Survivor: Palau

[korme]

Surprised there isn't a thread on this yet.

I'm rooting for Ulong, initially because a WSU student is on that team, but well, Kim sucks and she doesn't deserve to make it much longer. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[hhiipp]

There was a thread after the first episode, this last episode was basically so uneventful that it didn't even warrant it's own thread. :)

I did like the reward challenge though, a few of those people reminded me of watching that "DONT GET ELIMINATED!!!" show on Spike.

[Barkeep49]

After reading about the first epsidoe I decided to give this one a shot (Watched first 2.5 seasons and all star) and found it rather boring. Felt like both challenges went on FOREVER. I'll give it one or two more episodes before giving up on it.

[jbmagic]

Surprised there isn't a thread on this yet.

I'm rooting for Ulong, initially because a WSU student is on that team, but well, Kim sucks and she doesn't deserve to make it much longer. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?t=35864&highlight=Survivor

[Suicane75]

Call me nuts, but Angie is damn sexy, i'd easily take her over any of the other girls this season.

[Joe]

Call me nuts, but Angie is damn sexy, i'd easily take her over any of the other girls this season.

just so you can braid her armpit hair, right?

[Suicane75]

just so you can braid her armpit hair, right?

Ya know, I saw it, and it didn't faze me in the slightest. I dunno, I like her belly.

[korme]

im puking

[Suicane75]

im puking

Shes cute, shes spunky, shes the chick ya just wanna hold and tell her everything is gonna be cool. She reminds me of Sov. And I like her belly.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Call me nuts, but Angie is damn sexy, i'd easily take her over any of the other girls this season.

goes off in search of Survivor website & cast bios
looks for this "Angie"

You're nuts.

[Suicane75]

goes off in search of Survivor website & cast bios
looks for this "Angie"

You're nuts.

Nah dude, you gotta watch the show, shes a super girl. And I like her belly.

[Mota]

Of all the girls in this Survivor to wear the string bikini, it has to be Angie. (shudders)

[Suicane75]

Stop hatin on my girl. :(

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nah dude, you gotta watch the show, shes a super girl. And I like her belly.

No dude, she looks like she's the kinda girl you have to keep away from the livestock so that she doesn't disembowel them with a dull knitting needle in order to devour their spleen.

[LloydLungs]

Nah dude, you gotta watch the show, shes a super girl. And I like her belly.

Suicane's right. While I can acknowledge that from a purely physical standpoint, Angie doesn't measure up to any of the other younger women on the cast, she is the one I would want to date. Smart girl, unique and fun personality. Flawed body, but you know kids, most women have flawed bodies. It's okay.

But, I agree that the pit hair would not be amongst my favorite qualities. Let's just assume she doesn't have that in real life.

[Suicane75]

Suicane's right. While I can acknowledge that from a purely physical standpoint, Angie doesn't measure up to any of the other younger women on the cast, she is the one I would want to date. Smart girl, unique and fun personality. Flawed body, but you know kids, most women have flawed bodies. It's okay.

But, I agree that the pit hair would not be amongst my favorite qualities. Let's just assume she doesn't have that in real life.

Yeah man, and besides, 30 seconds it's gone, it's not like shes a sasquatch or something.

[Barkeep49]

Let's just assume she doesn't have that in real life.

I would not assume that at all. Nothing wrong with a couple of artistic tatoos but for a woman with that many I would assume that armpit hair is a way of life.

[EagleFan]

Angie? Seriously? I find her not only physically repulsive but annoying as hell. If I hear her whining about how she doesn't have a chance and the world is against her blah blah blah, I'm going to change the channel (unless they cut to one of the hot chicks immediately ;) )

I'm also for the smart team. I love it when the teams end up turning into the more physically gifted and the more mentally gifted. I love how that one guy thought that he could pull the trunk underwater better by attempting to stand on the ocean floor and repeatedly tug at the rope instead of using leverage. You also would have thought that they could have figured out to use the smarter team's idea of sending multiple people down to always keep the thing moving instead of the one at a time and then look at each other like idiots to see who is going next strategy that they came up with.

This could be really entertaining, until they start using purely physical challenges for immunity challenges to attempt to even it out a little.

[EagleFan]

But, I agree that the pit hair would not be amongst my favorite qualities. Let's just assume she doesn't have that in real life.

They've been there three days. I think it's safe to assume that she has it in real life. Unless it grows that quickly on her, which is scary.

[LloydLungs]

If I hear her whining about how she doesn't have a chance and the world is against her blah blah blah

Eh, I really don't think she whined that much. If she had kept that crap going for more than one episode, I'd agree. She got picked last, got her feelings hurt, moped about it for a bit -- but then pulled herself together and won some respect via kicking ass in the challenge. Episode two, all toughness, no whine.

[Glengoyne]

Yeah man, and besides, 30 seconds it's gone, it's not like shes a sasquatch or something.
So your now not only claiming that you'd hit it, but that you'd be done inside 30 seconds?

That is no way to keep them coming back for more you know.

[Suicane75]

So your now not only claiming that you'd hit it, but that you'd be done inside 30 seconds?

That is no way to keep them coming back for more you know.


No, i meant, shave it in 30 seconds. I'd go at least 2 or 3 minutes.

[AgustusM]

Survivor has jumped the shark for me, I now kind of half watch it as I do something else and it must be because I am old, but I would not touch Angie unless I was looking at some serious financial compensation.

[sabotai]

I should be watching this (I saw the first episode), but I can't ever remember to watch it. My ex knows someone that's on it. Willard served with her dad in Vietnam. She said it's weird seeing him like that because normally he has long hair with no facial hair and it's the opposite on the show.

And Angie is a damn dog. From what I saw on the first show, I agree with EagleFan. Repulsive and annoying. She tries way too hard to be the "oddball". She seemed like she was determined to not fit in with everyone from the start.

[wade moore]

Still love survivor and so far I'm pretty happy with this one... none of them are ever that great through the first 3 or 4 episodes, you have to get to know them and let conflict build before they really get good...

[TazFTW]

"Them homosexuals are strong. Always see them at the gym."

Hilarious.

[hhiipp]

Have a feeling on the next show they're going to have some sort of team repicks because the one team is just so short on players.

If the other team finally loses I think Caryn or Willard will go.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

James is making me laugh out loud so many times. When he said "Coby has a lot of ass behind him" knowing that Coby is gay made me raff out roud. :)

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Have a feeling on the next show they're going to have some sort of team repicks because the one team is just so short on players.

If the other team finally loses I think Caryn or Willard will go.

From looking at the scenes from the next episode, I have a sneaking suspicion they're bringing back some people that were kicked off or voted out. If it's the singing lady, I'll shit my pants in laughter.

[Lathum]

From looking at the scenes from the next episode, I have a sneaking suspicion they're bringing back some people that were kicked off or voted out. If it's the singing lady, I'll shit my pants in laughter.
I predicted this after the first show that they will bring those people back at some point. I think last nights episode was one of the best ever. The immunty challenge was awesome. I don't know how Ibraham lost and James comment were classic.

That guy is never going to live down losing twice to a gay guy. He'll be 65 years old watching NASCAR and drinking Busch light with his friends and they will still be killing him about it.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Carrollton, GA, Lathum?

[Cap Ologist]

I think he moved to Carrollton, TX.

[rkmsuf]

Can they kick off the hairy tatto lady please. It's hard to consume anything when she is on.

