OT - Man Arrested for Spitting on Jane Fonda

[NoMyths]

Link: Man Arrested for Spitting on Jane Fonda (http://www.local6.com/entertainment/4397174/detail.html)

Full Text:
Police: Man Arrested For Spitting On Jane Fonda
Fonda Declines To Press Charges

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Police said they arrested a man for spitting on two-time Academy Award-winning actress Jane Fonda during a book-signing stop in Kansas City Tuesday night.

Fonda, 67, spoke at Unity Temple, in The Plaza shopping district, about her new best-selling book, "My Life So Far," and her new movie with Jennifer Lopez called "Monster-In-Law."

At about 9 p.m., police said 54-year-old Michael A. Smith, who had been waiting in line for about 90 minutes, passed a book to Fonda and then spit a large amount of tobacco juice into her face.

They said Smith then ran away and was taken into custody by off-duty officers, who were providing security for the event.

Fonda declined to prosecute Smith.

A Vietnam veteran, Smith was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, which is a city charge.

In 1972, Fonda was photographed sitting in a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft tank.

About her protest involvement in the Vietnam War, Fonda has apologized for her anti-aircraft tank photo, calling it an incredible lapse in judgment. She has not apologized for opposing the war.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If he'll just post an address, he'll receive 10x his cost of bail & legal fees in donations.

[sovereignstar]

Maybe she can write a fucking book about the incident in 10-15 years.

[chinaski]

fuck her, fuck him.

[JasonC23]

fuck her, fuck him.
Is this, like, the X-rated version of "Say You, Say Me"?

[CamEdwards]

i understand the anger and hostility this guy feels towards Jane Fonda... but if you're gonna spit in her face, have the stones to stand there and get arrested rather than try to run away.

[NoMyths]

i understand the anger and hostility this guy feels towards Jane Fonda... but if you're gonna spit in her face, have the stones to stand there and get arrested rather than try to run away.Heh, that was my first reaction to the article as well. :)

[rkmsuf]

how can one possibly care that much about Jane Fonda

[Tigercat]

I am by no means a supporter of Jane Fonda, but I giver her props for being stand up enough not to prosecute and give the guy no props for running away like a pussy.

[Fritz]

how can one possibly care that much about Jane Fonda

well, she is the poster child for lack of support at home for our Vietnam era military members.

[rkmsuf]

well, she is the poster child for lack of support at home for our Vietnam era military members.

uh, so. even more reason to pay her no mind.

I mean the guy did her a favor with more publicity and making her a victim. Great for a book tour.

[rexallllsc]

well, she is the poster child for lack of support at home for our Vietnam era military members.

Did she speak out against soldiers, or was she just anti-Vietnam War?

[Franklinnoble]

i understand the anger and hostility this guy feels towards Jane Fonda... but if you're gonna spit in her face, have the stones to stand there and get arrested rather than try to run away.
Yep. You hit the nail on the head.

Although, I don't really endorse spitting on a woman for any reason. Unless, you know, she's into that sort of thing.

[Fritz]

Did she speak out against soldiers, or was she just anti-Vietnam War?

Fonda, like most anti-Vientam activists, was unkind to all aspects of the war. This includes being unkind to the military members.

Also, going to the enemy nation rises to the level of treason in many people's eyes.

[rkmsuf]

Yep. You hit the nail on the head.

Although, I don't really endorse spitting on a woman for any reason. Unless, you know, she's into that sort of thing.


http://img182.echo.cx/img182/6899/000a50144dp.jpg

Oh, she's into it.

[Ben E Lou]

Fonda, like most anti-Vientam activists, was unkind to all aspects of the war. This includes being unkind to the military members.

Also, going to the enemy nation rises to the level of treason in many people's eyes.Wasn't she photographed with Vietcong soldiers looking through the sites of an AA gun that had been used to shoot down American planes, too? If that's true, then it is more than just "being unkind."

[Surtt]

Did she speak out against soldiers, or was she just anti-Vietnam War?


She had her picture taken during the war manning a Vietnamese anit-aircraft gun.
Basically she was pointing a gun at her own countries troops.

[CamEdwards]

Wasn't she photographed with Vietcong soldiers looking through the sites of an AA gun that had been used to shoot down American planes, too? If that's true, then it is more than just "being unkind."

yes. apparently she also was passed a note by an American POW that he was trying to get to his family. She gave it to the North Vietnamese instead.

[rkmsuf]

she was sitting on a tank I think.

