Thoughts on the upcoming NFL Draft?

[Logan]

Rodgers.

[cthomer5000]

What are the 49ers really doing at #1? Every single publication I read seems to have them taking Aaron Rodgers, but they just had Alex Smith in for a second workout for them. Now, does that mean they're now leaning towards Smith? Does it mean they're pretty damn sure about Rodgers but wanted to be sure by seeing Smith again? Does it mean they want Rodgers' agent to think they want Smith and therefore some to a contract agreement quicker? Can they be serious about potentially taking Braylon Edwards?

My gut feeling is that the draft will be as wild as last year's, where there were probably the most surprises I've ever personally seen. It was some pretty compelling viewing last year, especially since even the #1 pick was in question up until the minute was made.

[General Mike]

I have no clue what the 49ers are thinking. Personally I don't think any of these QBs are worth taking in the top 5. 49ers have alot of holes and they should go best available player.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I have no clue what the 49ers are thinking. Personally I don't think any of these QBs are worth taking in the top 5. 49ers have alot of holes and they should go best available player.
Who do you think that is? Braylon Edwards?

[General Mike]

Who do you think that is? Braylon Edwards?

Probably. A strong case could be made for Ronnie Brown tho, IMO.

The problem with this draft is there's no great QBs, no great OLs and no great DLs. I mean there have been years when there were no QBs, but at least there were linemen worth taking #1.

[ice4277]

I think they will end up taking Rodgers, but if I were in their shoes I would be doing everything in my power to try and trade out of the pick. But I just don't see why a team could possibly want to move up to that position this year.

[DeToxRox]

I'd say it too is Braylon. He does it all. He carries himself remarkably (Best Damn Sports Show anyone?) and his attitude cannot be in question.

He's deserving of the #1 in my opinion.

[mckerney]

Probably. A strong case could be made for Ronnie Brown tho, IMO.

The problem with this draft is there's no great QBs, no great OLs and no great DLs. I mean there have been years when there were no QBs, but at least there were linemen worth taking #1.

It's not exactly the ideal year to have the top pick, that's for sure. There's no clear cut #1, though there's 8-10 top players that seem like they could go in almost any order. Also without Leinhart, there's no elite quarterback but two very good qbs. Personally, I think with their situations the '9ers will end up going with Smith, though I like Braylon Edwards and Derrick Johnson more than anyone else in the draft.

[TazFTW]

What are the 49ers really doing at #1? Every single publication I read seems to have them taking Aaron Rodgers, but they just had Alex Smith in for a second workout for them. Now, does that mean they're now leaning towards Smith? Does it mean they're pretty damn sure about Rodgers but wanted to be sure by seeing Smith again? Does it mean they want Rodgers' agent to think they want Smith and therefore some to a contract agreement quicker? Can they be serious about potentially taking Braylon Edwards?

My gut feeling is that the draft will be as wild as last year's, where there were probably the most surprises I've ever personally seen. It was some pretty compelling viewing last year, especially since even the #1 pick was in question up until the minute was made.
It'll be whoever's agent asks for the least amount of cash. I don't see York becoming a spender.

[Schmidty]

Derrick Johnson at #10. I hope.

[DeToxRox]

Derrick Johnson at #10. I hope.

i echo those same sentiments

[Draft Dodger]

My gut feeling is that the draft will be as wild as last year's, where there were probably the most surprises I've ever personally seen. It was some pretty compelling viewing last year, especially since even the #1 pick was in question up until the minute was made.

I feel exactly the same way.

[mckerney]

Derrick Johnson at #10. I hope.

If Braylon is gone at 7 (which I expect him to be), I'm hoping for Johnson at 7. He'd be another step toward completing the defensive upgrades the Vikings have made.

[Noop]

The Dolphins need to trade down and get more picks. But knowing the Dolphins there will be a cluster fuck that has me confused by their choice.

[rjolley]

The Dolphins need to trade down and get more picks. But knowing the Dolphins there will be a cluster fuck that has me confused by their choice.
They must be following the Bears' rules.

[Celeval]

I'll go on a mini-limb here.

Alex Smith to SF at #1
Aaron Rodgers to Miami at #2
Cleveland trades out so someone can take Ronnie Brown

[Swaggs]

Whoever gets Pacman Jones will become one of my new favorite teams.*


*Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Patriots, and Cowboys do not qualify for this offer.

[TazFTW]

Cross out the following from your draft lists,

Pro Football Weekly is reporting that the NFL has informed all NFL teams that four players failed drug tests at the scouting combine in Indianapolis earlier this year. All four reportedly tested positive for marijuana. Among the quartet is Wisconsin DT Anttaj Hawthorne, a potential second round pick at the 2005 draft. Also testing positive were Hawthorne’s Wisconsin teammate, OG Jonathan Clinkscale, along with Clemson DT Eric Coleman and Bowie State DB Atcheson Conway.

ESPN is reporting that Northwestern DT Luis Castillo, one of the rising stars of the 2005 draft, tested positive for steroids at the scouting combine in Indianapolis in February. Castillo has reportedly owned up to the steroid use in a letter to all 32 NFL teams. Castillo claims that he used the steriods following the 2004 season to hasten the healing a nagging elbow injury.

[sovereignstar]

Now four guys could definitely get away with robbing a grave.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Derrick Johnson at #10. I hope.
Agreed.

Despite the fact that he's considered pretty weak at the point of the attack, no other prospect at the 10 spot excites me more. I love linebackers and I love defensive speed. I'd be excited. I'd also be happy with Antrell Rolle if he dropped or maybe one of the DE's (Merriman?). The pick that excites me least is Alex Barron. I know the importance of a good O-line, but O-line picks are rarely exciting and I am not sold on Barron at all. He has bust written all over him.

[JeeberD]

Derrick Johnson at #10. I hope.

Please let him drop to #11...

[TazFTW]

Please let him drop to #11...
word.

[Ksyrup]

My thought is that I'll be driving back and forth between Tallahassee and Valdosta that day to a kid's birthday party rather than watching the draft. I think that sucks.

[Honolulu_Blue]

My thought is that I'll be driving back and forth between Tallahassee and Valdosta that day to a kid's birthday party rather than watching the draft. I think that sucks.
I hear that...

I have missed the draft for the last THREE years. First year in Belgium, no internet. Second year in Belgium, friend's parents come into town, big night out. Third year in Belgium, good friend's house warming party. (Note the six hour time difference kills me here). This year, finally back in the good ole US of A, the draft looking like a sure thing... All of a sudden a good friend's wife sends an email and says she wants to surprise my friend on his b-day by taking him to DC and having his brother and my brother and sister-in-law come to DC to surprise them. So the entire weekend is shot. It will be a great time, but no time for draft watching as only me and my brother are football fans... :(

[TLK]

Derrick Johnson at #10. I hope.
I'm almost hoping that Johnson is gone when the Lions select at #10. Alex Barron would be a perfect fit on the Lions O-Line. Barron is ready to go, and that's more than I can say for anyone trying to fill McDougle's spot. Justin Tuck would be a nice value pick in the second round, depending what position he ends up playing...

[General Mike]

Please let Ernie Accorsi finally make a good pick.

[Darkiller]

No way a WR is worth the #1 overall pick.
There's a reason why QBs have gone #1 overall 7 times over the past 8 years : we are in the free-agency era and this is a Quarterback's league. Like it or not, it starts and ends with the quarterback position.

