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Fritz
04-07-2005, 09:28 AM
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTECM.HTM

March 29, 2005: The U.S. Department of Defense’s new microwave ray, crowd control system (ADS, for Active Denial System) has been delayed, again. ADS broadcasts microwaves at a frequency that makes people feel like their skin is on fire. Tests have shown that no one can stand it for more than a few seconds, before desperately seeking to get away from the area. But after eleven years, and over $50 million, ADS has been found to have weight problems (if operated from a hummer). This appears easy enough to solve, compared to the potential legal problems. You see, “non-lethal weapons” (as things like ADS are called) are not one hundred percent non-lethal. But people love to call them non-lethal, because such devices are intended to deal with violent individuals by using less lethal force. A classic example of how this works is the Taser. A gun like device that fires two small barbs into an individual, and then zaps the victim with a non-lethal jolt of electricity, the Taser has been popular with police, who can more easily subdue violent, and often armed, individuals. Before Taser, the cops had a choice between dangerous (for everyone) hand-to-hand combat, or just firing their weapons and killing the guy. While the Taser has been a great success, for every thousand or so times you use it, the victim will die (either from a fall, another medical condition, use of drugs or whatever). This has been fodder for the media, and put Taser users, and non-lethal-weapons developers, on the defensive. So the Department of Defense has to go through more human testing to get a better idea of what kind of accidental deaths the ADS could cause. The most common would be from falls, or getting trampled, as victims fled the ADS microwave ray. While the potential ADS users know, from combat experience, that ADS would cause far fewer fatalities than existing methods (firepower), they also know that any fatalities from ADS use would generate bad press. That could be a career ending event. When you have one dead body, you can’t use the fact that you don’t have ten, or a hundred, as a defense.

The war on terror has made ADS more acceptable, as it could be used to guard sensitive targets. This would include targets thought vulnerable to suicide bomber attack. ADS can be effective several hundred meters away, more than enough range to stop suspected suicide bombers who have ignored all other warnings. Navy ships in ports vulnerable to terrorist activity could also use ADS. However, each ADS system costs about four million dollars, so they won’t be passed out like riot shields and tear gas grenades. Last year, it was thought that ADS could enter service this year, but now it looks like the additional testing and lawyer-proofing will delay that another year or two. However, if the right emergency arose, ADS could be flown out right away.

rkmsuf
04-07-2005, 09:30 AM
This is where my suit of hot pockets will come in handy.

They be pissed when I'm having lunch as they are trying to microwave me.

Fritz
04-07-2005, 09:33 AM
you dont think the blazing hot tomato and cheese would be a problem?

Anthony
04-07-2005, 09:34 AM
it's nice that it would take another 9/11 in order for us to utilize this device for our FUCKING SAFETY.

what the fuck does the Dept. of Homeland Security do all day, anyway? they should be on this. i swear, i think by now it's obvious they were created so that Bush could have a scapegoat when we get nuked or something.

i want us to use the miscrowave weapon. this country is full of pussy politicians and our lawyers run this country. God forbid we use something that could actually save lives.

rkmsuf
04-07-2005, 09:41 AM
you dont think the blazing hot tomato and cheese would be a problem?

It's specially insulated. Can be used as a weapon as well. Try touching me as they microwave my exterior.

Caution, filling is hot.

QuikSand
04-07-2005, 10:06 AM
fatalities from ADS use would generate bad press

This smacks of Pinto math to me.


But an interesting item, regardless.

Fritz
04-07-2005, 10:08 AM
This smacks of Pinto math to me.


is that like when Pinto from Delta House goes to the store and stuffs his sweater full of meat then buys a pack of gum?

Anthony
04-07-2005, 10:09 AM
*yawn*

gstelmack
04-07-2005, 10:10 AM
This smacks of Pinto math to me.


But an interesting item, regardless.
Well, that's the way the press works. Not "Hundreds Saved in Riot By Use of Non-Lethal Weapons" but rather "Rioter Killed By Rubber Bullet". Makes better headlines, and of course you don't know for certain how many would have been killed had old methods use. Since the press is there to sell papers, not tell the truth, you get this kind of spin.

QuikSand
04-07-2005, 10:11 AM
No, rather like the good old exploding Ford Pintos, with the dangerously-exposed fuel tank when rear-ended.

After a number of people were french-fried in them, and lawsuits began, it bacame clear that somewhere along the way, the people at Ford decided (in essence) that it would be cheaper to just go ahead and build them with the acknowldeged design flaw, inevitably have a certain number of deadly accidents, and pay off the victims, than it would be to re-design the car to fix the problem. So they did... and they got caught.

