Meanwhile... The Redskins Still Suck

[JPhillips]

All of today's idiocy got lost in the Papal coming out party.

First, Vinny releases a press statement that says the Redskins will not trade the number nine pick, so all you reporters and fans should stop saying they will.

Later, Gibbs comes out and says not so fast. While he didn't say the Redskins would trade, he made it clear that all options are still on the table.

Finally, the Redskins announce a trade with Denver. The Skins will get the #25 pick this year in exchange for this year's third round pick, next year's fourth round pick and next year's FIRST ROUND PICK! Ther's almost no chance in hell that the Skins will have one of the top seven records in the league, so they'll get a lower choice than the one they gave up and they'll give the Broncos a third and fouth as a free gift.

[maximus]

Wow, thats pretty bad.

[sovereignstar]

Mark Brunell to the rescue!!!

[General Mike]

Gibbs is senile

[terpkristin]

Dan Snyder spends money on this crap so he can write it off on his taxes.

/tk

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Now let's hope that they trade BOTH 1st round picks to the Whiners and grab Rodgers...

Then Rodgers can live up to the Tedford QB legacy...

edit: Sadly, I think I might be half right. I just don't want to see Braylon Edwards as a Deadskin... (But it would make sense for both teams)

[Raiders Army]

All of today's idiocy got lost in the Papal coming out party.

First, Vinny releases a press statement that says the Redskins will not trade the number nine pick, so all you reporters and fans should stop saying they will.

Later, Gibbs comes out and says not so fast. While he didn't say the Redskins would trade, he made it clear that all options are still on the table.

Finally, the Redskins announce a trade with Denver. The Skins will get the #25 pick this year in exchange for this year's third round pick, next year's fourth round pick and next year's FIRST ROUND PICK! Ther's almost no chance in hell that the Skins will have one of the top seven records in the league, so they'll get a lower choice than the one they gave up and they'll give the Broncos a third and fouth as a free gift.

I think it depends on how you look at it. Maybe there's a player at 25 (or later) that they want that can fill a need this year. It also depends on how much value those 3rd and 4th rounders are next year...maybe those guys will be scrubs, maybe they'll be out of the league. I don't profess to know what they're thinking in their war room, but maybe there's a plan to this.

And maybe they're crazy. Who knows?

[Maple Leafs]

This only makes sense if they need another first in order to trade up.

I'm just sayin' ...

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think it depends on how you look at it. Maybe there's a player at 25 (or later) that they want that can fill a need this year. It also depends on how much value those 3rd and 4th rounders are next year...maybe those guys will be scrubs, maybe they'll be out of the league. I don't profess to know what they're thinking in their war room, but maybe there's a plan to this.

And maybe they're crazy. Who knows?
I am going with that last one there. A classic move by a terrible franchise. I can't wait to read the papers here tomorrow and hear the squawking! The 'Skins have no idea who will be available at 25. Also, the odds that their 2006 pick will be at 25 or lower is very small, so the extra third and fourth rounders are just gravy for the Broncos. I would be pleased if I were a Bronco fan. Of course, I don't like them either, so I don't care.

[JPhillips]

Raiders: Yeah, I guess this could turn out well, but the odds are certainly not in their favor. They lost their MLB, CB and #1 WR this offseason and added just Santana Moss, a guy with far lower numbers than Coles. The offense will probably be better this year, but can the defense still be top five?

If they have a plan, I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

[Raiders Army]

LOL. Not to threadjack, but at least the Raiders made some common sense moves this year. Taking Randy Moss (who's not at the end of his career), getting a decent (yet unproven) RB, and DE. They also resigned Jerry Porter who smoked Champ Bailey in Denver.

The Redskins might be rebuilding or looking to make salary cap moves.

[Franklinnoble]

All of today's idiocy got lost in the Papal coming out party.

First, Vinny releases a press statement that says the Redskins will not trade the number nine pick, so all you reporters and fans should stop saying they will.

Later, Gibbs comes out and says not so fast. While he didn't say the Redskins would trade, he made it clear that all options are still on the table.

Finally, the Redskins announce a trade with Denver. The Skins will get the #25 pick this year in exchange for this year's third round pick, next year's fourth round pick and next year's FIRST ROUND PICK! Ther's almost no chance in hell that the Skins will have one of the top seven records in the league, so they'll get a lower choice than the one they gave up and they'll give the Broncos a third and fouth as a free gift.
Do you have a link for this? I can't find it.

If it's true, it's a shit trade. They must have enjoyed the ass-raping they got in the Portis trade last year and gone back for more.

[JPhillips]

Franklin: I don't have a link. I heard it on The Sports reporters on 980 while driving home. I'll look around a bit and see if I can get confirmation.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Do you have a link for this? I can't find it.

If it's true, it's a shit trade. They must have enjoyed the ass-raping they got in the Portis trade last year and gone back for more.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8401083

Redskins deal with Broncos to get another first-round pick

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD width=10> </TD><TD><!-- T8401083 --><!-- Sesame Modified: 04/19/2005 19:39:09 --><!-- sversion: 7 $Updated: lylec$ -->ASHBURN, Va. -- Hours after declaring they wouldn't trade their ninth overall selection in Saturday's NFL draft, the Washington Redskins (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/page/WAS) acquired another first-round spot, the 25th overall, from Denver on Tuesday.

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The trade should enable the Redskins to address dire needs at cornerback and wide receiver, both strong positions in this draft.

Earlier Tuesday, after the Washington Post reported the Redskins were discussing a trade that would send the No. 9 pick to the Oakland Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/302181) and a second-round selection, vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato issued a terse statement intended to put the story to rest.

"That is not true," Cerrato said. "We are not trading that pick."

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Even so, Cerrato's statement went beyond quashing the Buchanon story and ruled out any trade whatsoever for the No. 9 pick.

Cerrato was not available for further comment, but coach and team president Joe Gibbs later clarified the Redskins' position on the ninth spot.

"Right now, we've had no discussions with anyone about trading away the ninth pick," Gibbs said. "Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes. We'll consider anything, but no one has presented a compelling scenario."

In essence, statement Tuesday was a signal to the rest of the league that the Redskins do not consider Buchanon worthy of a first-round pick. Buchanon has said he is unhappy in Oakland, wants a trade, and Washington doesn't want the price tag to go too high.

Top prospects at cornerback and receiver visited Redskins Park in recent weeks. The Redskins need a cornerback to replace Fred Smoot, who departed during free agency, and a receiver is a priority because both Laveranues Coles and Rod Gardner requested trades. Coles was sent to the New York Jets for Santana Moss, while Gardner is still on the market.

