Star Trek Fans

[bosshogg23]

Link (http://www.saveenterprise.com/cancelled_stcom.htm)

Enterprise was finally cancelled today. I watched it occasionally, didnt think it was a bad show. I never found a reason to watch every week though. Looks like next year will be the first without Star Trek on in something like 18 years.

[Barkeep49]

I think a break would be good. Deep Space 9 was the last time Trek was great.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Wow. Not surprising at all though. I never really watched it. The few times I did, I didn't really care for it all that much. The last Star Trek I enjoyed was the whole Dominion war that went on in DS9. Those were some great eps.

It's kind of a dark time for TV in general. There are a couple of new shows around (e.g., Lost, 24, etc.), but more and more programming is being dedicated to horrible, crass, and pathetic reality TV shows or cookie-cutter series like CSI: Gary, Indiana or Law & Order: Traffic Violations.

Are there any good Sci Fi type shows on these days? No Star Trek. No X-Files (even though that show went in the crapper at the end there). No Whedon. Not good times...

[RendeR]

If you want good Sci-Fi shows, stick with the only station that knows how to handle it, The sci Fi channel

Friday nights from 8pm till 11pm is a blissfull never never land for us space junkies:

8pm: Stargate SG1: took the original movie and turned it into a 6 or 7 year run and its still one fantastic show.

9pm: Stargate Atlantis: a spinoff of the original that has yet to really develop good characters, but shows real promise. lots of things to work on, good fun none the less.

10pm: Battlestar Galactica: If you want the single Best sci fi show thus far, this is your baby. its got darkness, its got suspense, its got intrigue, its got sexual tension, its got hot females and bad ass heroes, its got agnst and its got thrills, oh and the special effects ROCK the WORLD. I cannot give a higher recommendation than I will for this series. GOT TIVO? record it and watch it over again each episode, cause there are tons of little things you miss the first time! GREAT TV!

[samifan24]

I haven't paid much attention to Trek since TNG ended. I watched DS9 and Voyager occasionally, but I personally found TNG to be far superior. I was never into Enterprise, but it's sad to see the latest Trek go. Hopefully Berman, Braga, and Piller will come back strong in a couple of years.

[JeffR]

I think a break would be good. Deep Space 9 was the last time Trek was great.

Really, though, there has been a break - they haven't done much with the "current" end of the Star Trek timeline since DS9 ended. Enterprise is a prequel, and Voyager took place in a bubble, for the most part, given its setting.

A while back, somebody on Fark posted what I thought was a good idea - have the next show in the series work without a permanent cast, just do short story arcs, each a few episodes long, that bring back familiar faces for a short run and/or deal with subjects that are interesting, but aren't really enough to base a whole series around.

[Barkeep49]

A while back, somebody on Fark posted what I thought was a good idea - have the next show in the series work without a permanent cast, just do short story arcs, each a few episodes long, that bring back familiar faces for a short run and/or deal with subjects that are interesting, but aren't really enough to base a whole series around.

I always kind of liked the idea of doing a Starfleet Academy show which could be something similar to what you suggested.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Number one problem with the show: the theme song.

Even ehen I watched the show (1st season) I couldn't stand the theme.

I stopped watching altogether with 10 minutes left in the 2nd season premiere. The season one cliffhanger ending was pretty good. The season opener did an awful job wrapping up the previous season, then when it got to where I knew the "Why we are doing this? Because we are right and good" speech, I had had enough.

[WrongWay]

Hopefully Berman, Braga, and Piller will come back strong in a couple of years.
Are you insane? Have you not seen the latest TNG movies???? And enterprise was even worse than the last 2 movies. It was so funny reading that BS article about how the "tradition was upheld". Enterprise, The last years on voyager. and every TNG movie just got worse and worse.

I think it is time to say goodbye to the entire Star Trek Universe for a couple of years. Let everyone go their seperate ways. Then start fresh with all new talent and all new writer, directors, and everyone else. With Gene dead hopefully they can gut everyone.

