Someone Please Tell Me This Isn't Real

[Ksyrup]

I've checked snopes and done some googling, and it appears to be real. Fucking frightening, is what it is - Bob Roberts masquerading as the Olsen twins. So please, for the sake of my mental state, someone blow the lid off of what should be an obvious spoof/hoax.


This link is work safe, but it appears that National Vanguard is a white power/supremacist site, so tread lightly if you are at work. In fact, I'll post the whole article in a separate post.

hxxp://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=4330


Some selected excerpts:

What do you think is the most important social issue facing the white race right now? Do you have any songs that address this issue?
Not having enough white babies born to replace ourselves and generally not having good-quality white people being born. It seems like smart white girls who have good eugenics are more interested in making money in a career or partying than getting married and having a family. And yes, we are working on some new songs about this issue.

Please tell me the significance of the name Prussian Blue.
Part of our heritage is Prussian German. Also our eyes are blue, and Prussian Blue is just a really pretty color. There is also the discussion of the lack of "Prussian Blue" coloring (Zyklon B residue) in the so-called gas chambers in the concentration camps. We think it might make people question some of the inaccuracies of the "Holocaust" myth.


:eek: :mad: :(

[Ksyrup]

Here's the whole thing, for those who don't want to click the link:

Rising Stars: Prussian Blue
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/prussian_blue_cover01.jpg Announcement; Posted on: 2004-12-11 21:13:42

The lovely and talented Gaede twins now have their own Web site...


by Ann Hendon
photography by Kelly Parsell

They're smart. They're sweet. They're pretty. They're multitalented instrumentalists and singers. They're twins. They're loving sisters to the new baby in the family. They beat neocon radio talk show hosts at their own game. They're just twelve years old. They make beautiful, soaring, harmonious music together -- music with a pro-White slant. They're the daughters of National Vanguard writer and National Alliance sctivist April Gaede. And they are the most talked-about duo in the burgeoning Euromusic scene: They are... Prussian Blue.

Prussian Blue now have their own Web site, where eager fans can listen to a sample cut from their upcoming CD, Fragments of the Future, download pictures of the twins performing at the National Alliance Folk the System 2004 festival and at Gathering of the Gods, order a DVD, or add an entry to their guestbook.

National Alliance Northeast Regional Coordinator Rich Lindstrom said of Prussian Blue:

"Imagine the hard sell that the ADL and the SPLC will have when confronted with these angelic looking young girls who are wise to their anti-White schemes. I see an avenue opened up to family-oriented White men, women, and children that has not been opened before.

"These gals will be breaking new ground, and will also capture the imagination of young boys and girls all across the world. The impact could be huge and their influence will encourage 'copycats' ...creating an entire genre of pro-White music. ...I'm hanging on the edge of my seat with anticipation."

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Recently, Viceland magazine's Jesse Pearson did a remarkably balanced interview with Lynx and Lamb, which we reproduce below in part (for the full interview -- and Prusssian Blue's own Web site, see the links below):

IS THERE ANYTHING CUTER than two identical twin twelve-year-old girls who have a band together? How about if they dress in matching plaid skirts—that ups the cuteness quotient, right? And what if they perform folky versions of classic racist songs by bands like Skrewdriver and Rahowa? Whoa! Now we are heading into the cute danger zone.

And the best part of it all? These girls have the talent to back it all up. They sing like angels, harmonize like only siblings can, and are more adept at their chosen instruments than most one-hit-wonder crap. "Disco punk," you say? "New wave of necro metal?" Those are passing fancies. Prussian Blue are doing nothing short of trying to change the course of humanity. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you Lynx and Lamb, the girls of Prussian Blue.

VICE: Hi girls. So, who plays what?
Lynx: I play violin and sing.
Lamb: And I play the guitar and sing. We've been playing for two years now.

Your set is a mix of covers by white-power bands, some traditional fare, and some originals. How do you determine a song that you would like to cover?
Usually our friends suggest songs that they'd like to hear us sing. We choose ones that we like and that can easily be changed to acoustic. And they have to be songs that have meaning to us and our listeners and have a good message for White youngsters....

What sort of gigs do you generally play? I know that you played the Folk the System 2004 festival, which was sponsored by the National Alliance, but do you also play in any local establishments or at county fairs?
Sure, we just finished playing at a local county fair. We also play at open mic nights and Renaissance fairs. We play a lot of National Alliance events, like meetings and conferences, as well as other events like a recent IHR (Institute for Historical Review) conference....

