I just got fired in FM2005 [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

Chas in Cinti

05-31-2005, 09:17 PM

Celeval

05-31-2005, 10:56 PM

I was fired from Gretna for the same reason - after successive seasons of:
- Promotion to Scottish Div 2
- Promotion to Scottish Div 1
- Promotion to Scottish Premier
- First season in SPL, finish 2nd and qual for Champs Cup
- Midtable in second SPL season, fired for staff relationship.

I had recently gotten a warning from the board, however, for excessive fining of players - which was odd, since I had only fined one player for one week for missing training (the player accepted the fine); however, I issued on average four-five official warnings a season for match dismissals. My firing was immediately after one of those official warnings. Perhaps that's what the 'good relationship' is related to - too many warnings/fines?

I signed on pretty quickly with Nottm. Forest in the Championship, so working from there now.

Fonzie

05-31-2005, 10:57 PM

Were any of your players pissed off at you? That's the only reason I could see for them to fire you, given that text.

SegRat

06-01-2005, 12:01 AM

God I wish I could get into this game

Bee

06-01-2005, 06:22 AM

This has been discussed before and one of the explanations given was that it's not unheard of for a team that's gotten promoted a couple times to dump a manager because they don't think he's the right fit for the higher level league. Some of the soccer heads gave examples of this happening IRL. Basically (from the way I understood the explanation) the team doesn't feel that your management style will work well in the current league even though you were very successful promoting the team to that level.

Doesn't change the fact that it sucks for you though... :D

AlexB

06-01-2005, 06:37 AM

Bee - from this coming up on the FM boards, I think it's actually a bug to do with the disciplining/warning of players - if you use this function you run the risk of being fired. Best not to use it at all, then should be OK.

If I am wrong, I'm sure MV will correct me and I apologise - I'm managing to get back into this game myself at the moment: gald I din't uninstall as I very nearly did!

illinifan999

06-01-2005, 06:39 AM

I wonder if that was a part of new patches. My unpatched version, I've been warning then fining 1 week, then 2 weeks for anyone who misses practice. Been doing that since year 1 at Rosenborg, now I'm in 2013 at Real Madrid with a pit stop at Marseille and havent' had any problems. :x

Chas in Cinti

06-01-2005, 07:52 AM

ERRR... I had just warned a player for poor performance (my first, but he had let in a 91st minute winner)... On top of that I had a player that regularly skipped training that I fined the bejesus out of...

Shit... maybe I should go back to my save now that I know it's a bug... thoughts?

-Chas

Blackadar

06-01-2005, 08:04 AM

I have to buy this game...must resist urge...buy buy buy!

Damn you Vaughn!

AlexB

06-01-2005, 08:07 AM

It's only my understanding - I could be wrong: I'd check on the FM boards for confirmation.

My understanding is that it's kinda like the manager promises in CM0304 - using it creates problems and it's best left alone. As I have said there are far greater authorities than myself on FM...

AlexB

06-01-2005, 08:17 AM

I've got time to kill atm, so I did a search for you :)

hxxp://community.sigames.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/7422007321/r/7422007321#7422007321

hxxp://community.sigames.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/1132062031/r/9112082031#9112082031

hxxp://community.sigames.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/212206905/m/530209569/r/733208569#733208569

None of the threads actually have any SI response about the issue, so maybe it's a bug, maybe it's a feature!

moriarty

06-01-2005, 08:17 AM

Ok... I've taken Wrexham from L1 to the Premiership, and in my second season I get fired after 1 GAME with the reason being I don't have a good relationship with my staff... ummm... huh?

Anyone know anything about that bit of BS... I mean, I only brought them to the Premiership in 7 seasons, what the heck is this all about. They had just increased my wage bill and my transfer bill. I NEVER got anything less than "Very Pleased" from the board. I'm floored, and so mad. I've put a TON of time into this game...

-Chas

While it sucks to be fired (especially if you're not sure of the reason ... hopefully MV will clarify whether it's a bug or not), it is rather cool to accept a job at another team in the premier <your rating should be fairly good> and raid your former team of it's best players and beat the snot out of them every chance you get. Nothing like a little vengence to make you feel better.

Coffee Warlord

06-01-2005, 08:19 AM

I have to buy this game...must resist urge...buy buy buy!

Damn you Vaughn!

Damn him for me. I just ordered the bloody thing yesterday. Finally.