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[terpkristin]

Another 980 listener!
I was hearing rumors of this on Mike & Mike and on Tony Kornheiser this morning. Of course, I don't follow football at all, so any and all of my knowledge is limited to what I hear in the mornings. ;)

/tk

[BigJohn&TheLions]

www.washingtonredskins.com

[JPhillips]

The speed at which numerous citations came is amazing!

From the Washington Post:

Redskins Acquire First-Round Pick

By Joseph White
Associated Press
Tuesday, April 19, 2005; 7:01 PM

Hours after declaring they wouldn't trade their ninth overall selection in Saturday's NFL draft, the Washington Redskins acquired another first-round spot, the 25th overall, from Denver on Tuesday.

The Broncos received the Redskins' third-round choice (76th overall) this year, plus Washington's first-rounder and fourth-rounder in 2006.

The trade should enable the Redskins to address dire needs at cornerback and wide receiver, both strong positions in this draft.

Earlier Tuesday, after The Washington Post reported the Redskins were discussing a trade that would send the No. 9 pick to the Oakland Raiders for cornerback Phillip Buchanon and a second-round selection, vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato issued a terse statement intended to put the story to rest.

"That is not true," Cerrato said. "We are not trading that pick."

That's not to say the Redskins aren't interested in Buchanon. An official within the league, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press that the team has discussed a possible trade for Buchanon in recent days, but the official said none of the scenarios involved Washington's first-round pick. The official said the Redskins might trade a lower-round pick for Buchanon, but that no deal was imminent.

Even so, Cerrato's statement went beyond quashing the Buchanon story and ruled out any trade whatsoever for the No. 9 pick.

Cerrato was not available for further comment, but coach and team president Joe Gibbs later clarified the Redskins' position on the ninth spot.

"Right now, we've had no discussions with anyone about trading away the ninth pick," Gibbs said. "Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes. We'll consider anything, but no one has presented a compelling scenario."

In essence, statement Tuesday was a signal to the rest of the league that the Redskins do not consider Buchanon worthy of a first-round pick. Buchanon has said he is unhappy in Oakland, wants a trade, and Washington doesn't want the price tag to go too high.

Top prospects at cornerback and receiver visited Redskins Park in recent weeks. The Redskins need a cornerback to replace Fred Smoot, who departed during free agency, and a receiver is a priority because both Laveranues Coles and Rod Gardner requested trades. Coles was sent to the New York Jets for Santana Moss, while Gardner is still on the market.

Also Tuesday, the Redskins re-signed Tim Hasselbeck, their lone remaining restricted free agent. Hasselbeck is expected to be the third-string quarterback again this season behind Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell.

[Franklinnoble]

Crap.

Just crap.

Snyder needs to hire a real GM. Unless they get the next Ben Roethlisburger at #25, this is a dog shit trade made by idiot management that just likes to make news.

[gottimd]

Dan Snyder is so faggoty.

[SunDevil]

Ouch. You really have to wonder about the management ability of the Redskin's front office, not to mention Job Gibbs as the President. Was he a good coach before? Yes, but he has really done nothing in terms of personnel decisions or coaching that has made me think, that him coming back to the league was a good thing to anyone but the opponents.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Wow... The trade sucks even more ass as the night goes on. Nothing like letting the cat out the bag, giving other teams several days to blow your move up completely, and pissing off the QB you're left with for the second straight year!

Hail to the Deadskins!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2041257

Just three years after investing a first-round choice on quarterback Patrick Ramsey, the Washington Redskins are plotting to acquire the possible replacement for the man who currently holds the top spot on their depth chart.

Washington, already slated to pick ninth overall, added a second selection in the first round of the 2005 draft on Tuesday night, acquiring the 25th pick overall from the Denver Broncos. The prospect Washington brass is eyeing at No. 25? Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell.

In return for the Broncos' first-round choice, which Denver officials have been shopping for the past few days, the Redskins surrendered their third-round pick (76th overall) in this year's draft, along with first- and fourth-round selections in 2006. The haul is reflective of the regard in which they hold Campbell, who was 31-8 as a starter in college.

Even before their most substantive predraft review of the position late last week, Redskins coaches and scouts had regarded Campbell as on par with Alex Smith of Utah and California's Aaron Rodgers, generally regarded as the top two quarterback prospects. A lengthy film study of Campbell further strengthened Washington's resolve to move on the Auburn quarterback.

During his 46 appearances for the Tigers, Campbell completed 552 of 854 passes for 7,299 yards, with 45 touchdown passes and 24 interceptions. Despite playing under different offensive coordinators during each of his four seasons, Campbell completed more than 60 percent of his passes all four years. He completed 69.6 percent of his attempts while leading undefeated Auburn to a No. 2 ranking and a 16-13 win over Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl.

The Redskins now must guard against another team jumping ahead of them and grabbing Campbell, one of the draft's fastest rising prospects.

Certainly the flirtation with Campbell is not good news for Ramsey, the Redskins' top pick in the 2002 draft (32nd overall) and the man who finished the 2004 season as Washington's starter. The former Tulane star replaced Mark Brunell in the lineup for the second half of the season and started the final seven games.

Washington might entertain a trade for Ramsey, provided they get Campbell and feel he can play immediately for them. Brunell and Tim Hasselbeck, who on Monday signed his one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer of $656,000, remain on the roster.

For his career, the 26-year-old Ramsey has completed 465 of 836 passes for 5,370 yards, with 33 touchdown passes and 28 interceptions. He has started in 23 of 29 appearances.

Meanwhile, the Redskins say they aren't trading their No. 9 pick, which they'll likely use on a cornerback, but they're not ruling out any possibilities.

"Right now, we've had no discussions with anyone about trading away the ninth pick," team president and coach Joe Gibbs said. "Are we considering any options we are presented with? Yes. We'll consider anything, but no one has presented a compelling scenario."

[moriarty]

Another 980 listener!
I was hearing rumors of this on Mike & Mike and on Tony Kornheiser this morning. Of course, I don't follow football at all, so any and all of my knowledge is limited to what I hear in the mornings. ;)

/tk


Heh heh, Saben and the local guys in the afternoon (David Aldridge?) were blasting the organization and that was before rumors of this trade came out. Can't wait to hear the 980 guys tomorrow afternoon.

[JPhillips]

Why would you make this trade days before the draft? If you are looking for Campbell shouldn't you at least wait and make sure he's available?

6-10 in 2005!

[Peregrine]

Jesus this is terrible! Every year it's just getting harder and harder to see what awful decisions the Redskins will make to screw themselves over.