Do you feel the need to tone down your politics when playing for certain crowds?
It's not that we're embarrassed about our message or our songs that are more obviously pro-white, it's that we know that if certain people complained about the content of our songs (like if we use the term "Aryan"), we might not be allowed to play again at that venue.

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What do you think is the most important social issue facing the white race right now? Do you have any songs that address this issue?
Not having enough white babies born to replace ourselves and generally not having good-quality white people being born. It seems like smart white girls who have good eugenics are more interested in making money in a career or partying than getting married and having a family. And yes, we are working on some new songs about this issue.

Please tell me the significance of the name Prussian Blue.
Part of our heritage is Prussian German. Also our eyes are blue, and Prussian Blue is just a really pretty color. There is also the discussion of the lack of "Prussian Blue" coloring (Zyklon B residue) in the so-called gas chambers in the concentration camps. We think it might make people question some of the inaccuracies of the "Holocaust" myth.

What are the plans for the near future of Prussian Blue? Are you going to make a record soon?
Resistance Records will be selling our new CD, Fragment of the Future—the title is from a Colin Jordan quote. It should be out by the end of the year. If you want something now, Resistance is also selling a DVD called Gathering of the Gods that was filmed last year in Perris, California. It has us singing a lot of our songs, but we have improved a lot since then!

[b]What are some of your favorite groups, either current or past?
We really like Avril Lavigne, Evanescence, Three Days Grace, Green Day, AC/DC, and Alison Krauss. For racial groups we like Final War, CutThroat, Saga, Max Resist, Youngland, Brutal Attack, and of course Skrewdriver. But our all-time favorite is Barney the purple dinosaur!

See resistance.com (http://www.resistance.com/) for more info. No, we did not make this up. (end Viceland excerpt)
The twins' mother, April Gaede, who is also their manager, says of the new Web site for the band: "We have a lot more to add, like a fashion page (for Lamb and Lynx to comment on clothing styles and to direct girls to sites on ethnic costumes, etc.), a lyrics page, as well as a heroes page with White nationalists as well as White sports heros, etc. Keep watching for additions and improvments."

[stevew]

Wow, I'm speechless.

[Lorena]

I feel sorry for them :(

[ice4277]

I'd...uh, hit....nevermind.

[WSUCougar]

We think it might make people question some of the inaccuracies of the "Holocaust" myth.
I marvel - truly, frikkin' marvel - that people can say such things with a straight face. They can't actually believe it, can they? Really, deep down, honestly believe that the Holocaust was a myth?

Yikes.

[kcchief19]

I'm too scared to click the link. Utterly unbelievable.

Here's the real question -- how in the heck did you stumble on this? Were you googling "Olsen twins" and "white power"?

[JPhillips]

Well at least we know if they ever turn up missing CNN will broadcast wall to wall coverage.

[hhiipp]

At least they're singing pro-white songs and not anti-everythingelse?

That's the only positive I found in the whole article.

And WSUCoug, it wouldn't be hard to convince a 12 year old that something such as the holocaust didn't happen, if everyone surrounding you says it didn't happen.

Ksyrup, is there a site out there counting down to the minute that these girls turn 18? If not they haven't yet reached Olsen twin fame.

[JeffR]

The story seems to be on the level, unfortunately:

hxxp://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=539

[QuikSand]

It's sort of like a bad news, good news deal here...

Not having enough white babies born to replace ourselves and generally not having good-quality white people being born. It seems like smart white girls who have good eugenics are more interested in making money in a career or partying than getting married and having a family.

Gee, I guess all hope must be lost for the blessed Aryan race, then, huh?

And yes, we are working on some new songs about this issue.

Woo Hoo! Help is on the way!

[Pumpy Tudors]

As soon as I saw that National Vanguard had picked up their story, I figured it to be real. NV has no reason to present its followers with a spoof. It appears that these kids have been fed all sorts of stories for their entire lives, and unless they escape from their "teachers," they're never going to change.

I'm not exactly sure what a "pro-white" song is, so I can't really have a problem with that. If it literally is just a pro-white song, that's a lot different than a song that's just called "pro-white" while masquerading as "anti-everything else." At least they're different things in theory.