Arrives tomorrow.

Chas in Cinti

06-01-2005, 08:23 AM

While it sucks to be fired (especially if you're not sure of the reason ... hopefully MV will clarify whether it's a bug or not), it is rather cool to accept a job at another team in the premier <your rating should be fairly good> and raid your former team of it's best players and beat the snot out of them every chance you get. Nothing like a little vengence to make you feel better.

Well... that's the issue, it happened after the 1ST GAME... so there will be no firings for a while... Plus, I was a little attached having brought Wrexham all the way up.... I actually applied at Millwall in L1 again... guess I'll just do that...

:(

-Chas

henry296

06-01-2005, 08:25 AM

FBPro

06-01-2005, 08:31 AM

God I wish I could get into this game
It took me several years of trying the various version but now I finally got into FM, hard for me to find time to play other things now.

Marc Vaughan

06-01-2005, 08:36 AM

Well... that's the issue, it happened after the 1ST GAME... so there will be no firings for a while... Plus, I was a little attached having brought Wrexham all the way up.... I actually applied at Millwall in L1 again... guess I'll just do that...

:(

-Chas

Do you have a save game available before the sacking? - if so then I'd be very interested in taking a look at it.

There is normally a sound underlying reason for sackings in the game, although more impatient or ambitious boards can be a pain in the a**e and sack people without too much warning.

My Cambridge board have been pretty patient with me in my game, even tolerating me getting relegated from the Championship at one point, they've gone dissatisfied with me a couple of times now I'm in the Premiership - but were very mellow the first couple of seasons in there .... now we've CL contenders things are somewhat different and the fans especially expect instant success (somewhat to be expected as we're the new Man Utd/Chelsea :D .... although what I'm going to do when my star striker retires in a couple of years might be touch and go ...).

I'm actually going to be revisiting this code (as I do most versions) for FM2006 and trying to improve the feedback and give boards a bit more personality ...

FrogMan

06-01-2005, 08:41 AM

Damn him for me. I just ordered the bloody thing yesterday. Finally.

Arrives tomorrow.
MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I saw you reading my dynasty a few days ago, I see my plan has worked

*puts pinkie finger to corner of mouth*
MUHUAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

WE WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!

:D :D :D :D

Now, say byebye to your free time and hello to lack of sleepage :D

FM

Chas in Cinti

06-01-2005, 08:52 AM

Do you have a save game available before the sacking? - if so then I'd be very interested in taking a look at it.

There is normally a sound underlying reason for sackings in the game, although more impatient or ambitious boards can be a pain in the a**e and sack people without too much warning.

My Cambridge board have been pretty patient with me in my game, even tolerating me getting relegated from the Championship at one point, they've gone dissatisfied with me a couple of times now I'm in the Premiership - but were very mellow the first couple of seasons in there .... now we've CL contenders things are somewhat different and the fans especially expect instant success (somewhat to be expected as we're the new Man Utd/Chelsea :D .... although what I'm going to do when my star striker retires in a couple of years might be touch and go ...).

I'm actually going to be revisiting this code (as I do most versions) for FM2006 and trying to improve the feedback and give boards a bit more personality ...

Well... I have one, but it's from the preseason... Like I said, the board was "thrilled" with my level of commitment EVERY month for 2 years, including just prior to my sacking. The only thing I did was give a warning to my GK after the first game for poor performance.

ERRRRRRRRR...

Also, when I accepted the job with Millwall, it said "Now Wrexham will be looking for a new manager"... even though they had fired me 3 weeks prior.

Regards,
Chas

Marc Vaughan

06-01-2005, 08:57 AM

Well... I have one, but it's from the preseason... Like I said, the board was "thrilled" with my level of commitment EVERY month for 2 years, including just prior to my sacking. The only thing I did was give a warning to my GK after the first game for poor performance.

ERRRRRRRRR...

Also, when I accepted the job with Millwall, it said "Now Wrexham will be looking for a new manager"... even though they had fired me 3 weeks prior.

Regards,
Chas

How big is the save when zipped up as I'd very much like to see it, if you can get it onto FTP or its small enough to email to [email protected] pls let me know.

Coffee Warlord

06-01-2005, 08:58 AM

MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I saw you reading my dynasty a few days ago, I see my plan has worked

Scanning for strategies I am. :)

I accept all hints, advice, tactics, etc. This'll be the first CM/FM game I've ever touched.

