NBA Mock Draft Ridiculousness

[korme]

They are saying the Hawks would take Andrew Bogut with the #1, and then Marvin Williams would go #2.

They are about the same size, but Williams is more athletic and his ceiling has to be higher. If they take Bogut number 1, they deserve what they will get out of him (10, 7).

ALWAYS take the young black guy over the 4 year pro white center!

[st.cronin]

I would take Chris Paul over either of those two.

[sovereignstar]

I thought black men went all haywire with money though. Wouldn't the white guy be a safer bet?
:P

[Karlifornia]

Bogut is the next Tim Duncan *hides behind tree*

[st.cronin]

Bogut is the next Tim Duncan *hides behind tree*

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[dawgfan]

Just for clarification Shorty, Bogut has only played 2 years of college ball (compared to Williams' 1) and is only 1.5 years older than Williams.

If I'm the Hawks, I've got a reasonable debate going on between Bogut and Williams - I don't think there's any question Williams is more athletic, but is he better? If Williams stayed another season, would he have the same level of improvement from year 1 to year 2 that Bogut had? What is Bogut's true height? Is he a legit 7'0" like the Utah media guides say, or is he closer to 6'10" like some websites have speculated?

I think this is a season where there are a lot of pretty good prospects, but no clear-cut top-pick-of-the-draft guys.

[Joe]

Bogut is the next Tim Duncan *hides behind tree*

or the next Luc Longley.

[dawgfan]

Dola - I'm realizing that Shorty probably meant he thinks Bogut is only going to last 4 years in the League, rather than saying he was a 4-year college player.

I doubt Bogut is going to bust that hard that he ends up a 4-year flame-out.

[st.cronin]

I don't get Marvin Williams - if he was that good, wouldn't he have STARTED in college? I know he can jump out of the gym, but his upside is probably Corey Maggette.

Chris Paul looks to me like a bonafide star point guard, and those are extremely rare. I don't see how you pass him up.

[judicial clerk]

Bogut is the next Tim Duncan *hides behind tree*

Do you mean Tim Duncan in accounting?

[Bomber]

No official measurements have come out yet (they won't until Chicago). Bogut is a pure center. Williams is a 3/4. Bogut held his own as a 19 year old in the Olympics including matching up against Tim Duncan. Williams was a role player for UNC. You don't pass up on a potentially dominating center, and besides most of the mocks on the internet (NBADraft.net and DraftCity.com) are not taking into account team needs.

[korme]

I don't get Marvin Williams - if he was that good, wouldn't he have STARTED in college? I know he can jump out of the gym, but his upside is probably Corey Maggette.

Chris Paul looks to me like a bonafide star point guard, and those are extremely rare. I don't see how you pass him up.
I have reason to believe you are educated enough to know that Maggette only stayed one year at Duke, and didn't start at all, just like Marvin (where I think the comparison is coming from).

That said, Corey Maggette will have a better career than Bogut's going to have. So your point loses in my eyes. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

And my bad, I was thinking Bogut didn't leave early, though I knew he did. When I posted that, I was thinking along the lines of Chris Mihm, Michael Doleac, etc.

[st.cronin]

I have reason to believe you are educated enough to know that Maggette only stayed one year at Duke, and didn't start at all, just like Marvin (where I think the comparison is coming from).

That said, Corey Maggette will have a better career than Bogut's going to have. So your point loses in my eyes. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

And my bad, I was thinking Bogut didn't leave early, though I knew he did. When I posted that, I was thinking along the lines of Chris Mihm, Michael Doleac, etc.

I would probably take Williams over Bogut, yes. I don't think Bogut will be one of the ten best players taken in this draft, though.

[VPI97]

I would take Chris Paul over either of those two. Yeah...it would be like getting Allen Iverson. Without all the scoring...or talent.

[bbor]

Dear NBA god.....please let Chris Paul slide to the raptors :)

[Tigercat]

Not to compare Bogut to Yao too much, because Yao is obviously a good deal bigger and they are different kinds of inside players, but lots of people thought Yao couldn't succeed as an NBA center either. If a player like Yao or Bogut holds his own against NBA players in the Olympics and has the size to play in the NBA, they should be drafted in the top 5, period. And if you want to read the future out of thin air and say Bogut can't succeed in the NBA you run the risk of being as wrong as others were about Yao, because neither showed beforehand that they were real risks of failing as NBA prospects.

[ThunderingHERD]

I don't get Marvin Williams - if he was that good, wouldn't he have STARTED in college? I know he can jump out of the gym, but his upside is probably Corey Maggette.

