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chinaski
05-11-2005, 10:51 AM
The Question: Should the Military be Exempt from the EPA?

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May 11, 2005
<nyt_headline version="1.0" type=" "> </nyt_headline> Pentagon Is Asking Congress to Loosen Environmental Laws

<nyt_byline version="1.0" type=" "> </nyt_byline> <nyt_text> </nyt_text> WASHINGTON, May 10 - After three unsuccessful tries, the Pentagon is asking Congress again this year to loosen major environmental laws to allow military training exercises around the country to proceed unimpeded.

Military officials say the requested changes, which could be approved this week as part of the defense authorization bill for 2006, are essential to preserve the quality of training and to avoid lawsuits over possible violations of statutes that govern air, water and waste.

With more than 100,000 American military personnel in Iraq, training issues have taken on a heightened sense of urgency, giving the request a better chance of passing this year despite opposition from environmental advocacy groups and state and local governments.

"Workarounds, while sounding reasonable and feasible, cannot sacrifice realistic combat training," Paul W. Mayberry, a deputy under secretary of defense, said in a speech last month, referring to interruptions to military exercises. "All too often, such workarounds chip away at basic fabric and underpinnings of the training objectives."

Mr. Mayberry cited several examples, including the way troops headed for Iraq learned to roll up their tents, a security issue at night because of the way light reflects off the material. In training, he said, they were faced with "an environmental requirement" not to disturb desert tortoises in the training area.

Dozens of groups have complained to Congress that the military's needs are covered by the laws that they seek to change and that waivers would result in conditions getting worse on and around the nation's military bases, endangering the health of millions of people.

As the owner of 425 active bases and more than 10,000 training ranges, the Defense Department is widely regarded as one of the nation's leading polluters, producing vast amounts of chemicals from ordnance that leach into groundwater, as well as air pollution from military vehicles. The Environmental Protection Agency lists more than 130 Superfund sites on military bases.

"Congress would never consider letting the nation's biggest corporate polluter off the hook," Heather Taylor, deputy legislative director for the Natural Resources Defense Council, said in a conference call with reporters. "Why, then, would Congress grant immunity to America's, and the world's, largest polluter?"

Since 2001, the Pentagon has been asking Congress for greater latitude in complying with environmental laws. When it came to birds and animals, lawmakers were willing to compromise, granting exemptions to federal laws. But they have been more resistant to changes that might affect human health under the Clean Air Act; the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, dealing with solid waste; and the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation and Liability Act, which deals with toxic wastes and is better known as the Superfund law.

A request for changes under those statutes is before the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which has yet to take it up, and the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is expected to finish a bill by Friday.

Under the changes proposed, the military would have an additional three years to reach compliance with clean air standards in areas where training exercises have produced new levels of pollution. Under the solid waste statutes, the definition of "solid waste" for military purposes would no longer include explosives, weapon materials or munitions. And a waiver to the Superfund law would allow the military to cap financial liability for cleaning up toxic sites.

Maj. Susan Idziak, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the Clean Air Act proposal would give states and the Defense Department adequate time to adjust to emissions from new military readiness activities.

"The department has experienced several close calls where the relocation of military readiness activities could have been stymied by the conformity requirements of the Clean Air Act," Major Idziak said.

The other changes, she said, would clarify "ambiguities in the law" in the face of two lawsuits against the Defense Department aimed at stopping training, "potentially setting a precedent that could be applied at any range in the U.S."

Opponents to the waiver request say the Pentagon has not demonstrated a need to change the laws.

Genaro Lopez, a union leader from San Antonio who participated in the conference call, said health officials there had documented hundreds of cases in recent years of cancer and neuromuscular disease from groundwater contaminated by Kelly Air Force Base, which closed in 1995.

Another participant, Terry Dyer, the organizer of an environmental health group in North Carolina, said contamination from Camp Lejeune that began in the 1940's exposed residents to "a cocktail of chemicals" that have caused elevated levels of illness.

Jerry Ensminger, a 24-year Marine veteran based at Camp Lejeune, told Congress last year that his daughter, Jane, was 6 when she she received a diagnosis of leukemia in 1982. She died three years later.