FrogMan

06-01-2005, 09:05 AM

Scanning for strategies I am. :)

I accept all hints, advice, tactics, etc. This'll be the first CM/FM game I've ever touched.
hehe :)

Even though I had played with CM4 a little, I also consider FM2005 to be my first serious forray in the CM/FM dark world, I'm sure you'll learn quickly. Feel free to ask if you got questions...

FM

Coffee Warlord

06-01-2005, 09:16 AM

hehe :)

Even though I had played with CM4 a little, I also consider FM2005 to be my first serious forray in the CM/FM dark world, I'm sure you'll learn quickly. Feel free to ask if you got questions...

FM

The only one I've been really wondering about (and have had a helluva time finding a detailed answer for) is the whole active leagues/background leagues thing. What exactly is the difference, when setting up a new game, between having a country/leagues-in-country 'on' and having one 'off'.

FrogMan

06-01-2005, 09:23 AM

The only one I've been really wondering about (and have had a helluva time finding a detailed answer for) is the whole active leagues/background leagues thing. What exactly is the difference, when setting up a new game, between having a country/leagues-in-country 'on' and having one 'off'.
leagues that are on, you will be able to go manage in them if you want to in the future, that's one big thing. Then, "on" league/countries, you'll be able to see standings and game results and player stats, which you can't for leagues that are "off". Teams in "off" league are still in the game, you just don't get much stats for them. My game was started with only England, from the lowest level to the top, so when I qualify to play in European Competition, say the EURO Cup and I pay a team from Spain, I have no history for them, other than the EURO Cup games they played, no league games, or such, but the team is alive and kicking in the game...

If by active/background you mean " full details on", this is about "on" leagues. Simply put, leagues with full details "on" will be simmed more slowly, but you'll be able to see game reports for every game. The league you are in is always in full details and the full details follows you if you change league. Many have said that putting more than one league on full details can slow your game a whole lot.

I'm sure somebody will have post a better explanation before I hit send, but hey, that's what I can think of :)

FM

FrogMan

06-01-2005, 09:28 AM

dola, take a look at this thread for some more info from Marc V.
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=35525

FM

Coffee Warlord

06-01-2005, 09:35 AM

Ah HA. I finally comprehend now. I think. :)

One more day till noone ever sees me again.

FrogMan

06-01-2005, 09:37 AM

Ah HA. I finally comprehend now. I think. :)

One more day till noone ever sees me again.
I've come to the conclusion that I'll never ever comprehend the whole thing that is FM2005. I think I'll only understand parts of it :)

FM

Huckleberry

06-01-2005, 09:43 AM

I'm actually going to be revisiting this code (as I do most versions) for FM2006 and trying to improve the feedback and give boards a bit more personality ...
One thing I'd like to see is the ability to make comments about a board. In my game I gave the Stafford Rangers board an ultimatum (knowing that I had the Middlesbrough job lined up) and they sacked me because they're a bunch of unambitious clowns. I had taken them from Conference North to League Two and they had refused to increase funds or expand the stadium.

Now that I'm managing the #2 team in the Premiership and still alive in the Champions League a few seasons later, I'd like to publicly comment about what a worthless board they are and how any player or manager with any ambition would do best to steer clear of Stafford. :D

As it is, I can only comment on their manager.

SegRat

06-01-2005, 11:08 AM

It took me several years of trying the various version but now I finally got into FM, hard for me to find time to play other things now.
I have CM4. The only one I ever bought. What makes FM better than CM4? I am thinking of picking up FM, but I need to at least think I will be able to really get into this game, which did not happen for me with CM4.

Looking for feedback from anyone, Make a sell!

Marc Vaughan

06-01-2005, 02:51 PM

I have CM4. The only one I ever bought. What makes FM better than CM4? I am thinking of picking up FM, but I need to at least think I will be able to really get into this game, which did not happen for me with CM4.

Looking for feedback from anyone, Make a sell!

(Dramatically appears on stage in a puff of smoke)

(Cue drum roll and appearance of buxon lady with cue cards)

Basically FM is a much improved version of our earlier game, its got more of everything which made our earlier games realistic, challenging and fun to play ...