[Swaggs]

That girl that got kicked off sure came across as a total bitch.

[KevinNU7]

That girl that got kicked off sure came across as a total bitch.
I through the "c-word" out there after her kickoff speech and for the first time in my life my fiance said, "Yep" instead of whacking me.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

That girl that got kicked off sure came across as a total bitch.

She was pretty good looking though. Looked like she'd be a good candidate for a good grudge _____.

[Raiders Army]

Can they kick off the hairy tatto lady please. It's hard to consume anything when she is on.
Note that in almost every scene she's in, her boobs are blurred. I said to my wife last night, "If I were one of those dudes, I'd give her my shirt to cover up those fugly boobies."

[wade moore]

My TiVO cut off the speach unfortunately....

but she was worthless... even after she knew everyone realized she was a waste, she was still a waste...

[hhiipp]

I thought tribal council was funny when Jeff was asking them if they feel everyone is doing work, and she's said, "Well we go sit on the boat" thinking that was of some real assistance. The chick hadn't done anything from what we saw, unless it was edited out, if you're on the losing team every time you'd better at least make an effort so that you're not prime for the picking.

Another funny Kim moment was at the immunity challenge when she went at the chick and let out the grunt, and then just kinda let herself be pushed off the side, like the grunt had taken a lot out of her.

[rkmsuf]

What exactly is Williard doing out there?

[hhiipp]

I wish they would do a celebrity Survivor with athletes, musicians, actors, etc. That would be pretty sweet.
They do, it's called the Surreal life and noone gets voted off. :)

[Swaggs]

I wish they would do a celebrity Survivor with athletes, musicians, actors, etc. That would be pretty sweet.

[hhiipp]

What exactly is Williard doing out there?
He'll probably be gone the first or second time that tribe goes to council.. he's just getting pulled along now because his team doesn't lose immunity.

[Joe]

What exactly is Williard doing out there?

He's the brains of the operation.

[rkmsuf]

He's the brains of the operation.

Clearly.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

What exactly is Williard doing out there?


Has he participated in even one challenge the whole time. He must be one of the most non-descript castaways ever. I've heard him speak once.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Did anyone notice how easily Caryn was knocked off the perch? A gust of wind might have done the trick.

[rkmsuf]

Has he participated in even one challenge the whole time. He must be one of the most non-descript castaways ever. I've heard him speak once.

He's a gamer. If they have a knitting challenge, he's your man.

[Swaggs]

I hadn't even noticed the cute blonde girl and the guy with dark curly hair on the winning team until last night. I guess they looked similar to Kim and Bobby Jon on the other team and hadn't had any airtime, so they never stood out to me.

[Suicane75]

Can they kick off the hairy tatto lady please. It's hard to consume anything when she is on.


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I like her belly.

[Swaggs]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I like her belly.

You just like her Dumb and Dumber bangs.

[rkmsuf]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I like her belly.

Somebody, anybody, make her some pants.

[Suicane75]

She's pretty. You're gettin me in a huff.

[TazFTW]

He'll probably be gone the first or second time that tribe goes to council.. he's just getting pulled along now because his team doesn't lose immunity.
Yeah, but with the way things are going that won't be until the merge. I would think Tom would be the first to go after the merge as he has just dominated in almost all the challenges.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Bump

[Joe]

survivor is on tonight instead of thursday this week. hopefully angie gets the boot.

[Kodos]

I'll join the people who like Angie, although I'm not attracted to her. She seems spunky and has done well in challenges. The blond was hot but worthless. Glad they booted her.

[General Mike]

I hope Stephanie wins.

[sachmo71]

I think he moved to Carrollton, TX.

Only cool people live in Carrollton, Texas!

[FrogMan]

I hope Stephanie wins.
I hope so too, she's got a drive I've rarely seen in the series, but I'd think she'll get voted off pretty quick after the merge, whenever the merge happens. She's too much of a physical threat, even to many of the men on these two tribes...

FM

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

I hope so too, she's got a drive I've rarely seen in the series, but I'd think she'll get voted off pretty quick after the merge, whenever the merge happens. She's too much of a physical threat, even to many of the men on these two tribes...

FM

She'd kick most of the guys asses on there, James, Ian, Ibrahem, Coby. All of them. Agreed on her 'drive'. She is balls to the wall.

[Lathum]

Only cool people live in Carrollton, Texas!
UMM, I'm really confused...

[sachmo71]

UMM, I'm really confused...

Why? Aren't you cool?

[Lathum]

Why? Aren't you cool?
I guess I must be. I didn't realize there were so many of us here from Carrollton. We should get a live poker game going...

[TazFTW]

That reward ruled. Go Ibraham immunity screwing Ulong's voting!

Angie can now go back to being fully clothed.

[Suicane75]

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[EagleFan]

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[Suicane75]

No Angie makes Suicane a sad panda.

[EagleFan]

dola: That was great. Giving immunity to the guy who was obviously gone made the losing team really have to rethink things. Glad that they realized that Angie was the one that needed to go.

Glad to see Willard go as well. He was not pulling his weight and was slowing that team down.

That one team could be almost extinct by the time the merge comes around. It's 8-4 right now but could be 9-4 if that was an immunity challenge today (I wonder how they would have worked out the no member can sit out back to back challenges rule if that had been the case). If they merge at 10, it could have been possible to be 9-1 going into the merge. I wonder what the provisions would have been for a 2 person tribal counsil in that case (the final one before the merge).

I think this has to easily go down as the worst tribe in Survivor history at this point.

[Suicane75]

Stephanie is DOA without a merge, if they go back to tribal council she's gone.

[FBPro]

I hope Stephanie wins.
Yep, same here....she's tough and not too bad on the eyes as well.

[kingfc22]

I hope Stephanie wins.
Yea. She has an awesome competitive drive that I just LOVE!!! She's also hot which isn't bad.http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[General Mike]

James is so worthless, I'm glad he got voted off. Go home worthless.

[Raiders Army]

Well, I hope that Steph didn't screw herself tonight by voting for Ibreheim first. IMHO, either Tom, Ian, or she needs to win.

[gstelmack]

Well, I hope that Steph didn't screw herself tonight by voting for Ibreheim first. IMHO, either Tom, Ian, or she needs to win.
She can spin it by saying "I had to set up the tie first to make James think I was backed into a corner, and that allowed me to change the vote to what I committed to". Now we'll just see if she does spin, or if she just shot herself in the foot with Bobby Jon.

[Swaggs]

She looked hot with her hair down.

[LloydLungs]

She can spin it by saying "I had to set up the tie first to make James think I was backed into a corner, and that allowed me to change the vote to what I committed to". Now we'll just see if she does spin, or if she just shot herself in the foot with Bobby Jon.

But who cares what James thinks? He's not going to be a juror. Seems to me it was just bizarre and not-very-bright voting strategy. Steph is one of the greatest female competitors ever on Survivor, but she does not appear to be the greatest strategist.

Ulong needs to find some way to send Koror to another tribal council before the merge to make Koror's voting alliances get exposed a little more. If that happens maybe Steph can make some political hay out of that (even though Janu appears to be dying and might be an easy unanimous mercy boot). Otherwise, Koror has no reason not to pick off remaining Ulongs before turning on themselves, and Steph/Bobby Jon/Ibrehem have no chance.

