Atlanta Big Show

[rkmsuf]

Anyone in Atlanta listen to this? I think it's sports.

I'm listening to the Boston show down at radio row from Jacksonville and they are sitting next to these guys.

It's unreal how loud they are. They like bark into the microphones and yell every 5 seconds. You can hear them on the Boston broadcast. I think they had to call the security guys to get them to calm down.

[VPI97]

Is that Cotter and Dimino? Meh, it could be worse...it could be Buck Belue and that assclown he has for a partner.

[Suicane75]

Sounds like compelling radio. :rolleyes:

[JonInMiddleGA]

LOL, I think I just bought spots in that show.
I believe that's Chris DiMino & Chris Cotter
http://790thezone.com/People/People.aspx

[rkmsuf]

the Boston sports guys are yelling at them while on the air because the Atlanta guys are so loud and obnoxious.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I suspect the Boston guys just don't like DiMino because he's from Brooklyn :D

[rkmsuf]

I don't know but you could clearly hear them barking - dog barking - every 30 seconds.

[VPI97]

I don't know but you could clearly hear them barking - dog barking - every 30 seconds. Sounds like the 2 Live Stews.

AIGHT! AIGHT! AIGHT!

Edit - The Stews are from 1 to 4, so what you were hearing was probably the end of their show.

[rkmsuf]

Could be. They weren't sure of the name of the show. Just they were from Atlanta.

1-4 sounds about right. This has been going on all afternoon.

[KWhit]

Yeah, that's the stews you're talking about. Horrible show, IMO.

But I like the Big Show.

[VPI97]

Yeah, that's the stews you're talking about. Horrible show, IMO.

But I like the Big Show. I like the Stews :)

I used to despise DiMino when he was partnered up with Cellini...it was like putting two grumpy old men together and giving them microphones. Everything sucked and everyone's opinion was automatically wrong but theirs....he's better now that he's not with Cellini, but, at times, he still tends to get condescending.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oh crap, I didn't even think to connect this to 2 Live Stews. The dog barks are a dead giveaway, dollar to donuts it was them.

[Buzzbee]

Oh crap, I didn't even think to connect this to 2 Live Stews. The dog barks are a dead giveaway, dollar to donuts it was them.
Yup.

You're in the DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG HOWWWSE.

AIGHT! AIGHT! AIGHT!



Don't really care to much for the 2 live stews. Like them better'n O'Reilly, which is the other talk show choice in the ATL. Unbelievably, I think they actually managed to get their show on Sirius satellite radio.

I think DiMino is an ass, but he has forgotten more about baseball than most people will ever know. I really enjoy his interviews with some of the older, perhaps lesser known baseball Hall of Famers.

[JeeberD]

Sounds like the 2 Live Stews.

AIGHT! AIGHT! AIGHT!

Edit - The Stews are from 1 to 4, so what you were hearing was probably the end of their show.

Those the dudes featured in SI a few weeks back?

[Buzzbee]

Not sure, as I don't keep up with SI. However, I can give you some background and perhaps that will answer your question.

The 2 live Stews are Doug Stewart and Ryan Stewart, and yes they are brothers. Oh, and they are also bruthas. Ryan played football at Georgia Tech and played in the NFL with Detroit for a few years until an injury ended his career. I don't think Doug played college ball. They've been somewhat successful and have managed to get their show picked up by Sirius. JonInMiddleGa would have to tell you how successful they've been.

Their show definitely caters to the bruthas, since it is just Ryan and Doug being Ryan and Doug, but does manage to get some crossover (I think) from general sports enthusiasts.

Hope that helps.

If you care, you can listen to them from 1-4 (eastern) at www.790thezone.com (http://www.790thezone.com). While you are at it, you might want to listen from 4-7 to Chris DiMino and Chris Cotter. This is especially true during baseball season if you are a baseball fan, as DiMino is a walking baseball encyclopedia.

[ISiddiqui]

Eh... I generally find 790 to be annoying in general. I stick with 680 The Fan. Far better in my opinion. At the very least, they don't talk about what women they want to bang every 20 minutes when I want to hear sports talk!

[Ben E Lou]

I've gotten to where I try my best to work my schedule to where I'm in the office from 1pm-4pm whenever possible, so I can hear the Two Live Stews. I find them to be, by far, the most entertaining thing on the radio. It definitely has a Saturday-morning-at-the-barbershop feel to it.

It's a black thang. You wouldn't understand. ;)

[Breeze]

Those the dudes featured in SI a few weeks back?