THEN.....Bring back Kirk, Spock and the rest of the original characters completly recast and totally rewritten. Maybe the SciFi channel could find a new home for Star-Trek. Yes, just simply Star-Trek.

[Eaglesfan27]

Are you insane? Have you not seen the latest TNG movies???? And enterprise was even worse than the last 2 movies. It was so funny reading that BS article about how the "tradition was upheld". Enterprise, The last years on voyager. and every TNG movie just got worse and worse.

I think it is time to say goodbye to the entire Star Trek Universe for a couple of years. Let everyone go their seperate ways. Then start fresh with all new talent and all new writer, directors, and everyone else. With Gene dead hopefully they can gut everyone.

THEN.....Bring back Kirk, Spock and the rest of the original characters completly recast and totally rewritten. Maybe the SciFi channel could find a new home for Star-Trek. Yes, just simply Star-Trek.
I am a big Star Trek fan (TNG is my favorite) but, I'd rather have no Star Trek of any form than having anyone re-do the original with a different cast.

[samifan24]

Are you insane? Have you not seen the latest TNG movies???? And enterprise was even worse than the last 2 movies. It was so funny reading that BS article about how the "tradition was upheld". Enterprise, The last years on voyager. and every TNG movie just got worse and worse.

I think it is time to say goodbye to the entire Star Trek Universe for a couple of years. Let everyone go their seperate ways. Then start fresh with all new talent and all new writer, directors, and everyone else. With Gene dead hopefully they can gut everyone.

THEN.....Bring back Kirk, Spock and the rest of the original characters completly recast and totally rewritten. Maybe the SciFi channel could find a new home for Star-Trek. Yes, just simply Star-Trek.

Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Brannon Braga were also responsible for 7 excellent, award-winning seasons of TNG, in case you've forgotten. Gutting everyone who brought Star Trek back with TNG would be a terrible mistake. The aforementioned writers/directors have struggled with a single instance film script, but they did very well with TNG and for parts of DS9, so I'm surprised you base your Trek opinion on the admittedly flawed films, which every Trek fan knows is never par for the Trek course.

[WrongWay]

I am a big Star Trek fan (TNG is my favorite) but, I'd rather have no Star Trek of any form than having anyone re-do the original with a different cast.Wouldn't this be like saying "I am not going to root for the Steelers anymore if their QB is not Terry Bradshaw"?


See, I am just the opposite. I still enjoy the books. Actually, right now I rather read a Star Trek book then watch a Star Trek episode. I would like to see the Original characters developed like they did with TNG. And, if you read some of the modern Star Trek books the authors are allowed to have charactor development.

Sorry, when I read these books it is Captain Kirk I am rooting for, not William Shatner.

[RendeR]

In my own, less than humble opinion, letting the actors direct the movies has been the single worst move ever.

Get real directors with real talent to create the proper "Trek" film and you'll have a box offer smash that actually provides a great movie too.

[Kodos]

KHAAAAAAAAN!!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

lifelong ST fan here. And I'm actually not that upset with them cancelling ENT. Basically, Rick Berman has run the franchise into the ground. There is absolutely no creative license left, and he'd rather fuck with the established history and create this whole "temporal cold war arc" then tell stories within it. which is pretty sad, as any true Trek fan knows there are plenty of stories that could have been told. I actually was talking about this a couple weeks ago and I said that I wouldn't be upset if Enterprise got cancelled. Sure I'll watch the last episode, and I might even shed a little tear, but in the long run I think it will be good. Berman needs to pass the torch to someone who knows what to do with the universe (Pillar, Ira Steven Behr, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, etc.) Because the current "brain-trust" has really failed us as Star Trek fans. DS9 was the last great Trek show, and that was co-produced by Pillar and Berman. Berman on his own has brought us Voyager and now Enterprise. Take a look at those two shows...both horrid (IMHO). He's had his chance, the ratings have spoken, fans don't enjoy his Star Trek. He needs to step down.