Also, anybody amused at how much Probst is verbally mauling Ulong every episode? Really, Ulong's pathetic but I don't think it's been bad strategy that's done them in -- they just can't get it done in challenges for whatever reason, even though they look okay on paper. They've done things by the book voting-wise. The only non-quitting strong person they voted out was Jolanda. Otherwise they've been dutifully removing the weaker tribe members (although James lasted one week longer than he should have). There've been several worse tribes than Ulong, from a strategy standpoint, in Survivor history. Those tribes simply got saved by twists/shakeups before they had a chance to implode.

[TazFTW]

Well, Steph is dumb. Heck, if it weren't for lying to Bobby Jon, I would just vote her off because she has done exceptionally well in all the challenges.

I would have like that reward challenge. I hate jellyfish stings and then urinating on it to inactivate the chemicals.

Cool that Tom gets a shark next week.

[Suicane75]

Angie wouldnt have been that dumb.

[rkmsuf]

Steph is stupid for changing her vote like that. Why change at that point? That made zero sense to me.

[rkmsuf]

Angie wouldnt have been that dumb.

Her armpit hair would have steered her on the right path.

[Maple Leafs]

See, I thought Steph's move was perfect.

Think about it: She had an alliance with James. Bobby John has an alliance with Ibrahem, but has told her that he would break that alliance and team with her. He could be lying, but trusting him is probably Steph's best option at this point since James was dead weight.

So the plan was to vote James off this time, then take out Ibrahem next time. So far so good. But that plan only works smoothly if Ibrahem doesn't figure it out first. He has to think he's safe with Bobby John -- if he sees the backstab coming, he becomes a wildcard (not to mention they could merge any time now and they don't want Ibrahem to know they were plotting against him).

If the vote comes in 3-1 to get rid of James, Ibrahem has to figure out that the Steph/James alliance wasn't as strong as it looked and he probably pieces it together. So instead, Steph votes with her alliance the first time, knowing she'll switch after the tie. Now she looks like she made an impulse decision to get rid of James and avoid another tie.

So right now, Ibrahem probably figures that the vote went perfectly. He thinks he's safely allied with Bobby John, and Steph is next to go. If Steph and Bobby John really do team up, Ibrahem won't see it coming because of her misdirection vote.

[rkmsuf]

See, I thought Steph's move was perfect.

Think about it: She had an alliance with James. Bobby John has an alliance with Ibrahem, but has told her that he would break that alliance and team with her. He could be lying, but trusting him is probably Steph's best option at this point since James was dead weight.

So the plan was to vote James off this time, then take out Ibrahem next time. So far so good. But that plan only works smoothly if Ibrahem doesn't figure it out first. He has to think he's safe with Bobby John -- if he sees the backstab coming, he becomes a wildcard (not to mention they could merge any time now and they don't want Ibrahem to know they were plotting against him).

If the vote comes in 3-1 to get rid of James, Ibrahem has to figure out that the Steph/James alliance wasn't as strong as it looked and he probably pieces it together. So instead, Steph votes with her alliance the first time, knowing she'll switch after the tie. Now she looks like she made an impulse decision to get rid of James and avoid another tie.

So right now, Ibrahem probably figures that the vote went perfectly. He thinks he's safely allied with Bobby John, and Steph is next to go. If Steph and Bobby John really do team up, Ibrahem won't see it coming because of her misdirection vote.

With only the 3 of them left that strategy is pointless.

I think she just made an illogical impulse vote to avoid a tie for no reason....for the second time.

[hhiipp]

I think she may have told Bobby Jon she was going to do that because she felt some sort of bond to James and she said she didn't want to be a liar.. so in effect she made herself feel better by at first voting Ib and then changing to James.

Did seem like an odd move, but I'm not too suprised by it.

[Maple Leafs]

With only the 3 of them left that strategy is pointless.
No it's not, for two reasons:

- If they merge, they want Ibrahem to think he's part of the team. If he knows they were ready to backstab him he'll sell his vote out to which ever sub-alliance from the other tribe makes him the best offer.

- Even if they don't merge (and assuming they lose another immunity), it's far easier to double-cross someone who doesn't know it's coming. If he figures it out, he has a chance to go to each one of them and try to talk them out of it, which will make for some very nervous times for Steph and Bobby John as they're left to hope he doesn't succeed.

[rkmsuf]

No it's not, for two reasons:

- If they merge, they want Ibrahem to think he's part of the team. If he knows they were ready to backstab him he'll sell his vote out to which ever sub-alliance from the other tribe makes him the best offer.

- Even if they don't merge (and assuming they lose another immunity), it's far easier to double-cross someone who doesn't know it's coming. If he figures it out, he has a chance to go to each one of them and try to talk them out of it, which will make for some very nervous times for Steph and Bobby John as they're left to hope he doesn't succeed.

But she already voted for Ib. He has to know that.

Why vote for Ib at all if this is your strategy.

[Maple Leafs]

But she already voted for Ib. He has to know that.

Why vote for Ib at all if this is your strategy.
Because it's all about giving Ib a false sense of security. You want him to think Steph voted against him, because the re-enforces the idea that she's on the outside of his alliance with Bobby John. Now he figures that she targetted him, but it doesn't matter because he knows that he and Bobby John will be voting her out next. If she'd voted for James the first time, he'd be wondering what happened to the James/Steph alliance and might figure out what's coming.

[rkmsuf]

Because it's all about giving Ib a false sense of security. You want him to think Steph voted against him, because the re-enforces the idea that she's on the outside of his alliance with Bobby John. Now he figures that she targetted him, but it doesn't matter because he knows that he and Bobby John will be voting her out next. If she'd voted for James the first time, he'd be wondering what happened to the James/Steph alliance and might figure out what's coming.

you really think the whole thing was that deep?

[paperstreetsoap]

IMO, the Top 5 Survivors Left:
1. Tom
2. Stephenie
3. Greg
4. Ian
5. Bobby Jon

Ian and Greg over Bobby Jon just because Koror is doing so well. Personally, I am rooting for Bobby Jon.

[SteelerFan448]

This far into the show, I still can't believe the domination displayed by Koror. What a great job they did when picking their team...what luck.

[FBPro]

I just think it would be so great to see Steph win it all after the dominate performance by Koror.

[hhiipp]

I think it will be very easy for the Ulong people to jump into a primarily Koror alliance at the merger. They've been together so long that you know some people are starting to grate on others nerves, once Koror faces some adversity it's all going to come crumbling down and I wouldn't be suprised if a Ulong person does win it all.

[FBPro]

Steph survived this week, kinda surprised but glad. Go Steph!!!

[Dutch]

I'm pulling for Stephanie and even Bobby John. Maybe the Kuror will crack when they merge.

[General Mike]

I think it will be very easy for the Ulong people to jump into a primarily Koror alliance at the merger. They've been together so long that you know some people are starting to grate on others nerves, once Koror faces some adversity it's all going to come crumbling down and I wouldn't be suprised if a Ulong person does win it all.

I agree. Kinda like last season with the one guy cracking the all girl alliance.

[FBPro]

Well, only Steph remains for ulong.........

[EagleFan]

Well, only Steph remains for ulong.........

I can't take her whiny voice much longer. She was one of the ones that I was pulling for but her voice has started to really grate on me.

[Swaggs]

She's hot.

[EagleFan]

She's hot.

That's why she was initially on my want to win list. Just get her to stop talking.

[FBPro]

She's hot.
O yeah, and can kick butt as well.

[FBPro]

That's why she was initially on my want to win list. Just get her to stop talking.
Nobody but the camera left to talk to, plus her voice is NOTHING compared to that "nanny wannabe" that was on AI, Mikala.