Perhaps I don't have a lot of faith in people changing their ways, especially when they're using those ways to make money at a young age, but I don't see anything changing for these girls. I hope they lead a nice, sheltered, misguided, hateful life. They'd do their mother proud, I'm sure.

[Ksyrup]

I'm too scared to click the link. Utterly unbelievable.

Here's the real question -- how in the heck did you stumble on this? Were you googling "Olsen twins" and "white power"?
Someone posted it on another board.

[gottimd]

Ok.....This isn't real.

[Desnudo]

"'These gals will be breaking new ground, and will also capture the imagination of young boys and girls all across the world. The impact could be huge and their influence will encourage 'copycats' ...creating an entire genre of pro-White music."

I'm sure it'll be huge in Africa, South America, and Asia.

[Blackadar]

Well, perhaps when they grow up they'll realize the error of their ways.

[QuikSand]

I'm not exactly sure what a "pro-white" song is, so I can't really have a problem with that. If it literally is just a pro-white song, that's a lot different than a song that's just called "pro-white" while masquerading as "anti-everything else." At least they're different things in theory.

That's a pretty optimistic attitude... but is more so than they (or rather their handlers and teachers) deserve. Make no mistake, the agenda here is an "anti" one. Sheep's clothing and all.

[Ksyrup]

From the article JeffR linked:



If it weren't for the electric guitars on the stage behind them, the flag with the "life rune" symbol on it, and the white-power lyrics, they could be singing hymns in church. Instead, they are entertaining a room full of neo-Nazis.

"Strike force! White survival. Strike force! Yeah," they sing, punctuating each "Strike force!" with miniature sieg heils. Some of the men in the audience return the salute, and when the girls finish, thunderous applause fills the room. Since joining the neo-Nazi National Alliance in 2001, Gaede and her girls have become prominent ambassadors of hate, thanks in no small part to Gaede's dogged determination to turn her 12-year-olds into racist pop stars.


I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt here...

[Ksyrup]

Jeezus, these people are truly scary:

Although Gaede's husband made for good "Aryan" breeding stock, she claims that their relationship turned violent, and they were divorced in 1996. Her one regret, she says now, is "the many years that I lost in which I could have produced four to six more children with that ideal eugenic quality that [Lynx and Lamb] possess."

[Schmidty]

This is depressing.

[RendeR]

*previous "chill the hell out" comments deleted*


I read more and found enough evidence of ignorance to change my mind. These people are fools.

[Wolfpack]

EDIT because Render corrected his remarks and now I must also do so, but since mine was a correction of his and now that I have nothing to correct, I'm just going type something so I can keep my post count. :)

[Subby]

What are some of your favorite groups, either current or past?
...our all-time favorite is Barney the purple dinosaur!
Shit. I knew it.

[Raiders Army]

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[timmynausea]

[/font]Please tell me the significance of the name Prussian Blue.
Part of our heritage is Prussian German. Also our eyes are blue, and Prussian Blue is just a really pretty color. There is also the discussion of the lack of "Prussian Blue" coloring (Zyklon B residue) in the so-called gas chambers in the concentration camps. We think it might make people question some of the inaccuracies of the "Holocaust" myth.


:eek: :mad: :(

You know what guys, it wasn't until I heard the band name Prussian Blue that I really started to question some of the inaccuracies of the "Holocaust" myth.

[SFL Cat]

Lovely place Europe......if you're the right color.

Just out of curiosity...how do neo-Nazi types who claim the Holocaust is a myth explain away all the documented newsreel footage and photos taken at liberated concentration camps?

[JPhillips]

Usually our friends suggest songs that they'd like to hear us sing.

Will you play the one about how the Jews are using the Tri-Lateral Commission to control the world and dilute our sweet, sweet Aryan blood?

or Whipping Post.

[Franklinnoble]

Just something to think about.

Take the same story.

Make the kids black, and the songs pro-black.

Is anyone still offended?

[QuikSand]

Just something to think about.

Take the same story.

Make the kids black, and the songs pro-black.

Is anyone still offended?

What would be the parallels to their "holocaust myth" and "good eugenics" claptrap?

