. it looks all healed up and scarred over.

[KWhit]

I think perhaps that was my favorite episode of the series so far. The actor playing Locke (Terry Quinn?) should get an award for it.
He's definitely the best actor of the bunch (and one of the best on TV period).

[gottimd]

OK. who here could hear what the guy on the radio was saying to Boone about his flight that crashed? i replayed it a couple times, but of course Locke is yelling over it. someone had to hear it though, right?


Found this:

But Boone finds a radio in the cockpit and radios out that they are survivors of Oceanic Flight 815). The plane starts to slide and Locke is yelling. Just as the plane falls, with Boone inside, you hear a voice over the radio saying that "there are no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." The plane falls into the ground, nose first.

[Swaggs]

Found this:

you hear a voice over the radio saying that "there are no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815."


Wow. I didn't hear that when I watched, but that is creepy.

[Pyser]

i knew they were saying something important!

that said, that could mean anything. since these people crashed with the plane on an island, obviously the plane nor bodies were ever found. it would probably be assumed the plane crashed in the water, hence no survivors.

i dont take it to mean they are all dead. then who would they be talking to?

[Raven]

I think that radio call will set up "how they eventually get rescued".

[Pyser]

ok, i dont think they are on a remote island at all anymore. there is the french woman and her group, the drug smugglers, and the lost people. seriously. they are on a well traveled route.

one thought: the french woman was hearing the drug smugglers distress call. maybe the "sickness" was everyone got hooked on heroin? just thought of that. probably not, though.

[gottimd]

I think that radio call will set up "how they eventually get rescued".

You think? That in my mind would be a horrible ending. Like 2-3 seasons down the line a rescue team finally comes and says, "it took us a while to trace where that call was coming from"....Roll Credits.

[timmynausea]

You think? That in my mind would be a horrible ending. Like 2-3 seasons down the line a rescue team finally comes and says, "it took us a while to trace where that call was coming from"....Roll Credits.
That's a good point. I think this show has mostly tragic ending written all over it.

[DanGarion]

I thought the scar was from the actual plane crash?
The scar was from the crash. If you see the first episode he's got a cut.

[timmynausea]

The scar was from the crash. If you see the first episode he's got a cut.
This is correct. I meant to mention this as well, but got distracted.

[Pyser]

shows what i know.

[kingfc22]

Was this the first backstory that they've shown where another character did NOT show up in the background somewhere? If so, why not?

And it seems like Locke is the real "key" to the story and I don't think his last name is accidental either.

[larrymcg421]

Was this the first backstory that they've shown where another character did NOT show up in the background somewhere? If so, why not?
We don't know that yet. I bet that little kid playing mousetrap is one of the castaways.

[kingfc22]

We don't know that yet. I bet that little kid playing mousetrap is one of the castaways.
Forgot about that kid...

[cthomer5000]

Found this:

But Boone finds a radio in the cockpit and radios out that they are survivors of Oceanic Flight 815). The plane starts to slide and Locke is yelling. Just as the plane falls, with Boone inside, you hear a voice over the radio saying that "there are no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." The plane falls into the ground, nose first. I think they're really paraphrasing with that. I've just listened to it about 10 times in a row, and here's what I've got:

Boone: Hello. Hello? Anybody out there? May Day, May Day.

Voice: Is someone there?

Boone: Hello! Hello! Can you hear me?

Voice: Repeat your transmission please.

Boone: Hello. We're survivors of the crash of Oceanic flight 8-1-5. Please copy.

Voice: Hello. Impossible... [indistinguishable due to background noise] ...Oceanic Flight 8-1-5.

So the remark was likely something to the effect of "Impossible that there are survivors of Oceanic Flight 815." I understand the paraphrasing, but just wanted anyone who didn't quite catch it in real time to know that it wasn't so crystal clear.

[gottimd]

Ct

I got the info from a spoiler site, which the info was confirmed. I dont think the response will play into anything. Once I boot up work laptop, I will post the links....

[cthomer5000]

Ct

I got the info from a spoiler site, which the info was confirmed. I dont think the response will play into anything. Once I boot up work laptop, I will post the links....
That may very well be what was said when they created the scene.. i'm just saying that through an actual viewing of the show, there's no way that quote can be heard. Yeah, and I'm sure it won't matter, i think the general message is all that matters here.

[gottimd]

The finale is now three hours and is broken down into one hour the first week, May 18 and two hours the second week, May 25. Supposedly there are flashbacks of every one of the main characters, in the only place they've ever been together all at the same time.

[QuikSand]

Supposedly there are flashbacks of every one of the main characters, in the only place they've ever been together all at the same time.

That would be on the plane?

[KWhit]

Or the airport.

[gottimd]

Or a MP FOF League Draft online.

[kingfc22]

That would be on the plane?
At a Drive Shaft concert.http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[gottimd]

Well, I made a mistake, apparently it is being reported now that the other voice on the other side of Boones radio transmission said "We're the Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815", not "There are no Survivors of Oceanic Flight 815". So knowing this now, I would guess and say the other half of the plane that crashed is stuck somewhere on the island, and has a radio, and they were responding to Boone. There have been reports of new castaways being introduced shortly (Daniel Roebuck).