[Swaggs]

I can't wait to see her "cleaned up" at the finale.

[FBPro]

I can't wait to see her "cleaned up" at the finale.
Hehe......

[hhiipp]

After Janu freaks out on the challenge not sure what happened there http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif she then voluntarily walks off the show at tribal council? I'm glad she's gone though, I was tired of looking at her disgusting body, how the world is that lady a Vegas showgirl? *gag*

[rkmsuf]

She has a few wires loose.

[EagleFan]

Crap, I don't like the previews for next week. I was hoping that original group of 4 would stay together because I want to see Tom and Ian get to the end.

[Lathum]

Tom is gone as soon as he loses a challenge

[rkmsuf]

Tom is gone as soon as he loses a challenge

That's what kind of stinks about the game in general. You almost have to do bad to to good. Look at Chris last year. Or Scout. Bleh.

[gstelmack]

Crap, I don't like the previews for next week. I was hoping that original group of 4 would stay together because I want to see Tom and Ian get to the end.
They would have had they stuck with their guns and kept their original four. But when they decided to let Greg and Jen dictate strategy and talk them into dumping Steph, they made an enemy and screwed up. Heck, invite Karen into the group to make 5 and pick off Greg and Jen. Greg's a threat to Tom and Ian anyway.

The thing I thought was interesting was how Jeff was basically inviting Janu to leave. They clearly know that Steph is the Rupert of this Survivor and don't want her gone early. I also think they were getting concerned about Janu's health, given how she reacted in that challenge and her overall attitude / approach.

[gstelmack]

That's what kind of stinks about the game in general. You almost have to do bad to to good. Look at Chris last year. Or Scout. Bleh.
Or if you do good, you have to do REALLY good. There have been 2 Survivor seasons (notably the first) where someone on the chopping block has run off a string of individual immunity challenge victories to put themselves in the final group.

[rkmsuf]

Or if you do good, you have to do REALLY good. There have been 2 Survivor seasons (notably the first) where someone on the chopping block has run off a string of individual immunity challenge victories to put themselves in the final group.

Tom basically has to run the table from here on in. Very difficult.

[I. J. Reilly]

The thing I thought was interesting was how Jeff was basically inviting Janu to leave. They clearly know that Steph is the Rupert of this Survivor and don't want her gone early. I also think they were getting concerned about Janu's health, given how she reacted in that challenge and her overall attitude / approach.
This actually kind of pissed me off. I've heard interviews with Jeff and other producers of the show saying how fair of a game it is and how they would never do anything to influence the outcome. So much for that. I know that the editing is always done to make the show more dramatic, but this was a little over the top.
Though watching a brain washing on prime time T.V. was kind of fun.

[rkmsuf]

This actually kind of pissed me off. I've heard interviews with Jeff and other producers of the show saying how fair of a game it is and how they would never do anything to influence the outcome. So much for that. I know that the editing is always done to make the show more dramatic, but this was a little over the top.
Though watching a brain washing on prime time T.V. was kind of fun.

He didn't make her do anything she didn't want to do. She was too stupid to even know that is what she wanted in the first place.

I mean when someone says they don't care like that you have to ask the question of her if she wants out of the game.

[Raiders Army]

While I'm not the biggest fan of Probst, I don't think he did anything wrong. Janu said she was ready to go. He's supposed to get them talking at the tribal council, so he acted as a host and asked her if she wanted to quit. What's wrong with that?

[jbmagic]

i think when stephanie spoke and got really emotional, that got to Janu and made her decided to just quit and not let everyone vote.

i see Stephanie winning it all.

[FBPro]

I think Greg needs to get the boot next.

[Maple Leafs]

... how the world is that lady a Vegas showgirl? *gag*
Two words: Off strip.

[Raiders Army]

Two words: Off strip.
Or, she's a Vegas showgirl from Las Vegas, New Mexico. ;)

[Maple Leafs]

The thing I thought was interesting was how Jeff was basically inviting Janu to leave. They clearly know that Steph is the Rupert of this Survivor and don't want her gone early. I also think they were getting concerned about Janu's health, given how she reacted in that challenge and her overall attitude / approach.
Yeah. A few seasons ago when that one guy became the first to quit the show, Jeff could barely disguise his contempt for him. He looked like he wanted to spit on him as he left. But this time he practically jumped out of his seat and dragged her off the set as soon as she said the word "yes".

[Subby]

I think Steph is still screwed - there is no way Jen is going to turn on Greg...

I wonder what Greg's overall plan is now, however - several episodes ago he approached Coby about a secret alliance that also involved Janu and maybe Karen. That's obviously dead now. I guess he is hoping to get to a point where he can convince Karen and/or Katie to vote off Tom...

Either way, I think Steph is gone next week, which sucks...because the fact that she is still in it is simply amazing.

[KevinNU7]

Simple Math can really help everyone out here. When there was 8 people left Steph wanted the group of 4 to vote for Janu, at the same time Gregg and Jenn wanted Steph out and Caryn and Janu will basically vote for whoever. This most likely meant that if Tom, Ian and Katie wanted to stick with Steph and vote out Janu then it would be the 4 of them against the other 4. This is obviosuly bad as Gregg or Jenn could decide to go after Ian or Katie instead, forcing a tie at tribal council.

Now that it is down to 7 people there is no reason to keep a 5 person alliance (Ian, Tom, Katie, Gregg & Jenn). You now only need a 4 person alliance to swing the voting in your favor. Now that they only need 4 people Ian, Tom and Katie will take in Steph and push Gregg or Jenn out of the picture.

[jbmagic]

Looks like Stephanie will talk the girls into an alliance and vote off the guys.


If Stephanie pulls this off next week. she will be very toughh to beat in any tasks against the girls after the boys are gone.. and most likely she will have immunity a lot.

[LloydLungs]

Steph is going to try an all-girl alliance next week, which is never going to work because of the Jenn/Gregg connection. Her only real hope is that the Tom/Ian/Katie group realize Gregg is an even greater threat and take her back, although Tom sounded extremely methodical about his intentions to oust Steph last night.

Of course, Tom is the biggest threat out there but is also very well-placed politically. The only way he goes now is if Gregg/Jenn grow brains and figure out they're not in his final plans (all these people just saw Rob/Amber in all-stars -- G/J have to know they're not in anybody's final plans, so they need to just attach themselves to whomever is most desperate and maybe worm their way to the end that way).

[Raiders Army]

Looks like Stephanie will talk the girls into an alliance and vote off the guys.


If Stephanie pulls this off next week. she will be very toughh to beat in any tasks against the girls after the boys are gone.. and most likely she will have immunity a lot.
Physically she's a threat. Intellectually, I don't think so. There were several challenges where she wasn't the brightest light bulb. Remember the first episode when she jumped off the canoe/boat because she thought she could swim faster than 19 other people rowing?

[rkmsuf]

Physically she's a threat. Intellectually, I don't think so. There were several challenges where she wasn't the brightest light bulb. Remember the first episode when she jumped off the canoe/boat because she thought she could swim faster than 19 other people rowing?


Now that was funny. She only lost by about 20 minutes.

[Swaggs]

She's still hot.

[Maple Leafs]

... although Tom sounded extremely methodical about his intentions to oust Steph last night.
Bingo. And that might end up costing him a million dollars.

