Yo Adrian! You Did It!

[KevinNU7]

It's official. My fiance is pregnant! :D

[LoneStarGirl]

Congratulations!

I Want a baby!

[rkmsuf]

So I guess you were serious about this marriage thing.

[NoMyths]

Congratulations!

I Want a baby!Why?

[condors]

congrats!

[Samdari]

Congratulations!

I Want a baby!

How about a 6 month old who won't sleep. Ever.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think i just want to go through that pregnancy thing. But once the baby is born i'll just give it to GE to watch all the time. Yep, that definitly sounds like a plan.

[Joe]

did you get the good news on orgasm day?

[FrogMan]

Why?
that is a sad reply... children bring so much into one's life...

Congrats Kevin! Your life will change, but for the better :)

Good luck with the pregnancy.

FM

[SackAttack]

that is a sad reply... children bring so much into one's life...

Because life just isn't complete until a little bundle of joy takes a dump while you're holding it.

[KevinNU7]

My only negative on the issue is that the due date is Janaury 14th and the wedding was planned for Janaury 7th. We'll have to move it into 2005 but other then that everything is cool. Oh, and the fact that I could get laid off at any moment because my CEO is stupid and sold out for $150M

[SackAttack]

My only negative on the issue is that the due date is Janaury 14th and the wedding was planned for Janaury 7th. We'll have to move it into 2005 but other then that everything is cool. Oh, and the fact that I could get laid off at any moment because my CEO is stupid and sold out for $150M

It's already 2005, dude. ;)

[FrogMan]

Because life just isn't complete until a little bundle of joy takes a dump while you're holding it.
sure, who said it was gonna be easy. I mean having the kid call you, say "papa papa", or simply realize that waving and saying "byebye" when someone puts on his/her coat to leave is the thing to do, well, it's simply magic. I'm not questioning people's choice, simply saying that my sons are simply the best, wouldn't have it any other way, even if that now means we're not going out anymore, or our lives are dedicated to watching out for them...

FM

[rkmsuf]

It's already 2005, dude. ;)

Maybe she already had the baby.

[Desnudo]

Aren't you a little pissed at this Adrian guy?

[SackAttack]

Maybe she already had the baby.

It had better be official by that point, wouldn't you say?

[KevinNU7]

It's already 2005, dude. ;)
The wedding was schedule for January 7th, 2006. I said we'd have to move the wedding into 2005 (sorry I didn't say "this year")

[SackAttack]

That makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[rkmsuf]

the rare winter wedding

[oliegirl]

Congrats!!! Babies are awesome...

[NoMyths]

I think i just want to go through that pregnancy thing. But once the baby is born i'll just give it to GE to watch all the time. Yep, that definitly sounds like a plan.Not a good enough reason to bring a soul into the world. Even if you're partly being funny. ;)

that is a sad reply... children bring so much into one's life...Questioning why a person wants to have a baby is sad? I'd argue that bringing a soul into the world is a pretty big responsibility, and shouldn't be undertaken lightly. But I'm certainly aware that is an extremely minority view.

[Logan]

My boys can swim!

[Samdari]

sure, who said it was gonna be easy. I mean having the kid call you, say "papa papa", or simply realize that waving and saying "byebye" when someone puts on his/her coat to leave is the thing to do, well, it's simply magic. I'm not questioning people's choice, simply saying that my sons are simply the best, wouldn't have it any other way, even if that now means we're not going out anymore, or our lives are dedicated to watching out for them...

Be careful here though. YOU wouldn't have it any other way. You seem to want to project that feeling onto everyone - and for some people the rewards do not catch up to the sacrifices.

You should not be saying "children bring so much into one's life" as that implies it is universal. If your children have brought that much into your life, you should be sharing that with everyone, but don't assume that everyone will have the same reaction.

[FrogMan]

Be careful here though. YOU wouldn't have it any other way. You seem to want to project that feeling onto everyone - and for some people the rewards do not catch up to the sacrifices.