[Crapshoot]

for what its worth, you always give up more- its akin to the present value of money. a first round pick this year will always cost moe than a 1st next year. that being said, given the expected differences in the talent pool- I think Washington overpaid. but it happened many times with the 2nd round pick this year being acquired for a 1st the next (Beathard, anyone) or the Kyle Boller trade.

[Havok]

OH MY GOD....... THEY SUCK!!!! GIBBS SUCKS!!!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!!!! EVERYONE SUCKS!!!!!

WE ARE BETTER GM'S THEN GUYS WHO GET PAID MILLIONS TO DO IT!!!!! OMG WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!!

UNLESS THEY WIN 4 SUPER BOWLS THIS TRADE SUCKS!!!!! I SUCK!!!!!! YOU SUCK!!!!! HE SUCKS!!!!

[Fonzie]

You know, the Packers sit one spot above the Redskins at #24 and if Pasquarelli's report is accurate they could really mess with the 'Skins plans. While the Packers have pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball, they've also been wanting to grab an heir-apparent for Favre for the last several years. Even if they have no intention of picking him, they could publicly express an interest in him to scare the 'Skins into trading up (perhaps with them?).

Likely to happen? No, but making this trade well before the draft raises the possibility...and gives the Packers (and others) the opportunity to mess with 'em a bit.

[sovereignstar]

OH MY GOD....... THEY SUCK!!!! GIBBS SUCKS!!!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!!!! EVERYONE SUCKS!!!!!

WE ARE BETTER GM'S THEN GUYS WHO GET PAID MILLIONS TO DO IT!!!!! OMG WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!!

UNLESS THEY WIN 4 SUPER BOWLS THIS TRADE SUCKS!!!!! I SUCK!!!!!! YOU SUCK!!!!! HE SUCKS!!!!

So.. who swallows?

[Arles]

You know, the Packers sit one spot above the Redskins at #24 and if Pasquarelli's report is accurate they could really mess with the 'Skins plans. While the Packers have pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball, they've also been wanting to grab an heir-apparent for Favre for the last several years. Even if they have no intention of picking him, they could publicly express an interest in him to scare the 'Skins into trading up (perhaps with them?).

Likely to happen? No, but making this trade well before the draft raises the possibility...and gives the Packers (and others) the opportunity to mess with 'em a bit.
I wouldn't say this is that farfetched. If some of the better rush DEs, S Davis and the OLBs are gone, there may not be value in GB's need areas at 24. Therefore, with two picks in the second round, GB may take Campbell at 24 with an eye on LB and safety in round 2.

All that said, I am still hoping for a defensive player and if they do want a QB, I would recommend getting Frye in the 2nd. There are too many needs on the defensive end for GB to get a "2nd round talent" QB at No. 24.

[Axxon]

OH MY GOD....... THEY SUCK!!!! GIBBS SUCKS!!!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!!!! EVERYONE SUCKS!!!!!

WE ARE BETTER GM'S THEN GUYS WHO GET PAID MILLIONS TO DO IT!!!!! OMG WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!!

UNLESS THEY WIN 4 SUPER BOWLS THIS TRADE SUCKS!!!!! I SUCK!!!!!! YOU SUCK!!!!! HE SUCKS!!!!

His father would have sucked but I didn't have 5 dollars.

Anyone remember which comedian said this? I've always loved the quote but can't remember to give them credit.

[TazFTW]

You know, the Packers sit one spot above the Redskins at #24 and if Pasquarelli's report is accurate they could really mess with the 'Skins plans. While the Packers have pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball, they've also been wanting to grab an heir-apparent for Favre for the last several years. Even if they have no intention of picking him, they could publicly express an interest in him to scare the 'Skins into trading up (perhaps with them?).

Likely to happen? No, but making this trade well before the draft raises the possibility...and gives the Packers (and others) the opportunity to mess with 'em a bit.

Very not likely to happen, since one of the almost certainties in the draft is the Packers love for Charlie Frye.

[Arles]

Very not likely to happen, since one of the almost certainties in the draft is the Packers love for Charlie Frye.
There was also a "certainty" in the draft in 2002 that GB was enamored with Rex Grossman. Of course, it was later shown to be false when a GB beat writer talked to the Packer brass right before the draft started and the only QB GB had interest in was Kyle Boller. So, this wouldn't be the first time the Packers created a bit of a diversion with the QB they liked.

[TazFTW]

There was also a "certainty" in the draft in 2002 that GB was enamored with Rex Grossman. Of course, it was later shown to be false when a GB beat writer talked to the Packer brass right before the draft started and the only QB GB had interest in was Kyle Boller. So, this wouldn't be the first time the Packers created a bit of a diversion with the QB they liked.

Didn't hear that. If true then GB needs a better scouting staff.

Kyle Boller, heir apparent to Brett Favre....


http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

[Arles]

Well, atleast they didn't trade up to get him :p

In all seriousness, though, I would be more than happy if GB could somehow grab Frye with one of their two second round picks.

[ISiddiqui]

Didn't hear that. If true then GB needs a better scouting staff.

Kyle Boller, heir apparent to Brett Favre....


http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif
Yeah, their scouts are almost as bad as the Chargers' scouts who said Drew Brees would be a good QB... oh wait.

[JeeberD]

I heart this thread. :)

[Neuqua]

i heart charlie frye

[BigJohn&TheLions]

OH MY GOD....... THEY SUCK!!!! GIBBS SUCKS!!!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!!!! EVERYONE SUCKS!!!!! I SUCK!!!!!! YOU SUCK!!!!! HE SUCKS!!!!

Now this is faggoty.

[wade moore]

sigh...

[Bee]

I wouldn't consider this a horrible trade if it happened at the 25th pick and there was someone there they had rated really high on their board, but this far ahead of the draft when you have no idea who's going to be there at 25? Doesn't make sense to me.

If it's part of a package to move up to the top pick, I really wonder who they think is worth giving up so much to get.

[moriarty]

This franchise just is starting to sound like dumb and dumber. First the press release nonsense followed by this trade. Maybe they have some great plan ... but I doubt it. I certainly hope they didn't make this trade in the hopes that Jason Campbell would be available. I'm not sold on him being a NFL QB ... not to mention that you could have always waited to make this trade to see if he was still available at that pick.

And even if you did pick him and played him right away (I'm assuming they can't keep Ramsey, Brunnell and him ... and Ramsey would have to go w/ Brunnel's contract) or had to start Brunnel, they'll have an awful year and their first round pick given to Denver will be in the top 10 again next year.

Sigh, I hope there's more here than meets the eye.

[JeeberD]

I bet Snyder is going after Matt Jones, just to spite Jerry Jones...