Yes, the Stews were in SI, and I'm sure that is who the thread is about not the big show. DiMino wouldn't bark on a microphone (unless you paid him extra).

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's a black thang. You wouldn't understand. ;)

That's a pretty good assessment of it I think.

Their show audience skews about 75% black(highly unusual for any sportstalk), while the shows on either side of them are less than 1/3rd black. Their total audience is larger than either of those shows though.

From a sales standpoint, it's a two-edged sword. For broad rotators (i.e. spots that aren't tied to a particular daypart, just somewhere like between 6a-7p) it helps drive up both total audience & total cume (aka the number of people who listened to the station at some point), but on a daypart basis, their cume is significantly lower than the other dayparts, especially when you begin to income-qualify the listeners (the higher the income, the more disparate it appears to be).

Their pretty polarizing for listeners, and they create an interesting conundrum of sorts. Stations like to hold audience as long as possible to increase their TSL (Time Spent Listening) and 2LS looks like a turn off for the regular listeners. At the same time, they're providing listeners that don't use the station any other time. The solution? As an old programmer that one is pretty easy -- get 'em to "turn down the attitude" by about two notches, which is about where it was when they first started. Problem there, and I think it might be a big problem at this point, if they turn it down a little, they might just lose the audience they have while failing to gain anybody they've already turned off.

Y'know, looking at this stuff, I'm reminded that I really don't miss the way I used to make my living ;)

[Ben E Lou]

Their show audience skews about 75% black:eek:

Is that an estimate based on the callers (who I'd think are 75% or more black), or from actual market surveys?

[Ben E Lou]

Dola:

They'll never get me to consistently listen up until 1pm, because of Boortz. I'd be curious to know how many black folks in the Atlanta area listen to him. I have a feeling that the percentage is higher than most would guess for conservative/libertarian talk radio.

[JonInMiddleGA]

:eek:

Is that an estimate based on the callers (who I'd think are 75% or more black), or from actual market surveys?

Real numbers (past six months combined). IIRC, because I've taken a cursory look at the subject before, the trend is more pronounced now than ever.

[Ben E Lou]

Real numbers:eek:

[JonInMiddleGA]

Dola:

They'll never get me to consistently listen up until 1pm, because of Boortz. I'd be curious to know how many black folks in the Atlanta area listen to him. I have a feeling that the percentage is higher than most would guess for conservative/libertarian talk radio.

You might be disappointed.

11% of both his average quarter-hour audience & total cume audience is black.

That works out to about 5.7% of P18+/Black who ever listen between 830a-1p, and about 1% of the demo listening at any time during the show.
Interestingly, when you put an income qualifier on that, say
P18+/Black/HHI $50k+, it only bumps it to 6.4% cume., and at $75k+ it jumps to about 8.5%

For comparison, about 20% of all P18+/Other (i.e. White) listen at some point, about 22% of P18+/Other/HHI$75k+ (an income figure that includes nearly half the WP 18+ in Atlanta BTW).

[digamma]

I've gotten to where I try my best to work my schedule to where I'm in the office from 1pm-4pm whenever possible, so I can hear the Two Live Stews. I find them to be, by far, the most entertaining thing on the radio. It definitely has a Saturday-morning-at-the-barbershop feel to it.

It's a black thang. You wouldn't understand. ;)
The few times I've been home and heard them, I've enjoyed them. I've heard them have Wes Durham, who does play by play for Georgia Tech and may be the whitest man who ever lived, on (I think he is a regular one of the days during the week), and man, does that make for entertaining radio.

[Ben E Lou]

The few times I've been home and heard them, I've enjoyed them. I've heard them have Wes Durham, who does play by play for Georgia Tech and may be the whitest man who ever lived, on (I think he is a regular one of the days during the week), and man, does that make for entertaining radio.Man, I definitely wouldn't call Wes the whitest man who ever lived. He's got that white-boy-with-an-attitude thing down pat. He's doing play-by-play for the Falcons as well now, so I'm quite familiar with him.

[digamma]

Man, I definitely wouldn't call Wes the whitest man who ever lived. He's got that white-boy-with-an-attitude thing down pat. He's doing play-by-play for the Falcons as well now, so I'm quite familiar with him.
That was maybe a stretch (or then again, maybe the Falcons have given him a little bit of soul).