As a result of her death and others, the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, a branch of the Department of Health and Human Services, surveyed more than 12,000 women who were pregnant and were living at Camp Lejeune from 1968 through 1985 and found 103 children whose health was compromised in utero by exposure to contaminated water that their mothers drank.

Opponents of the waivers also pointed to Congressional testimony last year in which a senior Pentagon official, in response to questions, offered no examples of complaints involving existing environmental laws.

Ben Cohen, deputy general counsel for environment and installations at the Pentagon, appearing at a joint hearing of two House subcommittees, said that in response to a 2003 query from Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, no base commander cited any problems. Nor did Mr. Cohen identify any governor or Environmental Protection Agency official who had complained about the military's compliance with environmental laws.

That prompted Representative John D. Dingell, a Michigan Democrat and the ranking member of the Energy and Commerce Committee, to tell Mr. Cohen, "I am trying to figure out what you are doing here."
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This just reeks of BS to me. I would wager this is another attempt to undermine EPA regulations across the board, what about Military contractors? Will they be exempt as well? I find the training exercise excuse an insulting coverup, why would you need COMPLETE immunity from all EPA law, just to run a training exercise? total lies. If this passes, which it will, the military can and will dump any type of biohazard, chemical weapon, etc. anywhere they please on a military site. Funny how this has never been an issue until the last 3 years. Funny how the Military and Halliburton have many environmental lawsuits pending against them, its funny how this would cap all financial liability, funny how this is just tacked on to something as important as the defense authorization bill for 2006. Grant full immunity to one of the largest polluters in the world, sure!

gstelmack
05-11-2005, 10:59 AM
The tortoise example is just one case that shows where a compromise is needed. I agree that they should still have pollution restrictions (the fallout results from nuclear testing in the 40s and 50s are good enough reason to show this), but have you ever seen a map of some of these bases where all the areas that protected animals live in and so are off limits to most training are marked? It's ridiculous.

Arles
05-11-2005, 11:11 AM
I think this is one case where common sense would be a great asset to both sides. On one hand, the military has been significantly better at cleaning up after itself over the past 20 years. Most of the studies run in the late 80s and 90s show this (which is one reason why this writer needs to go back to the 40s to find blatent misuse by the military). On the other side, the public outcry and media scrutiny on the press' already most-hated enemy (the military) if the US military did try and "dump any type of biohazard, chemical weapon, etc. anywhere they please on a military site" would be enormous. Many of the current legislation involve situations where a group wants to protect an area for its own reasons, creates some new species of owl, fish or bird that often is extremely close to another that is prevelant and uses that exception to keep the military from important training areas.

Now, I wouldn't have a problem with coming up with a more relaxed set of safety regulations to ensure "worst case" scenerios don't occur, but I also think that the military deserves more leeway than your average corporation. In the end, the people own and run the military which gives us options if they screw up (compared to corp ownership).

Mr. Wednesday
05-11-2005, 12:22 PM
It seems to me that if there are widespread problems similar to the tortoise issue, it should be possible to craft a limited waiver that balances the military's needs with the environment. I wouldn't want to see this used as an excuse to grant a blanket waiver, however.

NoMyths
05-11-2005, 12:30 PM
It's very smart of the military to highlight the small (and seemingly inane) problem of disturbing tortoises, making folks focus on that issue, rather than the more common and larger environmental problems that can result from a relaxation of regulations.

MrBigglesworth
05-11-2005, 12:40 PM
On the other side, the public outcry and media scrutiny on the press' already most-hated enemy (the military)...
What? :confused:

Arles
05-11-2005, 12:48 PM
What? :confused:
There is no area of the government (or even private sector) that takes more shots from the media than the defense department and defense contractors. I didn't think this was much of a secret.