If he'd BS'ed that answer, acted as if he'd never vote for Steph, he could probably get her back in the alliance. But instead he was honest, because he knew he had the votes to take Steph out and it obviously never occured to him that Jeff would encourage Janu to quit before the vote. So he told the truth, Steph heard it, and now she's got her chance to make him pay for it.

[TazFTW]

Looks like Stephanie will talk the girls into an alliance and vote off the guys.


If Stephanie pulls this off next week. she will be very toughh to beat in any tasks against the girls after the boys are gone.. and most likely she will have immunity a lot.
Finally got around to watching this episode and because it was shown in the preview means there's no way it's going to happen (reality show rule #245).

I also think Tom can win every immunity challege as he has shown to be the best player physically and mentally. I don't see him losing a challenge unless he a) breaks a bone b) gets a severe illness (has to be severe as I see him as being able to 'will' himself through it) c) gets eaten by a shark as an act of revenge d) Jeff announces the immunity challege is who can hold their liquor.

I think Steph will be leaving. Or there's a secret alliance that the producers have been editing out, only to show it when they strike.

[Mota]

I thought it was a little unfair that Jeff became an active participant in the last episode and altered the ending. Janu was not going to quit without Jeff's interference. With a million dollars on the line, I would be pretty annoyed if that had wrecked my plans.

[Ironhead]

Something interesting about this episode that what you also do not see in the episode:

"Quitters never win, but if they make it far enough on "Survivor," they get to be on the jury.

Janu Tornell, 39, became the fourth person in "Survivor" history to quit the competition, but she'll still help decide the winner of the $1 million prize as a member of the nine-person jury – a heated issue the tribal council cameras didn't capture.

"It wasn't to save Stephenie (LaGrossa) in the game," Tornell told The Associated Press Friday. "It ended up like that. At the same time, it was almost like a power play because I threw a wrench into their game."

The former Las Vegas showgirl said host Jeff Probst didn't coerce her into departing "Survivor: Palau," although it may have seemed otherwise.

"He aided me," said Tornell. "I was at the point where I thought, 'I want to go, but I don't want to jeopardize being part of the jury.' I was still battling with 'quitter.' I hate that word. But I did it. I laid down my torch. No regrets whatsoever."

Viewers didn't see Tornell's concern about whether she would be on the jury if she quit the CBS reality show. After going back and forth for several hours, Tornell said Probst asked for a break in the filming.

"The cameras stopped," said Tornell. "Tribal council got really heated. You guys didn't even get any part of that. (Probst) goes, 'This is off the record. What's going on, Janu? What are you worried about?' And I said, 'Basically, I don't want to lose my place in the jury. I don't know where this takes me."

Tornell said Probst left the tribal council area and consulted with producers. (The three players who quit "Survivor" in previous seasons departed before juries were formed.)

"It was all a new drama situation for everybody involved," said Tornell.

Probst returned and assured Tornell that she wouldn't forfeit her place on the jury by quitting. The cameras started back up, and Tornell did just that.

Now, as a jury member, she'll be on the lookout for the player "who I thought played the game the best."

[jbmagic]

Everybody voted Stephanie off tonight.

[Joe]

not surprising at all. if you watched the preview you pretty much knew she was gone.

[hhiipp]

Thanks, missed it all because of George Friggin Bush talking about Social Security.

[Cap Ologist]

No you didn't, it came on after his press conference. CBS booted without a trace.

[hhiipp]

I was in bed by then, had to be up at 5 this morning. =\

[Raiders Army]

Watched Survivor instead of the Apprentice last night, since there will be a rerun of the Apprentice tonight on CNBC. Too bad for Steph, but the writing was on the wall. I'm rooting for Ian, although he's pretty goofy.

[Lathum]

Watched Survivor instead of the Apprentice last night, since there will be a rerun of the Apprentice tonight on CNBC. Too bad for Steph, but the writing was on the wall. I'm rooting for Ian, although he's pretty goofy.
And apparently he smells bed

[Raiders Army]

And apparently he smells bed
I didn't understand the fact that he asked Greg to wash his back, when Stephanie and Jenn were better choices.

[rkmsuf]

I didn't understand the fact that he asked Greg to wash his back, when Stephanie and Jenn were better choices.

Oh I think you understand.

[Raiders Army]

Oh I think you understand.
Please, enlighten me. ;)

[Lathum]

Well now that Coby is off the show someone has to do the dirty work

[kingfc22]

Why is their a new episode airing right now at 5 PM PST???

[TazFTW]

Is it new? Or is it the one that aired this Thursday and your affiliate decided to re-air it because of the President's press conference.

[kingfc22]

Is it new? Or is it the one that aired this Thursday and your affiliate decided to re-air it because of the President's press conference.
That could be it as I did miss this past Thursday's episode and my TIVO did not record it either.

[gstelmack]

Cold Case is on here, so it's probably just a re-run of the Thursday episode.

[Joe]

I have Cold Case here as well.

[SteelerFan448]

Smart move to vote Steph off. She had the potential to disrupt things. Katie should be next, what a waste.

I met Ian a couple of weeks ago. He is an extremely nice guy. I hope he wins.

[wade moore]

i think this was a smart move for the guys, stupid for the girls..

Carin is an idiot to think that she will make it past next tribal council, perhaps the one after that.... the guys are going to pick these girls off one by one, with Jenn probably being the last standing...

I hated to see Stephanie go... I have watched every survivor so far, and Stephanie is probably by far my favorite (not because of looks, actually not my type at all)...

[TazFTW]

Finally saw last week's episode and what Tom, Ian, and Caryn were able to do was freakin' brilliant. The reaction shots were great during that tribal council.

[FrogMan]

Finally saw last week's episode and what Tom, Ian, and Caryn were able to do was freakin' brilliant. The reaction shots were great during that tribal council.
Greg sayin "you guys are good" just showed how much he never saw it coming. I agree, a brilliant move. I like how Ian and Tom asked each other if they'd be all right with picking a stone, knowing that the girl would probably freak out :)

FM

[Easy Mac]

Its about time they did something. They've completely owned the game so far. I'm still hoping Tom wins. Although, I'd be worried with 3 girls and 2 guys. ANd Katie seems to have some weird spell over Ian... not sure why.

[Maple Leafs]

We've already started using the phrase "gone to Janu-land" at work.

[gstelmack]

ANd Katie seems to have some weird spell over Ian... not sure why.
Yeah, I'm always amused when someone (Katie it appears in the next episode) throws around the "how dare you try to backstab me while I'm busy trying to backstab you?" attitude, and the other person actually feels bad about the whole thing...

[Joe]

imo what should happen tonight is Caryn siding with Ian and Tom again to vote out Jenn. She would be a fool to go with the other girls and vote out the men, knowing she'd never outlast Jenn in the endurance immunity, and Jenn would take Katie to the final. With Ian and Tom, there's a better chance of her going to the final than with the girls. Plus those all women alliances never work. Who knows what will happen though. These people are dumb sometimes.

[Joe]

stupid bitch

[korme]

Caryn tried to screw over Ian so hard.. rooting for Ian and Tom, that was kinda scary.

What sucks is, Ian has some crush on nasty Katie, so I see next week he tells Tom he told the chicks he'd vote Tom off. Tom is rightfully pissed, as he said this episode he has done everything in his power to keep Ian sticking with him.

So basically now I think Tom has to win all the immunities, which would have been easier had Ian been voted out.