[Ben E Lou]

(maybe the Falcons have given him a little bit of soul).Actually that may be the case. At the playoff game that GrantDawg and I attended, I heard Li'l' John, Dre, Snoop, Usher, and Ludicrous, among others, coming from the PA. Just from watching games at other stadiums, the Falcons seem to have the some of the blackest crowds in the league.

Jon: I'm guessing my Boortz-meter is skewed because he lets callers who disagree with him go to the front of the line, so it seems like the callers are 20-30% black. Plus, I figured Boortz was getting more spill-over listeners from The Royal Treatment.

[rkmsuf]

I've gotten to where I try my best to work my schedule to where I'm in the office from 1pm-4pm whenever possible, so I can hear the Two Live Stews. I find them to be, by far, the most entertaining thing on the radio. It definitely has a Saturday-morning-at-the-barbershop feel to it.

It's a black thang. You wouldn't understand. ;)


So black people yell a lot?

[Ben E Lou]

So black people yell a lot?Culturally, you are talking about a FAR more "expressive" one than white culture. A nearly all-black gathering is usually *much* louder than a nearly all-white one.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Culturally, you are talking about a FAR more "expressive" one than white culture. A nearly all-black gathering is usually *much* louder than a nearly all-white one.

Heh, this is a subject that is the source of much laughter with one particular friend of mine. We often use each other as the sounding board for "why do you folks do that" questions, something that began with the planning of a party at my house which left him with a number of questions he'd been dying to ask for years, things about "Why do white folks ...".

{Some of which were "why do white folks" questions I had wondered a few times myself :D}

[rkmsuf]

Culturally, you are talking about a FAR more "expressive" one than white culture. A nearly all-black gathering is usually *much* louder than a nearly all-white one.

Sadly, Soul Man failied to explore this topic so I was unaware.

[Desnudo]

Sadly, Soul Man failied to explore this topic so I was unaware.

He played those Beach Boy records loud.

[ISiddiqui]

I wonder... I know the Two Live Stews are loud and stuff, but there are a few shows on 680 where you have one white guy and one black guy (Rude and Dukes, Fro and El). Is it a case of with two black guys, they feel more comfortable in being all loud and expressive?

[Ben E Lou]

I wonder... I know the Two Live Stews are loud and stuff, but there are a few shows on 680 where you have one white guy and one black guy (Rude and Dukes, Fro and El). Is it a case of with two black guys, they feel more comfortable in being all loud and expressive?I'd say most definitely. Plus, in this case, my guess is that the very idea of the show was to be a very "black" show.

[ISiddiqui]

Btw, I think more people would listen if they didn't do that inane dog barking thing... that always bothers me :D.

[VPI97]

I wonder... I know the Two Live Stews are loud and stuff, but there are a few shows on 680 where you have one white guy and one black guy (Rude and Dukes, Fro and El). Is it a case of with two black guys, they feel more comfortable in being all loud and expressive? Fro and El's Guys Night Out is, by far, my favorite show on Atlanta radio. It's the only one besides Rude and Dukes that I can stand to listen to for the entire show.

[ISiddiqui]

I guess I prefer Rude and Dukes, but Fro and El are good as well. I usually end up listening mostly to Buck and Kincaid, since they are on during the ride home. I think I like them more than most people ;).

Perry and Dooley, on the other hand... ugh.

[VPI97]

I guess I prefer Rude and Dukes, but Fro and El are good as well. I usually end up listening mostly to Buck and Kincaid, since they are on during the ride home. I think I like them more than most people ;).

Perry and Dooley, on the other hand... ugh. I cannot listen to Kincaid for longer than 30 seconds anymore. That used to be my top show, but his attitude just grates and grates and grates until I can't stand to hear his voice.

[KWhit]

Rude and Dukes??!!?!?!?!?!?

Are you f*cking kidding me?

[VPI97]

Rude and Dukes??!!?!?!?!?!?

Are you f*cking kidding me? Consider the alternative.

[ISiddiqui]

I like Rude and Dukes :p.

And yes, look at the alternatives.

[Buzzbee]

I cannot listen to Kincaid for longer than 30 seconds anymore. That used to be my top show, but his attitude just grates and grates and grates until I can't stand to hear his voice.
Ditto. I used to listen primarily to 680 back when Max Howell was there. I enjoyed Buck and Kincaid to a large degree. However, with the departure of Max and the arrival of Bill O'Reily I began to look elsewhere. Now when I flip back, Kincaid's obnoxious, egotistical negativity is like fingernails on a chalkboard. Oh, and Buck has given up even trying to feign that he isn't a UGA homer. Blech!