For instance - in CM4 you didn't have the opposition manager attempting to psych you and your team out by commenting upon them (and you couldn't do the same in return), in CM4 the media weren't as active and didn't comment as much upon your team and where they did it wasn't as frequent that you could reply regarding things, in CM4 you didn't have an easy access form guide to each player showing his performances in all his prior matches for the teams he had played in that season, in CM4 you couldn't watch the 2D view of the match in a split screen while also monitoring the stats of your players as they changed with each pass and tackle ..... etc ....

The amount of improvements which have gone in are too many for me to adequately list here (and to be honest I can never remember upon which version we added something, all prior versions tend to merge into one in my memory after a while).

Because of that I'm probably not the best spokesman for promoting our games ...

(Buxom lady puts down cue cards and wanders off)

The best I can recommend is for you to download the demo and give it a whirl, if you enjoy it enough to persuade you to purchase FM then cool, if not then feel free to indicate any improvements you'd like to see in a new version and anything you didn't like.

Hope this helps,

Marc

DanGarion

06-01-2005, 03:28 PM

(Dramatically appears on stage in a puff of smoke)

(Cue drum roll and appearance of buxon lady with cue cards)

**lots of stuff*

(Buxom lady puts down cue cards and wanders off)

The best I can recommend is for you to download the demo and give it a whirl, if you enjoy it enough to persuade you to purchase FM then cool, if not then feel free to indicate any improvements you'd like to see in a new version and anything you didn't like.

Hope this helps,

Marc

So who was actually speaking there? Marc or the buxom lady?

Marc Vaughan

06-01-2005, 03:38 PM

So who was actually speaking there? Marc or the buxom lady?
You'd have known if you'd been listening instead of watching the scenery ;)

SegRat

06-01-2005, 04:30 PM

Ok, thanks Mark. That is enough for me to at least give the demo a kick around.

DaddyTorgo

06-01-2005, 04:47 PM

i think FM needs more buxom ladies http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

FBPro

06-01-2005, 05:09 PM

i think FM needs more buxom ladies http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif
Concur...........:D

AlexB

06-01-2005, 05:10 PM

I have CM4. The only one I ever bought. What makes FM better than CM4? I am thinking of picking up FM, but I need to at least think I will be able to really get into this game, which did not happen for me with CM4.

Looking for feedback from anyone, Make a sell!

The easiest way to deomnstrate the difference between the two games, is that when I became a bit frustrated at the little niggles within FM pre final patch (post final patch the vast majority, and all showstoppers AFAIAW, have been fixed) I went and rebought CM0304, (which I played to death as I did with all CM games) downloaded all the patches and started up a new game - within a game month or so I'd uninstalled CM0304 and put FM back on the PC.

FM is not perfect, but after playing it every other football (or soccer as it's a US board) management sim, including SI's own earlier releases, seem very very shallow...

Coffee Warlord

06-01-2005, 06:40 PM

i think FM needs more buxom ladies http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

5.0.6 -> Naked women backgrounds in game.

FBPro

06-01-2005, 06:44 PM

5.0.6 -> Naked women backgrounds in game.
:)

Flasch186

06-01-2005, 09:47 PM

FBPro

06-01-2005, 10:06 PM

Yeah, we just got MLS Direct Kick so I can catch all the MLS games as well.

SegRat

06-01-2005, 10:07 PM

i highly recommend the gam,e. I new crap about soccer besides playing it growing up until this game. Now I catch myself going to soccernet.com for new, watchin Fox Soccer net, etc. DAMN YOU MARC VAUGHN!!!

See thats the thing. I know plenty about soccer. I have been playing soccer for the last 17 years. I have always enjoyed console soccer games. But I tried CM04 and just couldnt get into it. FM05 sounds good enough, but I dont want to pay the money for a game that I will only play for 2 to 3 weeks, which was the case for CM04.

Anyway, I plan to download the demo and give her a kick around this weekend.

Desnudo

06-01-2005, 11:08 PM

FM05 >>>>>>>>>>> CM04

I wonder what percentage of Fox Soccer Channel's ratings is due to FM? I know I'm with Flasch. I actually started playing soccer again mostly due to this game.