Isn't it obvious that he didn't start because he played behind 5 established upperclassmen on the deepest and best team in the country? How 'bout let's exprapolate his numbers out to starter-type minutes:


MIN PTS FG% FT% 3P% REB AST STL BLK

22.2 11.3 .506 .847 .432 6.6 0.7 1.1 0.5

35.1 17.9 .506 .847 .432 10.4 1.1 1.7 0.8

One could also speculate that his PPG would be significantly higher if not for the fact that he was rarely any higher than a 3rd option on offense. Now, just for the hell of it, Let's bump him up to Carmelo Anthony freshman year minutes:

36.4 18.5 .506 .847 .432 10.9 1.2 1.8 0.8

36.4 22.2 .453 .706 .337 10.0 2.2 1.6 0.9 - Carmelo

And, BTW, Maggette averaged 22/6/3.4 last year.

[Shkspr]

or the next Luc Longley.

That's three time NBA champion Luc Longley to you. ;)

[Radii]

Seeing 4 tar heels leave early doesn't take any of the luster off of a national title. If any of them end up on the Hawks though, I will be very very sad. I woudln't wish that on anyone, but if it has to be someone, let it be Bogut.

[Lathum]

ummm, maybe I am dumb but don't the Bucks have the first pick?

[Radii]

ummm, maybe I am dumb but don't the Bucks have the first pick?


Yeah, so hopefully they take Marvin :) Or Paul, leaving Bogut for the Hawks.

[Karlifornia]

I hope Bogut doesn't end up on the Hawks. If so, there will be a lot of Koncak Komparisons.

[Zippo]

bodut is the next brian reeves. Luc Longley would be an overstatement.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Do you mean Tim Duncan in accounting?

He means the kicker. :D

[Neon_Chaos]

Alright the biiiig question. Who do the Bucks draft at #1? :) Or do they trade the pick?

[Breeze]

Paul is going to have to get bigger and tougher. Jack at GT used to give him fits by being physical, NBA guards will know that and Paul's going to take a beating until he proves he can handle it.

I do however think he will be a very good pro.

[ThunderingHERD]

Paul's going to take a beating until he proves he can handle it.


Nothing a swift punch to the balls won't fix.

[stevew]

Alright the biiiig question. Who do the Bucks draft at #1? :) Or do they trade the pick?


Bucks trade the pick to the Bobcats for selections 5 and 13 and some other sort of future compensation. At least that is what i would do. I'm not sold on Williams or Bogut that much that he would be that dramatically better than 2 of the top 13 available. Especially when the Bucks can use help everywhere.

[ThunderingHERD]

Bucks trade the pick to the Bobcats for selections 5 and 13 and some other sort of future compensation. .

As a "Bobcats fan" that sounds good to me.

[Pacersfan46]

Bucks trade the pick to the Bobcats for selections 5 and 13 and some other sort of future compensation. At least that is what i would do. I'm not sold on Williams or Bogut that much that he would be that dramatically better than 2 of the top 13 available. Especially when the Bucks can use help everywhere.

If I'm the Bobcats, I laugh at that proposal.

With this draft of everyone being hard to figure out who's really better than who, and there's no clear #1 ... I take a chance on a star falling to me at #5 (Gerald Green would be great), and hope for the best at #13 (Raymond Felton would be ideal, if he falls a couple spots).

That gives me a young potential star at 3 positions (including Okafor). All of whom should get starter minutes on an expansion team so you can see what it is exactly that you got.

No need for the #1 pick in this draft.

[Samdari]

They are about the same size

Not. Even.Close.

Bogut is seven feet. Williams 6'9". Their real weight (what really matters when talking NBA size) difference is probably 60 lbs, regardless of what is listed. Bogut is unquestionable a pro center (a very rare commodity these days) while some are looking at Williams as a shooting guard - the easiest position to find.

[stevew]

If I'm the Bobcats, I laugh at that proposal.

With this draft of everyone being hard to figure out who's really better than who, and there's no clear #1 ... I take a chance on a star falling to me at #5 (Gerald Green would be great), and hope for the best at #13 (Raymond Felton would be ideal, if he falls a couple spots).

That gives me a young potential star at 3 positions (including Okafor). All of whom should get starter minutes on an expansion team so you can see what it is exactly that you got.

No need for the #1 pick in this draft.

Hey, the only reason i mention it is cause the Bobcats are supposedly enamored with Williams and alledgedly would do the 2 for one if they had to.

