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02-20-2005, 08:21 PM
Egyptian Doctors Remove Baby's Second Head

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/egypt_baby_dc

By Amil Khan

BENHA, Egypt (Reuters) - Egyptian doctors said they removed a second head from a 10-month-old girl suffering from one of the rarest birth defects in an operation Saturday.

<img src="http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20050219/mdf865759.jpg" align="right" hspace="10" vspace="10" border="1" bordercolor="1">Abla el-Alfy, a consultant in paediatric intensive care, told Reuters at the hospital in Benha, near Cairo, that Manar Maged was in a serious but improving condition after the procedure to treat her for craniopagus parasiticus -- a problem related to that of conjoined twins linked at the skull.

"We are still working on the baby. After surgery ... you get unstable blood pressure, you get fever. But she is stabilizing," Alfy said. "We have some improvement."

As in the case of a girl who died after similar surgery in the Dominican Republic a year ago, the second twin had developed no body. The head that was removed from Manar had been capable of smiling and blinking but not independent life, doctors said.

Video footage provided by the hospital, a national center in Egypt for children's medicine, showed Manar smiling and at ease in a cot with the dark-haired "parasitic" twin, attached at the upper left side of the girl's skull, occasionally blinking.

After the 13-hour operation, Reuters journalists saw the baby, her head swathed in bandages and body wreathed by tubes, in an intensive care ward. A separate twin sister, Noora, is healthy after initial problems with the birth on March 30.

Alfy said the 13-strong surgical team separated Manar's brain from the conjoined organ in small stages, cutting off the blood supply to the extra head while preventing increased blood flow to Manar's heart, which would have risked cardiac arrest.

Benha, 40 km (25 miles) north of Cairo, was chosen for its equipment and proximity to the girl's family. "The family of the child are from near here, we have the equipment, we assembled a team, so why not have the operation here?" she said, explaining the choice not to work in Cairo or at centers abroad with more experience with conjoined twins.

MONTHS OF PREPARATION

Alfy said Manar's skull had been reconstructed during surgery and her skin had been joined over the bone, leaving no need for further reconstructive surgery.

The doctors decided not to carry out Manar's operation soon after her birth: "We studied the babies well," Alfy said. "We had to study how the blood supply of the parasite is working."

She plans to keep Manar in intensive care for up to 10 days and remains cautious: "Things are getting better but ... at any time things can go wrong."

The condition occurs when an embryo begins to split into identical twins but fails to complete the process and one of the conjoined twins fails to develop fully in the womb.

The second twin can form as an extra limb, a complete second body lacking vital organs, or, in very rare cases, a head.

Last February, seven-week-old Rebeca Martinez died in the Dominican Republic after surgery to remove a second head.

The leader of that team, Jorge Lazareff of the University of California at Los Angeles, noted on viewing one picture of the Egyptian baby that the face of the undeveloped twin was "very well developed" compared to that in Rebeca's case.

"Rebeca ... had a more vertical sibling, whereas (in) this the second growth is tangential," he told Reuters, while noting he had not previously been aware of the Egyptian child.

Fonzie
02-20-2005, 08:25 PM
Oh my.

KWhit
02-20-2005, 08:27 PM
I really didn't need to see that.

Airhog
02-20-2005, 08:44 PM
"the blood supply of the parasite is working."

I found it disturbing that they called the second head a parasite. They said the second head wasnt capable of surviving on its own, but it could smile and blink? Doesnt that mean it can probably think?

SackAttack
02-20-2005, 09:05 PM
blinking is largely a reflex action, and not necessarily indicative of cogitative ability.

smiling, on the other hand...I dunno.

MikeVic
02-20-2005, 11:19 PM
I wish there was a warning. :( That's pretty freaky.

NoMyths
02-20-2005, 11:22 PM
Makes one wonder where the anti-abortion crowd stands on the issue of this surgery.

sovereignstar
02-20-2005, 11:22 PM
Shit.. I removed a baby's second head just last Thursday.