[sovereignstar]

That there
That's not me
I go
Where I please
I walk through walls
I float down the Liffey
I'm not here
This isn't happening
I'm not here
I'm not here

In a little while
I'll be gone
The moment's already passed
Yeah it's gone
And I'm not here
This isn't happening
I'm not here
I'm not here

Strobe lights and blown speakers
Fireworks and hurricanes
I'm not here
This isn't happening
I'm not here
I'm not here

[Ksyrup]

What would be the parallels to their "holocaust myth" and "good eugenics" claptrap?
Exactly my thought.

[Franklinnoble]

What would be the parallels to their "holocaust myth" and "good eugenics" claptrap?
I dunno. Maybe the belief that OJ and MJ were innocent (and the subsequent celebration of their acquittal). Or how about some rap songs about killing cops and white people?

[John Galt]

That there
That's not me
I go
Where I please
I walk through walls
I float down the Liffey
I'm not here
This isn't happening
I'm not here
I'm not here

In a little while
I'll be gone
The moment's already passed
Yeah it's gone
And I'm not here
This isn't happening
I'm not here
I'm not here

Strobe lights and blown speakers
Fireworks and hurricanes
I'm not here
This isn't happening
I'm not here
I'm not here

So Prussian Blue is a Radiohead cover band?

[sovereignstar]

Nope, that's just me wishing I was stuck on a deserted island. That's just the anti-social Sov speaking though.

[Ksyrup]

I dunno. Maybe the belief that OJ and MJ were innocent (and the subsequent celebration of their acquittal). Or how about some rap songs about killing cops and white people?
I don't think those rise to even remotely the same level. But that's just me.

[JPhillips]

Maybe the belief that OJ and MJ were innocent

Pretty weak against eugenics and holocaust deniers.

[SelzShoes]

Lovely place Europe......if you're the right color.

Just out of curiosity...how do neo-Nazi types who claim the Holocaust is a myth explain away all the documented newsreel footage and photos taken at liberated concentration camps?
There are actually differing levels of holocaust denials. THere is the out-and-out "it didn't happen," which even among neo-nazis is fairly rare these days. The most common form of denial relates to the number of death and the scope of the holocaust. Many 'deniers' argue that 6 million did not die and the slaughter was not part of a systematic government/military plan to elimiate the jews. There is also a branch of 'deniers' that focuses on what they see as 'overemphasis' on the jews, while ignoring the number of gypsies, poles, homosexuals, etc killed in the holocaust.

[CamEdwards]

is it wrong to wish that mom watches as her little aryan angels grow up to be hillbilly meth-whores?

[John Galt]

is it wrong to wish that mom watches as her little aryan angels grow up to be hillbilly meth-whores?

Magic Eight-Ball says . . .

Answer unclear - it's ok only if they also make interracial porn videos.

[CamEdwards]

Magic Eight-Ball says . . .

Answer unclear - it's ok only if they also make interracial porn videos.

and JohnGalt and I finally find something we agree on.

[Schmidty]

is it wrong to wish that mom watches as her little aryan angels grow up to be hillbilly meth-whores?

Yes, if you believe in karma.

[Pumpy Tudors]

That's a pretty optimistic attitude... but is more so than they (or rather their handlers and teachers) deserve. Make no mistake, the agenda here is an "anti" one. Sheep's clothing and all.
I was really speaking in general. I acknowledge that there could be such a thing as a "pro-white song" without it necessarily being "anti"-something, especially because I still don't really know what a "pro-white song" is.

[Schmidty]

I was really speaking in general. I acknowledge that there could be such a thing as a "pro-white song" without it necessarily being "anti"-something, especially because I still don't really know what a "pro-white song" is.

It would be the equivalent of early 90's "native-tongue" rap by groups like Arrested Development, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, etc.

I guess.

[Franklinnoble]

I don't think those rise to even remotely the same level. But that's just me.
“This will all be over in ‘99, so, niggas, give devils the crime; gonna be more devils dying”

“No Surrender”; Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Creepin on ah Come Up, 1994, Ruthless Records, Epic Records, Sony Music Entertainment, Sony, Japan.

“Like my niggas from South Central Los Angeles they found that they couldn’t handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad, with the Essays up, and nigga, it’s time to rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely”

“The Day the Niggaz Took Over”; Dr Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in 1993.