Basically, I have a gut that Ian and Katie will be the final two, which of those 2 winning I don't know. But I feel Tom will give his vote to Ian, stating something along the lines of "You betrayed me, but you played the game well and deserve 1 mil."

This is one crazy Survivor.

[Maple Leafs]

Caryn has earned a place on the roster of worst Survivor contestants of all time.

- No discernible personality? Check.
- Not any good at the actual game? Check.
- Tags along with better players? Check.
- Can't leave without making a big scene, as if she even deserved to be there? Check.

Glad she's gone.

[gstelmack]

Best part was that JENN voted to get rid of Caryn. I mean, how badly can you screw yourself over?

[LloydLungs]

Best part was that JENN voted to get rid of Caryn. I mean, how badly can you screw yourself over?

Based on the preview for the finale, I wonder if Ian didn't broker a new agreement before this TC with Katie/Jenn to knock out Caryn and then Tom next time -- which might explain Jenn's vote. Dunno why that would have been edited out, but I wonder.

Katie really played well this episode. Whether she was just being a girl or whether it was deliberate strategy, she now completely owns Ian. She reduced him to a blubbering pile of mush and was probably very smart to keep him, because he's going to do her bidding for the rest of the game. Ian appears to have lost his mind between last week and this week.

[gstelmack]

Katie really played well this episode. Whether she was just being a girl or whether it was deliberate strategy, she now completely owns Ian. She reduced him to a blubbering pile of mush and was probably very smart to keep him, because he's going to do her bidding for the rest of the game. Ian appears to have lost his mind between last week and this week.
I'm going to be really disappointed if Katie wins. As I said earlier in the thread, that whole "How dare you stab me in the back while I'm busy trying to stab you in the back?" line is my least favorite play on Survivor. And it works every single time. Sheesh! Ian tries to bring up her screwing him over in the prior reward challenge, and she doesn't want to talk about it. Talk about playing up to the stereotype. "No, honey, we won't talk about what pissed you off, we're only going to talk about what pissed me off." Women like Katie give women a bad name...

[LloydLungs]

"How dare you stab me in the back while I'm busy trying to stab you in the back?" line is my least favorite play on Survivor.

Yep, but like you said, it works, so I call it a good play. I don't think Katie can actually win, though. One if not both of the guys is going to be final 2 -- this immunity challenge wasn't really even that physical, and STILL the girls weren't even close to the guys. Tom fell like 600 times and still won the challenge. The remaining immunities will be won by Tom or Ian, and I can't imagine Katie would beat either of them... although if it's Ian-Katie, Ian might beg the jury to vote Katie, based on his pathetic performance tonight...

[ShaqFu]

Caryn hung herself in the tribal council. She should have kept her big mouth shut, instead of going off on everyone. The woman (and Tom) should have booted Ian. The two guys are the strongest players. Tom would have sealed his victory by booting Ian.

I still say Tom is the favorite to win at this point. He's certain to win any endurance challenges and we all know that the Final Three challenge is the big endurance challenge. If he makes it to the Final Three, Tom wins $1,000,000.

[Ksyrup]

Based on the preview for the finale, I wonder if Ian didn't broker a new agreement before this TC with Katie/Jenn to knock out Caryn and then Tom next time -- which might explain Jenn's vote. Dunno why that would have been edited out, but I wonder.
You don't know why they edited that out (if it happened)? I don't watch this show all that often, but when I do, each episode is virtually the same - it's not about documenting what goes on during each few days, but just cut-and-pasting enough pieces of footage together to manufacture some sort of CSI/L&O-type "surprise" ending. I saw the last half of last night's episode, and it was typical - all they let us see lead to the obvious conclusion that Ian would be voted off, and of course, he didn't get more than 1 vote.

It's the same cookie cutter crap every episode that I watch that prevents me from getting into this show. It's like the CSI from last night - the college kids die in the dorm room, and they only talk to 2 students, one of whom they badger the entire episode. I turned to my wife and said, "This is like a Scooby Doo episode - only 2 possible suspects, and the obvious answer is the one they never focused on." Bingo!

This is probably why I don't watch much non-sports TV anymore...

[SegRat]

I still say Tom is the favorite to win at this point. He's certain to win any endurance challenges and we all know that the Final Three challenge is the big endurance challenge. If he makes it to the Final Three, Tom wins $1,000,000.

I am not so sure Tom will get votes if he makes it to the final 2. If he would go against Jenn, I say she wins. Against Katie He has a better chance. Against Ian I say Tom loses.

[LloydLungs]

You don't know why they edited that out (if it happened)? I don't watch this show all that often, but when I do, each episode is virtually the same - it's not about documenting what goes on during each few days, but just cut-and-pasting enough pieces of footage together to manufacture some sort of CSI/L&O-type "surprise" ending.

I think an Ian/Katie/Jenn alliance didn't have to be edited out -- they had already shown enough prospective alliances throughout the show, so hypothetically the viewer wouldn't know which ones were actually for real. That said, I agree, after 10 seasons of this show, the editing patterns have become very regular. I'm not sure who wins but I can pretty much guarantee that Jenn doesn't -- she's edited in the exact same way as a Butch or Darrah. The invisible final 4 player with no story probably doesn't win.

[rkmsuf]

It's tailor made for a Katie/Ian final.

I can't stand Katie or Jenn. Maybe they've edited Jenn out but I can't remember a single thing or a single word she's spoken. All I remember is her laying around with Gregg.

Tom is by far the best player but the shame of the game is he's a longshot to win.

[Maple Leafs]

I think an Ian/Katie/Jenn alliance didn't have to be edited out -- they had already shown enough prospective alliances throughout the show, so hypothetically the viewer wouldn't know which ones were actually for real. That said, I agree, after 10 seasons of this show, the editing patterns have become very regular. I'm not sure who wins but I can pretty much guarantee that Jenn doesn't -- she's edited in the exact same way as a Butch or Darrah. The invisible final 4 player with no story probably doesn't win.
Vecepia?

[LloydLungs]

Vecepia?

I wouldn't call Vecepia invisible, under-the-radar for sure but not invisible. I think the completely invisible player is a phenomenon of the more recent seasons. Vecepia was actually fairly prominent in the first few episodes, then disappeared for several weeks, then resurfaced in the endgame. As compared to this season, where Jenn has never surfaced and didn't even have a *confessional* until episode three or four.

Rewatching season 2, the Australian outback, I can say the editors don't do nearly as good a job as they used to of making sure every player was known to the viewer.

[Maple Leafs]

I find that most players get a three or four episode story arc before they're voted off. So if you're halfway through a season and you realize you have no idea who one of the players is, bet on them going to the final four.

[Raiders Army]

I find that most players get a three or four episode story arc before they're voted off. So if you're halfway through a season and you realize you have no idea who one of the players is, bet on them going to the final four.
Finale tonight....3 long hours (2 for show, 1 for reunion). Guess I'll watch The Contender tomorrow night on CNBC.

[Easy Mac]

Shit the contender is on tonight... I can only record 2 shows at a time. Its a crowded night tonight. I've got 5 shows Tivo'd.

Edit: Nevermind, I've got the 8 oclock slot open.

[Joe]

katie should make it to the final 2.. imo anyone going up against her should win. they'd be smart to boot Jenn at 4, and whoever of tom/ian doesnt win immunity should be gone at 3. probably wrong as usual though.

[Suicane75]

This is awesome. Maybe the best final i've ever seen.