DaddyTorgo

06-01-2005, 11:15 PM

See thats the thing. I know plenty about soccer. I have been playing soccer for the last 17 years. I have always enjoyed console soccer games. But I tried CM04 and just couldnt get into it. FM05 sounds good enough, but I dont want to pay the money for a game that I will only play for 2 to 3 weeks, which was the case for CM04.
i was in the same boat SegRat. CM4 I only enjoyed for a month or maybe two tops. And I was initially a little bit leery about FM05, but I figured that SI wouldn't lead me wrong two games in a row. And damn was I right. FM05 is AMAZING. I can't stop playing! I can't even explain what it is about the game that is so different, it's not necessarily any of the features...it's just the immersion. It's the X-Factor. It just has that certain something. Or at least, for me.

Huckleberry

06-02-2005, 01:38 AM

AAAHHHH!

I was recently offered a joke of a deal for James Morrison. Basically a 2.5M pound offer. I was insulted so I countered with 25M. Along comes ManU with a 17M plus 5M player exchange offer. First time I've been offered something so big. I don't want to let this guy go as he's a great player.

Problem is that he frequently gets Unhappy and the details are that he may want a bigger challenge in the future and that he may want to move to a bigger club. I guess I should sell him instead of having him find out I rejected a move to ManU for him. Grrr.

This sucks even more as I'm a Man City fan.

Huckleberry

06-02-2005, 01:53 AM

And Arsenal follows that up with a 25M offer. Nice.

Unfortunately I'm running out of time for Morrison to decide if I'm going to find a replacement in the current window.

BreizhManu

06-02-2005, 03:20 AM

accept the offers, no player is worth that amount in my opinion and can be replaced by a cheaper one.

Marc Vaughan

06-02-2005, 04:21 AM

accept the offers, no player is worth that amount in my opinion and can be replaced by a cheaper one.
That depends a lot imho on how much the team depend upon him - I often have the situation where my squad is built around one specific player (especially the case if I'm rising through divisions and have a limited transfer and wage budget).

If you're a small team then attracting a quality replacement can be hard, you might have the cash but without the prestige and opportunity for them to play in Europe you'll find attracting true talent hard (and of course there's also the possibility that the player you find is a 'dud' and your performances go off track) ...

Then again if he's a moody player and you reject the bid, chances are you'll get at least some fall-out .... however countered by this is how the fans and the rest of the squad might react if you sell your best player.

Such are the problems which face a manager ...

BreizhManu

06-02-2005, 04:29 AM

If you're able to sell a player that price, you're not such a small team and you're probably able to buy one or two decent replacements to the player.

Anyway if he gets upset easily and wants to move to a bigger club there is no doubt in my opinion he should be sold.

Marc Vaughan

06-02-2005, 05:36 AM

If you're able to sell a player that price, you're not such a small team and you're probably able to buy one or two decent replacements to the player.
It depends on the situation - if you're a small Premiership club than that could easily happen - look at Everton irl they sold Rooney for a similar figure and weren't able to attract replacements of a similar quality - NOW they did actually perform better without him, but thats a story about squad cohesion, luck with injuries (or lack of them) and keeping people motivated and organised ;)

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 06:58 AM

i was in the same boat SegRat. CM4 I only enjoyed for a month or maybe two tops. And I was initially a little bit leery about FM05, but I figured that SI wouldn't lead me wrong two games in a row. And damn was I right. FM05 is AMAZING. I can't stop playing! I can't even explain what it is about the game that is so different, it's not necessarily any of the features...it's just the immersion. It's the X-Factor. It just has that certain something. Or at least, for me.
AHH, just the way it is for me!

SegRat, when I saw your plea for a sale, I so wanted to reply, but would have had nothing to say other than "it clicked"... While I wouldn't say I'm very knowledgeable about soccer, I did play for many years in my youht, was a ref for some more years, including being a referee dispatcher for the Quebec City area, so I saw plenty of soccer. I can't dissect a game like MArc V is doing sometimes here, but I know some of the things. CM4 was my first buy in the series, as a bargain buy. While I found it entertaining, it held my interest for about a month of two, months in which I played sparingly. Now, FM2005, it is amazing. Received it in the mail in mid-November and there have been very few days where I have not played it at least for 30 minute to an hour, sometimes much more. So this has been 6 months since I got the game, and I still get that urge to play it in the evening, once the kids are in bed. The immersion, the x-factor, that certain something. Read my dynasty, I feel for my players, some I don't wanna let go, some I despise, they feel real to me...