As for Rude and Dukes. I really like Dukes. REALLY. I just can't STAND Rude. Maybe it's because I listened to him for so long on 96 Rock that his shtick is old, but whenever he starts rambling about anything other than sports, I reach for the dial.

I do like Ellinger, but think Fro is an idiot. I would like to see how Dukes and Ellinger would pair up. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that after about two weeks, Dukes would pound him into the microphone and out my radio.

FWIW, DiMino and Cotter are usually what I listen to on the drive home, and usually catch their "belly up to the bar" segment. Basically they pose about 5-6 questions that are usually relevant to current events that can be answered with a very short answer. An example might be: Instead of Janet Jacksons boob at halftime, who's boob would you rather have seen? Or, if you could eliminate one rule from the NFL rulebook, what would it be? Likewise, if you could add one rule to the NFL rulebook, what would it be?

In the mornings I flip between Boortz, Mayhem, and Rude and Dukes, depending on my mood and what each is talking about.

[ISiddiqui]

Eh, I'm not too fond of Belly Up to the Bar... I'd like to hear some opinions on the sports news of the day. But as long as they aren't talking about what hot woman they want, I guess I can stomach it ;).

[KWhit]

Consider the alternative.
To each his own, but I enjoy 790's morning show. I like Southern Comfort and The Big Show better, but I prefer all of 790's shows to 680.

As my dad would say, "That's why they make Fords and Chevrolets."

[Ben E Lou]

Btw, I think more people would listen if they didn't do that inane dog barking thing... that always bothers me :D.You obviously weren't a Q-Dog.

[Celeval]

I was usually dead on 790 when I was in Atlanta - liked the Stews (but usually only in mid-sized doses... like lunch hour), mostly liked Cotter/Dimino. Baseball season especially.

[Tekneek]

Ditto. I used to listen primarily to 680 back when Max Howell was there.

What happened to Max? Max was a good one, although I missed that return to radio. I listened to him with the original 680 The Fan before it was cut off. I also liked the teaming of Jeff Van Note and Larry Munson (although I've never been a Munson fan - at least they would have meaningful topics, which is better than his "insight on sports" segment if you ever hear that on 750...most of it is spent waxing on about his 'movie group' where he goes to see movies each weekend with college girls in Athens).

[JonInMiddleGA]

What happened to Max? Max was a good one, although I missed that return to radio. I listened to him with the original 680 The Fan before it was cut off. I also liked the teaming of Jeff Van Note and Larry Munson (although I've never been a Munson fan - at least they would have meaningful topics, which is better than his "insight on sports" segment if you ever hear that on 750...most of it is spent waxing on about his 'movie group' where he goes to see movies each weekend with college girls in Athens).

I didn't realize he had left the "Southern Sports Tonight" and "Conference Call" radio shows, but apparently he has ...

http://www.maxhowell.com/about.html
MAX’s Current Radio Resume: Max has moved to the Emerald Coast and has created his own morning drive, sports talk show that is heard on the only 100,000 watt FM sports talk station in America. Early trends indicate huge success. He is still a part-time co host with 680 the Fan in Atlanta, broadcasting from his own studio in Florida. Cox Communications is now televising MAX’d OUT live from 6 AM to 8AM and throughout the Emerald Coast on Channel 6 and/or Channel 2. The show is also broadcast by “Live Streaming on this Website.

[Ben E Lou]

That's a pretty good assessment of it I think.

Their show audience skews about 75% black(highly unusual for any sportstalk), while the shows on either side of them are less than 1/3rd black. Their total audience is larger than either of those shows though.

From a sales standpoint, it's a two-edged sword. For broad rotators (i.e. spots that aren't tied to a particular daypart, just somewhere like between 6a-7p) it helps drive up both total audience & total cume (aka the number of people who listened to the station at some point), but on a daypart basis, their cume is significantly lower than the other dayparts, especially when you begin to income-qualify the listeners (the higher the income, the more disparate it appears to be).

Their pretty polarizing for listeners, and they create an interesting conundrum of sorts. Stations like to hold audience as long as possible to increase their TSL (Time Spent Listening) and 2LS looks like a turn off for the regular listeners. At the same time, they're providing listeners that don't use the station any other time. The solution? As an old programmer that one is pretty easy -- get 'em to "turn down the attitude" by about two notches, which is about where it was when they first started. Problem there, and I think it might be a big problem at this point, if they turn it down a little, they might just lose the audience they have while failing to gain anybody they've already turned off.