[BrianD]

I like the fact that nobody trusts anybody anymore. People always make deals at the end, I want to see a true endurance challenge with a fight until someone's body gives out.

[Suicane75]

HOLY SHIT

[Suicane75]

Just wow.

[BrianD]

Ok, what the fuck was that?

[Suicane75]

He is pussywhipped. I got a sneaking hunch that Ian is in love.

[Easy Mac]

Well, we know Ian will vote for Katie in the finals. I don't think Coby, Karen, and Gregg would vote for Tom to win. Neither do I think Janu will either. Steph probably won't. I think Tom's best bet is to take Ian with him.

Wow, Ian jumps

[Easy Mac]

Man, Tom just lost $1,000,000.

[Suicane75]

How much does 2nd offer? I wouldnt be surprised if Ian and Katie had some sort of deal to split the grand prize. Not sure i'm right, but that would be the swankest/sneakiest deal ever made on Survivor.

[Easy Mac]

I honestly don't think Tom will get a vote to win. I think he deserves to win, but I think he's pissed off enough people by completely dominating the game. His only real friend was Ian, and I still think Ian won't vote for him.

[Suicane75]

I honestly don't think Tom will get a vote to win. I think he deserves to win, but I think he's pissed off enough people by completely dominating the game. His only real friend was Ian, and I still think Ian won't vote for him.
Im not a fantatical watcher, but havnt alot of the past final votes gone against common thinking?

[BrianD]

But Tom dominated the whole game and Katie was along for the ride. Many times people vote for the better player out of respect.

[BrianD]

Second prize is $100,000, and there is some rule in place that they forfeit the money if they make any deals to share the prize...if they can prove it.

[Easy Mac]

I've never seen a person dominate Survivor like Tom has. Plus he comes off smarmy. Those are 2 things people really don't like.

Is this the first Survivor where a woman did not win (solo) immunity?

[Easy Mac]

Nice one Greg... that was awesome.

[Suicane75]

Katie is blowing it.

[BrianD]

I'd say they are both blowing it, but Katie is blowing it more. Does everybody really believe that Tom voted them off because he got duped and thought they were plotting against him? If they are believing that, he is the most clever player ever. He hasn't had to talk about a single broken alliance, he just kept claiming he was duped.

[Easy Mac]

well, they were plotting against him since there were about 7. First chance they got they were getting him off.

[Easy Mac]

Man, I can't believe Probst didn't skydive onto a motorcycle this time.

[BrianD]

well, they were plotting against him since there were about 7. First chance they got they were getting him off.

True, but Tom made every move that he wanted to make. Claiming that he was duped and shouldn't have voted the way he did seemed lame.

Apparently it worked though.

[Suicane75]

Nice

[Easy Mac]

West Coaster's ignore.

TOMMY!!!!!!!!!

and Katie looks like a Gorgon.

[NAIWF]

Thank goodness Tom won 6-1. Katie was quite possibly the worst player ever to make the final 4, much less the last 2.

[Mota]

Finally the person who deserves it the most wins in Survivor. That rarely happens.

That being said I predicted Tom would win 5-2, but Katie's answers were so poor and negative that it's a wonder she even got one vote. I could have gone into a dictionary, picked random words and used those for my answers and probably would have done better than her.

[Suicane75]

Man, upon further review, what the fuck was Ian thinking?

[SegRat]

I am not so sure Tom will get votes if he makes it to the final 2. If he would go against Jenn, I say she wins. Against Katie He has a better chance. Against Ian I say Tom loses.

I was right!

[FBPro]

Did anyone who Tivo'd the finale tonight NOT have the 8:00-9:00 hour recorded?

[finkenst]

Did anyone who Tivo'd the finale tonight NOT have the 8:00-9:00 hour recorded?
nope, mine caught it... It wasn't going to record the reunion show because of a conflict.

[Dutch]

I was right!

I had Tom pegged to win against any of the other 3.

1. He was a better version of Ian.
2. Katie didn't do anything
3. Jen did even less than Katie.

The victor, I think has always gone to the better overall player (out of the final 2). At least, the ones I've watched, which is most of them.

Now, the best player's I thought were Stephanie and Bobby John. Had either of them, with what they went through, gone up against Tom, I think they would have won it all.

[korme]

I honestly don't think Tom will get a vote to win. I think he deserves to win, but I think he's pissed off enough people by completely dominating the game. His only real friend was Ian, and I still think Ian won't vote for him.
good guess

[korme]

Finally the person who deserves it the most wins in Survivor. That rarely happens.

That being said I predicted Tom would win 5-2, but Katie's answers were so poor and negative that it's a wonder she even got one vote. I could have gone into a dictionary, picked random words and used those for my answers and probably would have done better than her.
that about sums it up, what a way to dig your own grave..

[TazFTW]

Great to see Tom win. I had been rooting for him since the first ep.

He named the kid Janu??

Survivor Guatemala? Is one of the challenges picking coffee?

[Glengoyne]

Survivor Guatemala? Is one of the challenges picking coffee?
Cocaine.


I too was happy that Tom won it all. He did deserve it. The last person to dominate so thoroughly was Colby, and he didn't win.

[Joe]

I've never seen a person dominate Survivor like Tom has. Plus he comes off smarmy. Those are 2 things people really don't like.

Is this the first Survivor where a woman did not win (solo) immunity?

Its happened a few times before. Chris won solo immunity last season, and so did Rob on All-Stars. Brian won it on the Thailand series, but that was a male vs. male final. Oh, and Colby won it too, against Tina.

[Joe]

Man, upon further review, what the fuck was Ian thinking?

he probably felt he couldnt beat Tom in the final 2 anyway. he still got $75,000 for finishing third.

[Raiders Army]

My thoughts:

A total dominating performance by Tom. His tribe dominated the challenges and he dominated the individual immunity challenges. He deserved the win.

Ian was too young to try to play the game his way. He couldn't lie and deceive well enough, and that's how he got caught.

Katie was horrible. She goes second on my list of final two who didn't deserve to be there. Lil the Boy Scout old chick goes first.

That singing from Wanda is horrible. WTF?

Daddy, who did you name me after? Janu, I named you after a skanky Las Vegas showgirl who I met on a reality TV show.

Probst continues to annoy me. First, he defends himself on live TV(unnecessarily IMHO) from something that happened episodes ago. Just to make himself look like a good guy. Second, he attacked contestants personally. Do you see Alex Trebek do that? As a matter of fact, Alex comes off that he would do well at Jeopardy. Probst comes off as being too arrogant and cocky to do well at Survivor.

Just some random thoughts.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Did anyone else think that Ashlee looked hot as hell on the reunion show?

[gstelmack]

Tom deserved it, and figured he had a great shot. The other Survivors (with one or two exceptions each season) vote for who they felt played the best game, and there was no way anybody thought Katie did anything other than ride coattails.

Katie still just doesn't "get it". She was surprised everyone thought she had been mean to people, even though they have her on camera playing her "leader of the high school clique" role throughout the show.

Ian is definitely smitten. As pointed out, he was too young to handle this, he hasn't been screwed over by enough women yet to avoid being played by Katie. I do give him credit, though, for his last action in the game, as it was a big growing up moment for him. As he said, at least he left the game with his self-respect. Had he been more mature to begin with, it would have been a stupid move, but I bet he's much more capable of coping with similar situations in the future now.