When you have two potential franchise caliber QB (that could be very good) like Rodgers and Smith, you gotta to take your chance on one of them at #1.
If not trade the pick away (if that's possible). But don't get a WR or a CB at #1, that's throwing money out of the windows.

Jon Gruden, who's said to be an offensive guru, thinks so high of both quarterbacks that he would like to trade up from the #5 pick so to grab either one that's left. He said Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith are outstanding players and definite franchise quarterbacks...

[Darkiller]

dola.

As a 49er fan, I WANT the Niners to pick one of the QB #1.
I'd be really disapointed if it turns out to be Braylon Edwards or if SF trades the pick and gets, say, Antrel Rolle at #5 in a trade with Tampa.
HOWEVER, if the 49ers can trade down a few spots and STILL get either Rodgers or Smith, then i'll be delighted ! That's unlikely though.
so stay where you are, and use that #1 overall pick on the best QB. As a matter of fact, I like them both an aweful lot. For various reasons, but I like them both and would be thrilled with either of them.

Aaron Rodgers being a Cal QB and growing up a 49er fan in the Bay Area makes him a "natural" so I might be biased 51-49 for Rodgers over Smith

[ice4277]

Alex Barron would be a perfect fit on the Lions O-Line. Barron is ready to go, and that's more than I can say for anyone trying to fill McDougle's spot. Justin Tuck would be a nice value pick in the second round, depending what position he ends up playing...
I'm in agreement with you, I would like to see them take Barron. O-line is the one spot where I think we have a relatively decent-sized hole to fill. Barring that, and assuming they don't trade down, I think Johnson or Merriman would be a good pickup as well.

[Galaril]

I hope the Titans go after either Mike Williams WR or Rolle CB with the #6 pick. Though I think they will most likely try to ttrade down some to get a mid round 1st and a another 2nd rounder.

[albionmoonlight]

I have a sense that SF has their short list and now they are just keeping people in the dark in order to try to drive down a contract price. Playing Rodgers and Smith off each other while keeping Edwards in the mix is not a bad plan, if they manage to get the guy that they want and not piss him off by trying to lowball him too much.

[stevew]

Why is Ronnie Brown viewed as a better prospect than Cadillac Williams, even though he couldnt start over him at Auburn? I dont watch much college football at all, if any.....did they play together in a lot of sets?

[scooper]

Why is Ronnie Brown viewed as a better prospect than Cadillac Williams, even though he couldnt start over him at Auburn? I dont watch much college football at all, if any.....did they play together in a lot of sets?
He's a bigger, stronger back, which NFL teams like, without giving up much speed. He's also a better receiver and blocker. Williams has more home run potential, but Brown is seen as the better overall back for NFL purposes. The difference in their rankings is so miniscule, however, that it comes down to preference of the first team to take one of them. Either way, the pick can't be criticized.

[albionmoonlight]

Now that Arizona, Cincinatti, and Indy all have real football guys in charge, who is going to make completely stupid picks on draft day?

Matt Millen has potential, but he lacks the style of those old draft bunglers. Besides, Mooch probably will have the Lions drafting just fine now that he is on board.

[Ragone]

Now that Arizona, Cincinatti, and Indy all have real football guys in charge, who is going to make completely stupid picks on draft day?

Matt Millen has potential, but he lacks the style of those old draft bunglers. Besides, Mooch probably will have the Lions drafting just fine now that he is on board.


Minnesota always does a good job of screwing up draft day..

[Samdari]

He's a bigger, stronger back, which NFL teams like, without giving up much speed. He's also a better receiver and blocker. Williams has more home run potential, but Brown is seen as the better overall back for NFL purposes. The difference in their rankings is so miniscule, however, that it comes down to preference of the first team to take one of them. Either way, the pick can't be criticized.

Actually, Brown is bigger AND faster than Cadilac, and considered a better pass catcher. Because of his 40 times, Brown was the star of the combine.

[scooper]

Now that Arizona, Cincinatti, and Indy all have real football guys in charge, who is going to make completely stupid picks on draft day?

Matt Millen has potential, but he lacks the style of those old draft bunglers. Besides, Mooch probably will have the Lions drafting just fine now that he is on board.
The Lions have drafted well the last few years, though the jury is still out on Harrington.

The Browns have held the title of poor drafters since re-entering the league but I'd have to think Savage will improve that.

With two first round chances to miss picking in their alloted time, the Vikings certainly are a team to watch on day one.

[scooper]

Actually, Brown is bigger AND faster than Cadilac, and considered a better pass catcher. Because of his 40 times, Brown was the star of the combine.
True, Brown has better straight line speed. Cadillac seems to accelerate faster and is shiftier.

Choosing between the two of them is like accepting a lotter payout in increments of $100 or $50. You'll get there a different way, but you'll get there.

[mckerney]

dola.

As a 49er fan, I WANT the Niners to pick one of the QB #1.
I'd be really disapointed if it turns out to be Braylon Edwards or if SF trades the pick and gets, say, Antrel Rolle at #5 in a trade with Tampa.
HOWEVER, if the 49ers can trade down a few spots and STILL get either Rodgers or Smith, then i'll be delighted ! That's unlikely though.
so stay where you are, and use that #1 overall pick on the best QB. As a matter of fact, I like them both an aweful lot. For various reasons, but I like them both and would be thrilled with either of them.

Aaron Rodgers being a Cal QB and growing up a 49er fan in the Bay Area makes him a "natural" so I might be biased 51-49 for Rodgers over Smith



Are either of these QBs really worth the top overall pick? I think it'd be better to take one of the best players available that potentially reach on a franchise QB. I think the '9ers could be better off by taking Edwards and then targeting Campbell of Frye in the second. Trading down a few spots may not work so well as there may not be much of a market, and with this draft class the top pick seems a little less valuable. With the exception of Derrick Johnson at LB each of the top 10 players has a counterpart at the same position that most teams would be just as happy with.

[wishbone]

I keep hoping the 49ers don't draft a QB early. I think they have other holes to fill. They can let Rattay or Dorsey sink or swim for another year while they bolster the rest of the team. If Leinart is available in a supplemental draft, take him. If Rattay/Dorsey fails, you have a shot at Leinart next year anyway

I don't care about value or think they have to draft a QB #1 because everyone else does. Rick Mirer, Ryan Leaf, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Donovan McNabb and Drew Bledsoe all looked like #1s coming out and none of them have won a Super Bowl. The 49ers should find the best player for their team regardless of position.

[Fritz]

He's a bigger, stronger back, which NFL teams like, without giving up much speed. He's also a better receiver and blocker. Williams has more home run potential, but Brown is seen as the better overall back for NFL purposes. The difference in their rankings is so miniscule, however, that it comes down to preference of the first team to take one of them. Either way, the pick can't be criticized.

I would take the one who sounds like his name will be used in HOF
type talk. "Ronnie Brown" is a HOF name. "Cadilac" is a "where are they now" kind of name.

[JasonC23]

I've thought long and hard about the upcoming NFL draft, and I can safely say that I am 100% for it.

[timmynausea]

A girl in my high school raised her hand one day and asked how can the NFL draft be legal. We had no idea what she meant until she said "I just don't see how they can pick people and force them to play football." We had to explain that it wasn't so much like a military draft. True story.
Also I will probably watch the draft this year just to see where Pacman and Chris Henry end up.