[chinaski]

Is this, like, the X-rated version of "Say You, Say Me"?
......fuuuck em together, naturally. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Fritz]

not objective, but a stating place for those interested:


October-December 1996 Issue
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch



When Jane Fonda traded in her Ho Chi Minh sandals and Viet Cong pajamas for a pair of tights and a leotard, most Americans quickly forgot how the illustrious star of stage and screen had only a few years earlier been one of communist Vietnam's most loyal and fiery supporters. Fonda's involvement with the Vietnam War began in 1967, after several visits with French Communists and underground revolutionaries in this country convinced her America was the bastard nation of the world.
Using her wealth and influence, she managed to garner support from American college campuses, advocating communism and encouraging rebellion and anarchy against the U.S. government. In a speech to Duke University students in 1970, Fonda told the gathering, "If you understood what Communism was, you would hope and pray on your knees that we would someday become Communist."
Not content with spreading her poison within the home ranks, Fonda began soliciting returned Vietnam veterans to speak publicly about alleged atrocities committed by American soldiers against Vietnamese women and children. The broadcasts were coordinated with North Vietnamese officials in Canada.
A series of "Coffee Houses" established outside U.S. military bases was another scheme Fonda concocted to counter the positive effect patriotic entertainers such as Bob Hope, Martha Raye, and according to Fonda "their ilk" were having on the morale of U.S. forces. There, special employees would attract off-duty servicemen, get them relaxed, and then urge them to desert. According to some of those men approached, they were also promised jobs and money if they deserted.
Fonda was the major financial support to one of the most damaging pro-Hanoi groups called Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), which was led for a time by Robert Muller, a Vietnam veteran who had been shot in the spine. VVAW, at its peak membership, mustered about 7,000, some of whom had been indoctrinated in the "Coffee Houses." That organization was later led by Vietnam vet John Kerry, now a U.S. senator and former co-chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs.
In 1972, Fonda took her pro-communist radicalism to North Vietnam. She visited that country's Russian built anti-aircraft emplacements and cheered the spirits of its communist gunners by wearing a gunners steel helmet and peeping through the gun sight, "looking for one of those blue eyed murderers."
At a time when 50,000 U.S. servicemen had already died on the battlefields of Vietnam, Fonda sided with the communists, making radio broadcasts from Hanoi designed to break the morale of U.S. fighting forces while encouraging the North Vietnamese to fight harder and kill more Americans. Fonda's Hanoi radio broadcasts and propaganda films were especially painful and damaging to American servicemen held as prisoners of war by the Hanoi Reds. Communist interrogators used the Fonda recordings, along with starvation and torture in attempting to brainwash American POWs into becoming turncoats.
Upon returning to the United States, Fonda told the world press that U.S. prisoners of war were being well treated and not tortured. Her outrageous claims were later exposed when American POWs were finally freed and told of years of agonizing tortures and inhuman treatment. Fonda responded, not with an apology, but with an accusation calling our returned POWs "liars and hypocrites." Fonda's actions stirred up a firestorm in America, prompting nationwide demands that she be tried for treason.
David Hoffman, a former POW who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1971, said that he had been tortured because of Fonda's visit to Hanoi. "The torture resulted in a permanent injury that plagues me to this day," says Hoffman, who suffers a disfigured arm inflicted by brutal communist guards at the POW camp known as the "Zoo."
"When Jane Fonda turned up, she asked that some of us come out and talk with her," he recalled bitterly. "No one wanted to. The guards got very upset, because they sensed the propaganda value of a famous American war protestor proving how well they were treating us.
"A couple of guards came to my cell and ordered me out. I resisted, and they got violently angry. My arm had been broken when I was shot down, and the Vietnamese broke it a second time. It had not healed well, and they knew it caused me great pain. "They twisted it. Excruciating pain ripped through my body.
"Still I resisted and they got more violent, hitting me and shouting, 'You must go!' I knew there was a limit to which I could push them before they might actually kill me.
"I was dragged out to see Fonda. I decided to play the role. I knew if I didn't, not only would I suffer - but the other guys would be tortured or beaten or worse. "When I saw Fonda and heard her antiwar rhetoric, I was almost sick to my stomach. She called us criminals and murderers.
"When I had to talk to the camera, I used every phony cliche I could. My arm hung limply at my side, and every move caused me pain which showed in my face. \
"When it was over, Fonda unbelievably did not see through the ruse - or she didn't want to. I was taken away politely - then shoved back into my cell.
"I detested Jane Fonda then and I detest her now - but I would fight to the death to protect her right to say what she thinks.
"What she did was a slap in the face to every American. It was wrong, ill-advised and stupid. But it was her right. Unfortunately, it was not my right to refuse to be seen with her.