Okay, I guess I've made enough of a fool of myself, I'll go back to pondering who should play right fullback, with them 9 injuries we got going at the moment :D

FM

illinifan999

06-02-2005, 07:04 AM

The reason FM/CM drew me in was because of the interaction. I never really paid attention to soccer when I got my first CM, and I didn't even know what it meant when it said I had to have 11 outfield players. But dealing with player's personalities, the media, scouting, everything just really brings ya into the game. I can only imagine a football game with this. /drool

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 07:09 AM

dola, to add to what I was saying, re: sales pitch, here's a quote of a post in this thread:
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=39440

I played a few years of soccer as a youth, but knew nothing about professional soccer when I started playing CM 4 and CM 03/04. I learned through the game, and the game was so good that I (like others on this board) started going out of my way to watch soccer on TV to pick up strategies. Your role is to be a manager of a professional team. As the manager, you have the ability to acquire players for your team (although sometimes the board won't cooperate and the board is in charge of finances and ultimately in charge of the team.) You have the ability to design various tactics (the possibilities are really quite staggering.) You also have the ability to set up training strategies for your players (although training is one of the weaker areas of the game IMHO.) You also can play mind games in the media with other managers, you have to manage player personalities (there are many different personalities and each can be a challenge to manage, particularly if the player is very talented. Then again, one of my favorite most dominating defenders is just the model professional.)

In short, it is a very complex game that is very immersive and addicting. I still enjoy other text sims, but they also seem somewhat shallow in comparision.
I think it also summarizes what the challenge of playing FM2005 can be. As I said, I find the players to be very real, with somtimes reaction that are a bit over the top, but very often very realistic in their demands. For example, sign a youngster with a contract status of "first team player" and let him develop with your reserve until *you* think he is ready and I can promise you he'll get pissed. Then, he may not want to accept to be signed as simply a "hot prospect" which seems to imply you won't play him with the first team if you know where I'm going. Lots of stuff to dig, always discovering something new...

FM

Jon

06-02-2005, 08:14 AM

Damn him for me. I just ordered the bloody thing yesterday. Finally.

Arrives tomorrow.

I don't mean to threadjack, but where did you order the game from? I want it and I want it yesterday!

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 08:17 AM

I don't mean to threadjack, but where did you order the game from? I want it and I want it yesterday!MUHUHAHAHAHA!!! THE PLAN IS WORKING!!!

ANOTHER ADDICTEE JOINS THE FOLD!!!

:D

FM

Coffee Warlord

06-02-2005, 08:22 AM

I don't mean to threadjack, but where did you order the game from? I want it and I want it yesterday!

Gogamer.com.

And on that note...

http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?tracknumbers=706309216270&action=track&language=english&cntry_code=us&clienttype=ivshpalrt

Come to me, my pretty. Wheeeeeee.

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 08:24 AM

Gogamer.com.

And on that note...

http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?tracknumbers=706309216270&action=track&language=english&cntry_code=us&clienttype=ivshpalrt

Come to me, my pretty. Wheeeeeee.
say byebye to the light of day my friend, or to all your friends, other than the ones you got here, for that matter :D

FM

Mizzou B-ball fan

06-02-2005, 09:17 AM

Gogamer.com.

Come to me, my pretty. Wheeeeeee.

Just a FYI....I don't believe that the Championship Manager 5 listed on gogamer.com is the same product as what's being discussed. Football Manager 2005 (in Europe) or Worldwide Soccer Manager (in US) is the product that is being discussed here. Is that correct?

The only place I've found to get the US version of this product is on Amazon.com.

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 09:22 AM

but gogamer has the game listed as Football Manager 2005 (IMPORT) (http://www.gogamer.com/cgi-bin/GoGamer.storefront/SESSIONID/Product/View/001FOOM5)and at a very reasonable price too of $39.90. They used to have it priced at as high as $54.90 if I remember correctly...

FM

Mizzou B-ball fan

06-02-2005, 09:24 AM

Coffee Warlord

06-02-2005, 09:52 AM

Damn you FedEx for bringing it this early in the day! Wayyyy too much time in the day left!