[General Mike]

I keep hoping the 49ers don't draft a QB early. I think they have other holes to fill. They can let Rattay or Dorsey sink or swim for another year while they bolster the rest of the team. If Leinart is available in a supplemental draft, take him. If Rattay/Dorsey fails, you have a shot at Leinart next year anyway

I don't care about value or think they have to draft a QB #1 because everyone else does. Rick Mirer, Ryan Leaf, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Donovan McNabb and Drew Bledsoe all looked like #1s coming out and none of them have won a Super Bowl. The 49ers should find the best player for their team regardless of position.

Are you comparing Manning, Bledsoe and McNabb to those other clowns? Cause Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl and he's arguably the best ever. There's alot of great QBs who never won a super bowl, and a lot of average ones who did.

[henry296]

A girl in my high school raised her hand one day and asked how can the NFL draft be legal. We had no idea what she meant until she said "I just don't see how they can pick people and force them to play football." We had to explain that it wasn't so much like a military draft. True story.
Also I will probably watch the draft this year just to see where Pacman and Chris Henry end up.

The amazing thing is she was very close to asking a very interesting question. If she had said, "I just don't see how they can pick people and force them to play for a certain team. Collective Bargaining is the only reason a draft is legal. Could you imagine if Accounting Firms had a draft of eligible accounting majors.

Todd

[Francis_Cole]

They are not forced to actually play for that team though are they.
You could question if its legal to stop someone playing for another team for 1 year though once they are drafted

[TazFTW]

Possible trade?

Saban ready to deal at No. 2

BY ARMANDO SALGUERO AND JASON COLE, [email protected]

The Dolphins are focused on drafting Utah quarterback Alex Smith with the second overall pick, but Miami also is in discussions with at least one team about trading that selection.


One source said Thursday that coach Nick Saban has decided Smith -- not any of the likely available running backs such as Auburn's Ronnie Brown -- would be the best pick for Miami at No. 2, assuming California quarterback Aaron Rodgers is drafted by San Francisco.

But two league sources also confirmed the Dolphins and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have discussed a possible trade involving both teams' first-round selections and other considerations.


The Bucs, who pick fifth overall, are apparently equally enamored with the idea of selecting Smith at No. 2. Tampa Bay's brain trust decided last weekend Smith is a better prospect than Rodgers.


The Bucs' interest became more serious Thursday after it seemed likely the 49ers will take Rodgers, leaving Smith available. The 49ers had contract discussions with Mike Sullivan, who represents Rodgers, on Wednesday, and the discussions reportedly laid a positive foundation for a deal.


Tom Condon, who represents Smith, was scheduled to fly to San Francisco on Thursday to try to lay a similar foundation for his client, but the league sources say that session doesn't offer the same prospect for success as the one with Rodgers' agent.


Assuming that scenario holds, the Bucs want to move up. But the price, as with all such trades, would be the subject of intense negotiations.


A FAIR EXCHANGE


The Dolphins, like all other NFL teams, have a trade-value chart that outlines the price for trading draft picks.


Saban said two weeks ago he would "absolutely" go by that chart in deciding the value of a trade.


And according to most such charts, Tampa Bay would have to give up its first, second and third-round picks this year to move up three slots to Miami's spot.


The teams also might discuss exchanging draft picks next year should the Bucs balk at making the three-for-one deal now.


The Dolphins also are going to try to involve other teams in the bidding process to drive up the price of a trade, although it is unclear whether any other team has stepped forward.


So what if that all fails?


Smith, who visited with Saban and other team staffers Wednesday and Thursday, according to Condon, is the apparent choice.


QB OR NOT QB?


Saban has said the quarterback is the most valued player on any team.


"That guy handles the ball every time, he makes a decision on every play," he said during the NFL owners' meetings last month. "So it's a critical position in terms of not just stability but knowledge, experience, judgment, making good decisions and that type of thing.


"We feel we have some talented people on our team right now, but everybody has to prove they can play with consistency."


That doesn't mean Smith is a can't-miss prospect. He played in a college offense that rarely used anything other than a shotgun spread formation. And Saban has bemoaned the odds of taking a quarterback with such an early pick.


"The history of drafting [successful] quarterbacks in the first round is a 30-percent hit," Saban said. "I don't know what the odds are on a craps table in Vegas, but I know about that one."

[judicial clerk]

That would be a great move for Miami. Move down and still get one of the running backs or a wideout if that is what they want and get some more help in later rounds. All the experts are saying this is a deep draft.

[albionmoonlight]

Saban said two weeks ago he would "absolutely" go by that chart in deciding the value of a trade.Unless everything that we have been hearing is wrong, Tampa Bay would be foolish to accept a "chart value" trade. All the talk has said that this is a buyer's market for teams who want to move up. Of course, if there is a late run of multiple teams interested in Smith, San Francisco should move to take advantage of that and not let Miami steal that thunder.

[WrongWay]

If you could throw Philip Rivers back into this draft where would you put him at? I am asking as I could easily see the 49ers trading their #1. This would be a win-win situation considering all the cap money the 49ers would save.

Also, where do you see Mike Williams going.

[tucker342]

The 49ers should take either Matt Roth or David Bradley (Iowa's punter last year) number one:D

[WrongWay]

Actually I am really looking forward to Day 2 in this years draft.

For my team the Steelers I am hoping they can pick up their feature back of the future in Day 2. I am completely in love with RB Nehemiah Broughton as a back that could develop into a typical Steeler power back and rack up a few 1,500+ yard seasons. I wouldn't mind them picking up Brandon Jacobs either, although I think he is too tall

Day 1 will having me closing my eyes chanting not Heath Miller, Please for the love of god NOT Miller.

[scooper]

Actually I am really looking forward to Day 2 in this years draft.

For my team the Steelers I am hoping they can pick up their feature back of the future in Day 2.
This is the year to do just that. Deepest RB class I can remember.

As a Bengals fan, I also hope the Steelers don't nab Heath Miller. As they don't have anybody on the roster yet that can cover elite TE's.

[wishbone]

Are you comparing Manning, Bledsoe and McNabb to those other clowns? Cause Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl and he's arguably the best ever. There's alot of great QBs who never won a super bowl, and a lot of average ones who did.

I am comparing them by saying that all of them were thought to be franchise QBs and were taken at the top of the draft in recent years. A franchise's goal is to win the Super Bowl (ideally). The 49ers should not get locked into taking a QB at #1 just because it is a premium position. They need to take the best player that fills their biggest need. Personally, I think they have bigger needs at CB, DL, or WR. I think if they draft a QB #1, they will have a San Diego situation where they have two young QBs who need to play and are both getting a high salary.

The fact is, that nobody knows where these guys (Smith and Rodgers) will end up. You could take a guy anywhere in the draft and he could turn into a Pro Bowler, Hall of Famer or crap. Am I saying that the Dolphins made a poor choice by selecting Dan Marino because he didn't win the Super Bowl? No, he is one of the top QBs to play the game. Marino is a prime example of a guy who ended up being better than people thought, look who was taken ahead of him and what they did. He was taken with the 27th pick and was the 6th QB taken. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1983

[Noop]

Man the Dolphins are dumb Alex Smith from what I have heard is a bit overrated. The Dolphins need to trade this pick and get more draft picks and pick AD in the second or third round if they want a QB that bad.

[JasonC23]

The 49ers should take either Matt Roth or David Bradley (Iowa's punter last year) number one:D
The lone voice of reason in this whole thread. I like the way you think, tucker342.

Here we go, Hawkeyes, here we go! <clap> <clap>

Actually, I have a serious question...when is Roth projected to be drafted? Anyone know?

[albionmoonlight]

If you could throw Philip Rivers back into this draft where would you put him at? I am asking as I could easily see the 49ers trading their #1. This would be a win-win situation considering all the cap money the 49ers would save.

