FM2005/WWSM05

[nfg22]

I ordered from amazon but they dont have in stock, how long do you think it will take to get this?

[Runtheball]

I ordered mine from Sendit.com and they shipped (from Ireland to Cali) in about 8 days. Cheaper there too.

[nfg22]

2hmm maybe ill cancel my amazon and order there...let me check thx u

[nfg22]

huh they seem to only have FM 2005 which I can deal with, I guess I will have to learn the english terms for soccer...15 pounds...how much is that in american dollars and also can I charge pounds to an american credit card?

[vyshka]

You should be able to set the language defaults n FM2005 to English US, and get
the US terminology.

Yes the ccard company will do the conversion from pounds to dollars.

[nfg22]

I meant how they call the field a pitch and stuff like that...its hard to understand sometimes...I ordered it but dont know how much it cost yet...cause I cant convert that in my head.

[Router Help]

I meant how they call the field a pitch and stuff like that...its hard to understand sometimes...I ordered it but dont know how much it cost yet...cause I cant convert that in my head.
28 bucks

http://web.ask.co.uk/web?q=number+of+US%20Dollars%20+in+15+UK%20Pounds

[vyshka]

I understand. The only difference between FM2005 and WWSM2005 is the language setting which determines whether it will be called a pitch or field, etc. This can be changed in the preferences by either setting the language to English UK, or English US.

currency conversion (http://www.xe.com/ucc/)

[nfg22]

holy crap thats 11 buck cheaper than amazon...and shipping was less...wow thanks alot runtheball...

[nfg22]

So I can make FM into an exact copy of WWSM 2005?

[vyshka]

Whichever version you do get, you will need to apply patches to that version due
to something dealing with the copy protection and its recognition of the CD. Marc
Vaughn has explained that in other posts as well as stating that the only difference
between WWSM2005 and FM2005 was the language setting.

[nfg22]

thanks alot all...

[Runtheball]

I understand. The only difference between FM2005 and WWSM2005 is the language setting which determines whether it will be called a pitch or field, etc. This can be changed in the preferences by either setting the language to English UK, or English US.

currency conversion (http://www.xe.com/ucc/)

I had heard this too, but looking at the preferences now I only see English (not English U.S.). The terms are a bit confusing at first, but there are alot of online sources to help with that.

Believe me, translating terms like "Pitch" and "bye-line" will be the least of your worries! Wait till you try to figure out why your midfielders always pass back to your defenders, rather than forward to your strikers. Or try to understand the proper settings for closing down, tight marking, and man-marking. That's the stuff that'll keep you awake at night. :D

[Desnudo]

I like the language difference. It makes the game feel more real. Once you get past the basics. Plus you'll inevitably end up watching soccer after playing this game, so it helps to learn the terms.

[Huckleberry]

Didn't want to start a new FM/WWSM thread.

Can anyone help with some late-match strategies to protect a one-goal lead? I have found success with my current squad with the following starting strategies:

Style is set to the lowest setting that is described as Attacking. Tempo is one tick past the middle. Defensive Depth is right at the middle. I'm running a 4-4-2 with my MR and ML set to move forward on offense (the yellow dashed arrows). I have a DM at the right-center MF spot that is set to move back and to the middle on defense and I set the other center MF to cover for him in the middle.

Anyway, the results have been astounding with this setup once my loaned players meshed with the rest of the squad. The only issue is that I frequently give up that late goal that costs me 2 points. I extend the lead considerably less frequently. I feel like when I go into a shell by pulling men back and going to a Defensive style I end up watching the last minutes of the match take place completely in my third of the pitch. And yet when I don't, they always break someone free for the goal.

I seem to have the most problems when the CPU switches to a 4-2-4 late in the match, FWIW. I thought I had success once when I ran a 4-6-0 for the last 5 minutes, but that didn't work for too many more matches. ;) I may revisit it, though. I had a good forward at the AMC slot then and he made some good runs.

