Lathum
01-20-2005, 03:08 PM
So all you poker players out there, I need your opinion.This is kind of a long post but an entertaining hand.
I was playing in a live tournament last night and I was playing perfectly untill this hand happened and I can't stop thinking if I made the right move. I'll set the situation up for you.
There were about 70 people in the tournament and at the time of the hand we were probably down to about 40. We started with 3000 in chips and 10-20 blinds. At the time I had about 5600 in chips and was the big stack at my table. I also had a good read on most of the players at my table and was playing flawlesly.
At the time the blinds were up to 100-200 and I was third to act. The person under the gun folds and the next person calls 200. I look at my cards and find pocket jacks. I raise to 600. 2 people call including the big blind. The original 200 caller folded leaving 3 people in the hand.
The flop comes 4 8 8 with 2 clubs. I am now the first to act. I think for a minute and ask myself a few questions. The first is am I ahead in the hand right now. It is a pretty safe assumption I am unless one of my openents was holding an overpair ( I consider this unlikely since they both just called my initial raise and didn't re-raise). Or unless one of them was holding an 8 and playing a hand like A8 suited, I thought this was also unlikely since my big pre-flop raise would have driven them away from a drawing hand.
Next I ask myself what could they have. I am assuming they have big cards such as AK, AQ ( which one of the guys in the hand had already called a big raise with once before) or KQ. I figured a Jack was unlikely since I had 2 of them already. They also could hold an underpair such as tens, or if they had 44 I was dead. However I was confident I was ahead at this point.
This is where my play becomes questionable. I know I have to bet a decent amount since there was already 2000 in the pot and I needed to make it expensive for them to hit there overcard on the turn or river. I can check and see if one of them bets, but I decided this is a bad idea because I don't want to give them a free card that can beat me and I am a pretty aggressive player anyway. So without much more thought I go all in and decided to make it REALLY expensive to try and draw their overcard. The guy next to act thinks for a minute and calls, as soon as he does I realize I made a huge mistake because I only have him covered by 800 in chips. I thought he still may be on a draw but I bet 4200 to win 2000 which isn't a smart bet. The other guy folds leaving us heads up and my opponent all in.
I flip the jacks feeling confident I just need to dodge a few bullets and my oppenent flips 6 8 offsuit giving him trip 8's. Another 4 comes on the turn and a blank on the river giving him a fullhouse 8's over 4's. At this point I want to leap across the table and kill him, not because he beat me but because he called a big raise pre-flop with 86 offsuit. I actually battled back to 2000 in chips and had a chance to triple up and get back in it, but my pocket queens got smashed when I was all in and someone caught a spade on the river for a flush.
As I was driving home I started to replay the hand and I wondered if I played it right. By going all in I put my oppenents to the test for all of there chips. I never could have put him on his hand, and even with the eights he had a weak kicker and could have been slaughtered if I had A8 or something similar. IF I bet small and he calls the turn card is a 4 making the board 4 8 8 4 I probably still bet there with no over cards.
SO what do you all think? What could I have done differentlly if anything?
I was playing in a live tournament last night and I was playing perfectly untill this hand happened and I can't stop thinking if I made the right move. I'll set the situation up for you.
There were about 70 people in the tournament and at the time of the hand we were probably down to about 40. We started with 3000 in chips and 10-20 blinds. At the time I had about 5600 in chips and was the big stack at my table. I also had a good read on most of the players at my table and was playing flawlesly.
At the time the blinds were up to 100-200 and I was third to act. The person under the gun folds and the next person calls 200. I look at my cards and find pocket jacks. I raise to 600. 2 people call including the big blind. The original 200 caller folded leaving 3 people in the hand.
The flop comes 4 8 8 with 2 clubs. I am now the first to act. I think for a minute and ask myself a few questions. The first is am I ahead in the hand right now. It is a pretty safe assumption I am unless one of my openents was holding an overpair ( I consider this unlikely since they both just called my initial raise and didn't re-raise). Or unless one of them was holding an 8 and playing a hand like A8 suited, I thought this was also unlikely since my big pre-flop raise would have driven them away from a drawing hand.
Next I ask myself what could they have. I am assuming they have big cards such as AK, AQ ( which one of the guys in the hand had already called a big raise with once before) or KQ. I figured a Jack was unlikely since I had 2 of them already. They also could hold an underpair such as tens, or if they had 44 I was dead. However I was confident I was ahead at this point.
This is where my play becomes questionable. I know I have to bet a decent amount since there was already 2000 in the pot and I needed to make it expensive for them to hit there overcard on the turn or river. I can check and see if one of them bets, but I decided this is a bad idea because I don't want to give them a free card that can beat me and I am a pretty aggressive player anyway. So without much more thought I go all in and decided to make it REALLY expensive to try and draw their overcard. The guy next to act thinks for a minute and calls, as soon as he does I realize I made a huge mistake because I only have him covered by 800 in chips. I thought he still may be on a draw but I bet 4200 to win 2000 which isn't a smart bet. The other guy folds leaving us heads up and my opponent all in.
I flip the jacks feeling confident I just need to dodge a few bullets and my oppenent flips 6 8 offsuit giving him trip 8's. Another 4 comes on the turn and a blank on the river giving him a fullhouse 8's over 4's. At this point I want to leap across the table and kill him, not because he beat me but because he called a big raise pre-flop with 86 offsuit. I actually battled back to 2000 in chips and had a chance to triple up and get back in it, but my pocket queens got smashed when I was all in and someone caught a spade on the river for a flush.
As I was driving home I started to replay the hand and I wondered if I played it right. By going all in I put my oppenents to the test for all of there chips. I never could have put him on his hand, and even with the eights he had a weak kicker and could have been slaughtered if I had A8 or something similar. IF I bet small and he calls the turn card is a 4 making the board 4 8 8 4 I probably still bet there with no over cards.
SO what do you all think? What could I have done differentlly if anything?