"There is no way I will ever forget what she did to me. I have the reminder here - in an arm that can never be normal again.
In late January, 1973, Fonda divorced her husband and three days later married pro-communist radical leader Tom Hayden, who had founded the revolutionary Students For Democratic Society in 1962 and was a defendant in the conspiracy trial of the "Chicago Seven."
In 1975, after North Vietnam violated the 1973 "Peace Agreement" resulting in the takeover of South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Hayden greeted the news by saying "I see this as a result of something we have been working toward for a long time." That "we" includes Fonda of course.
Another infamous deed of Fonda is the naming of her son, Troy. Fonda returned to Vietnam shortly after the war ended in 1975, with her small son, to attend a special service being held in her honor. Fonda was still a recognized idol and hero to the Communist regime from her earlier years of sending money, food and moral support to the North Vietnamese.
But the ceremony, it turned out, was not just to recognize and honor Fonda for her love of the Communists. Her newborn son was formally christened and named for the Communist hero Nguyen Van Troi. Troi was a Viet Cong sapper who was executed by the South Vietnamese in 1963 for attempting to assassinate U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
Immediately after the christening ceremony, the baby developed a serious case of bronchitis, according to reports. The Vietnamese and Fonda panicked and called for a Russian doctor. The child was treated and Fonda and her child returned to the United States.
As a result of the communist takeover of South Vietnam, Fonda's friends in Hanoi turned all of Vietnam into a communist Gulag of slave labor camps with police-state oppression and no freedom of speech, press and worship. Millions of Vietnamese were forced to flee their country and turned into homeless "boat people."
Years later, Fonda was invited by NASA as V.I.P. to witness the first space shuttle launching. Apparently, one source said, NASA and its officials felt little or no threat from Fonda's taste for Red Government.
In late 1987, when it became known that Fonda planned to film her new movie "Stanley & Iris," in Waterbury, Conn., there was a huge backlash from local veterans. Veterans held rallies, promising violent demonstrations if the filming began. Many bumper stickers reading "I'M NOT FONDA HANOI JANE," begin appearing throughout the community. On June 18, 1988, Fonda flew to Waterbury in an attempt to pacify the veterans. She met with them for four hours. Fonda later recalled "I told them my story - why I was antiwar and why I had gone to Vietnam."
A few weeks later Fonda appeared on TV with Barbara Walters and apologized saying: "I'm very sorry for some of what I did...I'd like to say something not just to the veterans in Waterbury but to the men in Vietnam who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of the things I said or did. I feel I owe them an apology...There were times when I was thoughtless and careless...I'm very sorry that I hurt them."
The vets did not buy it.
They said Fonda, an award winning actress, was faking an apology because veterans were protesting against her all over the country. As a result of the protest, the vet said, her movies were doing badly and she had been removed from Nabisco Shredded Wheat boxes.
The vets said "no apology will ever erase the pictures of Jane Fonda in giggly bliss, laughing and clapping her hands, as she mounted the gunner's seat of a communist Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun." Bui Tin, a former high ranking Vietnam Communist Party official and North Vietnamese Army colonel who served on the North Vietnamese Army general staff during the war, became disillusioned with communism after the war and went into exile in Paris and the United States. He testified in 1991 before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs about his knowledge of U.S. prisoners of war.
Bui Tin said in a recent interview by Minnesota human rights activist Stephen Young, that Fonda's highly published support of the North Vietnamese gave them "confidence" to continue to fight and "hold on in the face of the battlefield reverses."
When Fonda appeared at a press conference in Hanoi wearing a red Vietnamese dress and declared she was "ashamed of American actions" in the war and that she would struggle along with the communists, "we were elated," Bui Tin said.
He said the American antiwar movement was "essential" to the North Vietnamese strategy for victory. "I'd say a lot of American boys lost their lives because of the encouragement she gave the North Vietnamese," said a former rifle platoon leader from Texas.
In December of 1991, Hanoi Jane, the once fiery communist activist, who advocated violent revolution to overthrow America's democracy and the free enterprise system, married billionaire Ted Turner, a leading American capitalist and chairman of the Atlanta based Turner Broadcasting System Inc., the parent company of Cable News Network.
Today, the communist architects of Ho Chi Minh's brutal war against democracy, freedom and capitalism, which resulted in the deaths of over 3 million North and South Vietnamese, and 58,000 American servicemen, are now "best friends" with Western bankers and capitalist businessmen. They are even traveling the world appealing to foreign investors to bring more big business and money back to Vietnam, so like Hanoi Jane, they too can be rich.
A veteran summed it up: "It is a shame that some of those who fought so well for America can be treated as 'forgotten ghosts' and left to rot as POWs in Hanoi's prisons, while those like Fonda, who so passionately supported our enemy and condemned our system of government, are now overwhelmingly blessed by its wealth."