Also, where do you see Mike Williams going.
San Diego just payed a roster bonus to Rivers after the season. If they had intended to trade him, they would have done it before taking that extra cap hit.

I think that the 49ers would jump at this trade, but I see it as a negative for San Diego to pay the accelerated cap cost of Rivers and then have to take on the salary of a #1 pick.

[rkmsuf]

San Diego just payed a roster bonus to Rivers after the season. If they had intended to trade him, they would have done it before taking that extra cap hit.

I think that the 49ers would jump at this trade, but I see it as a negative for San Diego to pay the accelerated cap cost of Rivers and then have to take on the salary of a #1 pick.

Will never happen.

If the 49ers keep the pick, which seems likely just because of the lack of takers, they almost have to go qb and hope they make the right choice. For that kind of money you have to gamble on getting the quarterback.

[WrongWay]

San Diego just payed a roster bonus to Rivers after the season
Are you sure on this? A roster bonus for a 1st round pick, after the 1st year? I understand the lost bonus money on his Rookie contract, but they can't keep both Brees and Rivers.

[rkmsuf]

Are you sure on this? A roster bonus for a 1st round pick, after the 1st year? I understand the lost bonus money on his Rookie contract, but they can't keep both Brees and Rivers.

They've already said that's exactly what they are going to do. They have the cap space.

[albionmoonlight]

Are you sure on this? A roster bonus for a 1st round pick, after the 1st year? I understand the lost bonus money on his Rookie contract, but they can't keep both Brees and Rivers.
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8345324

In March, they paid him a 6.6 million dollar roster bonus. There may have been a chance at the trade before that bonus. Not now.

[mckerney]

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8345324

In March, they paid him a 6.6 million dollar roster bonus. There may have been a chance at the trade before that bonus. Not now.

I think it's likely that this was the 2nd installment of his signing bonus as opposed to being a roster bonus.

[General Mike]

On the ESPN SportsCenter draft special today, they said TB is talking about trading for Travis Henry, and moving up to #2 to take Alex Smith.

Also, Alex Smith has asked for more money than Eli Manning got from the Giants last year. Rodgers has made no such demands, yet.

[Swaggs]

I read that teams are going to have a tough time signing players this season, because the current collective bargaining agreement only runs for five more years, so it will be more difficult for teams to spread signing bonuses out.

[DeToxRox]

So the general consensus on here is that the top 3 guys in the draft are (In no order) Derrick Johnson, Braylon Edwards and Ronnie Brown.

Would you guys have a problem with SF picking one of them #1?

[DeToxRox]

Dola. To answer my own question I think SF couldn't go wrong with any of those guys.

They need a WR, and Braylon isn't just a deep threat. He can do a lot of stuff, and I could see him getting 70 + catches and 900 yards with 6-7 TD his rookie year to be honest.

Derrick Johnson and Julian Peterson would make a great LB duo, but then Peterson seemingly being unhappy in the Bay, DJ would be the perfect guy to take over for him.

Ronnie Brown seems like he could take a big load for the Niners. Barlow is solid but Brown seems to be a guy who could be a franchise player, and you really need a franchise guy if you're the Niners.

[General Mike]

I hope the 9ers take the guy they think is best, not the best guy they can sign to their demands. If they think Rodgers is the best player in the draft, they should take him. Same with any other player.

[DeToxRox]

I hope the 9ers take the guy they think is best, not the best guy they can sign to their demands. If they think Rodgers is the best player in the draft, they should take him. Same with any other player.

Indeed. But my concern for them is Rodgers will have to play right away if they pick him. It's a risky proposition considering other guys who've been in the same situation and crashed and burned.

[General Mike]

Indeed. But my concern for them is Rodgers will have to play right away if they pick him. It's a risky proposition considering other guys who've been in the same situation and crashed and burned.

True. They could go Braylon or one of the RBs at 1, and then take a guy Like Charlie Frye in the 2nd.

[Terrell Owens]

If TO was in this draft, he'd go BEFORE #1 overall.

[Logan]

If Miami is really considering taking Alex Smith at #2, that is actually the best possible scenario for the 49ers. Many people think Cleveland would want Smith at #3, and if they prefer him over Rodgers, maybe they and the Niners can work something out to swap picks. Then Miami can either take Rodgers, trade the pick to someone who wants Rodgers, or take the popular RB choice in Brown. That would leave Rodgers for the Niners at #3, where he will be cheaper, and come along with an extra pick from the trade.

Further, if in that scenario, Miami takes Rodgers, the Niners at #3 can either take Edwards or trade back down again, maybe trading with Tampa who can move up to 3 and take Ronnie Brown. Dropping down to #5 would, at worst, leave them with either Edwards or Mike Williams. If the Niners leave the 1st round with Williams/Edwards and 2 additional (3rd round?) picks, I would consider it a huge success.

[TazFTW]

The Dolphins interest in Alex Smith could also mean the following (from Rotoworld),

Trade interest in Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander could pick up in the next week, especially from the Dolphins.
ESPN.com, through Scouts Inc., reports Miami could be interested in dealing a 2006 first rounder for James or Alexander. Just don't expect any action before draft day

[General Mike]

Vikings are interested in moving up in the draft to take Braylon Edwards

[rkmsuf]

Vikings are interested in moving up in the draft to take Braylon Edwards

According to Peter King the word on the street is Vikings moving up for a running back.

[General Mike]

According to Peter King the word on the street is Vikings moving up for a running back.

I thought they already had 8 running backs.

[rkmsuf]

I thought they already had 8 running backs.

says Bennett isn't a tough enough between the tackles guy, Moore is shaky and Smith one test away from bannination.

I think Smith is by far their best back but drug problems could cloud the issue. Personally I'd trade Bennett in a second...I think he's a tulip. Moore is just a guy. Smallish, third downish.

[mckerney]

Vikings are interested in moving up in the draft to take Braylon Edwards

I'm not a big fan of the Vikes moving up, I think they'd be better off where they are. If they do, hopefully they won't give up too much as it seems to be a buyers market for moving up.

I've read some sources that have them interested in Brown, some in Edwards, neither would really surprise me. I think Bennett is gone after this season, and Moore and Smith haven't been the most reliable backs, but they also don't really have a #2 reciever right now. If they do move up, either one of those two would fit nicely, but I'm not sure either is worth giving up much for when Williams, and Benson or Cadilac should be available at 7.

[Samdari]

I think Smith is by far their best back but drug problems could cloud the issue. Personally I'd trade Bennett in a second...I think he's a tulip. Moore is just a guy. Smallish, third downish.

Moore was by far their most productive back last season.

[rkmsuf]

Moore was by far their most productive back last season.

Guy can be good in spots but put him out there for 250 carries and it will be a different story.

I certainly don't think the Vikings are convinced which is all that matters talking about them drafting a back.

[scooper]

I'm not a big fan of the Vikes moving up, I think they'd be better off where they are. If they do, hopefully they won't give up too much as it seems to be a buyers market for moving up.

I've read some sources that have them interested in Brown, some in Edwards, neither would really surprise me. I think Bennett is gone after this season, and Moore and Smith haven't been the most reliable backs, but they also don't really have a #2 reciever right now. If they do move up, either one of those two would fit nicely, but I'm not sure either is worth giving up much for when Williams, and Benson or Cadilac should be available at 7.
I'm with you. Moving up in the top 10 is much more costly than later in round one. If anything, they can stay put and take Cadillac or Benson then trade up from their second pick and nab Williamson. In this year's draft, the third or fourth WR is probably better than the fourth RB.