[rkmsuf]

Gibbs is senile


I concur.

[QuikSand]

I think the whole damn lot over there are idiots, but the only one who comes out of this sounding like he makes any sense is Gibbs. Vinny runs to the press with a completely idiotic denial statement that the team is not trading its pick, no matter what. Gibbs makes a response, trying to steer back to the sensible waters of "well, we'd listen to offers, wejust aren't in the midst of a deal right now..."

I'm not wild about this trade up to 1(25) -- but it's long-held wisdom that waiting a year for a draft pick lessens its value by a round or so. So, by conventional wisdom, nobody would trade this year's 1(25) for next year's 1(20), all things equal. Players of text sim games, where a "season' passes by in an evening, tend to lose sight fo the fact that waiting a year is a long, long time -- especially when it's this year's team that determines whather your GM contract gets renewed.

I still think the 'Skins overpaid (as usual) but I don't think it's a completely foolhardy deal, like some are arguing here.

[rkmsuf]

It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless they have someone in mind that will require extra ammunition to get. The only think I can come up with is they really like Smith or Rodgers. Corner is there with #9. Receiver is there with their second round pick. What the heck is 25 for?

[henry296]

Latest reports out of DC is that they really like Jason Campbell and will take him with #25. Although if that is why they make the trade why not wait to make sure he will be there.

[stevew]

I just question the sanity in making a trade up for a high pick when you dont know even who will be on the board. I would think that on draft day you can probably get a much higher trade up, and get who you want off the board. Just seems like the Skins give up excessive value(generic chart wise). I wish something this sweet would have landed on the steelers lap.

[rkmsuf]

Latest reports out of DC is that they really like Jason Campbell and will take him with #25. Although if that is why they make the trade why not wait to make sure he will be there.


Especially now that #10-#24 know that if they like Campbell they better take him. Unless it's a classic misdirection. Are they smart enough to leak that when they have no interest?

[jetpunk2000]

I just question the sanity in making a trade up for a high pick when you dont know even who will be on the board. I would think that on draft day you can probably get a much higher trade up, and get who you want off the board. Just seems like the Skins give up excessive value(generic chart wise). I wish something this sweet would have landed on the steelers lap.

The other side to that is that if they do wait until draft day, and the player they want is still there, I bet the price of that pick goes up.

[stevew]

The other side to that is that if they do wait until draft day, and the player they want is still there, I bet the price of that pick goes up.


I'm not so sure. If a team is up against the cap, and not enamored with anyone, a 3rd this year, 4th and 1st next year is a pretty awesome deal. The skins definately paid retail here.

[Subby]

I guess it would be TOO FUCKING DIFFICULT for Gibbs to maybe, I don't know...STUDY WHAT THE FUCKING PATRIOTS AND EAGLES ARE DOING and stop doing THE EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE.

Gibbs sucked at personnel in the 80s and he sucks in th 00's.

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[ScottVib]

With the Broncos actively shopping the pick, there was always the chance that someone else would make an acceptible bid and the 'Skins would be SOL had they waited.

They may have, had to give that deal just to ensure the deal would go through and the Broncos wouldn't use their offer to try and drive the price up on someone else who wanted the pick.

The Skins may have felt that waiting wasn't an option. And if he goes earlier the Skins can try and trade the pick.

[Subby]

This opening to the Post article about the trade pretty much sums up the entire organization right now...

"With most NFL analysts believing this weekend's draft is one of the weakest in memory, the Washington Redskins yesterday surprisingly traded their No. 1 pick next season and two other picks to the Denver Broncos for the 25th overall selection Saturday."

[moriarty]

The Redskins need a real GM ... bad. Not the idiot Vice President of Operations (or whatever idiot Vinny's title is) and certainly not Gibbs (have we not learned anything about GM-coach combos over the past 10 years)?

Speculation on the press release yesterday was that it was a shot at the Washington Post (who among others reported the possible trade at #9). Apparently the Post and the Redskins have quite the feud now .. with the Redskins even cancelling the tickets provided annualy to Post reps.

Picking a battle with the home town newspaper? Not exactly the best strategy IMO.....

[Subby]

To be fair, Vinny is a just a glorified scout...he doesn't make any decisions.

Still, they need a GM in the worst way.

[JPhillips]

And it just gets better and better...

Today Vinny says that the Redskins are open to trading down from the #9 pick!

[BigJohn&TheLions]

And it just gets better and better...

Today Vinny says that the Redskins are open to trading down from the #9 pick!
I think they're looking to trade down to about #25, where they hope to get Campbell.

[Subby]

And it just gets better and better...

Today Vinny says that the Redskins are open to trading down from the #9 pick!
See, I actually think that would be smart...

[moriarty]

I think they're looking to trade down to about #25, where they hope to get Campbell.

:D

[scooper]

If Green Bay really wants Frye, they may want to consider landing one of the last few spots in round one, as I can see Cleveland taking him if they don't get a QB at #3.

[Arles]

If Green Bay really wants Frye, they may want to consider landing one of the last few spots in round one, as I can see Cleveland taking him if they don't get a QB at #3.
I don't think they want him that bad. As I see it, only three teams have expressed an interest in grabbing a QB in the first round - SF, Cleveland and Washington. Unless you have 4 QBs go in the first 35 spots (which I seriously doubt), Frye should last until the mid 2nd. That said, he's not good enough to trade up for.

[Franklinnoble]

I really don't get the whole theory regarding the Redskins wanting a QB.

Gibbs doesn't like rookie QB's. The guys he did draft in the 80's sat on the bench (or got hidden on IR) for 3-4 seasons before playing.

Ramsey could be a very good quarterback in this league. He's got a few seasons under his belt now, and might really blossom now that he's in his second year with Gibbs.

I also like Tim Hasselbeck, and I don't think the 'Skins need to replace him at all - he's shown a lot of ability. If anything, they need to replace Brunell, but they probably can't this year, given his contract status - the cap hit would be substantial.

I think the 'Skins are going after WR and CB help. Maybe all this QB talk is a deliberate red herring to push other teams into making a trade.

[judicial clerk]

Ok Redskins, you win. The Raiders hesitantly agree to trade you Charles Woodsen for your two first round picks.

Becasue we like the skins, and we know Joe likes veteran QB's, we will even throw in league MVP Rich Gannon straight up for Sean Taylor.

[Subby]

I really don't get the whole theory regarding the Redskins wanting a QB.

Gibbs doesn't like rookie QB's. The guys he did draft in the 80's sat on the bench (or got hidden on IR) for 3-4 seasons before playing.

Ramsey could be a very good quarterback in this league. He's got a few seasons under his belt now, and might really blossom now that he's in his second year with Gibbs.