[Ben E Lou]

yes. apparently she also was passed a note by an American POW that he was trying to get to his family. She gave it to the North Vietnamese instead.Ummmmm....are you serious? What in the world does it take to get someone hung for high treason in this country?????? If that happened and charges weren't at least brought against her, we've been PC for far longer than I realized. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Desnudo]

how can one possibly care that much about Jane Fonda

She doesn't even have a motor in the back of her Honda.

[Franklinnoble]

She doesn't even have a motor in the back of her Honda.
My anaconda don't wan't none...

[rkmsuf]

She doesn't even have a motor in the back of her Honda.

true.

I mean nobody had a problem buying her workout video. Nobody boycotted On Golden Pond.

Let her pull her face back and get chin lifts in peace.

[chinaski]

lol, Fritz quoting Ted Sampley, what a shock?!?!?!?! http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[sachmo71]

According to snopes, the passing the POW message on to the viet cong is false.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp


She's apologized on numerous occations. I think it's time to move on.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ummmmm....are you serious? What in the world does it take to get someone hung for high treason in this country?????? If that happened and charges weren't at least brought against her, we've been PC for far longer than I realized. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

Actually, I believe that story has been debunked as a hoax, one that some observers believe may have actually been planted by Fonda supporters
(in an effort to come up with some "see, poor Jane, it's not true" sympathy).

You can Google it up & find all sorts of stuff about this particular incident.

[Fritz]

lol, Fritz quoting Ted Sampley, what a shock?!?!?!?! :rolleseyes:

It was the first article I could find that was not about John Kerry (blame the internet oversaturation of Kerry articles).

Anyhow, I said it was not objective so you can roll the eyes back from staring at the vacant cavity you call a skull.

[VPI97]

I'd spit on her too.

[chinaski]

It was the first article I could find that was not about John Kerry (blame the internet oversaturation of Kerry articles).

Anyhow, I said it was not objective so you can roll the eyes back from staring at the vacant cavity you call a skull.
Right, but why throw out PURE lies and call it a starting point? Looks like you fooled yourself by not realizing what a known LIAR Sampley is. The guy is pure trash, and has been caught in multiple lies, including jail time and a restraining order for fist fighting with McCains staff.

[Samdari]

According to snopes, the passing the POW message on to the viet cong is false.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp


She's apologized on numerous occations. I think it's time to move on.

I admit, I read most of this thread with the same thought. But, something about her financially supporting a regime the US was fighting a war against indicates what she did was actually treason. It may not be time to move on, it may actually be time to prosecute.

In any case, the guy is a coward both for spitting on her no matter her views, actions or comments, and for running away afterwards.

[Fritz]

Right, but why throw out PURE lies and call it a starting point? Looks like you fooled yourself by not realizing what a known LIAR Sampley is. The guy is pure trash, and has been caught in multiple lies, including jail time and a restraining order for fist fighting with McCains staff.


Well, I am not an expert on this matter, but I suppose some facts would be easy to check if one wanted to (sort of like a starting place...)

1.) In a speech to Duke University students in 1970, Fonda told the gathering, "If you understood what Communism was, you would hope and pray on your knees that we would someday become Communist."

2.) Fonda, in coordination with North Vietnamese officials in Canada, solicited Vietnam veterans to speak publicly about alleged atrocities committed by American soldiers coordinated with.

3.) Fonda supported desertion.

4.) Fonda was the major financial support to one of the most damaging pro-Hanoi groups called Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW),

5.) Fonda visited that country's Russian built anti-aircraft emplacements and cheered the spirits of its communist gunners.

6.) Fonda sided with the communists, making radio broadcasts from Hanoi designed to break the morale of U.S. fighting forces while encouraging the North Vietnamese to fight harder and kill more Americans.

7.) Fonda was honored after the war by the North Vietnamese.

I don't know if any of the above are true, I suspect at least a few of them are. Feel free to look them up and report back if you hav a problem with my source.