[FrogMan]

I had heard this too, but looking at the preferences now I only see English (not English U.S.). The terms are a bit confusing at first, but there are alot of online sources to help with that.

Believe me, translating terms like "Pitch" and "bye-line" will be the least of your worries! Wait till you try to figure out why your midfielders always pass back to your defenders, rather than forward to your strikers. Or try to understand the proper settings for closing down, tight marking, and man-marking. That's the stuff that'll keep you awake at night. :D
or when you right winger passes it back to your keeper who then passes it right back to the left winger who nods it on to the striker, stuff the dreams are made of, as they say ;)

I'd say that yes, unles you are incredilbly stupid, learning terms like "pitch", "byline", "side" (for team), and other funky terms simply make it more real, at least that's what it does for me...

FM

[Ajaxab]

Didn't want to start a new FM/WWSM thread.

Can anyone help with some late-match strategies to protect a one-goal lead? I have found success with my current squad with the following starting strategies:

Style is set to the lowest setting that is described as Attacking. Tempo is one tick past the middle. Defensive Depth is right at the middle. I'm running a 4-4-2 with my MR and ML set to move forward on offense (the yellow dashed arrows). I have a DM at the right-center MF spot that is set to move back and to the middle on defense and I set the other center MF to cover for him in the middle.

Anyway, the results have been astounding with this setup once my loaned players meshed with the rest of the squad. The only issue is that I frequently give up that late goal that costs me 2 points. I extend the lead considerably less frequently. I feel like when I go into a shell by pulling men back and going to a Defensive style I end up watching the last minutes of the match take place completely in my third of the pitch. And yet when I don't, they always break someone free for the goal.

I seem to have the most problems when the CPU switches to a 4-2-4 late in the match, FWIW. I thought I had success once when I ran a 4-6-0 for the last 5 minutes, but that didn't work for too many more matches. ;) I may revisit it, though. I had a good forward at the AMC slot then and he made some good runs.

Although there are others who like the idea of going into the defensive shell (like Lord Vaughn), I generally try to avoid playing 'negative' football to protect leads. I don't want to give the other team more of the ball than I need to by pulling back like a turtle. I want my players to have some semblance of aggressiveness like they would in the rest of the match. I know I'm no tactical genius, but I have managed Stirling Albion of Scottish Div.2 into the Scottish Prem and just won the English Championship with Sheffield Wednesday. I've always felt like I've been punished for going too defensive in FM (and the previous CM incarnations) so I've just tried to stay aggressive.

Like Huck, I don't want to start another FM thread so I'll ask here. Does anyone know if my transfer funds will be lost if a chairman's loan is due for repayment? Will I need to sell players to help pay off that loan? My Sheff. Wednesday chairman got himself 20 million pounds in debt and it is due for payment in about three seasons time. I'm wondering if I have to try to generate those funds somehow within that time frame.

[Passacaglia]

Some more questions about transfer funds: If I sell a player, how do I know what percent will go to my transfer budget? Also, does any remaining transfer budget carry over into next season?

[FrogMan]

Some more questions about transfer funds: If I sell a player, how do I know what percent will go to my transfer budget?see under finances, the first screen where they show how much transfer money you have left, there should be a percentage of how much you retain from sales...


Also, does any remaining transfer budget carry over into next season?It's all up to your board and how much money they want to allow you for the new season. They can be hardasses and leave you with only what was left, or add some, or maybe even cut you off completely. I had this happen to me when I recently promoted to the Premiership. Had 700k or about left in the budget, was waiting to get a nice transfer budget, since we were about to receive $24M in TV money. They gave me $750k to work with, bastages... That was followed by an email about a month later, saying that they wanted me to bring in a high profile player and that they would allow me to overspend if they thought the player was enough of a high profile one. I eventually put in a bid for a player at $6.4M and they allowed it. *shameless plug*You can all read it in my dynasty */end shameles plug* ;)

FM

[vyshka]

I had heard this too, but looking at the preferences now I only see English (not English U.S.). The terms are a bit confusing at first, but there are alot of online sources to help with that.