[Eaglesfan27]

Wouldn't this be like saying "I am not going to root for the Steelers anymore if their QB is not Terry Bradshaw"?


See, I am just the opposite. I still enjoy the books. Actually, right now I rather read a Star Trek book then watch a Star Trek episode. I would like to see the Original characters developed like they did with TNG. And, if you read some of the modern Star Trek books the authors are allowed to have charactor development.

Sorry, when I read these books it is Captain Kirk I am rooting for, not William Shatner.
Books are a very different medium than TV. I don't read those books, but I could see myself enjoying them if I did. I'd be able to view Kirk and Spock however I wanted to view them in my mind. TV doesn't offer that kind of latitude.

I think your analogy to football is flawed. I think a more appropriate analogy would be if I would stop rooting for the Eagles if McNabb tried to play the part of Cunningham. Of course, I wouldn't want McNabb to be like Cunningham. I want him to play his game. Similarly, I won't want the next QB (which will hopefully be many years away) to try to "play the part" of McNabb, I'll want him to develop his own style and help the team win.

I want the next Star Trek show to develop its own identity as well.

[sterlingice]

Pillar's kindof busy. He's off doing The Dead Zone these days which is a nice little show in its own right.

SI

[DaddyTorgo]

true true. and a nice little show that I enjoy watching. However I think that the opportunity, if presented to him, would be accepted. Especially with Dead Zone firmly established, he could take more of a back-seat with it.

[cuervo72]

KHAAAAAAAAN!!!!

I bet that felt good. :)

Something never clicked for me with Enterprise either. From the little I watched it, it seemed like it was totally removed from the rest of the timeline, rather than laying the groundwork for the other series (besides the occasional Klingon, or those sneaky blue guys). I guess it isn't the easiest to provide a backstory (hello, Mister Lucas!)...

Besides that, something about the show always felt just drab to me. As stupid as this sounds, I liked just that there was more color in the first two series. And to some extent Voyager - I never got into DS9 as much, though thinking about it now I'd probably get into the story arc if I gave it more of a chance (that is, if I can get past that damn annoying Ferengi. Of course, Neelix was only marginally better. At least they toned down the "wacky offbeat alien" character in Enterprise...all he did was have sex with everybody. No different than Riker, really...)

The idea of a series that is less dependent on characters is an interesting one. Might be worth exploring.

[Galaril]

Are there anymore movies planned or was that last one it. I thought Capt. Picard was great.

[sabotai]

Pillar's kindof busy. He's off doing The Dead Zone these days which is a nice little show in its own right.

SI

I was looking for a new TV series to rent from Netflix, since I went through the ones I wanted when I originally started, I rented the first disc for season one of the Dead Zone and so far, I've really enjoyed it. I'm done with the 1st season and am probably going to start getting the season 2 discs by the end of the week. So far a pretty good show.

[Kodos]

Are there anymore movies planned or was that last one it. I thought Capt. Picard was great.

I say this every time that a Star Trek thread comes up - THEY NEED TO MAKE A NEXT GENERATION MOVIE THAT FEATURES Q! The series finale was better than any of the movies, even though I did enjoy several of the movies. I even liked the last Star Trek movie. But Q is such a fun character. How can they neglect him. Make a movie with him, for the love of Star Trek nerds everywhere! He said "See you out there." So where the hell is he?

[Bad-example]

I am not surprised Enterprise was euthanized. The writing was so bad it was getting painful to watch, although the episode a couple weeks ago where they were fighting a disease was actually pretty good. I hope they come back with another show in the TNG era. Bring back Ms. Blalock as a human or (drool) one of those green orion slave girls like Batgirl once portrayed.

My idea is to have the remaining living original Trek cast members go into a recording studio and record a shitload of dialogue to be used in future animated Star Trek movies. It would cost very little up front and could potentially be worth big dollars in the future. For the cast members that have already passed on they could take dialogue from the 3 years of original Trek, the short-lived cartoon show and the first 7 movies.