I also like Tim Hasselbeck, and I don't think the 'Skins need to replace him at all - he's shown a lot of ability. If anything, they need to replace Brunell, but they probably can't this year, given his contract status - the cap hit would be substantial.

I think the 'Skins are going after WR and CB help. Maybe all this QB talk is a deliberate red herring to push other teams into making a trade. I agree with this entire post...makes a ton of sense to me that Gibbs would do something like this. He is paranoid to the extreme...

[Crapshoot]

I really don't get the whole theory regarding the Redskins wanting a QB.

Gibbs doesn't like rookie QB's. The guys he did draft in the 80's sat on the bench (or got hidden on IR) for 3-4 seasons before playing.

Ramsey could be a very good quarterback in this league. He's got a few seasons under his belt now, and might really blossom now that he's in his second year with Gibbs.

I also like Tim Hasselbeck, and I don't think the 'Skins need to replace him at all - he's shown a lot of ability. If anything, they need to replace Brunell, but they probably can't this year, given his contract status - the cap hit would be substantial.

I think the 'Skins are going after WR and CB help. Maybe all this QB talk is a deliberate red herring to push other teams into making a trade.


Bingo. The party line goes that Cerrato is one of Len's regular sources, and that he may be throwing them a bone here.

[HomerJSimpson]

I think the whole damn lot over there are idiots, but the only one who comes out of this sounding like he makes any sense is Gibbs. Vinny runs to the press with a completely idiotic denial statement that the team is not trading its pick, no matter what. Gibbs makes a response, trying to steer back to the sensible waters of "well, we'd listen to offers, wejust aren't in the midst of a deal right now..."

I'm not wild about this trade up to 1(25) -- but it's long-held wisdom that waiting a year for a draft pick lessens its value by a round or so. So, by conventional wisdom, nobody would trade this year's 1(25) for next year's 1(20), all things equal. Players of text sim games, where a "season' passes by in an evening, tend to lose sight fo the fact that waiting a year is a long, long time -- especially when it's this year's team that determines whather your GM contract gets renewed.

I still think the 'Skins overpaid (as usual) but I don't think it's a completely foolhardy deal, like some are arguing here.

I agree this isn't as bad as some are making out, but if it was to get Campbell, it will end up being really dumb. Campbell had one good year in college, and that with two running backs in the backfield that will be top five picks. He is far from a sure thing, and would be a reach in the third round, IMHO. I wouldn't take him in the 5th round, personally.

[TazFTW]

Saw this on Rotoworld.

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</TD></TR><TR><TD>NFL Network's Pat Kirwan believes Washington obtained the No. 25 pick in the draft to trade for a veteran, possibly Darren Howard.
That makes a lot more sense than targeting a rookie who might not still be on the board. Should be a fun weekend.

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[Havok]

Saw this on Rotoworld.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=348 background="" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#9d8b65>Darren Howard (http://fantasyfootball.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?leaguenum=&sport=NFL&id=5062) - DL - NO (http://fantasyfootball.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.asp?leaguenum=&sport=NFL&majteam=NO)</TD><TD width=40 background=/images/dia_wt_2_trans_tr.gif bgColor=#9d8b65><SPACER height="16" type="block" width="30">
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</TD></TR><TR><TD>NFL Network's Pat Kirwan believes Washington obtained the No. 25 pick in the draft to trade for a veteran, possibly Darren Howard.
That makes a lot more sense than targeting a rookie who might not still be on the board. Should be a fun weekend.

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i wonder if everyone here will say how stupied the Skins/Cerrento/Gibbs are if they land Howard (11.5 sacks last year) for a 25th pick.

[JPhillips]

Havok: No, he will have gotten Howard for #25, next years first rounder and a third and fourth. Two firsts and a third and a fourth seem too much for Howard IMO.

[DeToxRox]

Doug Jolley to the Jets for their #1

lol

[DeToxRox]

Dolaing: That trade was told to me by my buddy who's a big time Jets fan. I'll keep looking for a confirmation.

[TazFTW]

Havok: No, he will have gotten Howard for #25, next years first rounder and a third and fourth. Two firsts and a third and a fourth seem too much for Howard IMO.
And there's the fact that Howard wants a contract paying him $20 mil a year.

[Havok]

Havok: No, he will have gotten Howard for #25, next years first rounder and a third and fourth. Two firsts and a third and a fourth seem too much for Howard IMO.


good point

I still have a feeling someone is gonna take Rod Gardner off our hands for a 3rd or 4th rounder. I also think we might trade down alittle with the 9th pick and pick up another mid-rounder.

Just annoying when half the people here just automatically start with the "REDSKINS SUCK!!!' quote before they even know what the hell they have planned.

[Arles]

Dolaing: That trade was told to me by my buddy who's a big time Jets fan. I'll keep looking for a confirmation.
It's on ESPN:
Jets get Jolley and the No. 47 overall pick (2nd round) and 2 6th round picks
Raiders get the #26th pick overall and a 7th

Not quite as good a deal for the Raiders, but still decent value.

[Arles]

i wonder if everyone here will say how stupied the Skins/Cerrento/Gibbs are if they land Howard (11.5 sacks last year) for a 25th pick.
I would say they should have kept their other picks and signed Chike Okeafor (and his 9 sacks) for about half the money Howard wants.

[Havok]

I would say they should have kept their other picks and signed Chike Okeafor (and his 9 sacks) for about half the money Howard wants.

i would have liked that also.... to bad the whole Coles deal screwed up our salary cap.

[Arles]

i would have liked that also.... to bad the whole Coles deal screwed up our salary cap.
Then how can the Skins afford Howard?

[General Mike]

It's on ESPN:
Jets get Jolley and the No. 47 overall pick (2nd round) and 2 6th round picks
Raiders get the #26th pick overall and a 7th

Not quite as good a deal for the Raiders, but still decent value.

Bradway got ripped off.

[TazFTW]

And now there's this story...




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FOXSports.com has learned that the Redskins (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67062) phoned teams in the top four on Wednesday, including the 49ers (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67059), who own the first pick, to inquire about moving up to one of the crown jewel selections of the draft. While the Redskins (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67062) have not told teams who they covet, front office sources said they are trying to make a move for Michigan WR Braylon Edwards. The Redskins (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67062) have long been wheelers and dealers, so attempting to make their second move into the first round this week should come as no surprise. While Washington would like to make such a deal, they may not have enough ammunition, especially since they have already traded away their No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft. Edwards is widely coveted as the draft's top receiver and could go as high as No. 3 to Cleveland or even No. 2 to the Dolphins (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67052). The 49ers (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/67059) will not select him with the first overall selection as they are still targeting Utah QB Alex Smith, even if they cannot work a pre-draft deal with Smith's agent, Tom Condon.