Believe me, translating terms like "Pitch" and "bye-line" will be the least of your worries! Wait till you try to figure out why your midfielders always pass back to your defenders, rather than forward to your strikers. Or try to understand the proper settings for closing down, tight marking, and man-marking. That's the stuff that'll keep you awake at night. :D

hmmm, anyone have a copy of WWSM to verify that this is the case in there
too? I swear it has been said multiple times that you could change it. I guess
maybe it was just talk of making WWSM like FM since most people were wanting that.

[Huckleberry]

hmmm, anyone have a copy of WWSM to verify that this is the case in there
too? I swear it has been said multiple times that you could change it. I guess
maybe it was just talk of making WWSM like FM since most people were wanting that.
I have WWSM and you can select either kind of English. The US version or the wrong version.

[FrogMan]

hmmm, anyone have a copy of WWSM to verify that this is the case in there
too? I swear it has been said multiple times that you could change it. I guess
maybe it was just talk of making WWSM like FM since most people were wanting that.
Runtheball said he ordered his copy from sendit.com and it's a UK store, so me thinks he's got FM2005, not WWSM2005, hence the impossibility for him to change to between US and UK English. I have FM2005 and I don't think I can switch to US English, not that I'd want to anyway :)

FM

[ice4277]

Although there are others who like the idea of going into the defensive shell (like Lord Vaughn), I generally try to avoid playing 'negative' football to protect leads. I don't want to give the other team more of the ball than I need to by pulling back like a turtle. I want my players to have some semblance of aggressiveness like they would in the rest of the match. I know I'm no tactical genius, but I have managed Stirling Albion of Scottish Div.2 into the Scottish Prem and just won the English Championship with Sheffield Wednesday. I've always felt like I've been punished for going too defensive in FM (and the previous CM incarnations) so I've just tried to stay aggressive.

I generally agree with this idea. In my current game I have been playing a somewhat defensive, counterattacking style while holding a lead for the last 15-20 minutes or so. I will usually push up my left-sided midfielder (I tend to run a 4-4-2 with the wingers making short attacking runs) and have my more defensive-minded central midfielder drop back to cover. This tends to work well and has resulted in a number of goals for me. However, now that I have just got my team promoted, I am cutting back on the counterattack, but I am not going into an all-out defensive mode. However, I will scale the slider back to about 1/3 of the way from left to right.

[FrogMan]

I generally agree with this idea. In my current game I have been playing a somewhat defensive, counterattacking style while holding a lead for the last 15-20 minutes or so. I will usually push up my left-sided midfielder (I tend to run a 4-4-2 with the wingers making short attacking runs) and have my more defensive-minded central midfielder drop back to cover. This tends to work well and has resulted in a number of goals for me. However, now that I have just got my team promoted, I am cutting back on the counterattack, but I am not going into an all-out defensive mode. However, I will scale the slider back to about 1/3 of the way from left to right.
I currently play some similar style, and I very rarely set the team's mentality over the middle bar toward attacking. The most offensive I've set it is the middle bar, and very often, I'm a couple notches below the middle, and yet, we scores goal, many goals, while using a patient ball control setting, with very short passes and being very aggressive when we don't have the ball. I usually drop the mentality a notch or two when trying to cover a lead, but not more than that. Dropping the thing to "ultra defensive" usually results in giving up that dreaded last minute goal. I often don't change anything in the team's mentality, especially if we're having good ball control and we're attacking well...

FM

[ISiddiqui]

Am I the only one who plays an attacking style? ;)

I'm always on 3/4th attacking with high tempo and short passing.

[FrogMan]

Am I the only one who plays an attacking style? ;)

I'm always on 3/4th attacking with high tempo and short passing.
I used to play that with Luton. Worked well for a season, then went the complete opposite with QPR (very short passes, very slow tempo, now higher than middle mentality) and I'm having tons of succes, so why change it now? :)

FM

[ISiddiqui]

Newcastle (hey, it's my first game, and my favorite team.. sue me ;)) fans demand pretty football ;).

