Hold'em: It hurts

[chinaski]

So I sit down at a $25/50 table.....

1st hand dealt to me: AcAd (my stomach sinks)

We get a couple calls, and then a raise from seat 6. Ive been watching the table and I can pretty well tell seat 6 is playing tight. I put him on KK. I reraise to 75. The other 2 in the hand fold, and he calls it.

Flop comes 2d, 7s, 9s

He bets, I raise, we cap it....

4th street: 3s

We cap it again and the thought of big slick spades at seat 6 is starting poke at my brain.

5th st: As

This As is no welcome site, because I have no spade. He bets, I call.

We turn em...
seat 6: KsKc
me: my now lowly AAA's

Flush to seat 6. god i hate poker.

[primelord]

If you actually put your opponent on exactly KK then you are not giving your opponent credit for nearly enough hands. The fact that he didn't cap pre-flop suggests he doesn't have KK (even though he did). Even if he is playing very tight there is no way a preflop raise only means KK.

[chinaski]

If you actually put your opponent on exactly KK then you are not giving your opponent credit for nearly enough hands. The fact that he didn't cap pre-flop suggests he doesn't have KK (even though he did). Even if he is playing very tight there is no way a preflop raise only means KK.
Youre for sure correct. In my head, I put him on KK or a possible big slick just because it would be the 2nd/3rd strongest hands vs my pocket A's.

Im still reeling from this, anyone have pointers on how too not let this effect my interactions with my friends, especially my girlfriend, because ive been snappy as hell since this happened... http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

[cartman]

Youre for sure correct. In my head, I put him on KK or a possible big slick just because it would be the 2nd/3rd strongest hands vs my pocket A's.

Im still reeling from this, anyone have pointers on how too not let this effect my interactions with my friends, especially my girlfriend, because ive been snappy as hell since this happened... http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

Watch last night's episode of Tilt, and realize you at least didn't end up on the receiving end of a first class ass whoopin' as well... :D

[Joe]

Youre for sure correct. In my head, I put him on KK or a possible big slick just because it would be the 2nd/3rd strongest hands vs my pocket A's.

Im still reeling from this, anyone have pointers on how too not let this effect my interactions with my friends, especially my girlfriend, because ive been snappy as hell since this happened... http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

i'd say play lower stakes games if you can't handle the swings.

[chinaski]

i'd say play lower stakes games if you can't handle the swings.
I normally dont play that high of stakes, im usually a 3/6, 5/10, 10/20 range player, but I won $650 in a 400 person tourney earlier in the day and was feeling pretty spry.

Im up $250 from about 45 minutes on a 3/6 table right now on partypoker, so im starting to chill out some :)

[BrianD]

If you actually put your opponent on exactly KK then you are not giving your opponent credit for nearly enough hands. The fact that he didn't cap pre-flop suggests he doesn't have KK (even though he did). Even if he is playing very tight there is no way a preflop raise only means KK.

I'm curious, what would you have put the opponent at in this situation?

[sportsfan13]

that makes me sick. Almost the same thing happened to me the other day. I have pocket Aces, re-raise to all in, and some chump catches what he needs on the turn and river to pull a straight. I ended up getting trip Aces, but not enough to win obviously!! The thing is, this guy caught the straight A-5. Who stays in with 2-5 off suit?!?!?! there are some crazy players....

[Lathum]

that makes me sick. Almost the same thing happened to me the other day. I have pocket Aces, re-raise to all in, and some chump catches what he needs on the turn and river to pull a straight. I ended up getting trip Aces, but not enough to win obviously!! The thing is, this guy caught the straight A-5. Who stays in with 2-5 off suit?!?!?! there are some crazy players....
what level were you playing at?

[sportsfan13]

what level were you playing at?

$10/$20 on Pokerstars....

[primelord]

I'm curious, what would you have put the opponent at in this situation?
What would I have put him on preflop? Or what would I have put him on as the hand progressed?

Even against a tight player seat 6 raising two limpers can be a large range of hands (AA-99, AK-ATs, KQs, AK-AQo). Most players will cap AA-QQ preflop. So the fact that he doesn't cap preflop would have lead me to believe he was holding one of the other hands I mentioned. Any of the A hands are a less likely since hero is holding two of them so his most likely holding would be JJ, TT, 99, KQs.

Once he doesn't slow down on the flop or turn I may start thinking he has KK-JJ, but probably more likely 99 or something with two spades (AKs, KQs).

[primelord]

that makes me sick. Almost the same thing happened to me the other day. I have pocket Aces, re-raise to all in, and some chump catches what he needs on the turn and river to pull a straight. I ended up getting trip Aces, but not enough to win obviously!! The thing is, this guy caught the straight A-5. Who stays in with 2-5 off suit?!?!?! there are some crazy players....
This shouldn't make you sick. Certainly it sucks to lose the hand, but everytime you have AA and your opponent has 25 you want him to be all-in with you. You should be praying he calls an all-in with 25. If he draws out so be it, but what happened preflop is exactly what you wanted.