Suicane75
02-20-2005, 11:27 PM
Makes one wonder where the anti-abortion crowd stands on the issue of this surgery.

Not really it doesn't.

NoMyths
02-20-2005, 11:29 PM
Not really it doesn't.Guess it depends on the "one," now, doesn't it?

For my money, it's in the fringe situations that occur where some of the real belief-testing occurs. Which can make for interesting discourse. Not that it will necessarily be interesting.

Suicane75
02-20-2005, 11:30 PM
Guess it depends on the "one," now, doesn't it?

For my money, it's in the fringe situations that occur where some of the real belief-testing occurs. Which can make for interesting discourse. Not that it will necessarily be interesting.

It can only end badly, like that 2nd head.

cthomer5000
02-20-2005, 11:30 PM
"the blood supply of the parasite is working."

I found it disturbing that they called the second head a parasite. They said the second head wasnt capable of surviving on its own, but it could smile and blink? Doesnt that mean it can probably think?
regardless, i'm sure it didn't have the needed internal organs to survive on it's own. So do we remove head #2, or let the head and fully functional child die together?

MrBug708
02-20-2005, 11:30 PM
Not really it doesn't.

I agree

NoMyths
02-20-2005, 11:31 PM
It can only end badly, like that 2nd head.Now that is funny. Dark, but funny. :)

cthomer5000
02-20-2005, 11:33 PM
Not really it doesn't.
Do you speak for all of us?

Suicane75
02-20-2005, 11:38 PM
Do you speak for all of us?

Did it read like thats what I was doing?

sovereignstar
02-20-2005, 11:42 PM
I want to see you guys duke it out Daniel LaRusso style.

korme
02-21-2005, 12:51 AM
i saw pics of the other baby back in feb, and that one was more disgusting, though this one with the half body is weird looking as well. that's fucked up about the fully developed twin face that blinks and smiles.. blah!

Airhog
02-21-2005, 06:56 AM
regardless, i'm sure it didn't have the needed internal organs to survive on it's own. So do we remove head #2, or let the head and fully functional child die together?


Dont get me wrong, im not arguing that they should have left the head attached. I just dont like how they call it a parasite, as if that makes it any easier to kill. They basically make this head to be something less than human, even if it is an abbhoration. Just plain wrong if ya ask me.

cthomer5000
02-21-2005, 07:33 AM
Dont get me wrong, im not arguing that they should have left the head attached. I just dont like how they call it a parasite, as if that makes it any easier to kill. They basically make this head to be something less than human, even if it is an abbhoration. Just plain wrong if ya ask me.
Well, technically it is a parasite, which is why they're calling it such. It's not like conjoined twins, who are both capable of independent life. In this case the second non-functional human is simply living off of the working one.

It might look like a kid, but i imagine it's not much more than tissue. That may sound harsh, but I'm a realist. It might look like a child, but it's not.

hhiipp
02-21-2005, 08:37 AM
Did anyone else think of the conjoined fetus lady off SouthPark when they saw this picture?

Lathum
02-21-2005, 09:18 AM
Not the way I wanted to start my monday morning.

JeeberD
02-21-2005, 09:29 AM
Oh my dear...

Dutch
02-21-2005, 09:55 AM
When did FOFC turn into a tabloid? :)

oliegirl
02-21-2005, 03:29 PM
Makes one wonder where the anti-abortion crowd stands on the issue of this surgery.

Not to me it doesn't...

This is not a case of abortion, it's more of a euthanasia of sorts...if the woman had been told during her pregnancy that the second child had partially formed and then because of that information decided to end the pregnancy...that would be cause for debate. But she delivered "both" children and then made the decision to separate.

As for whether the head was a living thing or not...I think that would depend on the amount of brain function, which I am sure they tested. Even if it was able to think on it's own, as a pro-lifer I still wouldn't have a problem with the separation and death of the head.