I think Jenn played a harder game than people give her credit for. Especially down the stretch run, her game was to sit back and keep her mouth shut until she needed to open it, then she'd reach in and stir the pot and sit back to watch the fallout. Nicely played by her, she just got caught as the odd person out (and couldn't build a fire to save her life).

I wanted to hear more about that guy that didn't even make it to a tribe. Angie finally gave a bit of an explanation, and I figured it had to be something like him ticking off a bunch of people.

[Maple Leafs]

Great job by Tom... probably the best overall performance by a winner since Rich in the first season. And it was nice to finally see the best player win -- maybe this will put an end to the dominance of the "fly under the radar" strategy for a while.

His jury performance was almost flawless. I think future contestants in that situaiton should just repeat his answers, word-for-word. Katy was the opposite, just a complete meltdown.

I was disappointed that Jeff didn't ask Ian and Katy some tougher questions during the wrapup. Specifically, they didn't get into her hypocrisy over being betrayed by Ian when she was plotting against him all along (and did nothing the help him when Tom turned on him).

[Raiders Army]

Did anyone else think that Ashlee looked hot as hell on the reunion show?
She has some big bazookas.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

She has some big bazookas.

Those are not merely bazookas, those are protectorates of the old colonial British Empire, IMO. :)

[Subby]

Ditto what Maple Leafs said about Tom's jury performance. Unbelievably first-rate. The only other person on the show who would have stood a chance next to Tom in a finale would have been Steph.

I am disappointed Greg didn't get farther - I think under different circumstances he could have won that game. Hopefully he gets a crack at the next All-Stars...

[Raiders Army]

Those are not merely bazookas, those are protectorates of the old colonial British Empire, IMO. :)
Those are no protectorates....they are space stations!

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Great job by Tom... probably the best overall performance by a winner since Rich in the first season. And it was nice to finally see the best player win -- maybe this will put an end to the dominance of the "fly under the radar" strategy for a while.

His jury performance was almost flawless. I think future contestants in that situaiton should just repeat his answers, word-for-word. Katy was the opposite, just a complete meltdown.

I was disappointed that Jeff didn't ask Ian and Katy some tougher questions during the wrapup. Specifically, they didn't get into her hypocrisy over being betrayed by Ian when she was plotting against him all along (and did nothing the help him when Tom turned on him).

His public speaking skills seem somewhat wasted as a fireman. That man has some serious oratory gifts.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Those are no protectorates....they are space stations!

Real or fake? :D

[Maple Leafs]

I am disappointed Greg didn't get farther - I think under different circumstances he could have won that game. Hopefully he gets a crack at the next All-Stars...Everything I've seen from Probst or the producers implies that they won't be doing another all-stars -- which is a shame, I think, because they could have pulled about four or five players from this season alone. Tom and Stephenie would definitely qualify, and Ian and Greg could as well. Even Colby, Bill Joe and Angie had that entertainment value.

[Easy Mac]

I think Gregg got too greedy too fast. He easily could have waited until 5 to start the game, but he screwed up by taking Jenn and Katie. If he took like Jenn and Tom/Ian, I think everything would have been ok and set up nicely for him (picking off Caryn, Tom, Ian).

And on my immunity comment earlier, no woman won immunity at all this year (team competitions notwithstanding), I don't think thats happened since I've been watching

[Raiders Army]

Even Coby, Bobby John and Angie had that entertainment value.
Fixed it for ya.

[Raiders Army]

Real or fake? :D
Methinks fake.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor10/images/survivors/ashlee/gall/03.jpg

[Jon]

Where did you see that the vote was 6-1 in favor of Tom? Jeff stopped counting votes when it was 4-1. Did they post it somewhere?

[BrianD]

Where did you see that the vote was 6-1 in favor of Tom? Jeff stopped counting votes when it was 4-1. Did they post it somewhere?

When the counting stops, you know the rest of the votes went to the winner. They order the votes for maximum drama, and they don't reveal the winner one vote before they have to.

[stkelly52]

Where did you see that the vote was 6-1 in favor of Tom? Jeff stopped counting votes when it was 4-1. Did they post it somewhere?

The votes are never pulled out randomly, they are pulled out to try to allow for the most suspence

[TazFTW]

His public speaking skills seem somewhat wasted as a fireman. That man has some serious oratory gifts.
Word. He looks like a politician. When he won the million and he was in the crowd high fiving people, it looked like he was in his campaign headquarters celebrating after seeing the final vote tally announced.

[BrianD]

Word. He looks like a politician. When he won the million and he was in the crowd high fiving people, it looked like he was in his campaign headquarters celebrating after seeing the final vote tally announced.

And, like Jeff said in the reunion show, Tom was very good at giving a long answer to a question without actually answering the question. Very politician-like.

[korme]

Fixed it for ya.
Actually, it's Bobby Jon, if you want to get technical. :)

Tom, Steph, Ian, Greg, Bobby Jon and Coby would all make good All-Stars

[gstelmack]

Tom, Steph, Ian, Greg, Bobby Jon and Coby would all make good All-Stars
How on earth would COBY make a good All-Star? He played a horrible game and got himself kicked out pretty quick after Koror started going to tribal council. He was just way too obvious. Sure, he was strong in the team challenges, but that was about it.

[Raiders Army]

Actually, it's Bobby Jon, if you want to get technical. :)

Tom, Steph, Ian, Greg, Bobby Jon and Coby would all make good All-Stars
Thanks. Hehe.

BTW, did anyone else notice Katie and Steph went to the same college? Monmouth College in NJ.

[jbmagic]

the last all star they had suck.


if they want to have a true all-star bring back all the 1 million dollar winner. when they have 18 shows done.

then we will see who the ultimate survivor is.

[Subby]

the last all star they had suck. You have got to be kidding. Watching Rob PWN every other "all-star" was a pleasure to watch. Not only does he make it to the final, he is marrying the girl who sucked out on him and won the million bucks...

[Subby]

Coby seemed to win a lot of fans over during his post-elimination, tribal council days. Being gay, not finishing high school, is a story that could get him on an All-Star cast.Plus he is only the second parent in America to have a kid named Janu!

[korme]

How on earth would COBY make a good All-Star? He played a horrible game and got himself kicked out pretty quick after Koror started going to tribal council. He was just way too obvious. Sure, he was strong in the team challenges, but that was about it.
Coby seemed to win a lot of fans over during his post-elimination, tribal council days. Being gay, not finishing high school, is a story that could get him on an All-Star cast.

[jbmagic]

You have got to be kidding. Watching Rob PWN every other "all-star" was a pleasure to watch. Not only does he make it to the final, he is marrying the girl who sucked out on him and won the million bucks...


true

but the one million dollars previous winners didnt have a chance. they had a big target.


that why i would love to see an all star of just the million dollar winner after they get 18 winners.

[Joe]

true

but the one million dollars previous winners didnt have a chance. they had a big target.


that why i would love to see an all star of just the million dollar winner after they get 18 winners.

well if they were smart about it, someone shouldve made an alliance with a few of the previous winners. so when its a winner and a non-winner in the final 2, theres no way the jury would vote for the previous winner to get another million.

[Bo Jackson's Hip]

Plus he is only the second parent in America to have a kid named Janu!

He may still be the first, I'm still not convinced the original Janu is not an alien life form. :)

[Raiders Army]

He may still be the first, I'm still not convinced the original Janu is not an alien life form. :)
Again, she was a Las Vegas, New Mexico, showgirl....big difference. :)

[Raiders Army]

Dola, just kidding about that. I don't know.