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Gotta love the week before the draft.

[Bee]

Havok: No, he will have gotten Howard for #25, next years first rounder and a third and fourth. Two firsts and a third and a fourth seem too much for Howard IMO.

You can't include the #25 pick and the picks they traded to get the #25 pick. The comparison is either the #25 pick or next year's #1, a third and a fourth...not all of them.

[moriarty]

good point

I still have a feeling someone is gonna take Rod Gardner off our hands for a 3rd or 4th rounder. I also think we might trade down alittle with the 9th pick and pick up another mid-rounder.

Just annoying when half the people here just automatically start with the "REDSKINS SUCK!!!' quote before they even know what the hell they have planned.

Ha ha ... any team that is willing to trade a 3rd or even 4th rounder for Gardner is worse run than the Redskins.

Yes, we do have to wait to see how this turns out before we can judge the other deal, but you have to admit some of the personnel moves (Brunnel as the savior anyone?) and press release nonsense haven't exactly inspired confidence.

We'll have to see how this works out, but at this point they've traded 3 picks (including next year's number one - which, let's face it, will be higher than #25) for a 25th pick. This on a team that has constantly tried to build winners via big name free agents which haven't really worked out. I would prefer they keep as many picks as possible, or amass even more picks, and try to build through the draft than go for the home run here or via free agency.

[JPhillips]

I heard a guy on the Kornhieser show this morning with the perfect line. Asked whether the Skins would be happy with Edwards or Williams if they trade up he said,

They'll be happy with whoever they get as long as they can pay too much to get him.

[jamesUMD]

Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, and Cornelius Griffin seemed to work out just fine. I don't agree with many of the moves that the Skins have done, mainly in regards to not keeping Smoot. Pierce, I believe will turn out to be a system guy, and was not worth the $$ the G Men paid.

Brunell was a failed experiment, but you can look to almost any team in the league and find free agents that did not pan out. They may not have spent wisely, but I do like the fact that our owner (not saying I like him) is willing to pay out the money needed to attract players.

[Havok]

Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, and Cornelius Griffin seemed to work out just fine. I don't agree with many of the moves that the Skins have done, mainly in regards to not keeping Smoot. Pierce, I believe will turn out to be a system guy, and was not worth the $$ the G Men paid.

Brunell was a failed experiment, but you can look to almost any team in the league and find free agents that did not pan out. They may not have spent wisely, but I do like the fact that our owner (not saying I like him) is willing to pay out the money needed to attract players.


yeah really... Washington made the pro Bowl and Griffin should have(anyone who knows football would agree on that). And Springs had a hell of a year last season. Thats 3 pro bowl caliber free agents we got last season and Griffin we got pretty cheap.

Any and everything we do will be picked at and made fun of. No one will praise us for the good stuff..... but the bad stuff we'll get torn to shreads for.

I think the term 'Haters' applies well here.

[Bee]

yeah really... Washington made the pro Bowl and Griffin should have(anyone who knows football would agree on that). And Springs had a hell of a year last season. Thats 3 pro bowl caliber free agents we got last season and Griffin we got pretty cheap.

Any and everything we do will be picked at and made fun of. No one will praise us for the good stuff..... but the bad stuff we'll get torn to shreads for.

I think the term 'Haters' applies well here.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the Redskins were to win a Superbowl. I wonder if they would be criticized for "buying" it, like the Yankees would be?

[moriarty]

yeah really... Washington made the pro Bowl and Griffin should have(anyone who knows football would agree on that). And Springs had a hell of a year last season. Thats 3 pro bowl caliber free agents we got last season and Griffin we got pretty cheap.

Any and everything we do will be picked at and made fun of. No one will praise us for the good stuff..... but the bad stuff we'll get torn to shreads for.

I think the term 'Haters' applies well here.

Well let's see .... Springs was brought in to replace a pro bowl CB, and they've been overpaying for free agent stars since Danny took over (Bruce Smith, Clinton Portis, Brunnell, half the Jets team ... ). Meanwhile the guys who have had some talent and been around (Stephen Davis?) they're quick to discard.

Bottom line is they've been out overpaying for free agents since Snyder was here and they've never been a top team. I don't care if they go to the pro bowl, I care if the team actually improves and ... gasp ... makes the playoffs. There's alot of evidence that building through the draft is better than signing top free agents and turning the team over ever few years (cohesion rating anyone?).

I think the term 'Redskin Nuthugger' applies here.

[TazFTW]

ahahaha!

[Cap Ologist]

Daniel Snyder deserves a place in the Cowboy's Ring of Honor. He is the best thing to ever happen for them.

[Bee]

Daniel Snyder deserves a place in the Cowboy's Ring of Honor. He is the best thing to ever happen for them.

I don't think he has enough arrests to qualify yet.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

WTF did they draft another qb in the 1st rd for?

[Bee]

WTF did they draft another qb in the 1st rd for?

Because they thought it was too early for a punter?

[HomerJSimpson]

WTF did they draft another qb in the 1st rd for?


A "project" Qb to boot. Wow.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

A "project" Qb to boot. Wow.
I thought Ramsey was ''THE'' project QB. Seems like a waste to me....eh what do i know.

[moriarty]

I liked their first pick (edit: I was worried Rolle was going to be available and they'd draft him to hang out with Moss and Taylor down in Florida). I'm still not sold on Campbell at QB .... especially since they gave up draft picks to get him. I would have liked them to give Ramsey a full year and then looked for a QB next year if necessary.

So they have 4 QB's and just signed Hasselback to a one year (I believe) deal. What are they going to do? Cutting Brunnell is a massive cap hit from everything I've heard, and if you try to trade Ramsey who is going to start this year?

[wade moore]

meh...

I really don't like this pick at ALL... we had plenty of other needs, and I still believe in Ramsey... so now you've either A) wasted a pick several years ago for Ramsey or B) wasted a pick this year...

Ramsey has not had a full year to start.... he needs it, and I think he'll show something when he does...

[cthomer5000]

my thought: $11 Million dollar bonus for Santana Moss!?!!!?!