[mckerney]

Moore was by far their most productive back last season.

When he was healthy, he had 3 very productive games starting. Though they were against New Orleans (32nd ranked defense, 31st in Yards Per Carry), Tennessee (27th, 26th), and Houston (23rd, 23rd). He then was injured against the Giants in a game where he ran for 29 yards on 8 carries with 1 catch for 26 yards, and then got in the doghouse when he was percieved as taking too long to recover from the injury. He did play well last year, but especially with the durability concerns I don't think he showed enough to be considered the teams #1 runningback, though I do believe he'll be a valuable roleplayer in a Moe Williams type role.

[TazFTW]

Tampa Tribune reports that the Bucs are offering Ronde Barber and a 3rd round pick for Edgerrin James.

[dacman]

Tampa Tribune reports that the Bucs are offering Ronde Barber and a 3rd round pick for Edgerrin James.
SOLD!! :p

[TazFTW]

Len Pasquarelli is reporting that 4 NFL Sources are saying that the Niners' top choice is QB Alex Smith and have stepped up contract negotiations with his agent.

NFL Network has said the same thing.

[SteelerFan448]

As for the comment about where would Rivers be? Probably #1, but if I ranked him, no earlier than a third rounder, which is about where he should have went last year IMO.

I don't think the Steelers will go RB this year at all. They have Staley, Bettis, Haynes and Parker (who they want to get a strong look at). Next year would be a good bet for RB, but not this year. The Steelers should probably take a look at WR, CB, or a pass rushing LB. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Miller if he dropped that far, just because he is the number one rated player at his position.

[maximus]

Ronnie Brown is going at #4 to the Bears. :p

[RendeR]

You know what I like best about this draft?



NONE of you are talking about who the Bengals are gonna take!!!!!

[finkenst]

You know what I like best about this draft?



NONE of you are talking about who the Bengals are gonna take!!!!!
they'll just screw it up anyway. ;)

[mckerney]

I'm with you. Moving up in the top 10 is much more costly than later in round one. If anything, they can stay put and take Cadillac or Benson then trade up from their second pick and nab Williamson. In this year's draft, the third or fourth WR is probably better than the fourth RB.

I agree. I like Edwards more than any other player in the draft and would love to see him on the Vikings, but if taking him means moving up and trading the 18th pick I wouldn't be a fan of the move. I'd rather see the team that BPA if the top two wideouts are gone at 7 and then taking a guy like Clayton at 18.

[Sharpieman]

I'm really getting sick of everyone on ESPN saying that this draft is weak. How can they know that? How can they know that Rodgers or Smith or Edwards aren't franchise players before even being on the field for one snap? If the draft is truely a crapshoot, there is no way of telling how strong this draft is.

[TazFTW]

Redskins are talking about acquiring CB Philip Buchanon from the Raiders but they said it will not involve their #1.

Vikings have contacted San Fran, Miami, and Cleveland and inquired about their interest in trading their picks to the Vikings for the #7 and #18.

[General Mike]

Redskins are talking about acquiring CB Philip Buchanon from the Raiders but they said it will not involve their #1.

Vikings have contacted San Fran, Miami, and Cleveland and inquired about their interest in trading their picks to the Vikings for the #7 and #18.

Cleveland should do that.

[j51]

Redskins | Three Picks Sent to Broncos for First-round Pick - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:58:45 -0700

The Denver Broncos have traded their 2005 first-round pick, No. 25 overall, to the Washington Redskins in exchange for three draft choices. The Redskins will send the Broncos their third-round draft choice (No. 76 overall) in the 2005 NFL Draft along with their first-round and fourth-round selections in the 2006 NFL Draft.

[Swaggs]

Redskins | Three Picks Sent to Broncos for First-round Pick - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:58:45 -0700

The Denver Broncos have traded their 2005 first-round pick, No. 25 overall, to the Washington Redskins in exchange for three draft choices. The Redskins will send the Broncos their third-round draft choice (No. 76 overall) in the 2005 NFL Draft along with their first-round and fourth-round selections in the 2006 NFL Draft.

That's an odd deal. Wonder why they would do it now, rather than on draft day.

[TazFTW]

That's an odd deal. Wonder why they would do it now, rather than on draft day.

My guess would be that they use of their first rounders to get Philip Buchanon. Since they said they won't trade #9, #25 might work.

[edit]Doing the deal now means they can talk to the Raiders until their #9 selection, if a deal can be made their select another position. If it can't I would believe the Redskins would draft one of the top corners available at #9.


[double edit]I think the deal with the Broncos is stupid though.

[Danny]

Raiders and Texans agreed to a swap. Texans receive CB Phillip Buchanon and the raiders get the Texans 2nd and 3rd round draft choice in this draft. Very nice deal. Buchanon was a bust as a 1st rounder. It's not surprising his nickname in Raider cirlces is PBurnt. He does have talent at cornerback and is a god punt returner, but he's been a terrible starting CB since his rookie season.

[General Mike]

Texans ripped them off.

[Danny]

Texans ripped them off.

LOL, have you watched Buchanon play much? I am guessing not. He is an awful cover corner. He gets beat more than a slab of good beef.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Texans ripped them off.
Really? I think it's pretty fair. I don't think Buchannon has been all the great a corner post-injury.

[Balldog]

Redskins | Three Picks Sent to Broncos for First-round Pick - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:58:45 -0700

The Denver Broncos have traded their 2005 first-round pick, No. 25 overall, to the Washington Redskins in exchange for three draft choices. The Redskins will send the Broncos their third-round draft choice (No. 76 overall) in the 2005 NFL Draft along with their first-round and fourth-round selections in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Good deal for the Broncos, but WTF are the Redskins doing? Giving up three picks including a first for the #25 pick? Isn't this year's draft class considered pretty weak? Like Swaggs said, why trade now? The odds the player they want at 25 is available maybe slim.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe they are going to package the #25 and #9 pick to move up in possibly the Top 5?

[rkmsuf]

Can't figure out what Wash is doing.

at #9 they can get their corner if that's what they are looking for. I'd have to seriously question the logic of getting the 25th pick if it's just to take a receiver.

Maybe they have designs on one of the qbs.

[QuikSand]

Word is the Redskins are targeting the QB from Auburn.

[rkmsuf]

I guess that would figure at 25 then.

[albionmoonlight]

Word is the Redskins are targeting the QB from Auburn.
2 questions for people who watch the team more than I do.

What is wrong with Ramsey? I'm not saying that he is the answer, but it does not seem like he has had a chance to prove himself as the #1 QB on a team with a sane coach.

Second, why would a team trade into a specific pick a week before the draft and let everyone know that you are trading into that spot because you are targeting one particular player? Just in case someone wanted to jump in front of you?

[Samdari]

Other word is that they wanted both a WR and a CB, could not decide what to do with the 9 pick, so rather than make up their minds, they sold the farm to get both in the first round.

[rkmsuf]

Other word is that they wanted both a WR and a CB, could not decide what to do with the 9 pick, so rather than make up their minds, they sold the farm to get both in the first round.

I heard that and it makes zero sense to me. I mean say they take one of the stud corners. You are telling me that a wideout at 25 or 41 is any different? After Edwards and Williams there's probably 10 guys all about the same.

If they take wideout at 9 then they miss the top 3 corners and after that there are at least 10 guys all the same.

[Ksyrup]

From the Washington Post (via SI.com):

One NFL source who has spoken to officials from many clubs said he expected the Redskins to trade the first-round picks for a better selection that would allow them to draft Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards.