[BrianD]

What would I have put him on preflop? Or what would I have put him on as the hand progressed?

Even against a tight player seat 6 raising two limpers can be a large range of hands (AA-99, AK-ATs, KQs, AK-AQo). Most players will cap AA-QQ preflop. So the fact that he doesn't cap preflop would have lead me to believe he was holding one of the other hands I mentioned. Any of the A hands are a less likely since hero is holding two of them so his most likely holding would be JJ, TT, 99, KQs.

Once he doesn't slow down on the flop or turn I may start thinking he has KK-JJ, but probably more likely 99 or something with two spades (AKs, KQs).

Thanks. I've been slowly getting into the world of Hold 'em and I enjoy any bits of extra analysis I can find.

[Arles]

It's a marathon not a sprint. I wish there were more players out there going all-in with 2-5 offsuit. And if any of you see some, please send me a PM ;)

[GoldenEagle]

This is my fish story of the day...

I am brandilee44, playing under my girlfriends name....

***** Hand History for Game 1610258674 *****
$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Friday, February 18, 15:38:54 EDT 2005
Table Cool Cate (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: dumbhand ( $33.5 )
Seat 2: Ross36DD ( $28.75 )
Seat 3: Cardfather_ ( $25.75 )
Seat 8: Mikeksu ( $16.5 )
Seat 10: dan42518 ( $30.75 )
Seat 6: brandilee44 ( $24.75 )
Seat 5: J1668 ( $21.75 )
Seat 9: Melissa72 ( $20.25 )
Seat 7: StinkyDelux ( $24 )
Seat 4: leweypete ( $24 )
leweypete posts small blind [$0.25].
J1668 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to brandilee44 [ Ad Jd ]
brandilee44 raises [$1].
StinkyDelux folds.
Mikeksu calls [$1].
Melissa72 folds.
dan42518 folds.
dumbhand folds.
Ross36DD folds.
Cardfather_ folds.
leweypete calls [$0.75].
J1668 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 6h, Jh ]
leweypete bets [$0.5].
brandilee44 raises [$1].
Mikeksu raises [$1.5].
leweypete folds.
brandilee44 raises [$1].
Mikeksu calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
brandilee44 bets [$1].
Mikeksu raises [$2].
brandilee44 raises [$2].
Mikeksu calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ Ks ]
brandilee44 bets [$1].
Mikeksu raises [$2].
brandilee44 raises [$2].
Mikeksu calls [$1].
brandilee44 shows [ Ad, Jd ] two pairs, aces and jacks.
Mikeksu shows [ Tc, Qh ] a straight, ten to ace.
Mikeksu wins $19 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.

[INDalltheway]

Is this with the A being the low and high card? I play casually, but my friends don't play this way. Also "TT"?

[INDalltheway]

I'm dumb. Tens, duh..

[primelord]

Is this with the A being the low and high card? I play casually, but my friends don't play this way. Also "TT"?
Yes, the Ace can be low or high in Hold 'Em.

[Craptacular]

I just play hold-em with some friends once a week for a $5 buy-in, but this last week took the cake. A player (we'll call him Rob) was down to his last 50 cents or so, and went all-in after the flop. I and another player called him, and I don't remember the exact hands, but he beat us both on the river (I would have lost to the other player anyway). Well, it ends up that Rob and I are the last two left in the game, and I have a dominant stack. I get him all-in after a flop, turn over a much better hand (again, don't remember what), and he beats me on the river to double up. I'm still up on him though. Two hands later, I put him all-in before the flop (my Kd-Qd to his 10-9, probably suited, but don't remember). We get nothing on the flop or turn, but he gets a 9 on the river. Now he has a big lead. Next hand, I get a pair of 9's, and go all-in pre-flop again. He calls with a 8-10 offsuit (he probably thought I was just pissed off and was going all-in no matter what ... although that's still a horrible call). The flop was a 2-4-5 rainbow. The turn's a 6, and as you can probably guess, I flip over a 7 on the river. Game, set, match. Bah!

[INDalltheway]

I have had a great week of poker with my friends. I have played 4 times since last Saturday, winning all 4 times. I have made a profit of $117. Not bad for a high schooler with no job.

I have had some pretty sweet finishes lately too. Last Thursday taking the cake. I was playing one of the best players heads up for $35. He had 3x as many chips as I did. I went all in pre-flop with JQ suited. I pick up a pair and win. This helping me out a bunch. Two hands later I have Kd 3d. The flop comes up with another K. I bet some, he called. The turn, another K. I bet more, and he calls again. On the river I pick up my 3, giving me a full house. I go all in, and he calls. It turns out the other player had a K, so he had trips, but my boat kicked his ass. It was crazy as hell, because the last thing I ever thought he would have was the last K.

Wish me luck tonight, as I try to make it 5 in a row.

[Subby]

Here is a valuable lesson from all of these hands.

No one cares about your bad beat stories...

:D