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Two months later, millions richer

Moss reports to Redskins after signing $31M contract

Posted: Thursday May 5, 2005 5:01PM; Updated: Thursday May 5, 2005 6:38PM

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Santana Moss caught 45 passes for 838 yards as a Jet in 2004.
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<script>if(cnnEnableCL){if(!(location.hostname.indexOf('cnn.com')>-1)) {cnnAddCSI('contextualLinks','/.element/ssi/misc/2.0/contextual/story.html','');}else{ cnnAddCSI('contextualLinks','http://cl.cnn.com/ctxtlink/jsp/si/cl/2.0/si-story.jsp','category=sinfl&url=http:/\/robots.cnnsi.com/2005/football/nfl/05/05/bc.fbn.redskins.moss.ap/index.html&desccharcnt=80&site=cnn_sinfl_dyn_ctxt&origin=si');}}</script><iframe src="http://cl.cnn.com/ctxtlink/jsp/si/cl/2.0/si-story.jsp?domId=contextualLinks&time=1115342889437&category=sinfl&url=http://robots.cnnsi.com/2005/football/nfl/05/05/bc.fbn.redskins.moss.ap/index.html&desccharcnt=80&site=cnn_sinfl_dyn_ctxt&origin=si" name="iframecontextualLinks" id="iframecontextualLinks" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden;" align="right" height="0" width="0"></iframe></td></tr></tbody></table> ASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- Two months after trading for Santana Moss (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5463), the Washington Redskins (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/redskins) finally got him to show up for a workout.

It took a six-year, $31 million contract, which the receiver signed Thursday to end his boycott of the team's offseason program.

"It was real awkward," said Moss, whose deal includes $11 million in guaranteed bonuses, including a signing bonus. "I wish we didn't have to go that route, but it's behind us now."

After welcoming Moss into the fold, coach Joe Gibbs offered little hope for a quick end to the stalemate with safety Sean Taylor (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6764), the only remaining player staying away from Redskins Park for want of a new deal. Gibbs did have an update on Rod Gardner (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5462), saying he is "skeptical" that the disgruntled receiver will return to the team next season.

Gibbs has been critical of Moss and Taylor, saying their absences from the three-day-a-week offseason workouts were hurting the team and potentially their careers. In particular, Gibbs felt that Moss, acquired in the trade that sent Laveranues Coles (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5107) to the New York Jets (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/jets) in March, needed to start developing a chemistry with the team's quarterbacks.

Oddly enough, Moss agreed. The receiver stayed in contact with Gibbs and let the coach know he was staying in shape -- and he kept hounding his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, to close a new deal.

"It's different if I was in New York and I knew everything and knew everybody, but it's something new for me and I wanted to get in on the right foot," Moss said. "That was my whole emphasis, get up here and make sure I'm getting involved and these guys have the right thoughts about me."

But business came first. Moss had one year remaining on the contract he signed with the Jets and wanted assurance of long-term stability before reporting to his new team.

"You don't want to be a player bouncing around," Moss said. "You want to be somewhere where you can make a home."

Moss is getting a handsome payoff for a player who caught 45 passes for 838 yards last season, although he was bothered much of the year by a hamstring injury. The Redskins point out that his 18.6 average is exactly what's needed for a team that struggled to complete long passes last season. Also, Moss put up solid numbers in 2003: 74 catches for 1,105 yards and 10 touchdowns.

As for Taylor, Gibbs said he wants the second-year safety to report as soon as possible, especially before the start of organized team practices May 17, but that doesn't appear likely. While they were content to reward Moss because there was only one year left on his contract, the Redskins aren't inclined to negotiate with Taylor because it's been just one year since he signed a seven-year, $18 million deal.

"The biggest thing there is he has a contract," Gibbs said. "He's got a long-term contract that he's signed."

Meanwhile, Gardner's days with the team are still numbered. Unhappy with the offense, Gardner asked for a trade in January, and the Redskins have tried to oblige. With no takers, Gibbs held out hope recently that Gardner could be talked into staying with the team.

On Thursday, however, Gibbs was pessimistic that the sides would make up.

"After talking to him, I'd say I'm kind of skeptical of that working out," Gibbs said.

The Redskins also made several roster moves, signing tight end Billy Baber (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5589), receiver Jimmy Farris (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5886), running back Brock Forsey (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6542) and quarterback Bryson Spinner. They released tight end Kori Dickerson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6745) and running back John Simon (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6176).

Baber spent three seasons with Kansas City, catching three passes in 29 games, before being released before the start of the 2004 season. Farris played in 30 games over two seasons with Atlanta, catching six passes for 100 yards. Forsey has spent a season each with Chicago and Miami, rushing for 244 yards on 69 carries in 18 games. Spencer is an undrafted free agent from Richmond who spent last year's training camp with Seattle.

Copyright 2005 Associated Press (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/interactive_legal.html#AP). All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

TAYLOR IS HOLDING OUT FOR A NEW DEAL???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

One year wheere you show some ability, but a lot of immaturity and you need more $$$?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!


So... a top WR who can't stay healthy. A starting QB who has essentially been told he isn't wanted. A backup who can't throw the ball anymore, but is paid too much to dump. A rookie QB who is playing for a caoch who loves veterans. And possibly the best defender wanting more $$$ when you can't even count on him to make plays on the field, but he likes to play off it.

Somebody should give Taylor a motorcycle...

[JeeberD]

Tee hee! :)















Sigh...it's just not the same with Franky in the box... :(

[moriarty]

So... a top WR who can't stay healthy. A starting QB who has essentially been told he isn't wanted. A backup who can't throw the ball anymore, but is paid too much to dump. A rookie QB who is playing for a caoch who loves veterans. And possibly the best defender wanting more $$$ when you can't even count on him to make plays on the field, but he likes to play off it.

Somebody should give Taylor a motorcycle...

I think this started with the Coles deal. He wanted out and threatened to hold our so rather than drawing a line in the sand with Coles, the management trades him, takes a cap hit, and overpays for an often injured, short, less talented WR. But more importantly, it says that if you threaten mgt with a hold out you'll get results ... which is where Taylor comes in.

If they give in to Taylor I'll scream. This is a guy that missed rookie school (or whatever they call it), got hit with a DUI, and botched relations with the media all in year one ... yet he wants a new deal. Ugh.

[TazFTW]

Redskins | Latest on Taylor Legal Situation - from www.KFFL.com
Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:54:50 -0700

The Associated Press reports Fox Sports Radio's Jorge Sedano, citing sources within the Miami-Dade Police Department, reported that <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl">Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor (http://www.kffl.com/player/9280/nfl) fired shots at the home of people he believed had stolen an all-terrain vehicle of his. Sedano also reported that Taylor will be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and will turn himself in to Miami authorities Saturday, June 4.