[rkmsuf]

From the Washington Post (via SI.com):

One NFL source who has spoken to officials from many clubs said he expected the Redskins to trade the first-round picks for a better selection that would allow them to draft Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards.

Mechanically that makes sense.

Building a football team wise I think it's moronic. They have no plan over there.

[Swaggs]

Miami is now reported to be very interested in trading down to pick up additional picks b/c they do not have a 2nd rounder this season and Saban has identified several holes. They could be a pretty good match for the Redskins to get Edwards.

I saw these two lines in the article and thought some of you all would appreciate them:

"I'd like to see a guy on offense," Feeley said. "That's just me being selfish. A skills guy would be nice."

If Saban keeps the No. 2 pick, he may indeed choose a "skills guy" - perhaps a replacement for Feeley.

[TazFTW]

Miami is now reported to be very interested in trading down to pick up additional picks b/c they do not have a 2nd rounder this season and Saban has identified several holes. They could be a pretty good match for the Redskins to get Edwards.

I saw these two lines in the article and thought some of you all would appreciate them:

"I'd like to see a guy on offense," Feeley said. "That's just me being selfish. A skills guy would be nice."

If Saban keeps the No. 2 pick, he may indeed choose a "skills guy" - perhaps a replacement for Feeley.
Why would he not trade with the Vikings then? Their 7 and 18 are way better than 9 and 25.

[Swaggs]

Why would he not trade with the Vikings then? Their 7 and 18 are way better than 9 and 25.

Don't ask me. :)

I would think the #9 and all the picks that the Redskins gave up to get the #25 would be even more attractive than the #9 and the #25.

[sovereignstar]

Why would he not trade with the Vikings then? Their 7 and 18 are way better than 9 and 25.

I highly doubt the Vikings would trade up for for any spot in front of them (including #1) for just the one pick. If they are giving up the #7 and #18 they are gonna want an additional mid-round pick. I suppose it could happen though if they are that much higher on Edwards and they don't want the Skins to get him.

[TazFTW]

From Scouts Inc. final mock draft,

11. Dallas Cowboys (6-10)
Demarcus Ware | DE | Troy
The Cowboys have been busy in free agency, addressing needs at defensive tackle (Jason Ferguson), quarterback (Drew Bledsoe) and cornerback (Anthony Henry). However, they are still in pursuit of upgrades at WR, offensive line (ROT) and OLB/DE. Ware's draft stock is skyrocketing after his impressive showing at the combine, and we think he's exactly the type of player coach Bill Parcells is looking for as the defense transitions from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Ware is a hybrid DE/OLB with explosive speed and loads of pass-rushing potential.
Other scenarios:
• Select DE/OLB Merriman.
• Select DE James.
• Select WR Williamson if he falls and if the pass rusher the team covets most is off the board.

20. Dallas Cowboys (6-10)
Thomas Davis* | S | Georgia
The Cowboys are rumored to have interest in trading out of this pick in order to acquire more Day 1 selections. Drafting a vertical receiver such as UAB's Roddy White also isn't out of the question. However, if they do stay put, the focus likely will remain on the defensive side of the ball, where coach Bill Parcells wants to get bigger and more physical. Davis is a good value late in the first round and is definitely a Parcells kind of player. Some teams consider Davis a weak-side linebacker, while others consider him a safety. The Cowboys have needs at both spots and could use Davis to plug one of them.
Other scenarios:
• Trade down and acquire an extra pick, ideally on Day 1 to make up for the third-round pick used on QB Drew Henson.
• Select the best available WR – Clayton or UAB's Roddy White.
• Select OT Brown.
• Select OT Barnes.
• Select FS Pool.

42. Dallas Cowboys (6-10)
Channing Crowder* | ILB | Florida
Crowder is still raw, and he has some character concerns, but he's a good athlete with size and a mean streak. If the Cowboys move to a 3-4, Crowder could help ease the transition.
So essentially they have the 'boys drafting 3 lbs. Right...

[TazFTW]

dola


25. Washington Redskins (from Denver) (6-10)
Fabian Washington* | DC | Nebraska
It made sense for Denver to trade out of this spot, because they still can get a good CB in the second round and they pick up an extra third-round pick this year, as well as Washington's first- and fourth-round picks in 2006. But for the Redskins, you don't make a trade for the 25th pick without an idea of what prospects will be available, and there's no way to know that three days before the draft. In our opinion, this move hints at a second deal in play for a veteran CB such as Charles Woodson, Darren Howard or John Abraham. If, however, the Redskins do hang on to this pick, their decision likely will come down to the best available DE or CB. In this scenario, Nebraska's Washington would be the pick. No player improved his stock at the combine more than Washington, who ran one of the fastest 40-yard dash times (4.25) in the history of the event. Washington doesn't have great size, but he is tough and has the athleticism, speed and ball skills the Redskins are searching for in Fred Smoot's eventual replacement.
Other scenarios:
• Trade this pick for a veteran CB (possibly Woodson) or DE (possibly Howard or Abraham).
• If the team takes a WR at No. 9, use this pick at CB (possibly Miller, if not Washington) or DE (possibly Cody or Roth).
• If they don't get a WR at No. 9 pick, they could use this pick on WR White.
• Washington also could consider Virginia TE Heath Miller.
• We're not buying the talk of Washington moving up to target Auburn QB Jason Campbell. One, why would coach Joe Gibbs want a developmental QB at this point in his career? Two, why leak word now that you want Campbell and give any other team who likes him the chance to move ahead of you?
That last bullet makes sense but when do the Redskins make sense?

51. Green Bay Packers (from New Orleans ) (10-6)
Charlie Frye | QB | Akron
If a good deal at the quarterback position presents itself, the Packers won't be afraid to pull the trigger for Brett Favre's heir apparent.
Arles would be happy.

[Cuckoo]

From Scouts Inc. final mock draft,

So essentially they have the 'boys drafting 3 lbs. Right...


I'd bet that the Cowboys will trade down with their 20th pick, maybe out of the first round entirely and pick up a couple picks in the 2nd/3rd.

With the 11 pick, they'll almost certainly take a pass-rusher (DE/LB). I can see Ware, but I'd bet on Merriman. There's a chance Merriman won't be there, though, as it seems like his stock is really rising.

I don't see them taking Davis, and I bet they look WR or Safety in the second round. Just my opinion from all I've read.

[mckerney]

7. Minnesota Vikings (from Raiders) (8-8)
Troy Williamson* | WR | South Carolina
The Vikings have few needs to address, and thanks to the Randy Moss trade can really focus in on them with two first-round picks. This projected pick might come as a surprise with Mike Williams still on the board, but the Vikings are looking for a vertical threat, and Williamson gives them more deep speed than Williams. Williamson is a player on the rise after running in the 4.3s at the combine. He has the size, long arms, hands and explosive speed to quickly develop into a deep threat in the NFL, and he could eventually team up with Nate Burleson and Travis Taylor to form an impressive young trio of wide receivers.
Other scenarios:
• RB Ronnie Brown is rated ahead of Williamson and Mike Williams, so in the unlikely scenario that he fell, the Vikings would draft Brown, despite their log-jam at running back.
• If they get a reasonable deal, they could move into the top five and select WR Edwards, who they rate as the No. 1 WR in this class.
• Stay at No. 7 and select WR Mike Williams.

Please no. Always be wary of wideouts whose 40 time launches them up draft boards. Williams would be a much better pick here.