Fritz
04-07-2005, 10:12 AM
hey, HA opened his mouth without shit rolling out. Perhaps he is out?

panerd
04-07-2005, 10:15 AM
So the Department of Defense has to go through more human testing to get a better idea of what kind of accidental deaths the ADS could cause.

Who would volunteer for this?

cartman
04-07-2005, 10:16 AM
You have to remember, we are nurturing a "culture of life" in this society, so the device cannot kill anyone...

:rolleyes:

QuikSand
04-07-2005, 10:16 AM
So the Department of Defense has to go through more human testing to get a better idea of what kind of accidental deaths the ADS could cause.

Who would volunteer for this?

Yawning people?

Fritz
04-07-2005, 10:16 AM
So the Department of Defense has to go through more human testing to get a better idea of what kind of accidental deaths the ADS could cause.

Who would "volunteer" for this?

canadians

Fritz
04-07-2005, 10:17 AM
Yawning people?


oh, better answer

st.cronin
04-07-2005, 10:18 AM
So the Department of Defense has to go through more human testing to get a better idea of what kind of accidental deaths the ADS could cause.

Who would volunteer for this?

http://jail.lfucg.com/services/offenders/offenderdetails/default.asp?inmateid=337

Anthony
04-07-2005, 10:37 AM
Yawning people?


or nerds?

(jumping up and down waving hands) look at me! look at me! i listen to audio philosophy lectures while i drive! don't you see how smart i am?!?

cuervo72
04-07-2005, 11:32 AM
It's specially insulated. Can be used as a weapon as well. Try touching me as they microwave my exterior.

Caution, filling is hot.

What you have to do is make a suit out of the little cardboard thing in which you microwave the hot pocket. Except turn it inside out, so the special lining is on the OUTSIDE, hense reflecting the microwaves back onto your attackers!

Anthony
04-07-2005, 11:37 AM
What you have to do is make a suit out of the little cardboard thing in which you microwave the hot pocket. Except turn it inside out, so the special lining is on the OUTSIDE, hense reflecting the microwaves back onto your attackers!

bingo. you'd make a good evil doctor, cuervo.

Anthony
04-07-2005, 11:48 AM
Should we start a pool on how long before we sell one of these things to a country with an unstable government, and it comes back to haunt us?


as long as that country doesn't have a legion of combat trained 5 year olds we'll be all right.

lighthousekeeper
04-07-2005, 11:48 AM
Should we start a pool on how long before we sell one of these things to a country with an unstable government, and it comes back to haunt us?

rkmsuf
04-07-2005, 11:51 AM
What you have to do is make a suit out of the little cardboard thing in which you microwave the hot pocket. Except turn it inside out, so the special lining is on the OUTSIDE, hense reflecting the microwaves back onto your attackers!

now we're getting somewhere

Pyser
04-07-2005, 12:06 PM
wasnt this an aqua teen episode?

judicial clerk
04-07-2005, 12:19 PM
If we give that blind doctor a pair of underoos and one of these microwave guns, he could be a super hero. But what would his name be?

st.cronin
04-07-2005, 12:21 PM
Dr. Strangeray

sterlingice
04-07-2005, 03:20 PM
You see, “non-lethal weapons” (as things like ADS are called) are not one hundred percent non-lethal.
My favorite line in the article. :)

SI

sterlingice
04-07-2005, 03:21 PM
What you have to do is make a suit out of the little cardboard thing in which you microwave the hot pocket. Except turn it inside out, so the special lining is on the OUTSIDE, hense reflecting the microwaves back onto your attackers!
Here's some help for you getting started: Dillon's has buy-1-get-1-free on hot pockets this week. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

SI

tategter
04-08-2005, 11:31 AM
Do they have a miniature version that I can put on my desk at work?

cuervo72
04-08-2005, 11:41 AM
Miniature hot pockets? BRILLIANT!

Desnudo
04-08-2005, 02:38 PM
What you have to do is make a suit out of the little cardboard thing in which you microwave the hot pocket. Except turn it inside out, so the special lining is on the OUTSIDE, hense reflecting the microwaves back onto your attackers!

Lets get some cats and a microwave and begin testing.

rkmsuf
04-08-2005, 02:40 PM
Lets get some cats and a microwave and begin testing.

The testing phase is always the most fun.

sterlingice
04-08-2005, 02:40 PM
Lets get some cats and a microwave and begin testing.
No thread with these words has ever been bad. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

SI

Fritz
04-09-2005, 07:40 AM
No thread with these words has ever been bad. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

SI

Well, things did not work out so well for Cam in the "erectile dysfuntion" thread.