“Bust a Glock; devils get shot. . . . when God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me blast. . . . I’m killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each and everyday. . . . don’t bust until you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin. . . . Louis Farrakhan . . . Bloods and CRIPS, and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy”

“Enemy”; Ice Cube, Lethal Injection, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

[Easy Mac]

I'm sorry, where does that say the holocaust never occurred?

I don't think anyone is arguing they don't have the right to be fucked up little Aryan children, or that people shouldn't have the right to listen to it, but rather its more the "holy shit, little girls are singing shit they can't possibly understand and speaking out against some of the largest atrocities in modern human history", and expressing their disbelieve and displeasure that these ideas are being fed to children.

[Franklinnoble]

So, basically, here's what everyone thinks:

* Saying the jews exaggerated the holocaust is super mega bad. Any attempt to diminish the severity of that event is just sick and depraved and wrong. Never mind that just as many non-jews died at the hand of the Nazis, and nobody seems to mention that.
* Being a multi-platinum recording artist advocating the murder of white people is ok. Because the white man really is the devil anyway. Besides, able-bodied white heterosexual christian males are the only non-protected class in our new and improved politically correct society, and it's ALWAYS ok to bash and make fun of them. In fact, white people should accept this and just make fun of themselves.

Got it. Thanks. I'm not a white supremecist, and I think these girls are as misguided as anyone else, but the rest of you fuckers are hypocrites if you think this is any worse than the shit being spewed by rap artists on MTV 24 hours a day.

[Easy Mac]

I don't think anyone is saying that at all. All racism is misguided, but thanks for belittling everyone.

[Pumpy Tudors]

[first part of post snipped to save space]

Got it. Thanks. I'm not a white supremecist, and I think these girls are as misguided as anyone else, but the rest of you fuckers are hypocrites if you think this is any worse than the shit being spewed by rap artists on MTV 24 hours a day.
It appears that you're trying to make this about something that we're not even discussing here. There are evidently lots of "pro-white" bands who are making these songs. Hell, the article says that these kids are covering a lot of these songs, none of which I had ever even heard of before.

The point is that these are kids. Feel free to ask your "what if" questions, but you're turning this into a completely different subject, and I respectfully ask what you're trying to get out of us here.

[Suicane75]

but the rest of you fuckers are hypocrites if you think this is any worse than the shit being spewed by rap artists on MTV 24 hours a day.
It is worse. And why are you calling everyone fuckers?

[Buccaneer]

Look around. There are many groups of people in this world, from small tribes to large nationalities to significant ethnic groups, that wish and desire the elimination of other people and groups. If you start ranking them as one being better/worse than another, then you are truly missing the point.

[John Galt]

Look around. There are many groups of people in this world, from small tribes to large nationalities to significant ethnic groups, that wish and desire the elimination of other people and groups. If you start ranking them as one being better/worse than another, then you are truly missing the point.

I don't know about that. I think those that actually DO wipe out other people are worse than those that just TALK about it. I don't think that misses the point. And holocaust deniers seem to be a little worse to me than those that glorify cop-killing. I don't see the ability to differentiate levels of "evil" as exclusive from identifying "evil" in the first place.

[Buccaneer]

I would accept the point that doing evil is worse than talking evil, though I surmise that in both conditions, the heart, mind and soul are black. But it is hard for us to really know one's heart, thus we have to codify and quantify evil and its actions.

[TroyF]

One of the more frightening things I've ever seen. It isn't that I like black rap groups that suggest shooting cops or bashing white people. It's wrong and stupid. And I wish there would be more outrage about it.

The thing that makes this different is the "cuteness" factor of the girls. Two cute little blonde girls singing about the myth of an event that slaughtered millions of people. I can't even think of anything similar on the other side. I have trouble even thinking of what it could be. (maybe the little girl on The Cosby Show having a twin sister and singing about the joys of 9/11?)

As KSyrup said, this is like the evil Olsen Twins. From a psycholigical standpoint, I think we are conditioned to seeing certain things. We watch documentaries about the good old boy from the south who puts a white sheet on every now and then. We see rappers everyday tattooed up and cussing about "the system". Not sure about anyone else here, but those type of things don't even cause me to turn my head anymore. I'm disgusted by it, but I've grown used to it.

A couple of kids singing about this? It's frightening to me.

[Eilim]

There are evidently lots of "pro-white" bands who are making these songs. Hell, the article says that these kids are covering a lot of these songs, none of which I had ever even heard of before.