MIJB#19

06-02-2005, 09:54 AM

Actually, I'm shocked that I run into the same trouble with my first CM0102 (with the last patches) in like 18 months. I picked one of the worst teams in the Netherlands. First we have a great season start into the lead of the Dutch first division, including an awesome 6-1 beating of one of the favorites to promote. To improve the squad, I sell (unhappy) backups to higher prestige teams for 200K and buy foreign replacements for 20K. During that, I turn down a job offer to an underperforming potential top5 team in the higher division. Then, struggles with my top players start, I defend them in the media, warn them, fine them if they keep being unprofessional. Then the team's performance drops in the last 10 games, including a humiliating 1-5 loss at home, but we still keep winning half our games and had already clinched a playoffs ticket. Then, boom, fired for bad results with 1 game and the playoffs still to go. We were in 4th place and anything above 10th was a miracle. Without me, the team obviously fails to even be competitive in the playoffs and missed promotion. I watched the WC2002 from the television (the USA came in 4th) and ended the career.

I guess I'll start all over again. :|

terpkristin

06-02-2005, 09:58 AM

Damn you all for making me lust even more for a game that my dilapidated computer can't run!

/tk

Passacaglia

06-02-2005, 09:59 AM

Damn you all for making me lust even more for a game that my dilapidated computer can't run!

/tk

Are you sure? My computer isn't all that, but if I just run England, it's tolerable. Of course, that means that I want to buy more RAM, just so I can run with more leagues.

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 10:01 AM

tk, I agree with pass, you really sure your computer can't run it? Not that I want you to go spend money if you don't have any, but the game is still very enjoyable even with only England as an active league...

FM

terpkristin

06-02-2005, 10:06 AM

I suppose I can try CM03/04 again, but this computer...well, it's almost literally held together with duct tape these days.

Guess we'll see if I can find it..

/tk

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 10:08 AM

did you try running the demo of FM2005? Maybe you could have a pleasant surprise and it would run, who knows? :D

FM

Samdari

06-02-2005, 10:14 AM

I suppose I can try CM03/04 again, but this computer...well, it's almost literally held together with duct tape these days.

Guess we'll see if I can find it..

/tk

Wow, you're female and don't call it Duck tape. That is so hot.

FrogMan

06-02-2005, 10:16 AM

Wow, you're female and don't call it Duck tape. That is so hot.
That's cause she's a rocket scientist and they use the right kind of tape on shuttles nowadays :D

FM

Huckleberry

06-02-2005, 10:27 AM

Oh, I sold Morrison for 25M to Arsenal. Now if Freddy Guarin doesn't get his work permit I'm going to beat some ass.

terpkristin

06-02-2005, 01:40 PM

Coffee Warlord

06-02-2005, 02:16 PM

Oddly enough I did try to install the demo...

...and for some odd reason it installed it in German and won't switch over to English.

I think I'm DOOMED to not play this game.

/tk

P.S. I can't seem to find the box where CM03/04 would be. Either th emovers decided to take it (it did have a bunch of cd's in general) or they've hidden it completely out of sight..

Heh. Did the same thing for me. I figured it out the old fashioned way.

Menu at the mid-upper right section of the screen (the last pulldown), go all the way to the bottom of the pulldown.

One of the options on that screen is Language.

Then hit the top link in the lower left hand corner of the screen. (there's like a row of 3 links, the top one saves)

terpkristin

06-02-2005, 02:20 PM

CW you're the best!
I'd found the page to change the language but hadn't seen the stuff in the lower left corner. I tried everything else on that page to get it to save my changes. Off to see if I can run it...

/tk

Fonzie

06-02-2005, 03:45 PM

Heh. Did the same thing for me. I figured it out the old fashioned way.

Menu at the mid-upper right section of the screen (the last pulldown), go all the way to the bottom of the pulldown.

One of the options on that screen is Language.

Then hit the top link in the lower left hand corner of the screen. (there's like a row of 3 links, the top one saves)

That's what I had to do too, but not with the demo. With the full version of the game.

Damn odd.

Coffee Warlord

06-03-2005, 11:55 AM

Attention Marc.

Die.

I blame you for my being up so damn late last night. :)

SirFozzie

06-03-2005, 06:52 PM

One of Us! One Of Us!