[Ragone]

ds9 was horrible..

But i think we've seen the last of star trek on tv.. unless someone gets the wild idea to do a "Starfleet academy" drama show.. oh wait.. i better not give them any crummy ideas

[ice4277]

I guess I am one of the few people who actually thought Enterprise was a decent show. That being said, I think a few years off the air may help the franchise. Keep Berman et al around but also bring in some fresh faces to help develop something new. The 'temporal cold war' story arc could inspire a series; possibly follow around one or two of the 'time agents', or whatever they were called, to different parts of the timeline. You could flesh out events that were referenced in the old series, provide a new perspective on some things that happened in the older series, and maybe fill in some of the timeline between Kirk and Picard. Just an idea.

[Ragone]

I'd like to see a show based on.. oh i dunno.. the romulan's perhaps..

[Desnudo]

I really enjoyed TNG, but never got into any of the other shows. I wish they could replicate that cast and type of storyline again somehow. What I really liked about it was that the ship wasn't supposed to be doing anything in particular, so there were no rules around what could happen in a particular episode.

[sterlingice]

I was liking what they had done the last season and a half on Enterprise. Even if the Xindi war was a complete ripoff of the Dominion war but not as well done and the little three story arc were hit and miss- there were some decent hits and it was finally consistently above Voyager. Granted, that's not saying much as Voyager was pretty much crap so maybe it still should have been killed. But something seems wrong in that Voyager was allowed 7 years while this only made it 4.

SI

[Franklinnoble]

They should have given George Takei his "Excelcior" series...

[bosshogg23]

Brent Spiner wanted to do an ensemble movie next but the idea was rejected.

Rick Berman also announced that the hiatus will be at least 3 years before another series happens.

[Honolulu_Blue]

ds9 was horrible..

It started off slow, but it really picked up. During the height of the Dominion war, when Worf came on the show, until about the point the old Dax died, DS9 was amazing. Some of the best Trek episodes ever.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Brent Spiner wanted to do an ensemble movie next but the idea was rejected.

Did you ever notice how any episode where Brent Spiner is playing someone besides or in addition to Data, the episode sucks? Spiner is an Over The Top actor. This is why he excels at playing Data, which he does. But whenever he plays some other character (or Data has emotions), he hams it up way too much. And I include Lore in this. I never liked Lore.

[bosshogg23]

Did you ever notice how any episode where Brent Spiner is playing someone besides or in addition to Data, the episode sucks? Spiner is an Over The Top actor. This is why he excels at playing Data, which he does. But whenever he plays some other character (or Data has emotions), he hams it up way too much. And I include Lore in this. I never liked Lore.

I agree that his other characters arent that great. He was OK in Enterprise but not great. I think Johnny Depp is an actor who is way over the top as well, no one else seems to agree though :confused:

I just read that Rick Berman said a new movie IS in development and it will involve all new characters. I guess if the movie did well it would be the jumping off point for a new series.

[samifan24]

I agree that his other characters arent that great. He was OK in Enterprise but not great.

I rarely watched Enterprise, but found this interesting. What character did Spiner play on Enterprise?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I rarely watched Enterprise, but found this interesting. What character did Spiner play on Enterprise?
He played the great great great great great grandfather of Dr. Noonian Soong or something like that...

[bosshogg23]

I rarely watched Enterprise, but found this interesting. What character did Spiner play on Enterprise?

He was only on this season, in a 3 episode "arc". It was entertaining enough but not what I was hoping for. I think the show had its highest ratings this year during that "arc" though.

[sterlingice]

He was only on this season, in a 3 episode "arc". It was entertaining enough but not what I was hoping for. I think the show had its highest ratings this year during that "arc" though.
It would have been a lot more entertaining had the genetically engineered humans not behaved like spoiled angsty teenagers. *sigh*

SI