[moriarty]

Redskins | Latest on Taylor Legal Situation - from www.KFFL.com
Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:54:50 -0700

The Associated Press reports Fox Sports Radio's Jorge Sedano, citing sources within the Miami-Dade Police Department, reported that <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl">Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor (http://www.kffl.com/player/9280/nfl) fired shots at the home of people he believed had stolen an all-terrain vehicle of his. Sedano also reported that Taylor will be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and will turn himself in to Miami authorities Saturday, June 4.

:( {smacks head}. I'm really trying not to buy the Sunday Ticket this year, but being in the DC area and knowing I"ll have to watch the Redskins every week is going to be tough.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Redskins | Latest on Taylor Legal Situation - from www.KFFL.com
Sat, 4 Jun 2005 10:54:50 -0700

The Associated Press reports Fox Sports Radio's Jorge Sedano, citing sources within the Miami-Dade Police Department, reported that <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl">Washington Redskins S Sean Taylor (http://www.kffl.com/player/9280/nfl) fired shots at the home of people he believed had stolen an all-terrain vehicle of his. Sedano also reported that Taylor will be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and will turn himself in to Miami authorities Saturday, June 4.

Doesn't he know that shooting at someones home is something that kickers do?

[Honolulu_Blue]

:( {smacks head}. I'm really trying not to buy the Sunday Ticket this year, but being in the DC area and knowing I"ll have to watch the Redskins every week is going to be tough.
Well, mate, I'm in the DC area and already plunked down my $250 for it. So, if you don't mind watching Lions' games give me a shout. :D

Speaking of which... Going into the 2004 draft a lot of folks either had the Lions taking or wanted them to take either Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow. Hell, I really wanted them to get Taylor. Each passing day, however, I thanks the gods that the Redskins drafted Taylor and the Lions traded down, picking up Roy Williams, instead of drafting The Chosen One. Phew!

[JPhillips]

According to local news this morning Taylor turned himself in and is facing two counts of assault with a firearm and one of battery.

[HomerJSimpson]

According to local news this morning Taylor turned himself in and is facing two counts of assault with a firearm and one of battery.


As Noop would say....The U is back.

[JAG]

This really belongs in the old Sean Taylor thread with all his other adventures.

[rkmsuf]

They really dug deep for some indepth character analysis with this draft pick. I don't think you needed Dr. Freud to figure out the guy is a nut job.

[Ksyrup]

He didn't crap in their closet, though. So he's got that going for him.

[rkmsuf]

He didn't crap in their closet, though. So he's got that going for him.




He should teabag Joe Gibbs.

[Ksyrup]

I think right about now, Joe is probably wishing he had teabagged Snyder when the job came open.

[moriarty]

They really dug deep for some indepth character analysis with this draft pick. I don't think you needed Dr. Freud to figure out the guy is a nut job.

At this point if I was an NFL GM I think I'd avoid all Miami players in the first round. Talented though they may be, your odds of off the field issues increase dramatically.

[rkmsuf]

At this point if I was an NFL GM I think I'd avoid all Miami players in the first round. Talented though they may be, your odds of off the field issues increase dramatically.

I don't necessarily agree with that blanket statement. There are many examples that suggest otherwise.

For any pick you have to factor in the moron quotient.

[moriarty]

I don't necessarily agree with that blanket statement. There are many examples that suggest otherwise.

For any pick you have to factor in the moron quotient.

True, but I'm willing to bet a historical analysis shows your moron quotient percentages increase with Miami players. Of course, my opinion may be jaded by some of the recent antics (Taylor, Winslow).

Supposedly Washington did a thorough background check on Taylor, and yet in just over a year he's skipped mandatory rookie classes, had issues with the media, had a drunk driving arrest overturned, threatened to hold out in his second year for a new contract, and now is waving a gun around and beating people up.

Granted other players from other schools have problems, and maybe it's just because Miami has more people drafted in the first round that it appears worse than it is, but I'd avoid them for a while. Let's see how Antrel Rolle does, as he seems more level headed than the others.

[Samdari]

True, but I'm willing to bet a historical analysis shows your moron quotient percentages increase with Miami players.

Sure, but so does your Pro-Bowl quotient.

[rkmsuf]

True, but I'm willing to bet a historical analysis shows your moron quotient percentages increase with Miami players. Of course, my opinion may be jaded by some of the recent antics (Taylor, Winslow).

Supposedly Washington did a thorough background check on Taylor, and yet in just over a year he's skipped mandatory rookie classes, had issues with the media, had a drunk driving arrest overturned, threatened to hold out in his second year for a new contract, and now is waving a gun around and beating people up.

Granted other players from other schools have problems, and maybe it's just because Miami has more people drafted in the first round that it appears worse than it is, but I'd avoid them for a while. Let's see how Antrel Rolle does, as he seems more level headed than the others.

There were major questions about Taylor prior to the draft. He was rated 70-100 potential in moron.

[moriarty]

Sure, but so does your Pro-Bowl quotient.

True, but it's the boom/bust scenario. Me, I'd rather go for more of a sure thing in the first round than play the 50/50 game.

[moriarty]

There were major questions about Taylor prior to the draft. He was rated 70-100 potential in moron.

Which brings us back to the topic of this thread.

[JPhillips]

I just heard this on the radio. Apparently the Redskins have released a statement saying Taylor is excused from the upcoming mandatory workout and also all voluntary workouts. Does this mean something or are they just willing to let Taylor do whatever the hell he wants with no repurcussions?

[Ksyrup]

Maybe they've excused him because he's unable to travel given his recent arrest.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Or they excused him to let him sort his personal shit out before focusing on practice drills. One must crawl before one can cross-train.

[rkmsuf]

They excused him because you look at him wrong and he's going to shoot you would be my guess.

[cuervo72]

Stop! Or My Safety Will Shoot

[JPhillips]

I'd be okay with the decision to excuse him if it was in conjunction with a statement from Taylor saying he would honor his contract and apologizing for ignoring Gibbs and the team.

It just seems like a very early response to this that gives everything to Taylor while asking nothing in return.

[moriarty]

I'd be okay with the decision to excuse him if it was in conjunction with a statement from Taylor saying he would honor his contract and apologizing for ignoring Gibbs and the team.

It just seems like a very early response to this that gives everything to Taylor while asking nothing in return.

Yeah, if you believe the local radio commentators, Sean Taylor hasn't returned the Redskins calls all summer ... so it seems kinda goofy to excuse him from everything. Then again, I guess they figure he won't be showing up anyways, so they don't lose anything (except respect) for giving him the leeway.

[Shkspr]

It isn't an 'excused' absence as in 'You get to go play some Xbox and smoke dope', it's an 'excused' absence as in 'We don't want your cancer around here. Go grow up'. This is the same kind of excused absence the team gave Trotter, Coles, and Gardner.