[FrogMan]

Newcastle (hey, it's my first game, and my favorite team.. sue me ;)) fans demand pretty football ;).
hehe, that's what's nice with CM/FM, you pick whatever you wanna pick and play with it. You want a crazy challenge, you go for it. You want the challenge of a high profile club, you go for it, and try to keep them on top. It's not always to get to the top that is the most difficult, sometimes it's staying on top that is... ;)

FM

[ISiddiqui]

That's true as well :D. Man, some of these expectations are silly... after finishing 3rd in the Premier League in my first year, I finished 8th in my second. I was SURE to be sacked, but then I ended up winning the Champions League, saving me ;). This third year, I've bought some good talent (Claudio Lopez is amazing, btw) that I'm one of the top teams in the Prem again :D.

[Ajaxab]

Am I the only one who plays an attacking style? ;)

I'm always on 3/4th attacking with high tempo and short passing.

I don't attack as aggressively as you do (as much as I love that style of football). You must have a lot of confidence in your back 4. :) I try to avoid draws and go for wins by moving the attacking slider up if we're tied at home or tied on the road against a weaker side around the 70th minute or so. I'll also move it up against 10 men as well. It seems to be working effectively and I've had the odd player say they enjoy the team's style of play.

[ISiddiqui]

I don't attack as aggressively as you do (as much as I love that style of football). You must have a lot of confidence in your back 4. :)
Yeah, I've spent a LOT of cash on the back 4 :D. Also I play a 4-1-3-2, so I have a DM helping out as well.

I already I said I was Newcastle, so I hare Carr on the right. I usually have Elliot or Hughes on the left, but I recently bought a 20 year old left defender named Pomati from Inter (the reserves) and he'll be there soon. My first year I spend some cash to get Samuel Kuffour and then, after selling Bramble, picked up Jean-Alain Boumsong. O'Brien is also a good sub.

My DM is either Nicky Butt or Guy Demel (from Dortmund).

With that as my back, I like playing pretty aggressively as my MF and Forwards are all pretty skilled.

[Kevin]

Damn all these FM discussions. Now I'm becoming one of the addicted. I bought WWSM and immediately turned off the Colonial slang to make it seem real.

[FrogMan]

Damn all these FM discussions. Now I'm becoming one of the addicted. I bought WWSM and immediately turned off the Colonial slang to make it seem real.
welcome to the dark side my friend :)

FM

[Huckleberry]

Somebody explain this (http://www.hornfans.com/recruiting/huckleberry/wtf.jpg), please.

Seriously. Do I have any recourse. Back in the day you could complain about a ref. This match was amazingly ridiculous. It came complete with pbp regarding Hinckley sliding in with both feet on my guys but only getting warnings, etc.

[condors]

i just want to say that in prior versons of cm/fm negative football was much less effective than it is now. I have played 4 defenders and 2 dmc and still able to get the job done, one thing you may try is bringing off an attack minded midfielder or striker for a dmc. If you can get them wingers who can win the ball can as well as create a chance are very nice to have.

I have played 8 players all qualified to be defenders and still was able to score goals. Lead the mls on goal difference with a +34 in 30 games. Only using 1 striker in a 4-5-1 formation kyle martino and jeff cunningham were the only non defenders i was using. wingert, denton, sanneh, hedjuk, marshall, herdsman, elliot and duncan. I usually would bring on szetalla for martino(he gets tired with his arrow supporting cunningham as a pseduo 2nd striker).

i also agree with the slow tempo and short passing, unless your team is complete rubbish then go with direct passing else your defenders will be passing it to the wrong team in the wrong third.

[Desnudo]

The only thing I usually change on the team slider is the defensive line. I move it back to 7-8 out of 20, when I'm trying to protect a one goal lead. Normally I play with it on 12. I do adjust the individual sliders, especially on my fullbacks.