You should not be saying "children bring so much into one's life" as that implies it is universal. If your children have brought that much into your life, you should be sharing that with everyone, but don't assume that everyone will have the same reaction.
I may seem to you that way, sorry, I didn't mean it that way. By giving generic examples of what they brought to me, I meant to share it it with everyone as you say.

I simply thought that your sarcastic comment about how unfun having a kid can be was a bit negative. I, more often than not, try to go the way of pointing out, or sharing, positive things more than trying to find negative ones.

FM

[judicial clerk]

Adrian Zmed?

[Blackadar]

The only thing I can say after reading the original post...

Adrian may have done it but the real question is - did you? ;)

[Samdari]

I simply thought that your sarcastic comment about how unfun having a kid can be was a bit negative. I, more often than not, try to go the way of pointing out, or sharing, positive things more than trying to find negative ones.

Well, first of all, I didn't make the initial sarcastic comment you are talking about (at least I think I did not).

Only pointing out the positive aspects of having children is incredibly one-sided, and deceptive to potential parents. There are a ton of negatives, which are omnipresent and can be oppressive. When mentioning the joy you get from being called daddy, you should also mention that it has been years since you decided what to do with a single moment of your time, and that household chores have tripled, while sleep hours have gone down 50%.

[FrogMan]

Well, first of all, I didn't make the initial sarcastic comment you are talking about (at least I think I did not).

Only pointing out the positive aspects of having children is incredibly one-sided, and deceptive to potential parents. There are a ton of negatives, which are omnipresent and can be oppressive. When mentioning the joy you get from being called daddy, you should also mention that it has been years since you decided what to do with a single moment of your time, and that household chores have tripled, while sleep hours have gone down 50%.
Sorry, you're right, Sackattack made the sarcastic comment.

And why would it be so bad that *I* present a one sided, positive view, compared to sackattack, or anybody else's, negative one sided view?

Ton of negatives? Not in my eyes. Should we all put disclaimers to what we post? This was my opinion that the "why?" comment was a sad one, then I simply said that you could not judge if children are a good thing or not by judging on one negative aspect and I then gave examples of positive aspects, which to me are important. You sort of implied that I wanted to project that feeling to others, which wasn't really my intention.

FM

[SackAttack]

Sorry, you're right, Sackattack made the sarcastic comment.

And why would it be so bad that *I* present a one sided, positive view, compared to sackattack, or anybody else's, negative one sided view?

Who's negative? I was cracking jokes.

[NoMyths]

This was my opinion that the "why?" comment was a sad one [...]Since I asked this above and didn't get a response, I'll restate the question: so you would argue that it is always good that someone wants a child, regardless of anything else? My sense is that you are arguing yes, considering that merely asking what a person's reasons for wanting a child are is sad to you.

[FrogMan]

Who's negative? I was cracking jokes.
sorry, humor doesn't always register well with text. Without a smiley, I didn't get the feeling you were joking.

FM

[FrogMan]

Since I asked this above and didn't get a response, I'll restate the question: so you would argue that it is always good that someone wants a child, regardless of anything else? My sense is that you are arguing yes, considering that merely asking what a person's reasons for wanting a child are is sad to you.
No, i don't argue anything. I don't know that person's life. If she comes and simply says "I want a baby!" who am I to question her? I don't know her life, I don't know her priorities, or how she lives her life... I simply found it odd that out of nowhere, it was asked "why?"...

FM

[rkmsuf]

This is like a bad Abbott and Costello routine.

[KevinNU7]

the rare winter wedding
My fiance is in law school and we decided to get married during her winter break rather then waiting an additional 9 months later after she took the bar exam.

And anyone who doesn't get the title of this thread needs to watch Rocky II again

[NoMyths]

No, i don't argue anything. I don't know that person's life. If she comes and simply says "I want a baby!" who am I to question her? I don't know her life, I don't know her priorities, or how she lives her life... I simply found it odd that out of nowhere, it was asked "why?"...Ah. Yeah, sometimes I'm known to ask an odd question or two. This is a debate I've revisited over the years with friends about the whys of having children, and my main conclusion is that it stems from selfish reasons. While this isn't necessarily a bad thing (although I'd make the argument that it is), I thought I'd see if that was the case again when the issue came up in this thread. The answer seems to be yup. But the asking of the question wasn't intended to be positive or negative...just looking for someone else's reasons. I've heard some good ones to go along with the not-so-good. :)

[SackAttack]

This is like a bad Abbott and Costello routine.