[ThunderingHERD]

Hey, the only reason i mention it is cause the Bobcats are supposedly enamored with Williams and alledgedly would do the 2 for one if they had to.

I like the deal. I think Williams & Paul are sure bets--who knows what you'll get at 5 & 13?

[Pacersfan46]

Hey, the only reason i mention it is cause the Bobcats are supposedly enamored with Williams and alledgedly would do the 2 for one if they had to.

Falling in love with a guy in a draft, is a bad baaaaad move. It rarely works out well for the team.

[ThunderingHERD]

Falling in love with a guy in a draft, is a bad baaaaad move. It rarely works out well for the team.

It's not like they'd be pulling a Ditka. The chances of that 13 pick turning in to much value are very slim.

[bselig]

Can't say that I've seen him play more then a couple of times, but the most troubling thing about going with Bogut #1 for me is that he only averaged 1.9 blocks/game in 35 MPG las year, in the WAC. Compare that to a guy like Duncan who averaged 3.75 career.

[JeeberD]

MWC, not the WAC :mad:


Bogut's legit, y'all...

[st.cronin]

I think the Bucks want to trade the pick, just listening to some of the comments from the front office.

[Hammer755]

Didn't people say the same thing last year about Okafur that they're saying about Bogut this year?

[st.cronin]

Most of the talk about Okafor had to do with his health.

By the way, I like Hakim Warrick better than Williams or Bogut too. Paul and Warrick are probably my two favorite players in the draft.

[VPI97]

Didn't people say the same thing last year about Okafur that they're saying about Bogut this year? No, Okafur played in the Big East against top competition. They're saying the same things about Bogut that they said about Michael Olowokandi.

[bselig]

Close enough.

What do people here think of Gerald Green? The writeups on him make him sound like a pretty elite prospect(fantastic athlete, developed jumper with NBA three-point range, good enough handle), and he certainly looked the part during the All-American game.

[MacroGuru]

MWC, not the WAC :mad:


Bogut's legit, y'all...
Yeah......no one wants to claim the Weak Ass Conference :D :p

Cmon Jeebs....we need to lobby for BYU - UTEP in Football

[Bomber]

Close enough.

What do people here think of Gerald Green? The writeups on him make him sound like a pretty elite prospect(fantastic athlete, developed jumper with NBA three-point range, good enough handle), and he certainly looked the part during the All-American game.

He's the best HS prospect in this draft from one of the weakest HS classes in recent memory. Green, Bynum, and Blatche are the only high schoolers I'd even consider in the first round. With Green the only one lottery worthy.

[Bomber]

By the way, I like Hakim Warrick better than Williams or Bogut too. Paul and Warrick are probably my two favorite players in the draft.

A too short, too skinny PF over Williams and Bogut? I'm dying here. Come on unless Warrick somehow develops the handles to play the 3 in the next few weeks, something he couldn't do in 4 years at 'Cuse, he'll be lucky to be in the lottery and screams bust.

[stevew]

He's the best HS prospect in this draft from one of the weakest HS classes in recent memory. Green, Bynum, and Blatche are the only high schoolers I'd even consider in the first round. With Green the only one lottery worthy.


Green doesnt have the stature of Kobe or Lebron or McGrady did a similar points in their career. Maybe a better version of JR Smith(who I'm not knocking, just someone who isnt great yet).

[JeeberD]

Yeah......no one wants to claim the Weak Ass Conference :D :p


Damn Mountain Worst Conference. Of course, UTEP just finished their final WAC competition a couple of weeks ago when they won the WAC track championship. I think we officially become a member of CUSA June 1st...



Cmon Jeebs....we need to lobby for BYU - UTEP in Football

Hells yeah! I would love to put a beating on White Boy U! :p

[dawgfan]

He's the best HS prospect in this draft from one of the weakest HS classes in recent memory. Green, Bynum, and Blatche are the only high schoolers I'd even consider in the first round. With Green the only one lottery worthy.

You seriously don't think Martell Webster is a 1st rounder?

[condors]

Bogut-If he is 7'0" tall i would definatly lean towards him

Williams- 6'9" great ability and could be the best player in the draft but i wouldn't bet my house that he is a franchise player.

If i could trade down and get a decent low salaried role player i would.

If you pass on Bogut and he is a great player you will never live it down. A 7 foot tall player who can actually play the list is very small and probally odds are against Bogut.