Y'know, looking at this stuff, I'm reminded that I really don't miss the way I used to make my living ;)Any update on their audience and success, Jon?

I ask because I believe they're syndicated now, but don't appear to have changed their style much at all.

[wade moore]

Any update on their audience and success, Jon?

I ask because I believe they're syndicated now, but don't appear to have changed their style much at all.

And SD tried to get me to listen yesterday on the stream...

i'll have to do this at some point, but they are on at the same time as my favorite show - Don and Mike syndicated out of DC.

And from what I hear of 2LS in this thread, I don't know if they actual hosts could be more opposite ;).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Any update on their audience and success, Jon?

I ask because I believe they're syndicated now, but don't appear to have changed their style much at all.

I haven't seen any ratings on them in a while (haven't bought any radio in Atlanta in a while now, so I got tired of paying for data we weren't using), but the syndication deal probably hasn't changed them much because it isn't exactly setting the woods on fire.

According to their website, they're now on 19 stations/17 markets (3 affiliates in Little Rock), but from looking at the station list, it's almost certain that they have more listeners in Atlanta than the other 16 markets combined. And I wouldn't be totally surprised if they actually had half again as many here as in the other 16. I've seen Saturday morning gardening shows run out of people's basements with better station lists than they've got at this point.

And it doesn't seem to be getting any better, if anything it's gotten worse since their deal with one of their original syndication partners was, umm, "allowed to expire" (read that as: everybody was happy to see it end). They're now being handled by RadioOne, but so far that has only seen them go backwards, losing at least two of the affiliates that had been in their top five (Pittsburgh & Savannah), and down to 19 from a launch of 30. Losing affiliates on a show that's only a year old (in syndi) ain't a good sign.

I give their syndication another year, two tops (depending on the contractual obligations already in place), before it's nothing more than a faint memory. They simply haven't found an audience outside of Atlanta, and I'm not at all sure if that's their fault, it may simply be an audience that really doesn't exist in any serious national quantity.

[Ben E Lou]

They simply haven't found an audience outside of Atlanta, and I'm not at all sure if that's their fault, it may simply be an audience that really doesn't exist in any serious national quantity.

That pretty much fits with my surprise when I heard they were going syndicated. I would think that MAYBE D.C. might have the potential to have that audience, but I really don't think there's anywhere quite like The Dirty. Unless they really screw up, I'd imagine they could keep a solid foothold in the A-T-L, but that's really about it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I would think that MAYBE D.C. might have the potential to have that audience

You know where I would have thought they could have gotten a foothold?
Memphis.

The demographics are right, there's still considerable strength for AM radio in the market, it's got a reputation for supporting some non-traditional programming, but I'm not sure if they ever even managed to find an affiliate there.

[Ben E Lou]

You know where I would have thought they could have gotten a foothold?
Memphis.

The demographics are right, there's still considerable strength for AM radio in the market, it's got a reputation for supporting some non-traditional programming, but I'm not sure if they ever even managed to find an affiliate there.Heh. That's not a bad thought, either.

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... blast from the past thread! ;)

Though I will say that I really like Rude, Dukes, and Perry (though Dukes is absent a lot, mostly due to NFL Network stuff, I guess). Rude and Dukes just HATE Perry and the feeling is mutual the other way. It makes for very fun stuff.

[ctmason]

I apologize for somewhat jacking this thread, but it occurs to me that having listened to both 680 and 790 for some time now (mostly streaming since I moved) that Sports Radio is a relatively new animal for me.

In Phoenix, KTAR has just initialized a new effort at Sports Talk programming, bringing much of the former KMVP 860 programming over to 620 AM and repackaging the station.

They have dropped Mike & Mike (save for an hour from 4-5 a.m.) and most of the Dan Patrick Show, kept Colin Cowherd and then tried to build mostly local programming at night.

I just wonder how well local morning air time works. I recall Neal Boortz trumpeting his success years and years ago as unusual in AM radio, as morning local shows were so difficult to keep afloat when listeners demanded the more popular national shows.

Jon, anyone, is this true? I only ask because I think the local offerings, particularly the new morning show on KTAR here in Phoenix absolutely sucks compared to Mke and Mike and Dan Patrick. Mostly, their program consists of:

1) The Suns are the best!
2) The Cardinals are not.
3) The Diamondbacks' new uniforms are terrible.
4) The Suns are still the best!
5) The Coyotes still play?

Wash, rinse, repeat.