18. Minnesota Vikings (8-8)
David Pollack | DE | Georgia
Pollack might lack ideal size and top-end speed, but he has the quickness, power and playmaking instincts to contribute immediately in the NFL. The Vikings would be elated to walk away from the first round having found a vertical threat at wide receiver (Williamson at No. 7) and a pass-rushing upgrade opposite last year's first-round pick, Kenechi Udeze.
Other scenarios:
• If they don't get a WR with their first selection (No. 7), the Vikings could select Oklahoma's Mark Clayton here.
• DS Davis is a strong possibility if they get a WR with their first pick and if the right fit at DE doesn't fall to them here.
• Other DEs who could be available include James and Oklahoma's Dan Cody.

Still not really sold on Pollack this early.

80. Minnesota: Mike Nugent | PK | Ohio State.

This would make me happy, but I'd be surprised if he's there at 80.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Can I get a link to Scouts.com final draft? I'm an insider, but can't find it for the life of me...

[mckerney]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/news/story?id=2041446

[Honolulu_Blue]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/news/story?id=2041446
Thanks, Mcdaddy... May your Vikings draft poorly! :D

[Arles]

Arles would be happy.
I'll gladly take Frye at No. 51. But I doubt he will be there. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see GB trade down from #24 as well.

[streetballer22]

From Scouts Inc. final mock draft,

So essentially they have the 'boys drafting 3 lbs. Right...

I wouldn't worry about the Crowder pick, he should be off the board by then.

[DeToxRox]

Lions getting Derrick Johnson or Antrel Rolle is excellent.

We just signed that LT from the 49ers so with him and then Rogers and Butler, there is no way we draft Barron #10.

[Schmidty]

We just signed that LT from the 49ers so with him and then Rogers and Butler, there is no way we draft Barron #10.

Thank goodness, since I think Barron will be a HUGE bust.

[Arles]

24. Green Bay Packers (10-6)

Travis Johnson | DT | Florida State
Johnson could slip due to a crass attitude and some character issues. But at pick No. 24, he would be a steal for the Packers. After struggling through some off-field issues that affected his play early in his career at FSU, Johnson had a breakout season as a fulltime starter in 2004. In our opinion, he's the best defensive tackle in this year's draft class, and he has a chance to make a huge impact early in his NFL career. He's a one-gap penetrating DT with enough bulk and strength to hold the point of attack. The Packers would like to find a legitimate pass rusher opposite Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, but in this scenario there isn't one left to draft. By adding Johnson, the team would upgrade the size and depth of its interior run defense, which is just as big a concern.
Other scenarios:
• Trade down and accumulate picks, which is GM Ted Thompson's preferred method.
• Select DS Davis.
• Select the best available DE -- possibly Cody or Roth.
• Select FS Pool.
• Select QB's Jason Campbell (Auburn) or Charlie Frye (Akron).
• Select Blackstock or Tennessee OLB Kevin Burnett.
If Davis was there, I would like to see GB take him. Otherwise, I am fine with Johnson, Roth or trading down. No QB here, though.

51. Green Bay Packers (from New Orleans ) (10-6)

Charlie Frye | QB | Akron
If a good deal at the quarterback position presents itself, the Packers won't be afraid to pull the trigger for Brett Favre's heir apparent
cool with this

58. Green Bay Packers (from New Orleans ) (10-6)

Matt McCoy* | OLB | San Diego State McCoy is a late-riser, but his impressive combination of instincts and athletic ability could land him in the second round to a team desperate for linebacker help.
Not a bad pick, but I would prefer TE Alex Smith if their board was right. McCoy is a bit of a reach in the 2nd. I would love to see Kevin Burnett or Daryl Blackstock slip to either 51 or 58 though.

[Easy Mac]

Anyone know who the Pats are going for? Last I heard, it was Justin Miller from Clemson (DB). I'd think with all their morals, they'd back off from that after his latest transgression.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/11438358.htm

This on top of the drunk driving arrest he's previously had. And the fact that during the Clemson-Carolina fight, cameras caught him going up behind about 10 different Carolina player and punching them... no wait, let the Pats draft him... ruin the team!!!

[DeToxRox]

Thank goodness, since I think Barron will be a HUGE bust.

Indeed. I am hopeful somehow, some way DJ falls to 10. He'd give us the best young crop of LB in the NFL, and not to mention the fastest.

[DeToxRox]

Anyone know who the Pats are going for? Last I heard, it was Justin Miller from Clemson (DB). I'd think with all their morals, they'd back off from that after his latest transgression.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/11438358.htm

This on top of the drunk driving arrest he's previously had. And the fact that during the Clemson-Carolina fight, cameras caught him going up behind about 10 different Carolina player and punching them... no wait, let the Pats draft him... ruin the team!!!

32. New England Patriots (14-2)
Justin Miller | DC | Clemson
The Patriots have a bigger need at inside linebacker, but coach Bill Belichick won't fall into that trap on draft day. Thurman and Crowder are possibilities, but their respective character and mental-capacity issues are red flags for a team that weighs intangibles and intelligence so heavily in its personnel analysis. Rather than taking a chance, look for the Patriots to draft the best available player at pick No. 32. In this scenario, Miller would be an ideal fit. Not only does he address a need at cornerback, he also can help provide a much-needed spark in the return game.
Other scenarios:
• Select best available DC – possibly Jackson or Washington.
• Select best available ILB – possibly Thurman, Crowder or Nebraska's Barrett Ruud.
• Select best available OL – OT Barnes if he slips, or OG Baas, OT Johnson or Virginia OG Elton Brown.


64. New England Patriots (14-2)
Logan Mankins | OG | Fresno State
Mankins is a solid athlete with good technique and a mean streak – just the way the Patriots like 'em.



100(c). New England: David Greene | QB | Georgia.


133. New England: Lofa Tatupu | ILB | USC.

145. New England (from Arizona): Anthony Alabi | OT | TCU.

170(c). New England: Maurice Clarett* | RB | Ohio State.

206. New England: C.J. Brooks | OG | Maryland.

246. New England: LeRon McCoy | WR | Indiana-Pa.

255(c). New England: John Goldsberry | FB | Purdue.

[DeToxRox]

Note: New England taking Miller and Clarett would be a sight to see.

[Easy Mac]

I still remember watching FU play Clemson. Miller was returning a punt, and our 3rd string linebacker completely destroyed him. Sent his moutpiece back like 5 yards. Knocked him the fuck out. He better hope football works out, otherwise those parks and recreation classes won't help him out much in life.

[TazFTW]

The Great Blue North Draft Report gone lost their mind.

6 Dallas (from Tennessee) *Shawne Merriman LB Maryland

and that happend because

(3) Dallas gets the 6th pick from Tennessee for the 11th pick and second rounders in 2005 (#42) and 2006.

This is then followed by

28 Dallas (from San Diego) Shaun Cody DE Southern California

(5) San Diego gets the 20th pick from Dallas for the 28th and 61st picks, plus 3rd rounder in 2006.

Trading up to get Merriman, who has been projected to be available when the Cowboys select at 11?

I do like the projected trade with San Diego, as they stay in the first round and gain an additional 2nd this year and a 3rd next year but I don't like the Shaun Cody pick.