Actually, I've ran across many pro-white songs that weren't really anti-anything during my younger years (was into the Punk/Hardcore/Metal scene.) , the thing is most of the bands that wrote those songs also had quite a collection of the "anti" songs in their library. Most of the songs that did a decent job of hiding nastier side of their true.. erm.. beliefs, were made in hopes of getting airplay.

[Buccaneer]

Troy, you make it sound like you couldn't imagine such a thing or even knew that such attitudes existed. What makes this notable now is that we have a 24-hour media frenzy digging up and hyping everything possible - including long-held and well established attitudes, behaviors and events and parading them as "news". One might argue that bringing this to the attention of those that are "shocked" would cause justifiable outrage - but it also works the other way - bringing unexpected publicity and support from those that would not have know about such acts. Regardless of publicity or outrage or support or whatever, human conditions will generally not change (e.g, there will always be those promoting hate, genocide, racism, etc.). The best thing we can do is not to give them the added attention that they do not deserve; and promote love to those within our sphere.

[John Galt]

and promote love to those within our sphere.

Who are you again? ;)

[Buccaneer]

Who are you again? ;)
Ok, how about "respect'? Love is reserved for those we can touch. Respect only for those that feel like a glass pane on a desktop. ;)

[TroyF]

Troy, you make it sound like you couldn't imagine such a thing or even knew that such attitudes existed. What makes this notable now is that we have a 24-hour media frenzy digging up and hyping everything possible - including long-held and well established attitudes, behaviors and events and parading them as "news". One might argue that bringing this to the attention of those that are "shocked" would cause justifiable outrage - but it also works the other way - bringing unexpected publicity and support from those that would not have know about such acts. Regardless of publicity or outrage or support or whatever, human conditions will generally not change (e.g, there will always be those promoting hate, genocide, racism, etc.). The best thing we can do is not to give them the added attention that they do not deserve; and promote love to those within our sphere.


Of course I know attitudes like this exist. Nor is it a shock children are learning racist ways. It happens all over the world. We can see that with the children suicide bombers in Israel and the like.

But there IS a difference when you see it. I know that they eat dogs in certain parts of the world. I don't have an issue with it. They see them differently whan we do and that's fine. But actually seeing a dog killed and cooked? That'd make me sick to my stomach and I'd have a tough time eating at a table where someone was eating dog.

And lets face it. . . the racist movement has a hell of a lot better chance expanding with The Olsen Twins ranting than it does with the image of a skinhead or hillbilly with three teeth. The images of those kids do bother me. Maybe I'm wrong because they do or because I'm so desensitized to a lot of the other stuff. . . but just thinking of those girls singing a song about white power makes me squemish.

[Suicane75]

I had dog once, the the Terrier was good but the Dalmation was a little spotty.

[Ksyrup]

So, basically, here's what everyone thinks:

* Saying the jews exaggerated the holocaust is super mega bad. Any attempt to diminish the severity of that event is just sick and depraved and wrong. Never mind that just as many non-jews died at the hand of the Nazis, and nobody seems to mention that.
* Being a multi-platinum recording artist advocating the murder of white people is ok. Because the white man really is the devil anyway. Besides, able-bodied white heterosexual christian males are the only non-protected class in our new and improved politically correct society, and it's ALWAYS ok to bash and make fun of them. In fact, white people should accept this and just make fun of themselves.
Please show me in the interview of those girls where they say that the "inaccuracies of the Holocaust myth" are the exaggerations of the Jews. They don't. They could very well be saying that the Holocaust didn't occur, or they might not be referring to the Jews specifically, in that comment.

As for the rap comparison, for the most part, rappers are playing a part; they're acting. They're no more advocating for the deaths of white people than Slayer is advocating for the devil, or Stephen King is advocating for horrific supernatural events. These people, on the other hand, are preaching a way of life. And they're using 12 year olds to do it. Rappers are entertainers; these people are using entertainment as a means to facilitate a race war. Big difference. At the end of the day, Dr. Dre goes home to his multi-million dollar mansion and kisses just as much white ass as h needs to keep his lifestyle up. These people go home and live the life they're preaching in their fucked up lyrics.

[Schmidty]

I had dog once, the the Terrier was good but the Dalmation was a little spotty.