Third base!

[rkmsuf]

Third base!


why?

[NoMyths]

Oh, and apologies for the threadjacking. :)

[Joe]

My fiance is in law school and we decided to get married during her winter break rather then waiting an additional 9 months later after she took the bar exam.

And anyone who doesn't get the title of this thread needs to watch Rocky II again


but Adrian is a dude's name. Adrienne would be the female.

[FrogMan]

The wedding was schedule for January 7th, 2006. I said we'd have to move the wedding into 2005 (sorry I didn't say "this year")
back to somehow on topic, but it just hit me that your situation will be very similar to ours as in that we got married on January 11th, when my wife was all of 6 months pregnant with our first son :)

FM

[KevinNU7]

but Adrian is a dude's name. Adrienne would be the female.
Spelling is subjective

[SackAttack]

why?

Because!

[rkmsuf]

Because!

Oh, it sounded like you thought everyone should try to be on third base when not everyone may want to be on third base. I've seen that it's mostly for selfish reasons people go for third base.

[sterlingice]

"Mommy, daddy, stop fighting. "

SI

[SackAttack]

Oh, it sounded like you thought everyone should try to be on third base when not everyone may want to be on third base. I've seen that it's mostly for selfish reasons people go for third base.

Who doesn't want to be on third base?

[JeeberD]

Congratulations!

I Want a baby!

Run, GE! Flee into the woods!!!

[finkenst]

Ah. Yeah, sometimes I'm known to ask an odd question or two. This is a debate I've revisited over the years with friends about the whys of having children, and my main conclusion is that it stems from selfish reasons. While this isn't necessarily a bad thing (although I'd make the argument that it is), I thought I'd see if that was the case again when the issue came up in this thread. The answer seems to be yup. But the asking of the question wasn't intended to be positive or negative...just looking for someone else's reasons. I've heard some good ones to go along with the not-so-good. :)
with birth control and contraceptives readily available, is there a non-selfish reason to have children these days?
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Desnudo]

with birth control and contraceptives readily available, is there a non-selfish reason to have children these days?
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

I've been unselfishly spreading my seed far and wide for years.

[jeff061]

If you want to read into it that much, everything we do and every action we have taken or will take is for selfish reasons.

So lets leave it at human nature ;).

[NoMyths]

with birth control and contraceptives readily available, is there a non-selfish reason to have children these days?
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gifI just think folks should have a good reason for bringing a soul into the world, considering what one goes through.

[finkenst]

I just think folks should have a good reason for bringing a soul into the world, considering what one goes through.
i'm just curious, NoMyths, what would be a good reason?

Consummation of marriage?
God's will?
Simple biological propogation of the species?

[KevinNU7]

Yes, I'm curious as to what is a good reason too

[NoMyths]

The best reason I've heard is that one would want a new soul to experience the joys that this existence can offer, which were felt to surpass the suffering.

The poorest reason has traditionally been "I want one."

To my mind, there is a tremendous responsibility in bringing a soul into existence, considering what can happen to one.

[KevinNU7]

could you be more depressing?

[FrogMan]

Kevin, don't get brought down, some *will* tell you otherwise, but you're in for some amazingly great moments my friend. Yeah, I'm biased, sue me :D

Good luck in your new life :)

FM

[NoMyths]

could you be more depressing?Yes, actually. :)

But no worries, man...it really wasn't my intention to rain on your happiness. I'm sure that you will be a wonderful parent, and I wish you and your fiance much success and joy in raising your child.

[BrianD]

I just think folks should have a good reason for bringing a soul into the world, considering what one goes through.

I would say wanting to bring a soul into the world is a good enough reason. If someone wants to create a life, there is a very good chance that they will care well for the kid.

It is those that don't want a kid but don't take adequate steps to prevent it that you need to ask "why?".

[Pumpy Tudors]

So who's the father?