MrBigglesworth
05-11-2005, 01:07 PM
There is no area of the government (or even private sector) that takes more shots from the media than the defense department and defense contractors. I didn't think this was much of a secret.
It's news to me. And I think if it were true, Rumsfeld would not still be Sec Def. To say that the press is leery of the military would be accurate (that's the press' job), but to call it it's 'most hated enemy' I think is a bit of a rhetorical flourish, especially considering the free pass the military gets from the conservative media.

gstelmack
05-11-2005, 01:13 PM
It's very smart of the military to highlight the small (and seemingly inane) problem of disturbing tortoises, making folks focus on that issue, rather than the more common and larger environmental problems that can result from a relaxation of regulations.
If you think its just a problem of disturbing tortoises, you are sadly mistaken. It's protected species all over the place. Fort Bragg has a woodpecker that's protected, for example. A quick web search turned up several other instances.

NoMyths
05-11-2005, 01:17 PM
If you think its just a problem of disturbing tortoises, you are sadly mistaken. It's protected species all over the place. Fort Bragg has a woodpecker that's protected, for example. A quick web search turned up several other instances.Um, I know. I thought that was obvious. To make it more clear: protected species are in many ways the most minor of the concerns for environmental protection as it applies to the military. Which is why it's smart of the military to portray it as a ridiculous position to protect tortoises vs. fighting terrorists.

Blackadar
05-11-2005, 01:22 PM
What? :confused:

I agree. :confused:

As for the OP, I get pretty damned tired of Congress, the military, etc. getting exemptions for what the rest of us have to adhere to. If it's good enough for the rest of us to be required to abide by something, then it's good enough for them. I believe this is a load of horseshit and an exemption would very quickly get abused.

Heroes in a half-shell...TURTLE POWER!

gstelmack
05-11-2005, 01:28 PM
As for the OP, I get pretty damned tired of Congress, the military, etc. getting exemptions for what the rest of us have to adhere to. If it's good enough for the rest of us to be required to abide by something, then it's good enough for them. I believe this is a load of horseshit and an exemption would very quickly get abused.
Before I get accused of being on the military's side completely on this, I'll state upfront that I agree a blanket exemption is bad. Some compromise needs to be reached on specific issues, but a blanket exemption is bad.

But this blanket statement above is absurd. There are some cases where government employees MUST have exemptions for stuff the rest of us do. For example, are you now expecting ambulance drivers to have to obey the speed limit? And a soldier most certainly has an exemption for most killings he commits (under circumstances of war; they are still liable for murder outside of the typical and expected bounds).

I will agree that SOME exemptions they get are ridiculous. The check kiting/bouncing scandal a few years back being a classic one.

st.cronin
05-11-2005, 08:15 PM
This thread has so far been filled with common sense. Who are you people?

KeyserSoze
05-12-2005, 02:25 AM
I canīt believe that a country with 9.372.610 kmē cannot make their military exercises in places where they cannot break the enviromental laws.

And if the Army can break the law... why not the medicine industry? For me is as important as army... and car industry? well if we produces tanks and it can pollute, cars will polute less... and oil industry? well some oil goes to the army....

I will use a simple law for the army. The army must pay the double of the harm to enviromental services. If the army destroy 1000 trees, they must pay the plant of 2.000. If they pollute a river, they must pay the cleaning of 2 rivers.

ice4277
05-12-2005, 04:45 AM
I agree with those who suggested a limited exemption. Perhaps it should be given on a location-by-location basis, although that would likely involve a very large amount of red tape and bureaucratic posturing. I'm not sure there is a good solution to this, although I am fairly positive that there should not be a blanket exemption given, nor should the military be without some flexibility in this issue.

Poli
05-12-2005, 06:09 AM
I just want to be able to dump trash overboard less than 25 miles from sea. That's all. :)

Blasted recycling.

Bee
05-12-2005, 06:11 AM
I will use a simple law for the army. The army must pay the double of the harm to enviromental services. If the army destroy 1000 trees, they must pay the plant of 2.000. If they pollute a river, they must pay the cleaning of 2 rivers.

The current mitigation standard is 10 times.

Bee
05-12-2005, 06:12 AM
I agree with those who suggested a limited exemption. Perhaps it should be given on a location-by-location basis, although that would likely involve a very large amount of red tape and bureaucratic posturing. I'm not sure there is a good solution to this, although I am fairly positive that there should not be a blanket exemption given, nor should the military be without some flexibility in this issue.

There are already laws in place to provide case by case exemptions through the NEPA process. And yes, it takes a very long time.