If i couldn't trade down i would take Bogut if i have a 7'0" guy playing defense and shutting down everyone not named shaq who gives me 20 pts and 10 rebounds a night it would be a great pick. If your telling me Bogut doesn't have this ability i won't disagree with you but i think there is a chance he could be very good.

[dawgfan]

Not. Even.Close.

Bogut is seven feet. Williams 6'9". Their real weight (what really matters when talking NBA size) difference is probably 60 lbs, regardless of what is listed. Bogut is unquestionable a pro center (a very rare commodity these days) while some are looking at Williams as a shooting guard - the easiest position to find.

Is Bogut legitimately 7'? There's been some question on that. And there's no way Bogut is even close to being 60 lbs heavier than Williams. He may get there in time, but right now he's not that thick.

And your logic on Williams being able to play the 2 is faulty - yes, 2's are easy to find, but Williams is a 3/4 that has the athletic ability to play the 2. That's not at all easy to find.

[Bomber]

You seriously don't think Martell Webster is a 1st rounder?

He will be, but I wouldn't pick him. He's got a nice jump shot and that's about it.

[Bomber]

Green doesnt have the stature of Kobe or Lebron or McGrady did a similar points in their career. Maybe a better version of JR Smith(who I'm not knocking, just someone who isnt great yet).

What do you mean by stature? Green is 6'8". He reminds me of T-Mac out of high school, but is already a better shooter. I'm not going to say he'll be the next McGrady, but I'd definitely gamble on him if I got the chance.

[dawgfan]

He will be, but I wouldn't pick him. He's got a nice jump shot and that's about it.

You mean like how Reggie Miller has a nice jump shot and that's about it?

I'm not saying Webster is Reggie Miller - he's not - but you're both downplaying his other positives and under rating how important a deadly shooter is. He's physically ready for the NBA, he's got a great motor, he rebounds very well and he's a solid kid, plus he's a hell of a shooter. If you seriously think there are at least 30 better prospects in this draft, you're delusional.

[Bomber]

You mean like how Reggie Miller has a nice jump shot and that's about it?

I'm not saying Webster is Reggie Miller - he's not - but you're both downplaying his other positives and under rating how important a deadly shooter is. He's physically ready for the NBA, he's got a great motor, he rebounds very well and he's a solid kid, plus he's a hell of a shooter. If you seriously think there are at least 30 better prospects in this draft, you're delusional.

I see him as a less athletic JR Smith. He'll obviously go in the first round, but I wouldn't want to take a chance on him.

[Pacersfan46]

Not. Even.Close.

Bogut is seven feet. Williams 6'9". Their real weight (what really matters when talking NBA size) difference is probably 60 lbs, regardless of what is listed. Bogut is unquestionable a pro center (a very rare commodity these days) while some are looking at Williams as a shooting guard - the easiest position to find.

http://www.nbadraft.net/index.asp

Bogut - 7 foot, 242 lbs

Williams - 6'9, 230 lbs

60 lbs difference? I know you put "regardless of what's listed", but what prompts you to add 50 lbs to Bogut? I don't get it.

[dawgfan]

I see him as a less athletic JR Smith.

You mean J.R. Smith, but with a much better shot and better rebounding.

He'll obviously go in the first round, but I wouldn't want to take a chance on him.

You'd be wrong then.

[st.cronin]

Bogut reminds me of Sabonis, the one who played in the NBA. He was a good player, but not remotely a star. It's not a good draft to have the #1 pick, imo. If I ran the Bucks I'd try to trade down to get Paul, who I think is the best player in the draft, but then I haven't played basketball in like 10 years, so what the hell do I know.

[DeToxRox]

It's the NBA draft, guys.

If recent trends hold, only about 5 of the first rounders will do anything.

[Bomber]

You mean J.R. Smith, but with a much better shot and better rebounding.

You'd be wrong then.

I'm not going to argue with a guy who is obviously biased, but Webster is blessed by having a nice jump shot and decent size in an extremely weak HS class. He wouldn't even have gotten a first round look last year.

[dawgfan]

I'm not going to argue with a guy who is obviously biased, but Webster is blessed by having a nice jump shot and decent size in an extremely weak HS class. He wouldn't even have gotten a first round look last year.

I have a bias, yes. I've also seen him play. And your opinion is out of step with every professional evaluation I've seen so far, with most placing Webster as the 2nd best H.S. player behind Green and about the 3rd best SG prospect in the draft, as well as being the most polished and NBA-ready H.S. prospect.

5 years down the road we'll see who was right...