[TazFTW]

dola

From Rotoworld

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=348 background="" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#000000>Maurice Clarett (http://fantasyfootball.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?leaguenum=&sport=NFL&id=8024) - RB - CLG (http://fantasyfootball.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.asp?leaguenum=&sport=NFL&majteam=CLG)</TD><TD width=40 background=/images/dia_wt_2_trans_tr.gif bgColor=#000000><SPACER width="30" type="block" height="16">
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>The Cowboys and Raiders are reportedly the most interested teams in running back Maurice Clarett.
Clarett figures to be drafted somewhere between the 5th-7th rounds, and won't be counted on for a big role as a rookie. Apr. 21 - 12:29 pm et
Source: Fort Worth Star-Telegram (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/football/11450611.htm)

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Stay away Jerry! Stay away!

[JasonC23]

Cowboys and Raiders most interested in Clarett? What a shock!!!!

[Galaril]

The Titans I think are looking to trade that 6th overall pick if they could get a 2nd this year and next plus only drop 5 places in the 1st I am sure GM Floyd Reese would jump at it. The titans along with the Pats have always been a good draft day team especially on the mid to late round picks.

[albionmoonlight]

The NFL Network guy's mock draft last night had Rodgers slipping to Green Bay in the first round.

He said that the only reason that Rodgers was thought of so highly is that S.F. was making noises about taking him #1, but that, from his (the NFL Network Guy's) perspective, Rodgers is more like a J.P. Losman type, and that Losman is actually a better prospect than Rodgers.

[TazFTW]

I like ESPN.com's mock

Moderator: The Cowboys are now on the clock and we have a question from Brad in Normal, Ill. ... The Cowboys could use a WR ... but I keep hearing defensive needs first. What's more important? Fixing a mediocre defense, or an anemic offense?

Len Pasquarelli, ESPN.com senior NFL writer: Always defense first. Plus, defensive needs are simply more difficult to fill. History has shown, time and again, that you can find a wide receiver, a guy who will contribute, in the second or third round.

<!---------------------INLINE TABLE (BEGIN)---------------------><TABLE id=inlinetable cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=420 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000">11. Cowboys</TH><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD width=416>http://espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/dal.gifDemarcus Ware (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8210), LB/DE, Troy St.
John Clayton, ESPN.com senior NFL writer: Early word out of Dallas is they favor Ware over Shawne Merriman as a potential linebacker in their switch to a 3-4 defense. Bill Parcells has been waiting to get a playmaker for the defense. Ware can be a 4-3 defensive end, but he can be an impact rush linebacker, too. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!---------------------INLINE TABLE (END)--------------------->
Moderator: The Cowboys are back on the clock. Will they stick with defense or take a wide receiver to help boost the offense?

<!---------------------INLINE TABLE (BEGIN)---------------------><TABLE id=inlinetable cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=420 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000">20. Cowboys</TH><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD width=416>http://espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/dal.gifMark Clayton (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft05/tracker/player?id=8924), WR, Oklahoma
John Clayton, ESPN.com senior NFL writer: The Cowboys could be trading out of this pick, but they can get a dependable wide receiver who was the MVP in the Senior Bowl and an extremely productive player in college. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!---------------------INLINE TABLE (END)--------------------->

[judicial clerk]

Cowboys and Raiders most interested in Clarett? What a shock!!!!

I heard that the Portland Trailblazers had some interest.

[moriarty]

The NFL Network guy's mock draft last night had Rodgers slipping to Green Bay in the first round.

He said that the only reason that Rodgers was thought of so highly is that S.F. was making noises about taking him #1, but that, from his (the NFL Network Guy's) perspective, Rodgers is more like a J.P. Losman type, and that Losman is actually a better prospect than Rodgers.

I call BS on NFL network dude. Everything everyone else has written is that he has very sound mechanics and a good arm. The only consistent knock against him is the Tedford curse.

But I guess we'll find out on Sunday .....

[rkmsuf]

They've even said Rodgers is the more NFL ready guy and Smith needs work since he played in the shotgun, fire it all over the place offense.

[Cuckoo]

dola

From Rotoworld



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Stay away Jerry! Stay away!


Apparently (and I don't have the quote in from of me), Jerry already said that the Cowboys don't have a lot of interest in Clarrett, and that same thing has been said several times on DallasCowboys.com. Now, they could be holding their cards close to their vest, but I don't see Dallas drafting Clarrett.

[TazFTW]

I don't see it either but I have heard the Cowboys are looking for a backup RB in the draft to give Julius Jones some rest. Hope Clarett is not the best available when the Cowboys decide to draft a RB.



Redskins | Auburn's Rogers the Target at No. 9? - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:25:02 -0700

Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports three league sources that have been in regular contact with the <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl">Washington Redskins indicate the front-runner for the club's No. 9 overall draft choice is Auburn CB Carlos Rogers (http://www.kffl.com/player/9212/nfl).

[Cuckoo]

I don't see it either but I have heard the Cowboys are looking for a backup RB in the draft to give Julius Jones some rest. Hope Clarett is not the best available when the Cowboys decide to draft a RB.


Yeah, they're definitely looking for a running back to help out Jones, but I don't think Clarrett's the guy. Here's one of the quotes I was talking about:




Might the Cowboys take a chance on Maurice Clarett as a potential backup to Julius Jones, even in the late rounds?

Sure didn't sound like it. Jones said he has become hesitant judging a player off more than his final year of production in college - meaning don't evaluate a guy off a good junior year and dismiss what happened in his senior season (i.e. Dwayne Goodrich). And with Clarett now having not played the past two seasons, "You basically start from scratch," said Jones, inferring you dismiss that season at Ohio State. "You might as well go back to high school."

[cthomer5000]

Can't wait for tomorrow. I think this will be every bit as unpredictable as last year.

With this and the IHOF draft going on simultaneously... i'm in heaven.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

I seriously don't know what all the hoopla about Matt Jones is. To mee he's a 4th-6th round pick at best.

[DeToxRox]

Apr. 22 - The Edwards and Alex Smith camps are getting the feeling that Edwards will now go No. 1, and not Smith, reports ESPN.com's John Clayton. All week, it's been Smith with the lead. No one knows for sure because 49ers coach Mike Nolan isn't saying. Edwards hasn't been offered a contract he can accept, but both sides know the parameters of a deal are in place in case Edwards is the pick. Even though Smith seems to be the preferred choice, it's not out of the question to have Edwards as the best player in the draft. The Dolphins have him No. 1 on their board.

[Havok]

I seriously don't know what all the hoopla about Matt Jones is. To mee he's a 4th-6th round pick at best.


a 6-6 guy that runs the 40 in 4.4 with naturally soft hands and a vertical leap of 3 1/2 feet??? He has the potential to just flat out dominate cornerbacks, especially on deep balls like Randy Moss does.

He could also be a complete bust aswell. With his upside.... its worth a 2nd rounder to find out.

[General Mike]

Ernie Accorsi will do something to f this draft up. Good thing I will be out of town and won't have to watch him do it.

[Coder]

Anyone know if there's a radiostation or something broadcasting the draft live over the net?

[henry296]

ESPN Radio will have coverage. I think you can listen off ESPN's web page.

[duckman]

ESPN Radio will have coverage. I think you can listen off ESPN's web page.
Yup, they were broadcasting it last year on the website.

[Coder]

Thanks a bunch :)

[moriarty]

I call BS on NFL network dude. Everything everyone else has written is that he has very sound mechanics and a good arm. The only consistent knock against him is the Tedford curse.

But I guess we'll find out on Sunday .....


Uhhh.. I'd just like to apologize to the NFL network dude who said Rodgers was going to GreenBay .... :o

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm glad to see that the Eagles take a USC Player, but I hate to see that Corey Simon is going to be gone this season.