I had a preposition once. He liked to to repeat himself self on occasion.Sometimes he never showed.

[Buccaneer]

Using fucked up lyrics (propaganda) to facilitate a race war (or any kind of war between different groups of people)? Aren't there countless examples of exactly that kind of thing throughout history - for good and bad? Those in the know can likely discern but it's the masses that such messages are directed towards and influenced by.

[Wolfpack]

I have trouble even thinking of what it could be. (maybe the little girl on The Cosby Show having a twin sister and singing about the joys of 9/11?)

As I recall, wasn't there some really, really, really left-wing Marxist rapper girl out of Oakland who had released an album which featured a cover of her hitting a detonator with joy and blowing up the World Trade Center? Shortly after 9/11 I think those albums got yanked off the shelves, if I remember right.

[Suicane75]

As I recall, wasn't there some really, really, really left-wing Marxist rapper girl out of Oakland who had released an album which featured a cover of her hitting a detonator with joy and blowing up the World Trade Center? Shortly after 9/11 I think those albums got yanked off the shelves, if I remember right.
Debbie Gibson?

[QuikSand]

So, basically, here's what everyone thinks:

* Saying the jews exaggerated the holocaust is super mega bad. Any attempt to diminish the severity of that event is just sick and depraved and wrong. Never mind that just as many non-jews died at the hand of the Nazis, and nobody seems to mention that.
* Being a multi-platinum recording artist advocating the murder of white people is ok. Because the white man really is the devil anyway. Besides, able-bodied white heterosexual christian males are the only non-protected class in our new and improved politically correct society, and it's ALWAYS ok to bash and make fun of them. In fact, white people should accept this and just make fun of themselves.

Got it. Thanks. I'm not a white supremecist, and I think these girls are as misguided as anyone else, but the rest of you fuckers are hypocrites if you think this is any worse than the shit being spewed by rap artists on MTV 24 hours a day.

Rather than give this what it deserves, I'll try to play nice.

If your argument is that hate is bad, and that racially motivated hate is arguably even worse... I'm with you.

If your argument is that anyone spewing racial hatred is up to no good, then I'm with you too.

If your argument is that some celebrity blacks get away with racial hate speech because we, as a society, are probably gunshy on racial issues, I think there's something to that -- it's at the very least a dabatable point.

Now, if you realy are seething underneath, and are carrying around a real burn about this "last non-porotected class" stuff, that's probably the stop where I have to get off.

As for your comments about the holocaust, I fail to see what you might think you'll gain my raising that argument. Honestly. There are few people motivated to make such an argument (especially when it's completely off point, as it clearly is here) and candidly, not many of them have particularly honorable intentions.

And to continue with the candor, I frequently have my own doubts about anyone whose rhetoric obliges him to start off an argument with "I'm not a racist, but..." or the moral equivalent. I find those who talk themselves into such spots frequently belong there.


I hope your actual intentions were addressed by my earlier points, and not my later ones.

[Tara]

Got it. Thanks. I'm not a white supremecist, and I think these girls are as misguided as anyone else, but the rest of you fuckers are hypocrites if you think this is any worse than the shit being spewed by rap artists on MTV 24 hours a day.

Come on, You miss the point.

Frist. They are kids. Make kids sing pro-white stuff is completely crazy.

Second. I don't see the point when you compare Rap with this thing. I can say that most of nowdays MTV rap music is shit just make to make money but that's not rap. If you criticize ICE CUBE and DRE or other real rappers and put them at the same level of this two kids and the things around them you are completely crazy. Real Rap music come from a totally different social contest that's quite different from Prussian country.

Third. If i were a black man I'll be really fucked up about the way the "History" treated me. History (Africa colonization and exploitation) was made by white people. Let you solve the equation.

BTW at this I make your same error. I ve come out from the thread point. The thing is that you cannot make kids do this things. Even if they are black kids (when you talk about rap we are talkin abou adults...). They should have the possibilities to have theyr own ideas. Parents must be arrested.