There is at least some perception that they are true. To the question of why people are not Fonda Jane, perception is all that is important.

[rkmsuf]

The shame of being in Leonard Part 6 is enough.

[flere-imsaho]

She went too far when she slapped that kid, though.

[gottimd]

The shame of being in Leonard Part 6 is enough.
Best Movie ever! I await part 7 eagerly.

[rkmsuf]

I think they are planning a series of prequels.

[gottimd]

I think they are planning a series of prequels.
PART 7 DAMMIT NOT PART 1-5!

[Blackadar]

Instead of "Man Arrested for Spitting on Jane Fonda"

This headline would have been far more interesting if it was:

"Jane Fonda arrested for spitting out man"

I may have actually cared to read it then.

[CamEdwards]

According to snopes, the passing the POW message on to the viet cong is false.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp


She's apologized on numerous occations. I think it's time to move on.

thanks for the info, Sach.

[Subby]

I believed and advocated a lot of stupid stuff when I was young. I don't think it is fair to hold someone at fault for the views of their youth...

I'll never really understand how she escaped prosecution for treason, however...

[Raiders Army]

I believed and advocated a lot of stupid stuff when I was young. I don't think it is fair to hold someone at fault for the views of their youth...

Very true, but she was 34 years old when she went to North Vietnam. I think we can hold her accountable for their views and actions.

[rkmsuf]

Very true, but she was 34 years old when she went to North Vietnam. I think we can hold her accountable for their views and actions.

Accountable yes. Don't buy her book, don't watch her on tv. Spit in her face, no.

[Desnudo]

I don't see what spitting in anyone's face accomplishes, other than grossing out any eye witnesses.

[sachmo71]

I don't see what spitting in anyone's face accomplishes, other than grossing out any eye witnesses.


It's the universally understood sign of "You disgust me."
Yes, it's universal. Note to the curious...don't spit on Rigelians.

[lungs]

It would be better if this guy was chewing a big wad of chewing tobacco when he spit on her. That would be sending a message.

[chinaski]

It would be better if this guy was chewing a big wad of chewing tobacco when he spit on her. That would be sending a message.
consider the message sent then.

[lungs]

consider the message sent then.

Was he chewing tobacco? That would make it a much more newsworthy event. Who cares if somebody spit in Jane Fonda's face? Now spitting tobacco into somebody's face is has a little more humor to it.

[Desnudo]

Was he chewing tobacco? That would make it a much more newsworthy event. Who cares if somebody spit in Jane Fonda's face? Now spitting tobacco into somebody's face is has a little more humor to it.

*cough* read the article *cough*

"At about 9 p.m., police said 54-year-old Michael A. Smith, who had been waiting in line for about 90 minutes, passed a book to Fonda and then spit a large amount of tobacco juice into her face."

[lungs]

*cough* read the article *cough*

"At about 9 p.m., police said 54-year-old Michael A. Smith, who had been waiting in line for about 90 minutes, passed a book to Fonda and then spit a large amount of tobacco juice into her face."


Ahhh, I'm a bit slow. It is 4-20 after all.

That is pretty funny. I heard it stings pretty bad if it gets in your eye from a guy who claims to have started chewing at age 3.

[GoldenEagle]

I agree that spitting on her face was a drastic action. I was not alive in the Vietnam war area, so it is hard for me to comment. To be honest, I have never heard of Jane Fonda. I will admit, though, that I am sort of under a rock when it comes to movies before my time.

But I think it just goes to show the public opinion of the Vietnam war. If she would have done this during WWII I think it would be safe to say she would have been trialed of treason or ex-communicated to some remote third world country.

[flere-imsaho]

But I think it just goes to show the public opinion of the Vietnam war. If she would have done this during WWII I think it would be safe to say she would have been trialed of treason or ex-communicated to some remote third world country.

Well, Charles Lindberg wasn't.

[st.cronin]

Well, Charles Lindberg wasn't.

I don't think that's really comparable. If Fonda had merely been a Communist, without the PR visits to Hanoi, you might be on to something.

Lots of celebrity types during the Vietnam era were either Communist or sympathetic, but didn't go to Hanoi. They are not reviled today the way Fonda is.

[Fritz]

Well, Charles Lindberg wasn't.

Lindy visited Nazi Germany before the war on a mission for the US Govt (iirc). He supported staying out of the war. Once the war started he was part of the war effort. Some would argue a very important part of the war effort.

[ice4277]

I don't agree with what the guy did but I can sympathize with why he did it, if that makes any sense.