FM Question

[Flasch186]

By not picking a bunch of countries to start, lets say you only pick 3. What do you miss out on as opposed to having a bunch of countries to start?

The inability to coach a team in the future from one of the countries you dont choose?

[sovereignstar]

Holy shit! You're playing Football Manager?

[Flasch186]

why so shocked?

[sovereignstar]

Granted this is from the EHM manual, but I'm pretty certain the concept is the same. I'm assuming you are talking about league selection when you start a career, no?

Selecting a league as 'Enhanced' means you will be able to interact with that league at any level. All details from this league will be simulated in full. A 'Standard' league will be simulated fully in your save game, however you will not be able to interact with it in the same level of detail as an enhanced league.

Now in EHM you can switch a league you previsously had selected as standard to enhanced - not sure if that's the case with FM. I'd imagine that you would need a league to be enhanced to take a coaching position in it, but I"m not 100% sure. Hopefully someone else that knows better could answer that question.

[DaddyTorgo]

essentially yes. You will also have less detailed results of their league. You won't have the results of all the ManU reserve matches for example (IIRC) and such.

[Marc Vaughan]

If you select a league in any manner in Football Manager then you WILL be able to manage within it when you play, they'll automatically switch in and out of foreground background when you move leagues.

Ie. you select England (foreground), Scotland (background)

If you get a job in Scotland then the two will switch priority:
Ie. England (background), Scotland (foreground)

This is simply to give the best user experience without sucking up processing power.

Hope this helps,

Marc

[ice4277]

Marc,

Other than being able to view game logs, is there any real advantage to running leagues you are not currently managing in in the foreground? I remember on older versions of CM that running leagues in the foreground tended to make for more accurate results.

[BreizhManu]

it is useful for :

- generated players : selected leagues have more regens than other countries -> the more you have the better it will be for international competitions.
- european (or any other continental competition) cups: non selected leagues will always have the same teams representing them.
- you : if you want to try other leagues.

[CraigSca]

it is useful for :

- generated players : selected leagues have more regens than other countries -> the more you have the better it will be for international competitions.
- european (or any other continental competition) cups: non selected leagues will always have the same teams representing them.
- you : if you want to try other leagues.
So...you're saying that the World Cup in 2010 or 2014 will suffer if a particular country is not in the foreground?

Are you saying the international teams stay exactly the same - no change in talent level, no aging of players, etc., for countries played in the background?

[BreizhManu]

I don't meant foreground/background since that means almost nothing in FM, I mean selected leagues.

for leagues selected -> in international play the talent pool will get better therefore the national team will get better.
for unselected leagues -> players will age but the talent pool will get worse and so will the national team.

e.g if you select just england and scotland, it wouldn't surprise me to have england winning the world cup every 4 years against scotland after a few seasons (don't know how many lets say 15).

[BreizhManu]

dola, all that also depends of the kind of database you choose, it will take much more time with a large one.

[Ajaxab]

I don't meant foreground/background since that means almost nothing in FM, I mean selected leagues.

for leagues selected -> in international play the talent pool will get better therefore the national team will get better.
for unselected leagues -> players will age but the talent pool will get worse and so will the national team.

e.g if you select just england and scotland, it wouldn't surprise me to have england winning the world cup every 4 years against scotland after a few seasons (don't know how many lets say 15).

Is this a foreground/background issue or is it also related to the regen issue?

[Marc Vaughan]

I don't meant foreground/background since that means almost nothing in FM, I mean selected leagues.

for leagues selected -> in international play the talent pool will get better therefore the national team will get better.
for unselected leagues -> players will age but the talent pool will get worse and so will the national team.

e.g if you select just england and scotland, it wouldn't surprise me to have england winning the world cup every 4 years against scotland after a few seasons (don't know how many lets say 15).
Inactive leagues in FM2005 are still very competitive and retain a certain number of players within them (the exact amount depends on the country you're managing in, the nations reputation and the database size you have selected).

On top of this the game has the concept of 'virual players' (those 'grey' chaps you see on teams sometimes) - for inactive CPU clubs they are rated comparatively to the team in question, hence you'll see very good virtual players in top teams/nations if they don't have enough real players to be active.

This keeps the game realistic and challenging even if you're playing with a small database setup*.

*Although there is a slight bias towards active leagues still I'm afraid, its getting less each version of the game, but is still there at the moment.

[BreizhManu]

it is a selected leagues/database size/regens issue :

let's say a normal database is 10,000 players (fictionnal number) and that you choose england (+10,000 players) as your only league -> 50% of the regens will be english (since 50% of the database comes from england) and 50% from the rest of the world.

if you choose 16 leagues (let's say average 5000 players) your overall database will be of 10+10+16*5=100,000 players then 10% will come from england, 5% from each other country selected and 10% from the rest of the world.

maybe I'm completely wrong, but from what I saw it works mainly like that.

[Marc Vaughan]

it is a selected leagues/database size/regens issue :

let's say a normal database is 10,000 players (fictionnal number) and that you choose england (+10,000 players) as your only league -> 50% of the regens will be english (since 50% of the database comes from england) and 50% from the rest of the world.

if you choose 16 leagues (let's say average 5000 players) your overall database will be of 10+10+16*5=100,000 players then 10% will come from england, 5% from each other country selected and 10% from the rest of the world.

maybe I'm completely wrong, but from what I saw it works mainly like that.
Yes and no basically ... you're right in that the percentage of active players from the selected league is higher the smaller the db size goes, BUT importantly the game is intelligent about which ones it retains at the smaller sized.

Hence at smallest database size it will retain top players and hot prospect youngsters, plus a few 'ringers' (just so you can't sign any players from inactive leagues and know they're good) ... at larger database levels you get the lower ability players retained also (which is great for modelling the entire game world, but doesn't really affect things if you're playing just in your current league as vast majority of these players won't ever be in a position/of an ability to interact with your club).

[BreizhManu]

Yes and no basically ... you're right in that the percentage of active players from the selected league is higher the smaller the db size goes, BUT importantly the game is intelligent about which ones it retains at the smaller sized.

Hence at smallest database size it will retain top players and hot prospect youngsters, plus a few 'ringers' (just so you can't sign any players from inactive leagues and know they're good) ... at larger database levels you get the lower ability players retained also (which is great for modelling the entire game world, but doesn't really affect things if you're playing just in your current league as vast majority of these players won't ever be in a position/of an ability to interact with your club).
Now I understand why players from tiny nations (tahiti, samoa etc...) generated by the game in a normal database are better than average most of the times (yet sometimes they suck).

[Desnudo]

By not picking a bunch of countries to start, lets say you only pick 3. What do you miss out on as opposed to having a bunch of countries to start?

The inability to coach a team in the future from one of the countries you dont choose?

That is the main thing you would miss out on, yes.

[ice4277]

Sorry, I guess I worded my earlier question poorly. What I meant was, are there any real differences between running a league in background, and running it in foreground. I seem to recall that in past versions of CM, leagues running in background mode tended to end up with some screwy results and form ratings.

[BreizhManu]

Sorry, I guess I worded my earlier question poorly. What I meant was, are there any real differences between running a league in background, and running it in foreground.
no