My initial plan for a FM/CM net game failed, but now, I shall never lack for human opponents ever again! MWAHAHAHAHA! *burp*

Marc Vaughan

06-03-2005, 07:03 PM

I blame you for my being up so damn late last night. :)

Noooo, don't play too late into the night, otherwise you risk sleeping in and missing valuable playing time during the day ;)

PS> I always play too long into the night and end up regretting my last few matches, around 1-2am I always find that I lose the plot a little and snafu my tactics or forget something in my team selection, thats fatal - I then have to continue playing until I stop my losing streak (weird habit I have) ... then if I'm on a winning streak I find it hard to stop playing .... normally get to sleep before the suns up though ;)

AlexB

06-03-2005, 07:08 PM

Noooo, don't play too late into the night, otherwise you risk sleeping in and missing valuable playing time during the day ;)

PS> I always play too long into the night and end up regretting my last few matches, around 1-2am I always find that I lose the plot a little and snafu my tactics or forget something in my team selection, thats fatal - I then have to continue playing until I stop my losing streak (weird habit I have) ... then if I'm on a winning streak I find it hard to stop playing .... normally get to sleep before the suns up though ;)

How many CM games have I ruined by playing too late and signing players while:

A - tired
B - drunk
C - both of the above

Answers:

A - none: I go to bed at 10pm
B - once, but I learnt my lesson
C - I've run out of fingers

Desnudo

06-03-2005, 07:25 PM

I remember coming home late and trying to sign Pablo Aimar for something like a structured $80 million US (in 2009 when he's turning 30), because I've always wanted him on my team. Fortunately I did that accidental click on Yes when exiting, thinking it was saving.

Eaglesfan27

06-03-2005, 10:03 PM

I've also made a few mistakes when I've played a bit too late. One time I played til 7:00 AM and made multiple stupid mistakes.

Coffee Warlord

06-03-2005, 11:15 PM

And yes. I suck.

Under my *cough* expert management, Grimsby scored exactly 0 goals in 4 league matches. This from a team who was expected to promote.

Fear us. :)

DaddyTorgo

06-03-2005, 11:20 PM

takes a while CW, don't fret. And sometimes I've even found that starting off too low can be extra difficult. It makes sense to start your first career or two with a large club so you presumably have top-level talent. Makes it easier to figure out the other variables.

FBPro

06-03-2005, 11:58 PM

Desnudo

06-04-2005, 01:05 PM

17 year old FM wonderkid Anthony Vanden Borre is starting for Belgium in WC qualifier on FSC, now.

Desnudo

06-04-2005, 01:17 PM

Vincent Kompany suspended for this match. Too bad.

Marc Vaughan

06-04-2005, 03:20 PM

I wish that there was an option to stay with the same club and "over-ride" the firing as Jim has put into FOF. Or maybe even have it as something that over time you can "earn" by playing the game or reaching certain goals.
Generally FM players want the game to be as realistic as possible regardless of the consequences (you think you lot are demanding with regards to sims, you're very mellow compared to a lot of European soccer sim fans) ... might try and sneak it in via. a config file though ;)

ice4277

06-04-2005, 03:43 PM

How many CM games have I ruined by playing too late and signing players while:

B - drunk
When I was in college, I killed a number of promising seasons this way.

FBPro

06-06-2005, 01:24 AM

Generally FM players want the game to be as realistic as possible regardless of the consequences (you think you lot are demanding with regards to sims, you're very mellow compared to a lot of European soccer sim fans) ... might try and sneak it in via. a config file though ;)
Sweet, I'd love to have it as an option. I mean I love the challenge and pressure that trying to keep with the same club brings...but at the same time it would be nice to at times have a game save or career that you could fire up and know that regardless of your performance you could stay with that club over the long haul and see how well you could do over many, many seasons and ups and downs. Thanks for considering it.

Coffee Warlord

06-06-2005, 08:07 AM

Well, think I've got more of a handle on things now on the 3rd start. Either that, or Port Vale is having an amazing winning streak through no fault of my own. :)

Critch

06-06-2005, 10:47 AM

I wish that there was an option to stay with the same club and "over-ride" the firing as Jim has put into FOF.

Can you not just add a new manager and have him take over the team you've just been fired from to keep control? Used to work in previous versions.

I've just started a new career with a relegation fodder team in the Belgian league. Right before the start of the season I get a press question about whether I feel I'll need to add new players to avoid relegation. I answer that the squad I've got is good enough. After that four of my players have a response, first three are older professionals including the club captain, the all say that they're proud that I think they're good enough and hope to repay my faith. So that's nice. Fourth response is from some workshy young fullback, he says that he's happy that nobody else is coming in cos now he won't have to work too hard to keep his first team place :) Unfortunately he's right.