[korme]

[Chorus:]
Tell me it's real
The feeling that we feel
Tell me that it's real
Don't let love come
Just to pass us by
Try, is all we have to do
It's up to me and you
To make this special love
Last forever more

Baby you told me that you love me and you'd never leave my side
Through the bitter end through the thick and thin
You promised me baby that you wasn't going anywhere, yes you did

Baby keep it real let me know just how you feel

[Repeat Chorus]

I can't explain the way you make me feel
Everytime you tell me that you love me
And you know you did so many times
Just when i thought that love could never be a part of me
That's when you came along
And showed me happiness
Baby you are the best
I think you're different from the rest
I really love you

[Repeat Chorus]

Tell me it's real
This feeling that I fell
Tell me it's real
For your love
I will do anything </pre>

[Suicane75]

[Chorus:]
Tell me it's real
The feeling that we feel
Tell me that it's real
Don't let love come
Just to pass us by
Try, is all we have to do
It's up to me and you
To make this special love
Last forever more

Baby you told me that you love me and you'd never leave my side
Through the bitter end through the thick and thin
You promised me baby that you wasn't going anywhere, yes you did

Baby keep it real let me know just how you feel

[Repeat Chorus]

I can't explain the way you make me feel
Everytime you tell me that you love me
And you know you did so many times
Just when i thought that love could never be a part of me
That's when you came along
And showed me happiness
Baby you are the best
I think you're different from the rest
I really love you

[Repeat Chorus]

Tell me it's real
This feeling that I fell
Tell me it's real
For your love
I will do anything
Karaoke pls, kthnx.

[haji1]

The thing is that you cannot make kids do this things. Even if they are black kids (when you talk about rap we are talkin abou adults...). They should have the possibilities to have theyr own ideas. Parents must be arrested.

You can make you kids do anything. I do it all the time with mine. Their parents have a belief system that they have passed on to their children. The mother is proud because her children are using their talents to help promote that belief and make some money off of it. How is this any different then any thousands of other parents in this country.

Personally I got sick to my stomach when I read this, but really how is having these two girls sing any different then the Johnson trio in my church going around to local fairs and singing about Christ? Parents have their children do this all the time.

[Tara]

You can make you kids do anything. I do it all the time with mine. Their parents have a belief system that they have passed on to their children. The mother is proud because her children are using their talents to help promote that belief and make some money off of it. How is this any different then any thousands of other parents in this country.

Personally I got sick to my stomach when I read this, but really how is having these two girls sing any different then the Johnson trio in my church going around to local fairs and singing about Christ? Parents have their children do this all the time.

You right. Nothing to say.

[Franklinnoble]

It is worse. And why are you calling everyone fuckers?
Eh. Bug up my ass yesterday. Sorry about that.

I still think there's a double-standard at work here. But, whatever. I get pissed off at these things pretty easily. For example, my new company offers a standard new employee referall bonus of $2,000. But they just implemented a new "diversity" policy that says if you refer a woman, african american, or other "underrepresented" minority, you get $6,000.

Now, I really like my new company. But I really dislike this policy. Why am I worth more to the company if I have darker pigmentation or a vagina?

I'm gonna regret the last part of that question...

[sovereignstar]

Why am I worth more to the company if I have darker pigmentation or a vagina?
http://www.thespiannet.com/actresses/H/henstridge_natasha/s2.jpg
Don't sweat it. You are worth more to me if you have a penis.

[Chas in Cinti]

Rather than give this what it deserves, I'll try to play nice.

If your argument is that hate is bad, and that racially motivated hate is arguably even worse... I'm with you.

If your argument is that anyone spewing racial hatred is up to no good, then I'm with you too.

If your argument is that some celebrity blacks get away with racial hate speech because we, as a society, are probably gunshy on racial issues, I think there's something to that -- it's at the very least a dabatable point.

Now, if you realy are seething underneath, and are carrying around a real burn about this "last non-porotected class" stuff, that's probably the stop where I have to get off.

As for your comments about the holocaust, I fail to see what you might think you'll gain my raising that argument. Honestly. There are few people motivated to make such an argument (especially when it's completely off point, as it clearly is here) and candidly, not many of them have particularly honorable intentions.

And to continue with the candor, I frequently have my own doubts about anyone whose rhetoric obliges him to start off an argument with "I'm not a racist, but..." or the moral equivalent. I find those who talk themselves into such spots frequently belong there.


I hope your actual intentions were addressed by my earlier points, and not my later ones.

As always your patience, and clarity of thinking in the face of ignorance astounds me... Very well placed points and extremely carefully worded.

Now get back to the Ranch... I need an update...

-Chas