[ice4277]

Somebody explain this (http://www.hornfans.com/recruiting/huckleberry/wtf.jpg), please.

Seriously. Do I have any recourse. Back in the day you could complain about a ref. This match was amazingly ridiculous. It came complete with pbp regarding Hinckley sliding in with both feet on my guys but only getting warnings, etc.
I don't think there is any way to do anything about it in this version, but one thing I have noticed is that referees in lower leagues tend to be much more inconsistent, which, I guess you would expect them to be, or else they would probably be in a higher league. I have had some frustrating games where I will get 7 or 8 yellow cards and a couple red cards and the opponent gets none, but I have also seen it go the other way, so I think it probably evens out in the end.

[Runtheball]

Damn all these FM discussions. Now I'm becoming one of the addicted. I bought WWSM and immediately turned off the Colonial slang to make it seem real.

heh heh heh heh

They sucked me in the same way a couple years ago.



Or... wait... was it only a month ago?????? Have I only been playing this game for ONE MONTH????? :eek:

[ice4277]

Eh, thats nothing. Just wait until you realize the game has taken up 85-90% of your game-playing experiences for five or six years straight.

[Passacaglia]

Another FM Question:

If I brought a bunch of players in on loan, then they went back to their old teams at the end of the season, then I loaned them back in for the next season, will they still play as a cohesive unit?

Also, I was just promoted to Conference National -- should I have held out to loan better players, or was it better to keep the same set of guys I loaned from last season?

[Shepp]

Hate to get off topic but is anyone using a roster update like Fm Sorted or the like? If so which is the best one to use?

[Passacaglia]

Also, I was just promoted to Conference National -- should I have held out to loan better players, or was it better to keep the same set of guys I loaned from last season?

FWIW, the guys are Franklin Simek, Steven Watt, and Stephen Cooke -- are any of them the "caliber person" to make it in Conference National?

[condors]

Stephen Watt(left winger with great crossing and dribbling little else?) definatly is, he lead league 2 in assists for Rushden in my first season.

I wish i could tell you about the other 2 but i am unable to.

For loans check out Chelsea, Manutd, Arsenal, and Liverpool alot of times there youth players for season 2 will be listed for loan, and sometimes you can find a real gem look for promising in thier description along with a high workrate and determination, alot of times the guy you guy will look better in a month(espcailly using cleon's training schedule with semi decent coaches which you may not have yet) and keep getting better through the entire season. not sure if they will come play for you yet but its worth a try.

[Passacaglia]

Stephen Watt(left winger with great crossing and dribbling little else?) definatly is, he lead league 2 in assists for Rushden in my first season.

I wish i could tell you about the other 2 but i am unable to.

For loans check out Chelsea, Manutd, Arsenal, and Liverpool alot of times there youth players for season 2 will be listed for loan, and sometimes you can find a real gem look for promising in thier description along with a high workrate and determination, alot of times the guy you guy will look better in a month(espcailly using cleon's training schedule with semi decent coaches which you may not have yet) and keep getting better through the entire season. not sure if they will come play for you yet but its worth a try.

I've been going through the list of players available for loan, and sorting it by value. Guys from the reserves for the teams you mentioned usually end up on top, and that's who I go after. I figure if Watt can hang, the rest can -- they all play about equally well, and all three were in the top 4 for my team in average rating (which is why I didn't want them to go). I think I've locked up all 4 long-term loans, and the season hasn't even started yet, but I'll start using my short-term loans once I figure out who's doing well in my new league.

I've noticed that after a certain point toward the end of the season, I can't loan players. Does anyone know when that is?

[Desnudo]

Midnight on March 31.

[Passacaglia]

Thanks! I like to use my last set of loans as late as possible, in case I need to make a playoff run, which I totally did in my first season.

By the way, what a nightmare it is, trying to get prmoted out of Conference North/South! Only 3 out of 44 get promoted. I thought that once I won the Conference South Final I was in, only to find I had to play a game against the Conference North final winner! I'm glad I'm out of it -- hopefully for good!